[00:04] <OerHeks> some say you can use a windows or ios machine too
[00:06] <in_cognito> i am on a windows machine and I can create a live drive just fine with 1 USB stick. I used RUFUS, pointed to the ISO located on the WINDOWS HDD and then Pointed to the USB drive, selected MPR etc, not persistence and...voila....a perfectly good live drive, but with no persistence. When I used RUFUS and set persistence, it doesn't work. When I boot
[00:06] <in_cognito> to the USB it says something about not being able to mount.
[00:10] <OerHeks> Ubuntu Live ISOs created after August 1, 2019 support the persistent storage feature, so persistent partitions are only working with Rufus 3.7 and later using Ubuntu 19.10 and later.
[00:10] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/a/1178755
[00:11] <OerHeks> so you are bound to persistence up to 4 gb including the iso i guess
[00:12] <in_cognito> hmm...that doesn't sound like a lot of space, perhaps for configuration files, but not storage. I read somewhere that multuple partitions can be used including a partition using NTFS. Man, this is a heck of a task.
[00:13] <Ben64> how much are you trying to do on a usb
[00:13] <Ben64> if you want an actual install, you should just do that
[00:15] <in_cognito> good point. OerHeks thanks for the link, is it safe to assume that ubuntu 19.XX may not be as stable as 18.XX?
[00:16] <OerHeks> you are free to asume what you want
[00:16] <Bashing-om> in_cognito: YMMV - 19.10 is in development - however -sold as a roack in my test bed install.
[00:17] <OerHeks> 10 days to go
[00:17] <in_cognito> Ben64 what the heck really is the difference between having persistence on a live drive an a full install on a USB stick. I want to be able to plug into any random machine and get going with work. I understood from some readings that if in persistence I start to install drivers to suit one machine I may have issues with another. Actually, if there
[00:17] <in_cognito> is a difference between persistence and a full install on a USB, I'd like to try both. If full install means installing to an internal HDD, I am not looking to do that. I want portable computing.
[00:18] <in_cognito> Bashing-om, that's great. So I can just download that ISO and the latest vesion of RUFUS and only need 1 USB stick to get a drive with persistence. I will give that a try.
[00:18] <Ben64> in_cognito: there's a big difference. an install can be anywhere
[00:19] <in_cognito> dude, I am totally confused. So speaking about a USB drive, there are 3 options. 1.) Live with not persistence 2.) live with persistence and 3.) full install
[00:19] <in_cognito> is that correct?
[00:20] <Ben64> sure
[00:21] <in_cognito> okay, so then what's the main difference between 2 and 3. Why full install vs. Live with persistence?
[00:21] <Woodpecker> Has anyone here setup a database on ubuntu, a server for it, and hosted it on localhost for development?
[00:22] <Woodpecker> Sorry for asking here, but ddg assumes that anyone who is a webdev is a windows or mac user
[00:28] <OerHeks> Woodpecker, sure, there is #ubuntu-server too
[00:29] <OerHeks> !lamp
[00:29] <Woodpecker> ah good idea
[00:47] <extor> Bashing-om, am I listed on the #linux channel or the ##linux channel as active? Because the former is invite only for me but I am in the latter.
[00:52] <Bashing-om> extor: You are in the #linux channel >> "7:56  * extor has a laptop with an AMD......" .
[01:05] <extor> If you do a /whois on me as I just did you should see that I am not in #linux but I am in ##linux
[01:05] <extor> Also, it tells me that you are in ##linux and #ubuntu and nowhere else when I do a /whois on you. Just sayin.
[01:09] <Bashing-om> extor: Nope -do '/names' in the #linux channel; and you will see "extor" in that list :)
[01:10] <extor> I could, if I were on that channel.
[01:14] <Bashing-om> extor: try and close out ##linux, then ' /j #linux ' // and could be that you must be registered to join - but #linux is not an invite only channel.
[01:15] <extor> I guess they are the same channel then
[01:17] <Bashing-om> extor: Me thinks ##linux re-directs to #linux.
[01:19] <brendantcc> the more you learn
[01:26] <akem> * Cannot join #linux (Channel is invite only)
[01:27] <akem> I just identified with nickserv.
[01:27] <brendantcc> lmao
[01:27] <akem> I can join ##linux tho.
[01:27] <brendantcc> try doing /quote KNOCK #linux
[01:28] <bqq> when i trying to login to my account in X, it immediately logout, what possible reason?
