[05:17] <jibel> morning all
[05:20] <duflu> Morning jibel
[05:27] <jibel> audio is getting worse on eoan. The list of output channels is empty and I've no sound at all this morning
[05:28] <jibel> and it's populated after a restart of gnome-shell
[05:29] <jibel> but still no sound
[05:29] <jibel> time for a reboot I suppose
[06:14] <didrocks> good morning
[06:30] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:38] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:48] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:48] <oSoMoN> happy Monday!
[06:51] <Wimpress> Morning o/
[06:53] <oSoMoN> hey Wimpress
[07:14] <didrocks> happy monday oSoMoN, Wimpress
[07:16] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:19] <marcustomlinson> morning jibel duflu didrocks oSoMoN and Wimpress
[07:19] <oSoMoN> hey marcustomlinson
[07:20] <didrocks> hey hey marcustomlinson
[07:29] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers
[07:29] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:30] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ? passé un bon w.e?
[07:32] <oSoMoN> I caught a big bad cold that knocked me out on Saturday, but I used it as an excuse to sleep a lot more than usual and not do much, so all in all it wasn't a bad week-end :)
[07:32] <oSoMoN> and I'm feeling much better already
[07:32] <seb128> ah, good to read that you feel better!
[07:32] <marcustomlinson> oSoMoN: that was just an excuse to be left alone I'm sure ;)
[07:32] <seb128> sleeep is the best :)
[07:32] <didrocks> oSoMoN: sick on week-end? Not good planning :p
[07:33]  * marcustomlinson hearts sleeping
[07:33] <oSoMoN> marcustomlinson, if only… (left alone)
[07:40] <Trevinho> morning
[07:41] <didrocks> hey Trevinho
[07:41] <oSoMoN> good morning Trevinho
[07:43] <marcustomlinson> buongiorno Trevinho
[07:46] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, Wimpress, marcustomlinson, seb128 and Trevinho
[07:47] <seb128> hey duflu Trevinho, how are you?
[07:47] <duflu> seb128, strangely tired but OK. At least it's no longer jet lag or a virus. How are you?
[07:47] <Trevinho> hey everyhone
[07:47] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm good, thanks
[07:48] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:48] <seb128> duflu, I'm good, had a nice relaxing w.e
[07:54] <Wimpress> duflu: Did the Canoniflu get you too?
[07:54] <duflu> Wimpress, nah it started over a week after the sprint
[07:55] <duflu> Oh, actually
[07:55] <duflu> No it would have been a bit under
[07:55] <duflu> 🤷
[07:58] <Wimpress> Ah, OK. Glad you're on the mend.
[07:58] <seb128> hey Wimpress, had a good w.e?
[07:59] <Wimpress> seb128: Yes, thanks. Spent most of it playing Lego Worlds with my daughter 🙂
[07:59] <Wimpress> Yourself?
[07:59] <seb128> Wimpress, nice, what did you build? we had a relaxing family w.e as well, it was great :)
[08:00] <Wimpress> We flattened an island and built Ninjago City 😁
[08:00] <seb128> nice!
[08:01] <willcooke> morning all
[08:01] <Wimpress> o/
[08:02] <Laney> hey
[08:02] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke, Laney
[08:03] <seb128> hey willcooke, Laney, how are you today? had a good w.e?
[08:03] <willcooke> Putting Ikea stuff together, so.....
[08:04] <seb128> relaxing activity for rainy days :p
[08:04] <willcooke> :)
[08:04] <didrocks> hey willcooke! Wimpress to Lego worlds, will to IKEA, same world :)
[08:04] <willcooke> XDD
[08:04] <Laney> hey oSoMoN seb128 willcooke
[08:04] <oSoMoN> given the choice, I'll take the Lego
[08:04] <Laney> yeah was good, went to a fancy restaurant on saturday
[08:04] <didrocks> morning Laney
[08:04] <Laney> and then yesterday we did apple picking up at the allotment
[08:05] <Laney> yo ho ho didrocks
[08:05] <didrocks> oSoMoN: hum, I'm not sure, I like both :)
[08:05] <Laney> you well?
