[05:17] morning all [05:20] Morning jibel [05:27] audio is getting worse on eoan. The list of output channels is empty and I've no sound at all this morning [05:28] and it's populated after a restart of gnome-shell [05:29] but still no sound [05:29] time for a reboot I suppose [06:14] good morning [06:30] Morning didrocks [06:38] hey duflu [06:48] good morning desktoppers [06:48] happy Monday! [06:51] Morning o/ [06:53] hey Wimpress === pieq__ is now known as pieq [07:14] happy monday oSoMoN, Wimpress [07:16] salut didrocks [07:19] morning jibel duflu didrocks oSoMoN and Wimpress [07:19] hey marcustomlinson [07:20] hey hey marcustomlinson [07:29] gooood morning desktopers [07:29] salut seb128 [07:30] lut oSoMoN, en forme ? passé un bon w.e? [07:32] I caught a big bad cold that knocked me out on Saturday, but I used it as an excuse to sleep a lot more than usual and not do much, so all in all it wasn't a bad week-end :) [07:32] and I'm feeling much better already [07:32] ah, good to read that you feel better! [07:32] oSoMoN: that was just an excuse to be left alone I'm sure ;) [07:32] sleeep is the best :) [07:32] oSoMoN: sick on week-end? Not good planning :p [07:33] * marcustomlinson hearts sleeping [07:33] marcustomlinson, if only… (left alone) [07:40] morning [07:41] hey Trevinho [07:41] good morning Trevinho [07:43] buongiorno Trevinho === acheronuk is now known as RikMills [07:46] Morning oSoMoN, Wimpress, marcustomlinson, seb128 and Trevinho [07:47] hey duflu Trevinho, how are you? [07:47] seb128, strangely tired but OK. At least it's no longer jet lag or a virus. How are you? [07:47] hey everyhone [07:47] seb128: I'm good, thanks [07:48] hey duflu [07:48] duflu, I'm good, had a nice relaxing w.e [07:54] duflu: Did the Canoniflu get you too? [07:54] Wimpress, nah it started over a week after the sprint [07:55] Oh, actually [07:55] No it would have been a bit under [07:55] 🤷 === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski [07:58] Ah, OK. Glad you're on the mend. [07:58] hey Wimpress, had a good w.e? [07:59] seb128: Yes, thanks. Spent most of it playing Lego Worlds with my daughter 🙂 [07:59] Yourself? [07:59] Wimpress, nice, what did you build? we had a relaxing family w.e as well, it was great :) [08:00] We flattened an island and built Ninjago City 😁 [08:00] nice! [08:01] morning all [08:01] o/ [08:02] hey [08:02] good morning willcooke, Laney [08:03] hey willcooke, Laney, how are you today? had a good w.e? [08:03] Putting Ikea stuff together, so..... [08:04] relaxing activity for rainy days :p [08:04] :) [08:04] hey willcooke! Wimpress to Lego worlds, will to IKEA, same world :) [08:04] XDD [08:04] hey oSoMoN seb128 willcooke [08:04] given the choice, I'll take the Lego [08:04] yeah was good, went to a fancy restaurant on saturday [08:04] morning Laney [08:04] and then yesterday we did apple picking up at the allotment [08:05] yo ho ho didrocks [08:05] oSoMoN: hum, I'm not sure, I like both :) [08:05] you well? [08:05] we were in France, nice relaxing w.e there yes [08:05] I'm fine, thanks, but I didn't go to any fancy or unfancy restaurants :) [08:05] and road back was fine yesterday, just lot of rain [08:05] was the restaurant fancy enough to have snails? ;) [08:05] Laney: compote time! [08:06] https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPacFQRchjwmwLUDzUqfnuXMaW3MSAsfwKbdKC9VxWBm-neQGmvdOlEU-hw8n2Pdw/photo/AF1QipOTINp-XMmXDdiUmjpHbQ1pIodt4EV1Oe2NMgKO?key=LWlIVk5CRnJzNnR3WEZUb0gtZFMxaEpzUmRub3Z3 [08:07] what's this blue sky? that's not your place :p [08:07] NO SNAILS [08:07] :( [08:07] wouldn't have been surprised to see them actually [08:07] it was 'world tapas' [08:07] That looks like an old tree. very nice [08:07] = weird stuff, definitely includes snails ;-) [08:07] :) [08:08] yeah it's very old and gnarly [08:08] I was trying to get those great looking apples poking out of the top [08:08] looks really great [08:08] big apples too. [08:08] too scary standing all the way up there [08:08] need some kind of grabber [08:09] 7 mushroom crates just of the ones we already have off in that picture [08:09] apple pressing day is on october 