[01:30] <Bashing-om> bqq: Two most likely reasons 1) sudo'n where you should not, and now root owns the desktop. 2) broke graphics driver.
[01:30] <OerHeks> standard answer would be: check your logs?
[01:31] <akem> brendantcc, I did.
[01:33] <OerHeks> akem,  so you found out that ##linux is the right one
[01:34] <akem> OerHeks, I think yes... :)
[01:41] <Bashing-om> OH ouch extor OerHeks : Yeah the support channel is ##linux :D
[03:06] <wondows> is there any terminal replacements you'd recommend?
[03:07] <Ben64> what
[03:08] <XXCoder> I guess you meant shell
[03:08] <wondows> no I mean the terminal
[03:08] <wondows> the default is kinda meh
[03:08] <Ben64> what is a terminal to you
[03:08] <XXCoder> program for serial commucation I guess
[03:08] <wondows> one thing that bothers me... everywhere else I use ctrl+backspace to delete a word... in the terminal I have to press alt+backspace.. wtf
[03:08] <XXCoder> for commucating with other device
[03:09] <wondows> e.g. on the mac I use iTerm2
[03:09] <wondows> that's what I mean by "terminal replacement", another terminal application
[03:10] <wondows> also in the terminal I have to use ctrl+shift+C to copy... ctrl+shift+V to paste...
[03:10] <wondows> it's non-standard
[03:10] <Ben64> standard for linux
[03:11] <wondows> I mean every other app does not behave like that
[03:11] <wondows> I have to keep changing my behavior when the terminal has focus, annoying as hell
[03:11] <wondows> why complicate things? JfC
[03:11] <Ben64> ctrl+c already does a thing in a terminal
[03:11] <Ben64> so ... it's ctrl+shift+c
[03:23] <OerHeks> really, design safety features are awesome
[03:45] <brendantcc> i think wondows means a terminal emulator
[03:46] <wilornel[m]> what file would the error "Failed to lock apt for exclusive operation" be talking about? I think it might be one of these.... shell: "echo a ; >&1 sudo lsof /var/lib/apt/lists/lock || echo b ; >&1 sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock || echo c ; >&1 sudo lsof /var/cache/apt/archives/lock || echo d ; ",
[03:46] <wilornel[m]> I'm trying to check the status on unattended upgrades..
[03:48] <wilornel[m]> More specifically, I'm trying to run some provisioning using Ansible but some tasks are failing because they cannot get ahold of a lock.
[03:58] <Bashing-om> wilornel[m]: Maybe: ' sudo fuser -vvv /var/lib/apt/lock ' to find the files ?
[04:01] <wilornel[m]> let me try that
[04:06] <wilornel[m]> Bashing-om: the command gives an empty output..
[04:08] <Bashing-om> wilornel[m]: Maybe now the lock is not in effect: ps -ef |egrep "apt|dpkg" ?
[04:12]  * wilornel[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/DlniJWruYgZryVRvNKDCEivD >
[04:12] <wilornel[m]> I'll try what you just suggested in a minute
[04:16] <wilornel[m]> gah, it only outputtted the command itself and the grep subcommand ...
[04:17] <wilornel[m]> I'm lost, I think there's something I don't understand in the whole provisioning process of a Ubuntu Xenial AMI. There's something about systemd I guess, cloud-init, boot-finished...  https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45269225/ansible-playbook-fails-to-lock-apt?noredirect=1&lq=1 and https://serverfault.com/questions/855872/how-to-wait-for-user-data-script-to-run-when-starting-ec2-instances-with-ansible/855898#855898
[04:32] <Bashing-om> wilornel[m]: Will take another that knows more about ansible than I :(
[05:44] <ZaZaGX> hi
[06:27] <AndroUser2> Hi! I have a problem with my Ubuntu budgie desktop. Every time I restart I either get Ctrl+alt+left or right or none working to switch workspaces. I can add a custom keybind with the command but it doesn't always work with restart either even though it's still there in my keybindslist.
[06:29] <tomreyn> AndroUser2: have you asked in #ubuntu-budgie, yet? i'm not even sure which software it uses there.
[06:30] <AndroUser2> oh I'm sorry didn't know there was that channel
[06:31] <tomreyn> AndroUser2: No worries, generally, here is generally fine, too, since there is a big overlap amongst the Ubuntu flavors. But when it's desktop specific questions, you're usually best served in the flavor specific channel.