[08:05] <seb128> we were in France, nice relaxing w.e there yes
[08:05] <didrocks> I'm fine, thanks, but I didn't go to any fancy or unfancy restaurants :)
[08:05] <seb128> and road back was fine yesterday, just lot of rain
[08:05] <seb128> was the restaurant fancy enough to have snails? ;)
[08:05] <didrocks> Laney: compote time!
[08:06] <Laney> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPacFQRchjwmwLUDzUqfnuXMaW3MSAsfwKbdKC9VxWBm-neQGmvdOlEU-hw8n2Pdw/photo/AF1QipOTINp-XMmXDdiUmjpHbQ1pIodt4EV1Oe2NMgKO?key=LWlIVk5CRnJzNnR3WEZUb0gtZFMxaEpzUmRub3Z3
[08:07] <seb128> what's this blue sky? that's not your place :p
[08:07] <Laney> NO SNAILS
[08:07] <seb128> :(
[08:07] <Laney> wouldn't have been surprised to see them actually
[08:07] <Laney> it was 'world tapas'
[08:07] <willcooke> That looks like an old tree.  very nice
[08:07] <Laney> = weird stuff, definitely includes snails ;-)
[08:07] <seb128> :)
[08:08] <Laney> yeah it's very old and gnarly
[08:08] <Laney> I was trying to get those great looking apples poking out of the top
[08:08] <didrocks> looks really great
[08:08] <willcooke> big apples too.
[08:08] <Laney> too scary standing all the way up there
[08:08] <Laney> need some kind of grabber
[08:09] <Laney> 7 mushroom crates just of the ones we already have off in that picture
[08:09] <Laney> apple pressing day is on october 20th, going to get J U I C EEEEEEEEEEE
[08:09] <duflu> Morning willcooke and Laney
[08:09] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[08:10] <Laney> peace duflu
[08:10] <Wimpress> Laney: Apple pressing? You making cider?
[08:10] <Laney> Wimpress: not sure!
[08:10] <Laney> someone just turns up with the machine
[08:10] <Laney> you bring your apples and containers, then what happens later is up to you
[08:10] <Laney> never tried cider, could be fun ?
[08:11] <Wimpress> Mobile apple pressing service! TIL
[08:12] <Laney> think it's one of the allotment holders
[08:12] <Laney> or someone's mate
[08:12] <Wimpress> I'd like to see photos of that.
[08:12] <Laney> nod
[08:12] <Wimpress> It has been a recent topic in the pub.
[08:18] <marcustomlinson> Hey willcooke, assembling ikea stuff, ditto :)
[08:18] <willcooke> :))
[08:18] <marcustomlinson> Morning Laney
[08:18]  * Laney fist bumps marcustomlinson 
[08:32] <Wimpress> seb128: I have a favour to ask.
[08:32]  * seb128 hides
[08:32] <Wimpress> Found a bug in libpeas, specifically the Python 2 loader, over the weekend.
[08:33] <Wimpress> Have analysis, test case and a fix.
[08:33] <seb128> ah, nice
[08:34] <Wimpress> As the last person to have touched libpeas, I wonder if you'd take a look and upload the debdiff we've prepared?
[08:34] <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpeas/+bug/1846890
[08:34] <Wimpress> Will buy beer 😉
[08:35] <seb128> Wimpress, any reason you didn't mp that on gitlab/upstream?
[08:35] <didrocks> Laney: I confirm that jibel's patch fixes the ubiquity build (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions/+sourcepub/10594743/+listing-archive-extra): https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Zh4hBvRzYY/. As I don't have merge right, do you mind sponsoring it?
[08:36] <seb128> I'm happy to do a package upload but I would prefer to have it upstreamed so we are good citizen and don't carry a delta for long
[08:37] <Wimpress> We are working with upstream.
