=== acheronuk is now known as RikMills [10:40] Hello. I experimented 19.10 with VirtualBox 6.0, under both Linux and Windows. On Linux (Lubuntu 18.04), the installation crashes so severely, that it takes the whole VirtualBox with it. [10:41] On Windows then, the installation goes through well. On both sides, I defined 4GB memory, 40 GB disk and 4 processors. [10:42] ktt___: at wich point did it crash, and was it the 19.10 beta iso you tested? [10:42] Yes, 19.10 beta, downloaded today. [10:42] allright [10:42] It was on "Filling up filesystems", on 18%. [10:43] ktt___: did you compare with a live session, instead of the install? [10:43] On the Linux side, with VirtualBox 5.0, the virtual machine just crashed. But when I installed VirtualBox 6.0, it took the whole machine with it for about 5 minutes. [10:43] The live session works just about ok. [10:44] !info virtualbox bionic [10:44] virtualbox (source: virtualbox): x86 virtualization solution - base binaries. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 5.2.32-dfsg-0~ubuntu18.04.1 (bionic), package size 16828 kB, installed size 77924 kB [10:44] ktt___: did you install vbox from a ppa? [10:44] The 5.0 was from Lubuntu 18.04 ppa, and the 6.0 was from Virtualbox own ppa [10:45] virtualbox-6.0/unknown,now 6.0.12-133076~Ubuntu~bionic amd64 [installed] [10:45] ktt___: we cannot support packages from external ppa, and we highly reccomend using package versions specific for your ubuntu version [10:45] Yes, with the 5.0 version, from the 18.04 repo, it crashed also. [10:45] ktt___: could you check if you get crashes from the 18.04 vbox? [10:45] ok tnx [10:45] yes [10:46] On the 18.04 repo version, the crash was "better" as it did not freeze the host machine. [10:46] ktt___: how about you reach the live session first, then open a bunch of debug methods, like: journalctl -f [10:46] On which version, 6.0 or 5.0? [10:46] Virtualbox I mean [10:47] ktt___: try also starting vbox from a terminal in lubuntu, maybe we can catch useful errors [10:47] That is what I have done [10:47] ktt___: we can only support you with the official package versions [10:47] 5.2 for bionic [10:47] there's #vbox also which is virtualbox's support channel [10:47] OK, I'll get back to the official PPA version [10:48] This is more like 19.10 issue, as I have used the VirtualBox (18.04 PPA version) happily for many other purposes, including runnign Windows 10. [10:48] ktt___: lets find out on the journal logs, maybe its soemwhere in ubiquity [10:49] the more you can pastebin us, the better volunteers can take a look/debug [10:49] i'm using virtualbox's upstream packages with a 19.10 beta just fine, but as lotuspsychje pointed out, that's off topic here. [10:49] Yes. Just a while, I'll get back to 18.04 ppa version. [10:50] ktt___: your harddisk doesnt have IO warnings on the physical install for example? [10:50] I'm not able to make physical install on the 19.10 beta [10:51] ktt___: can you also give us info about what kind of partitioning you chosen? [10:51] The default i.e. everything to installation [10:51] ktt___: no what i mean is, your 18.04 physical install was lubuntu right? your hd isnt failing or so? [10:52] when you say "18.04 ppa version", do you mean the version of virtualbox that is part of ubuntu (universe repository, so not a PPA)? [10:52] just brainstorming what could freeze your setup [10:52] My computer is having 18.04 physical install yes. There are no HDD or other HW related problems. [10:52] ok tnx [10:53] By the "18.04 ppa" version I mean, that I'm just using the Ubuntu normal repository, no any external PPA [10:53] sorry aobut that [10:54] no problem, i'm just making sure i understand your setup [10:55] a PPA is really just what's hosted on ppa.launchpad.net, other repositories we call either 'ubuntu archives' (the official ones) and 'third party repositories' [10:58] i rmemeber now i also had some issues installing the 19.10 amd64 desktop beta on vbox 6.0 running on ubuntu 18.04 amd64 (5.0 HWE kernel) initially. what i did to make it work was to enable 3d acceleration and increase vram above 64 MB [10:58] Now I have VirtualBox 5.2.32_Ubuntu r132056 installed. The virtual machine has again 4GB RAM, 40 GB HDD, 4 processors, and CD-ROM was mounted as Lubuntu 19.04beta (eoan-desktop-amd64.iso, md5sum 22a86982e86962d1907e9f785172e6a7, downloaded today) [11:00] hmm this mad5sum matches neither yesterdays' nor todays' daily-live [11:01] i'm looking at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ and more specifically at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20191007/MD5SUMS and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20191006/MD5SUMS [11:01] It was downloaded from here: https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ --> 19.10 Eoan Ermine Dailies, Desktop 64-bit [11:01] oh *l*ubuntu [11:02] oh.. [11:02] Yes [11:02] I'm using L ubuntu as I still hate the new Gnome [11:02] ktt___: you should have mentioned it was a lubuntu daily [11:02] Yes I mentioned :) on the first coment [11:02] sorry not in this channel, I was first on the #ubuntu channel..... [11:02] from there I was instructed to come here [11:03] ktt___: you say there you were 'on linux lubuntu 18.04'? [11:03] Yes. The host computer is Linux Lubuntu 18.04. [11:03] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20191006/MD5SUMS matches your MD5SUM [11:04] have you also tried the beta? [11:04] since the dailies are untested snapshots [11:05] beta downloads as found on https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/19.10/beta/lubuntu-19.