[06:32] <tomreyn> see also the /topic there
[06:45] <Emil> Hey
[06:47] <Emil> I'm wondering if the issue with htop rendering is on my terminal (juicessh) or htop
[06:49] <Emil> hmm, I suppose it's not an Ubuntu issue though
[06:50] <tomreyn> there's also ##linux if it's not Ubuntu specific
[06:59] <banisterfiend> anyone here familiar with DBus? if so, what is a StatusNotifierHost? and how does it relate to a StatusNotfierItem and a StatusNotifierWatcher ?
[07:15] <doug16k> the kernel is issuing an unsupported SCSI command to my WD Passport external drive: https://gist.github.com/doug65536/0d38503572ab3d0eb83fe9e3eae8870c
[07:15] <doug16k> is there a way to add a quirk with a kernel command line option or something to tell it not to try to use "WRITE SAME" operation code?
[07:17] <doug16k> oops, meant to post this in ##linux. sorry
[07:37] <metnel> Hi guys, I am using 18.04 and after changing some dhcp settings on my router, my ubuntu machine fail the dhclient process. I tried to remove dhcp leases and flush the arp, but it still seems to fail. Windows machine seems to go with dhcp just fine.
[07:46] <tomreyn> metnel: so what's being logged about it?
[07:46] <tomreyn> use the pastebin given in the channel topic
[07:48] <zamba> what is the relationship between pulseaudio, alsa and oss+
[07:48] <zamba> which one is used when and why?
[07:50] <metnel> tomreyn: I tried to use dhclient directly and it just seem to hang on DHCPDISCOVER
[07:51] <tomreyn> metnel: firewalling maybe?
[07:51] <metnel> The firewall is the dhcp server, I haven't change anything firewall wise.
[07:51] <metnel> (Dhcp also works for windows machines)
[07:52] <tomreyn> so there's no host firewalling on the ubuntu system
[07:53] <metnel> oh, yes there is. this might be it? I will try and disable it
[07:54] <catocalypse> mornin` ladies and gentlemen
[07:56] <metnel> tomreyn: disabling the host firewall still doesn't seem to do the trick.
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> zamba: we dont really take polls here, consider #ubuntu-discuss
[08:01] <tomreyn> metnel: so if iptables -L is now empty and     dhclient -4 -d INTERFACE    just sits there then it doesn't see any DHCP offer in response to its discovery boradcast.
[08:03] <tomreyn> metnel: you can then use network packet inspection utilities (tcpdump / tshark / wireshark) to investigate the traffic further.
[08:03] <metnel> yeah I suppose I will have to do that.
[08:03] <catocalypse> is there a separate channel for powerpc? (u16.04, ppc32)
[08:03] <metnel> Thanks!
[08:03] <tomreyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Host_Configuration_Protocol#Discovery
[08:04] <tomreyn> metnel: i assumed you're on ipv4 there. it can work very differently on ipv6
[08:04] <metnel> I'm using ipv4
[08:05] <trijntje> I'm trying to isntall vagrant on Ubuntu 18.04, but I get errors configuring lvm2: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/tTPcWsybYw/
[08:05] <tomreyn> catocalypse: #ubuntu-powerpc (doh!)
[08:06] <catocalypse> tomreyn, thanks, soz for the silly question :)
[08:06] <tomreyn> ;)
[08:06] <tomreyn> !alis | catocalypse, if it helps next time
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> trijntje: did you had to add ppa's for vagrant?
[08:09] <tomreyn> trijntje: so why is lvm2-lvmetad.socket masked?
[08:09] <trijntje> tomreyn, no idea, this is what I was able to find about that: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/469310/lvm2-service-is-masked-in-debian
[08:09] <zamba> i'm attempting to install a package that says it requires version > 5 of python-tornado.. apt depends mopidy shows "Depends: python-tornado (>= 5)"
[08:10] <zamba> but when doing apt-cache show mopidy, i see the following line: "Depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, init-system-helpers (>= 1.18~), python (>= 2.7), python (<< 2.8), python-pkg-resources, python-pykka, python-tornado (>= 2.3), adduser, debconf, lsb-base, gstreamer0.10-plugins-good, python-gst0.10"
[08:10] <trijntje> lotuspsychje, I have  http://ppa.launchpad.net/ansible/ansible/ubuntu enabled
[08:10] <zamba> i read that as just version 2.3 or above?
[08:10] <zamba> i have installed mopidy on a different 18.04 machine just fine.. so what's up here?