[08:37] <Laney> didrocks: ok, in a bit, trying to make some upstream releases atm for the first time
[08:37] <seb128> Wimpress, I don't see it on https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libpeas/merge_requests
[08:37] <Wimpress> The distro patch is the simplest fix. But it is like upstream do intend to change the loader name.
[08:38] <Wimpress> Not submitted yet. Will do this week.
[08:38] <didrocks> Laney: sure, thx :)
[08:38] <Laney> didrocks: what about checking for the file that we're patching existing rather than listing the arches?
[08:38] <seb128> Wimpress, ok, let me know when you do so I can update the patch reference
[08:38] <Laney> just from a quick look, back to releases now ;-)
[08:38] <Wimpress> seb128: Sure thing.
[08:38] <seb128> Wimpress, if we don't do that then a year later we don't remember context and we have delta we don't know why they are there
[08:38] <seb128> thx
[08:43] <didrocks> Laney: that would be a question for jibel, I think the arch is enough for now, even if I agree that testing the file would be better
[08:49] <Laney> it's definitely enough, just a review to get to a better place
[09:06] <jibel> Laney, you want a MP?
[09:08] <Laney> yes pls
[09:09] <Laney> ifneq (,$(wildcard path/to/file)) is the construction to do something if a file exists
[09:09] <willcooke> duflu, can you send me a link to your lightning talk slide deck?  I cant seem to find it (updating release notes and want to call out a few specifics)
[09:10] <duflu> willcooke, there's no public link yet. Is that what you're after?
[09:10] <willcooke> duflu, private is fine, I just want to pick a few specific bugs
[09:10] <willcooke> *fixes
[09:10] <duflu> Yeah Ok
[09:12]  * duflu waits for login.ubuntu.com to respond
[09:12] <willcooke> duflu, ditto
[09:12] <duflu> willcooke, anyway it's in the desktop shared folder
[09:12] <willcooke> thanks duflu
[09:13] <duflu> Hmm timeout
[09:13] <willcooke> same
[09:14] <willcooke> I've gott it opened, ta
[09:16] <jibel> Laney, ok i'll change it to test the file instead
[09:16] <Laney> ♥
[09:17] <Laney> gnome .1 day!
[09:19] <seb128> indeed
[09:19] <seb128> Laney, I started on some, check the queue (or vcs) before starting on some updates, I will state on #debian-gnome or here when I start new ones
[09:20] <Laney> okey
[09:20] <Laney> will start with glib
[09:20] <seb128> nice
[09:20] <seb128> I'm doing the n-m update atm, will look at merging gtk next
[09:24] <Laney> just wiped some olbas oil in my eye
[09:24] <Laney> deary me
[09:25] <Wimpress> seb128: I'll get the upstream libpeas MR filed later today.
[09:26] <seb128> Wimpress, thx, I uploaded that debdiff meanwhile (and added some references to the .patch, at least a description and the ubuntu bug number)
[09:27] <seb128> Wimpress, once you mp it I will apply to Debian with the proper references and sync back to Ubuntu later
[09:36] <Wimpress> seb128: Nice one. Thanks.
[09:58] <Wimpress> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpeas/+bug/1846890/comments/8
[11:18] <seb128> Wimpress, thx
[11:20] <seb128> Laney, could you look at the upstream comment on https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libgdata/issues/37 , I could use your input on this one
[11:20] <gitbot> GNOME issue 37 in libgdata "Installed tests failing (without internet access?)" [2. Needs Information, Opened]
[11:22] <Laney> that's annoying isn't it
[11:22] <Laney> you could do (2) in the debian/tests script probably
[11:22] <Laney> like, resolve squid.internal and then re-export it with the IP address
[11:24] <Laney> or maybe it could be that the test works if you unset the proxies
[11:24] <Laney> if it doesn't actually use them in reality and that fake HTTP server covers everything?