20th, going to get J U I C EEEEEEEEEEE [08:09] Morning willcooke and Laney [08:09] afternoon duflu [08:10] peace duflu [08:10] Laney: Apple pressing? You making cider? [08:10] Wimpress: not sure! [08:10] someone just turns up with the machine [08:10] you bring your apples and containers, then what happens later is up to you [08:10] never tried cider, could be fun ? [08:11] Mobile apple pressing service! TIL [08:12] think it's one of the allotment holders [08:12] or someone's mate [08:12] I'd like to see photos of that. [08:12] nod [08:12] It has been a recent topic in the pub. [08:18] Hey willcooke, assembling ikea stuff, ditto :) [08:18] :)) [08:18] Morning Laney [08:18] * Laney fist bumps marcustomlinson [08:32] seb128: I have a favour to ask. [08:32] * seb128 hides [08:32] Found a bug in libpeas, specifically the Python 2 loader, over the weekend. [08:33] Have analysis, test case and a fix. [08:33] ah, nice [08:34] As the last person to have touched libpeas, I wonder if you'd take a look and upload the debdiff we've prepared? [08:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpeas/+bug/1846890 [08:34] Launchpad bug 1846890 in libpeas (Ubuntu) "Pluma: unable to enable plugins External tools, Python Console, Quick Open, Snippets) because of missed /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpeas-1.0/loaders/libpythonloader.so" [Medium,Confirmed] [08:34] Will buy beer 😉 [08:35] Wimpress, any reason you didn't mp that on gitlab/upstream? [08:35] Laney: I confirm that jibel's patch fixes the ubiquity build (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions/+sourcepub/10594743/+listing-archive-extra): https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Zh4hBvRzYY/. As I don't have merge right, do you mind sponsoring it? [08:36] I'm happy to do a package upload but I would prefer to have it upstreamed so we are good citizen and don't carry a delta for long [08:37] We are working with upstream. [08:37] didrocks: ok, in a bit, trying to make some upstream releases atm for the first time === pieq_ is now known as pieq [08:37] Wimpress, I don't see it on https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libpeas/merge_requests [08:37] The distro patch is the simplest fix. But it is like upstream do intend to change the loader name. [08:38] Not submitted yet. Will do this week. [08:38] Laney: sure, thx :) [08:38] didrocks: what about checking for the file that we're patching existing rather than listing the arches? [08:38] Wimpress, ok, let me know when you do so I can update the patch reference [08:38] just from a quick look, back to releases now ;-) [08:38] seb128: Sure thing. [08:38] Wimpress, if we don't do that then a year later we don't remember context and we have delta we don't know why they are there [08:38] thx [08:43] Laney: that would be a question for jibel, I think the arch is enough for now, even if I agree that testing the file would be better [08:49] it's definitely enough, just a review to get to a better place [09:06] Laney, you want a MP? [09:08] yes pls [09:09] ifneq (,$(wildcard path/to/file)) is the construction to do something if a file exists [09:09] duflu, can you send me a link to your lightning talk slide deck? I cant seem to find it (updating release notes and want to call out a few specifics) [09:10] willcooke, there's no public link yet. Is that what you're after? [09:10] duflu, private is fine, I just want to pick a few specific bugs [09:10] *fixes [09:10] Yeah Ok [09:12] * duflu waits for login.ubuntu.com to respond [09:12] duflu, ditto [09:12] willcooke, anyway it's in the desktop shared folder [09:12] thanks duflu [09:13] Hmm timeout [09:13] same [09:14] I've gott it opened, ta [09:16] Laney, ok i'll change it to test the file instead [09:16] ♥ [09:17] gnome .1 day! [09:19] indeed [09:19] Laney, I started on some, check the queue (or vcs) before starting on some updates, I will state on #debian-gnome or here when I start new ones [09:20] okey [09:20] will start with glib [09:20] nice [09:20] I'm doing the n-m update atm, will look at merging gtk next [09:24] just wiped some olbas oil in my eye [09:24] deary me [09:25] seb128: I'll get the upstream libpeas MR filed later today. [09:26] Wimpress, thx, I uploaded that debdiff meanwhile (and added some references to the .patch, at least a description and the ubuntu bug number) [09:27] Wimpress, once you mp it I will apply to Debian with the proper references and sync back to Ubuntu later [09:36] seb128: Nice one. Thanks. [09:58] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpeas/+bug/1846890/comments/8 [09:58] Launchpad bug 1846890 in libpeas (Ubuntu) "Pluma: unable to enable plugins External tools, Python Console, Quick Open, Snippets) because of missed /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpeas-1.0/loaders/libpythonloader.so" [Medium,Fix committed] [11:18] Wimpress, thx [11:20] Laney, could you look at the upstream comment on https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libgdata/issues/37 , I could use your input on this one [11:20] GNOME issue 37 in libgdata "Installed tests failing (without internet access?)" [2. Needs Information, Opened] [11:22] that's annoying isn't it [11:22] you could do (2) in the debian/tests script probably [11:22] like, resolve squid.internal and then re-export it with the IP address [11:24] or maybe it could be that the test works if you unset the proxies [11:24] if it doesn't actually use them in reality and that fake HTTP server covers everything? [11:24] oh maybe, let me try that [11:24] thx! [11:42] jibel: can haz MP? [12:12] Laney, yeah, testing a build [12:18] Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~jibel/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/373735 [12:18] and test build: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions/+packages?field.name_filter=ubiquity&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=eoan [12:33] kenvandine, can/should we put this on our roadmap? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/how-to-expose-desktop-files-created-by-snaps-to-the-de/2853/12 [12:41] Laney, did you figure out how translations of ubiquity work? [13:03] tkamppeter, my old but reliable HP D5560 just died, what model would you recommend? It's for personal use, i'd like to stay with HP, it works pretty well on Ubuntu. [13:11] jibel: no, no idea, now seb128 is here he might know though [13:11] jibel, Laney, what's the actual question? I didn't see one in the backlog [13:12] seb128, you're excused, it's a backlog from Friday [13:12] ah [13:12] let me check irclog :) [13:12] seb128, there are new strings to translate in ubiquity for zfs [13:12] seb128, and we were wondering how translation work for ubiquity [13:13] is it just extracted when the package is uploaded? but then since they ship with the packge how are they reimported? [13:13] jibel, is the string in ubiquity itself or in one of the bundled d-i components? [13:13] ubiquity itself [13:18] let me check [13:20] I can't see it on launchpad now [13:20] so presumably I do have to re-generate the template somehow [13:22] right [13:22] ubiquity does bundle an export so translations need to be exported and included in the source [13:22] but at this point that one hasn't been imported, I'm checking to see why [13:23] oSoMoN: probably [13:25] kenvandine, do you want me to create a trello card, or will you handle it? [13:25] oSoMoN: can you please create the card and I'll assign it? [13:25] sure thingr [13:25] -r [13:26] oSoMoN: thx [13:27] kenvandine, https://trello.com/c/Et88ApUA/366-snapd-userd-api-to-expose-desktop-files-created-by-snaps-to-the-de [13:27] oSoMoN: great [13:34] jibel, Laney, k, took me a while to find that back, but I think you need to run 'debconf-updatepo' in the sourcedir and commit/upload that, I just tried and it updates the debian/real-po/*.po to correctly include the ZFS string, launchpad should import that then on package upload [13:34] ah, great, thanks! [13:34] np [13:36] Jibel, most modern HP's would do, make sure it is a network printer capable to print from cell phones and it prints driverless. I use the HP OfficeJet Pro 8730, works great, has separate cartridges and the cartridges have last long for me. [13:48] tkamppeter, thanks, the 8730 seems too much for my needs. i'll search their list of products with the criteria you mentioned [13:51] good morning desktopers :) [13:52] \o [13:52] morning hellsworth [13:52] hello hellsworth [13:53] jibel, i'd like to help out on the iso testing effort that you emailed aobut last week. are the latest isos just here? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/406/builds [13:53] i feel like i can find some time every day to do some release testing [13:54] hellsworth: o/ [13:54] \o [13:54] hellsworth, great, thnaks. latest daily builds are published here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/404/builds [13:54] direct dl link http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/pending/ [13:54] jibel, thanks! how often are there new isos? [13:55] daily isos are built ... daily ;) [13:55] good morning hellsworth [13:55] daily at the same time? [13:55] hi :) [13:55] hellsworth, yes, around 8AM UTC [13:56] hellsworth, there is actually only one image for ubuntu desktop [13:56] is there a build number or some unique ID for a build to identify if there's a problem? [13:56] oh i see the version columin in the builds link [13:56] hey hey hellsworth [13:57] hellsworth, it is the id on the tracker. Otherwise it's on the iso itself on /.disk/info [13:57] if you download from the iso tracker then the ID is in there [13:57] perfect thanks [13:57] perfect [13:58] not actually sure what happens to results posted on the daily milestone when a new image gets published [13:58] Laney, is the daily milestone you speak of the test cases? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/406/builds/200088/testcases [13:59] like if you start from that link jibel posted [13:59] there's a version column there [13:59] it'll be updated when there are new images created tomorrow [13:59] there is a report with all the bugs reported and attached to test results for a release [14:01] probably I am suggesting to use rls-ee-incoming as well as the iso tracker [14:02] does the http link found at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/406/builds/200088/downloads work for anyone? [14:02] not all the bugs are worth tagging [14:02] yes of course [14:02] i'm trying to suggest a good process, no need to push back on it [14:02] hellsworth, 404 [14:02] hellsworth, use 404 not 406 sa build number [14:03] Laney, i'm not trying to push back :) just trying to gather the process so thanks [14:03] not you hellsworth [14:03] ah ok [14:03] hellsworth, 406 was the beta, it's out and the candidate images are gone [14:03] hellsworth, jibel! hahah! I meant 404 error, not found :) Funny that 404 is the right version [14:04] yeah 404 vs 406 is a bit cryptic [14:04] Laney, sorry, not pushing back. I agree bugs reported on the tracker should then be tagged -incoming when they are important enough for the releaes [14:05] Laney,my comment was that there is a lot of noise reported on the tracker [14:05] okey [14:05] so I do review the bugs reported and tag them when appropriate [14:05] like that report isn't a super great thing for everyone to be visiting [14:05] but the rls process kind of is better quality, so people from this team could use that as well [14:06] this way not everyone has to go to the tracker to figure out what has ben reported and should be fixed for the release [14:06] agreed [14:09] ok now that i have all the things i'll make sure to do some testing every day and i'll be focusing on the test cases in a qemu vm [14:09] so thanks yall [14:10] hey hellsworth, how are you? did you have a good w.e? [14:10] i sure did! [14:11] we didn't do anything on our todo list and instead went to the zoo and made zucchini bread. it was lovely :) [14:11] how bout you seb128 [14:12] I'm find, had a nice and relaxing w.e even if the weather was grey, cold & rainy :) [14:12] and today is GNOME .1 tarballs day, which is keeping me busy :) [14:16] ooh grey, cold and rainy sounds nice. we're expecting snow this thurday - i am excite :) [14:16] GNOME .1 tarballs day - what is this? tell me more please. [14:19] oh my. all these people quitting... was it something i said? lol [14:25] IRC split :) [14:25] the matrix disconnected [14:25] or that in that case [14:26] well, there are a lot of [m] there [14:26] hellsworth, https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointThirtyfive/ [14:26] and all of their hostnames say gateway/shell/matrix.org ;) [14:26] ^ [14:26] well it's a sort of split, the matrix server went away :) [14:26] Trevinho, I've found a bug in the dock and I'm logging a bug for it now, but before I restart my session etc, do you want some extra debugging? [14:27] ah that makes sense. matrix is giving me troubles this morn too [14:27] willcooke: what kind of bug? [14:27] Trevinho, dragging icons on the dock as stopped working [14:28] willcooke: mh, ok.. well the journalctl should hopefully include the stacktrace for that [14:28] willcooke: check if there's presency of @ubuntu.com over there [14:28] seb128, thanks for the link [14:28] hellsworth, you're welcome [14:29] Trevinho, willcooke, on a similar topic we have bug #1846477 [14:29] bug 1846477 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "Dragging icons in launcher is slow until shell restarted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1846477 [14:29] seb128, yeah that's what I was trying to recreate [14:29] the journal has quite some errors [14:29] st_label_set_text: assertion 'ST_IS_LABEL (label)' failed [14:32] mh ok thanks [14:33] I've various branche I've to submit to the dock too [14:33] I see errors like that one ^ [14:33] but I've to finish stuff with the desktop extension first [14:33] willcooke: and no logging related to that? [14:33] I mean trace of where these calls are coming from (js) [14:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1847102 [14:33] ? [14:33] Launchpad bug 1847102 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "Dragging icons around on the launcher stopped working" [Undecided,New] [14:34] I'll attach logs [14:38] JS ERROR: TypeError: this.icon.label is null [14:48] mh, yeah, not enough... I wonder why the debug isn't enabled by default there... mhm [14:52] jbicha, hum, any idea about bug 1847107? the gir depends is there so unsure what's the issue [14:52] bug 1847107 in gnome-tweaks (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/gnome-tweaks:ValueError:/usr/bin/gnome-tweaks@15:require_version Namespace Handy not available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1847107 [15:47] jibel: it's in, can you mail the translators please? [15:47] in> proposed, suppose it'll be a little while before rosetta learns [16:39] Laney, I don't find the new translsation in LP. Is there a delay or something to do to publish them? [16:40] cyphermox, maybe you know? [16:40] jibel: it's probably some job that imports it [16:40] would expect it to appear 'soon' [16:40] watch https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/eoan/+source/ubiquity/+imports [16:41] I didn't know this queue [16:41] I'll wait before sending the call for translation then [16:41] as you wish [16:54] jibel: I see it on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/eoan/+source/ubiquity/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot [16:55] not sure how to approve that though, seems I don't have permission [16:55] seb128: can you? [17:19] night all [17:19] good night willcooke [18:38] Laney, jibel, template approved, it should import in the next hour or less === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|afk [19:00] Laney, jibel, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/eoan/+source/ubiquity/+pots/ubiquity-debconf/fr/259/+translate [22:58] hey desktoppers, I just noticed if I use either communitheme-light/dark (via the communitheme edge snap) that a bunch of snaps have transparent window backgrounds - I assume this is because gtk-common-themes doesn't include these variants? [23:24] amurray: yes, please try gtk-common-themes from candidate [23:25] Please let me know if that fixes it [23:31] amurray: that should be in stable tomorrow, but I'd love to confirm that it fixes this for communitheme users [23:32] kenvandine: hmm I was previously running gtk-common-themes from edge - will give candidate a go...