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> trijntje: not sure how its related to lvm yet, but dependency issues we see its mostly related to ppa's conflicting apt ways
[08:11] <metnel> tomreyn: seems like a human error, cable management thingy. Still, thank you so much for the assist!
[08:12] <tomreyn> metnel: finally a good reason to get rid of management!
[08:13] <tomreyn> trijntje: well it's not masked on my operational 18.04 system. but you're saying this is during an ubuntu installation, or just while installing the vagrant package?
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> zamba: can you use a pastebin output of your apt result when installing python-tornado please, volunteers might be able to debug better
[08:13] <trijntje> tomreyn, just while installing vagrant
[08:14] <tomreyn> trijntje: which environment is this system operating in? is it a VM, bare metal?
[08:16] <trijntje> tomreyn, just a normal desktop PC, without full disk encryption
[08:17] <tomreyn> trijntje: i see. what if you purge lvm2 and reinstall it?
[08:17] <trijntje> lotuspsychje, I think our sysadmin added that ppa, so I don't want to just disable it ;)
[08:17] <tomreyn> trijntje: only do it if you're not actually using it
[08:18] <zamba> lotuspsychje: i am able to install python-tornado, but apparently not the right version
[08:19] <trijntje> tomreyn, lotuspsychje: looks like purging lvm2 and reinstalling fixed it, I can now install vagrant
[08:20] <tomreyn> zamba: apt policy mopidy    will likely show different available versions, some of which are from a ppaß
[08:20] <tomreyn> ?
[08:20] <zamba> tomreyn: yeah, i figured it out :)
[08:21] <tomreyn> trijntje: okay, unmasking the socket would probably have worked, too. i think this socket was masked on ubuntu 16.04 by default, but not on 18.04, so maybe it's a result of an incomplete upgrade of this system.
[08:27] <akem> What graphic tool can i use to show disk space used by a folder and the branches/files inside.
[08:27] <akem> ?
[08:27] <trijntje> akem, baobab should be installed by default
[08:29] <akem> Thanks trijntje
[08:29] <tomreyn> akem: you can also right-click on a directory in nautilus and select properties
[08:30] <tomreyn> (then look, on the "Basic" tab, at "Contents"
[08:30] <tomreyn> )
[08:30] <akem> tomreyn, Ok, but i use Nemo, and i wanted something more detailled, i got what i was after with Baobab.
[08:30] <tomreyn> cool
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> !yay | trijntje
[10:12] <Vonor> o/
[10:12] <prophecy04> Hello everyone.  Can you tell me if Linus Torvaltds ever visits this channel?
[10:17] <tomreyn> prophecy04: that's not an ubuntu support topic, which this channel is about
[10:17] <prophecy04> ok
[10:17] <Vonor> for an ansible playbook I need to fetch a file from an smb share. regardless whether i use the smbclient command to fetch the file or use the mount module to mount the share it doesn't work. strange thing is, that i can access the smb share via nautilus/nemo just fine. mounting manually works too, smbclient however gives me this>
[10:17] <Vonor> smbclient server/path/directory {{ smb_password }} -U {{ smb_username }} -c "recurse;lcd /tmp/ansible/;get myfile.tar.gz"
[10:17] <stane95> Hello, any preseed gurus here? Im trying to rpeseed install for Ubuntu server 18 from ftp server, it looks like the file gets downloaded successfully, but then I get message "umount: cant unmount /root/dev: device or resource busy". Any idea why that would be? I have nothing to special in preseed file (language, auto partitioning, apt install with
[10:17] <stane95> some packages,...) and i know it works, at least when I put it in the ISO file
[10:17] <Vonor> Unable to initialize messaging context
[10:19] <tomreyn> stane95: /join #ubuntu-server
[10:19] <stane95> tomreyn oh sorry thank you
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> !samba | Vonor start here
[10:27] <tomreyn> Vonor: what i gather from reading https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13925 is that the message "Unable to initialize messaging context" this looks more like an irrelevant side effect (a leftover error message) which should not cause things to fail. but maybe i'm misinterpreting what i read, and it's actually failing due to it.
[10:27] <tomreyn> please ignore what ubottu said
[10:34] <Vonor> lotuspsychje, erm. thanks? I asked something specific not a general newbie question about accessing windows shares
[10:34] <Vonor> tomreyn, thanks. that actually helps in further research :)
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> Vonor: just widening your options
[10:43] <Vonor> tomreyn, interesting. using sudo i don't get that message. but the commands specified via -c still don't work. even a simple smbclient host/share/path PASSWORD -U USER -c 'dir' doesn't show anything
[10:45] <tomreyn> Vonor: so i assume you're hitting another error condition, too, i just don't know which. anything ont he logs?