[11:24] <seb128> oh maybe, let me try that
[11:24] <seb128> thx!
[11:42] <Laney> jibel: can haz MP?
[12:12] <jibel> Laney, yeah, testing a build
[12:18] <jibel> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~jibel/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/373735
[12:18] <jibel> and test build: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions/+packages?field.name_filter=ubiquity&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=eoan
[12:33] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, can/should we put this on our roadmap? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/how-to-expose-desktop-files-created-by-snaps-to-the-de/2853/12
[12:41] <jibel> Laney, did you figure out how translations of ubiquity work?
[13:03] <jibel> tkamppeter, my old but reliable HP D5560 just died, what model would you recommend? It's for personal use, i'd like to stay with HP, it works pretty well on Ubuntu.
[13:11] <Laney> jibel: no, no idea, now seb128 is here he might know though
[13:11] <seb128> jibel, Laney, what's the actual question? I didn't see one in the backlog
[13:12] <jibel> seb128, you're excused, it's a backlog from Friday
[13:12] <seb128> ah
[13:12] <seb128> let me check irclog :)
[13:12] <jibel> seb128, there are new strings to translate in ubiquity for zfs
[13:12] <jibel> seb128, and we were wondering how translation work for ubiquity
[13:13] <jibel> is it just extracted when the package is uploaded? but then since they ship with the packge how are they reimported?
[13:13] <seb128> jibel, is the string in ubiquity itself or in one of the bundled d-i components?
[13:13] <jibel> ubiquity itself
[13:18] <seb128> let me check
[13:20] <Laney> I can't see it on launchpad now
[13:20] <Laney> so presumably I do have to re-generate the template somehow
[13:22] <seb128> right
[13:22] <seb128> ubiquity does bundle an export so translations need to be exported and included in the source
[13:22] <seb128> but at this point that one hasn't been imported, I'm checking to see why
[13:23] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: probably
[13:25] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, do you want me to create a trello card, or will you handle it?
[13:25] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: can you please create the card and I'll assign it?
[13:25] <oSoMoN> sure thingr
[13:25] <oSoMoN> -r
[13:26] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: thx
[13:27] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, https://trello.com/c/Et88ApUA/366-snapd-userd-api-to-expose-desktop-files-created-by-snaps-to-the-de
[13:27] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: great
[13:34] <seb128> jibel, Laney, k, took me a while to find that back, but I think you need to run 'debconf-updatepo' in the sourcedir and commit/upload that, I just tried and it updates the debian/real-po/*.po to correctly include the ZFS string, launchpad should import that then on package upload
[13:34] <Laney> ah, great, thanks!
[13:34] <seb128> np
[13:36] <tkamppeter> Jibel, most modern HP's would do, make sure it is a network printer capable to print from cell phones and it prints driverless. I use the HP OfficeJet Pro 8730, works great, has separate cartridges and the cartridges have last long for me.
[13:48] <jibel> tkamppeter, thanks, the 8730 seems too much for my needs. i'll search their list of products with the criteria you mentioned
[13:51] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers :)
[13:52] <marcustomlinson> \o
[13:52] <willcooke> morning hellsworth
[13:52] <oSoMoN> hello hellsworth
[13:53] <hellsworth> jibel, i'd like to help out on the iso testing effort that you emailed aobut last week. are the latest isos just here? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/406/builds
[13:53] <hellsworth> i feel like i can find some time every day to do some release testing
[13:54] <Wimpress> hellsworth: o/
[13:54] <hellsworth> \o
[13:54] <jibel> hellsworth, great, thnaks. latest daily builds are published here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/404/builds
[13:54] <jibel> direct dl link http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/pending/
[13:54] <hellsworth> jibel, thanks! how often are there new isos?
[13:55] <jibel> daily isos are built ... daily ;)
[13:55] <kenvandine> good morning hellsworth
[13:55] <hellsworth> daily at the same time?