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/19.10/beta/MD5SUMS [11:06] Ok, not yet. On the Download page, it was mentioned, that dailies are recommended. :) I'll check the beta. [11:06] Do you need some information from the virtual machine instance? [11:06] oh right, it says "recommended" [11:07] ...for the dailies [11:07] i wonder why they say that? [11:08] the only situation i can think of is that they tested the beta and found it to be broken [11:08] right [11:13] I'll try to configure this live image instance so, that it redirects its syslog to my host computer, so we would get the syslog from the moment of crash. [11:13] ktt___: use journalctl -f instead [11:14] No use, as when the installation crashes, the VirtualBox window disappears. [11:14] or maybe start ubiquity setup from a terminal aswell [11:15] Ok now the syslog streams to my host computer [11:17] i'm just installing using the same image you used (matching md5), using upstream virtualbox Version 6.0.12 r133076, host is ubuntu 18.04.3 (fully patched) with kernel 5.0 (from LTSE). guest specifications are: BIOS installation, 1 GB RAM, 10 GB storage (dynamic allocation), everything else is default. [11:17] it was also very busy at the 18% step but got past it [11:17] tnx for testing tomreyn [11:17] so the 18% step is when the storage buffer runs full and the host actually gets to shell it out to disk, i guess. [11:17] namely much I/O is going there. [11:18] Ok, now I have enabled openssh server on the live CD, so I get the journalctl output to host machine also [11:18] What else would you want to be streamed? [11:19] as long as you catch the host and guest kernel and vbox logs that's probably good enough [11:19] there's probably also an installer log at /var/log/installer on the guests' installer target device [11:20] but if the VM process crashes this is probably not so relevant. [11:21] did you install in bios or uefi mode? [11:22] ktt___: ^ [11:24] Bios most likely [11:24] I'm just selecting default settings from Virtualbox [11:24] yes bios would be default [11:25] i'll retry with 4 cpu cores and 4 gb ram as you did [11:26] Now the installation started. It reached 18%, on the logs it says, that it mounted sda with EXT4-fs. [11:26] My Lubuntu host computer is now frozen. [11:27] And now the virtual machine crashed and died. [11:28] oh even the host freezes, i hadn't seen this mentioned. then #lubuntu or #ubuntu would actually be the right place to discuss this part (but i also dont want to chase you around more) [11:29] The last log lines from the Virtual client are: [11:29] Oct 7 11:25:40 lubuntu kernel: [ 1768.943132] sda: [11:29] lubuntu kernel: [ 1770.010583] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) [11:29] thread 1610 of process 1549. [11:30] After the "Demoted 3 threads" the virtual client froze, it just hogged all resources. The host killed the process. [11:30] good job, host. [11:30] I need to go for lunch now.... I'll get back here after 30 minutes or so. [11:31] so it seems the issue you're seeing is really with virtualbox. [11:31] my second installation worked fine, too. [11:31] And specificly, on Linux virtualbox. On WIndows host, it worked. [11:31] Hmm, I could test on another host, also having Lubuntu 18.04. I'll check that after lunch. [11:35] good plan, could be buggy firmware bug, defective hardware etc. [11:36] s/bug,/,/ [12:05] Now the installation is proceeding on another Lubuntu 18.04 host. It is running the same VIrtualbox version as the other one. Installation went past 18% happily. [12:07] This kind of randomness is annoying. :( [12:09] And the installation went through fine. [12:27] ktt___: do a firmware (bios/uefi) upgrade on the system where it fails, might fix it if it's an issue with the VT-x / AMD-V implementation there. [14:11] I'm back with the upgrade issues. Did a partial upgrade to 19.10. Now the system refuses to run. I have a Live CD running. Where the keyboard didn't permit me to go into shell in the broken system, it works in the Live CD. The question is "Can I recover and repair the system with my Live CD?" [14:12] I see that TJ- and tomreyn are there [14:12] from yesterday [14:14] TJ-: Hi, how are you doing ... and can you have patience with me today? [14:14] tomreyn: Same question for you [14:19] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure [14:32] on eon upgrade I'm getting http://dpaste.com/33PHJ6N [14:32] is this a known issue? [14:34] it's probably just what it suggests it could be, a mirror sync in progress. [14:35] you could try a different mirror server in the meantime. [14:35] ok thanks will try later then [14:36] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors [18:28] When is a good time to upgrade to 19.10 to minimize the possibility of a failure? Im a keen to upgrade, but not if it breaks my system :) [18:29] Aavar, after it releases? Depends on your threshold. [18:29] lordcirth_: Yeah, but should I wait longer that that? [18:30] I'm on 19.04 now. [18:30] A week or two, maybe. [18:30] lordcirth_: ok, thanx :) [19:52] Hi, will *ubuntu 19.10 have support for Zen2? [19:52] specifically the 3700U if that makes any difference [19:52] denza252, Zen2 has been supported at least since kernel 4.21 [19:52] Or 5.0, as it was released as. [19:53] ah ok, and the RX Vega 10? [19:53] I assume that too is supported but i just want to make sure [19:55] It looks like support for that came out a while ago. [19:57] Alrighty, thank you. I am looking forward to putting Kubuntu 19.10 on my shiny new lappy. Good luck with the release and such! [20:07] denza252: you can try the beta or a daily already, if you already have the hardware [20:08] it's en route, i think it'll come a day or two before the release and such [20:09] ah nice, have a nice early christmas eve (or whatever similar event you may have there) ;) [20:10] Thank you