[11:01] <Vonor> apparently the logs are empty. using -d 9 i get some output but i can't see anything pointing to an issue either.
[11:29] <tomreyn> Gusj: hi there. you got messages pending from memoserv
[11:29] <tomreyn> (about our previous work on your laptop here)
[11:29] <Gusj> tomreyn: Hola Tom... ahhh wow, how can I check them? did not know, have not received any notice...
[11:31] <Gusj> tomreyn: Just saw the notice in the join msgs of server thank you
[11:34] <tomreyn> Gusj: so this 10s power button press is about clearing your mainboards' NVRAM, i think. and it seems to have helped others using your hardware.
[11:40] <Gusj> tomreyn: Hola Tom, Thank you for this alternative, I already have tried that many times before, disconnected, with battery out, and for more than one minute pressing the power button..
[11:42] <teryxeon> If anyone has a solution for keybinds that doesn't work after restart sometimes could you email me on "noelhkleen@gmail.com". Thanks!
[11:43] <tomreyn> Gusj: ah, that's a pity then. something else TJ brought up is that you should make sure it's not due to a bad custom setting in your bios. i.e. make sure to reload vendor defaults, and only change what you strictly have to then.
[11:43] <tomreyn> s/vendor/manufacturer/
[11:45] <Gusj> tomreyn: Yes, have looked at that profile very well and in detail as you can imagine, I have gone to defaults, etc.. I tried to update it from 1.40 to 1.50 (the latest ver) if you remember, was able to burn a cd form a windows copmuter inorder to update it, but when I tried, it gave me the same msg that it gave me when I tried to update it through windows, 'Wrong Model/version', even though I downloaded from the Toshiba page for my
[11:45] <Gusj> particular model, So I think either they labeled it for my model when it is not or I don't understand
[11:46] <Gusj> tomreyn: but get this, I was able to make a freedos 1.1 USB before I tried the CD, and when the machine booted into freedos Tom, the keyboard did not work either, not the laptop keyboard of the external one..
[11:47] <Gusj> tomreyn: I know this is a long shot, but is there an open source GENERIC bios that gives you access to more stuff inside the bios that you can flash the motherboard with and not brick it?
[11:48] <tomreyn> Gusj: very unlikely for a laptop.
[11:49] <tomreyn> there's coreboot and linuxboot but neither of these will work with laptops unless specifically patched and tested to work with a specific laptop model.
[11:49] <tomreyn> so we tried all we could, i'm afraid. good luck!
[11:49] <Gusj> tomreyn: I still onyl have, (with those grub commands that I managed to narrow it down) the FN+F2+F3 (brightness up/down) & FN+F11 (wifi on/off)
[11:51] <tomreyn> i see
[11:51] <Gusj> tomreyn: was thinking of maybe updating to 19.04, I have Lubuntu 18.04 LTS  at the moment... as I thhought I would get a higher kernel
[11:52] <tomreyn> i'm afraid i don't think there's any way to make this hardware work on linux for oyu.
[11:52] <c03> I'm trying to install freecad, from the maintainers PPA
[11:52] <c03> However, the freecad package points to the one in the official ubuntu repo
[11:52] <c03> How do I prioritize the launcpad.net ppa?
[11:53] <Gusj> tomreyn: Some ppl have reported a fix of update to a kernel 5.1xxxx
[11:53] <tomreyn> well, give it a try then Gus, but i'm not convinced
[11:54] <tomreyn> !pinning | c03
[11:54] <Gusj> tomreyn: I am almost certain that it has to do with this toshiba module thing, "Failed to start fnfxd.service." I get that msg alot, whne trying to install input stuff
[11:55] <tomreyn> Gusj: you can always just uninstall the software rpoviding it.
[11:55] <Gusj> tomreyn: That service module cannot / does not start, Have tried uninstalling it and installing it, same result..  does not start, it is an apci module, I have a question for you Tom, if my external USB mouse and keyboard work, then it cannot be a apci problem right?