[13:55] <hellsworth> hi :)
[13:55] <jibel> hellsworth, yes, around 8AM UTC
[13:56] <jibel> hellsworth, there is actually only one image for ubuntu desktop
[13:56] <hellsworth> is there a build number or some unique ID for a build to identify if there's a problem?
[13:56] <hellsworth> oh i see the version columin in the builds link
[13:56] <didrocks> hey hey hellsworth
[13:57] <jibel> hellsworth, it is the id on the tracker. Otherwise it's on the iso itself on /.disk/info
[13:57] <Laney> if you download from the iso tracker then the ID is in there
[13:57] <hellsworth> perfect thanks
[13:57] <hellsworth> perfect
[13:58] <Laney> not actually sure what happens to results posted on the daily milestone when a new image gets published
[13:58] <hellsworth> Laney, is the daily milestone you speak of the test cases? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/406/builds/200088/testcases
[13:59] <Laney> like if you start from that link jibel posted
[13:59] <Laney> there's a version column there
[13:59] <Laney> it'll be updated when there are new images created tomorrow
[13:59] <jibel> there is a report with all the bugs reported and attached to test results for a release
[14:01] <Laney> probably I am suggesting to use rls-ee-incoming as well as the iso tracker
[14:02] <hellsworth> does the http link found at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/406/builds/200088/downloads work for anyone?
[14:02] <jibel> not all the bugs are worth tagging
[14:02] <Laney> yes of course
[14:02] <Laney> i'm trying to suggest a good process, no need to push back on it
[14:02] <willcooke> hellsworth, 404
[14:02] <jibel> hellsworth, use 404 not 406 sa build number
[14:03] <hellsworth> Laney, i'm not trying to push back :) just trying to gather the process so thanks
[14:03] <Laney> not you hellsworth
[14:03] <hellsworth> ah ok
[14:03] <jibel> hellsworth, 406 was the beta, it's out and the candidate images are gone
[14:03] <willcooke> hellsworth, jibel!  hahah!  I meant 404 error, not found :)  Funny that 404 is the right version
[14:04] <hellsworth> yeah 404 vs 406 is a bit cryptic
[14:04] <jibel> Laney, sorry, not pushing back. I agree bugs reported on the tracker should then be tagged -incoming when they are important enough for the releaes
[14:05] <jibel> Laney,my comment was that there is a lot of noise reported on the tracker
[14:05] <Laney> okey
[14:05] <jibel> so I do review the bugs reported and tag them when appropriate
[14:05] <Laney> like that report isn't a super great thing for everyone to be visiting
[14:05] <Laney> but the rls process kind of is better quality, so people from this team could use that as well
[14:06] <jibel> this way not everyone has to go to the tracker to figure out what has ben reported and should be fixed for the release
[14:06] <jibel> agreed
[14:09] <hellsworth> ok now that i have all the things i'll make sure to do some testing every day and i'll be focusing on the test cases in a qemu vm
[14:09] <hellsworth> so thanks yall
[14:10] <seb128> hey hellsworth, how are you? did you have a good w.e?
[14:10] <hellsworth> i sure did!
[14:11] <hellsworth> we didn't do anything on our todo list and instead went to the zoo and made zucchini bread. it was lovely :)
[14:11] <hellsworth> how bout you seb128
[14:12] <seb128> I'm find, had a nice and relaxing w.e even if the weather was grey, cold & rainy :)
[14:12] <seb128> and today is GNOME .1 tarballs day, which is keeping me busy :)
[14:16] <hellsworth> ooh grey, cold and rainy sounds nice. we're expecting snow this thurday - i am excite :)
[14:16] <hellsworth> GNOME .1 tarballs day - what is this? tell me more please.
[14:19] <hellsworth> oh my. all these people quitting... was it something i said? lol
[14:25] <seb128> IRC split :)
[14:25] <RikMills> the matrix disconnected
[14:25] <seb128> or that in that case
[14:26] <RikMills> well, there are a lot of [m] there
[14:26] <seb128> hellsworth, https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointThirtyfive/
[14:26] <dax> and all of their hostnames say gateway/shell/matrix.org ;)
[14:26] <RikMills> ^
[14:26] <seb128> well it's a sort of split, the matrix server went away :)
[14:26] <willcooke> Trevinho, I've found a bug in the dock and I'm logging a bug for it now, but before I restart my session etc, do you want some extra debugging?
[14:27] <hellsworth> ah that makes sense. matrix is giving me troubles this morn too
[14:27] <Trevinho> willcooke: what kind of bug?
[14:27] <willcooke> Trevinho, dragging icons on the dock as stopped working
[14:28] <Trevinho> willcooke: mh, ok.. well the journalctl should hopefully include the stacktrace for that
[14:28] <Trevinho> willcooke: check if there's presency of @ubuntu.com over there
[14:28] <hellsworth> seb128, thanks for the link
[14:28] <seb128> hellsworth, you're welcome
[14:29] <seb128> Trevinho, willcooke, on a similar topic we have bug #1846477
[14:29] <willcooke> seb128, yeah that's what I was trying to recreate
[14:29] <seb128> the journal has quite some errors
[14:29] <seb128> st_label_set_text: assertion 'ST_IS_LABEL (label)' failed
[14:32] <Trevinho> mh ok thanks
[14:33] <Trevinho> I've various branche I've to submit to the dock too
[14:33] <willcooke> I see errors like that one ^
[14:33] <Trevinho> but I've to finish stuff with the desktop extension first
[14:33] <Trevinho> willcooke: and no logging related to that?
[14:33] <Trevinho> I mean trace of where these calls are coming from (js)
[14:33] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1847102
[14:33] <Trevinho> ?
[14:34] <willcooke> I'll attach logs
[14:38] <willcooke> JS ERROR: TypeError: this.icon.label is null
[14:48] <Trevinho> mh, yeah, not enough... I wonder why the debug isn't enabled by default there... mhm
[14:52] <seb128> jbicha, hum, any idea about bug 1847107? the gir depends is there so unsure what's the issue
[15:47] <Laney> jibel: it's in, can you mail the translators please?
[15:47] <Laney> in> proposed, suppose it'll be a little while before rosetta learns
[16:39] <jibel> Laney, I don't find the new translsation in LP. Is there a delay or something to do to publish them?
[16:40] <jibel> cyphermox, maybe you know?
[16:40] <Laney> jibel: it's probably some job that imports it
[16:40] <Laney> would expect it to appear 'soon'
[16:40] <Laney> watch https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/eoan/+source/ubiquity/+imports
[16:41] <jibel> I didn't know this queue
[16:41] <jibel> I'll wait before sending the call for translation then
[16:41] <Laney> as you wish
[16:54] <Laney> jibel: I see it on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/eoan/+source/ubiquity/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot
[16:55] <Laney> not sure how to approve that though, seems I don't have permission
[16:55] <Laney> seb128: can you?
[17:19] <willcooke> night all
[17:19] <kenvandine> good night willcooke
[18:38] <seb128> Laney, jibel, template approved, it should import in the next hour or less
[19:00] <seb128> Laney, jibel, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/eoan/+source/ubiquity/+pots/ubiquity-debconf/fr/259/+translate
[22:58] <amurray> hey desktoppers, I just noticed if I use either communitheme-light/dark (via the communitheme edge snap) that a bunch of snaps have transparent window backgrounds - I assume this is because gtk-common-themes doesn't include these variants?
[23:24] <kenvandine> amurray: yes, please try gtk-common-themes from candidate
[23:25] <kenvandine> Please let me know if that fixes it
[23:31] <kenvandine> amurray: that should be in stable tomorrow, but I'd love to confirm that it fixes this for communitheme users
[23:32] <amurray> kenvandine: hmm I was previously running gtk-common-themes from edge - will give candidate a go...