[11:56] <tomreyn> "fnfxd.service" sounds more like a systemd service to me. and one that is not part of ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[11:57] <Gusj> tomreyn: Yes but it is something Toshiba specific apparently.. and int he Synapt Pckg Manager it reads "You will need at least a kernel (v2.4.x, v2.5.x, v2.6.x) with ACPI and Toshiba support (CONFIG_ACPI and CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA)"
[11:58] <tomreyn> there is https://packages.ubuntu.com/fnfxd
[11:58] <tomreyn> so you could just purge this package
[11:59] <tomreyn> hmm, it's i386 only
[11:59] <tomreyn> so it's really unclear how you got it installed on your ubuntu 18.04 amd64 installation
[11:59] <Gusj> tomreyn: I have tried uninstalling and installing, and always get an error.. so you recommend removing it completely? right?
[12:00] <Gusj> tomreyn: IT got there byt itself originally...
[12:00] <tomreyn> apparently oyu first tried installing it, since i dont think the ubuntu installer would have installed it for you.
[12:00] <tomreyn> unless you installed a 32-bit version of 18.04?
[12:01] <Gusj> tomreyn: I don't think so Tom, it has been there since the beginning, after I saw its name in the logs etc,.. then I becamse aware of it, but I never installed it myself
[12:01] <Gusj> tomreyn: no no always the 64b version
[12:01] <tomreyn> well, purge it, see what happens.
[12:01] <Gusj> tomreyn: ok will do..
[12:01] <Gusj> tomreyn: Thank you
[12:02] <Gusj> tomreyn: Tom do you recommend that I update to the 19.04 lubuntu version?
[12:02] <tomreyn> Gusj: and if you can, run   dpkg -l fnfxd   and apt-cache policy fnfxd    before you purge it
[12:02] <Gusj> tomreyn:  ahh ok will do..
[12:16] <Gusj> tomreyn: Tom, here are the results of those two (1) commands.. [12:17] <tomreyn> this i386 package is in state "half-configured", it was never properly installed.
[12:18] <tomreyn> Gusj: can you post this as well:   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[12:19] <Gusj> tomreyn: It gave me an error in synaptic pkcg manager.. yes one sec
[12:19] <tomreyn> and this also:  sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[12:22] <tomreyn> Gusj: see above. and finally also:  ls -l /proc/acpi/toshiba/lcd
[12:23] <tomreyn> actually make that  ls -l /proc/acpi/toshiba/
[12:50] <AlexPortable> Trying to resize a windows partition, "Windows is hibernated, refused to mount"
[12:52] <AlexPortable> how do I unhibernate it from ubuntu? It won't boot
[12:55] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: i don't think you can from linux. you could try ntfsfix, but this may very well cause data loss.
[12:55] <TJ-> AlexPortable: not possible so far as I know, without deep tinkering. When hibernated the NTFS pagefile is used to store an image of RAM and cannot be moved or otherwise affected by a resize
[12:56] <TJ-> AlexPortable: there's a $hibernate file if I recall correctly alongside the $swapfile
[12:58] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/204166/how-do-i-mount-a-hibernated-ntfs-partition
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:04] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: actually you could try to mount it read-only, this may work
[13:08] <Gusj> tomreyn: Hi Tom, here are the logs for the 2 commands, ==> https://termbin.com/sc0h  && https://termbin.com/sfvd
[13:09] <Gusj> tomreyn: For the comm "ls -l /proc/acpi/toshiba/" ==> total 0 -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 oct  7 09:07 version
[13:10] <Ascavasaion> Hello there... I am running Hexchat in Lubuntu, and for some reason the bottom line, i.e. Tabs for channels and queries is underneath the Panel.  I have maximised etc and still nothing.  any ideas please?  It is not a matter of maximising etc.
[13:11] <Ascavasaion> No worries, sorted it out
[13:12] <tomreyn> Gusj: thanks for getting those outputs. so i suggest you purge fnfxd:i386 then
[13:12] <Gusj> tomreyn: Ok thank you Tom.. so  I will do a complete removal from Synaptic Pkg Manager? or is there a better way to do it?
[13:13] <tomreyn> Gusj: command line interface is always better since you'll not miss any warnings / errors.  sudo dpkg --purge fnfxd:i386
[13:14] <Gusj> tomreyn: Thank you will do it now
[13:17] <Gusj> tomreyn: I did it Tom and got no warning messages. Cannot reboot at the moment because wife is using the laptop but will do it as soon as I can and let you know
[13:22] <tomreyn> Gusj: sure. you should also run   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get full-upgrade    to make sure the system is fully updated now that this broken package is removed.
[13:22] <Gusj> tomreyn: ok thank you, will run that now, before rebooting
[13:22] <tomreyn> you havea kernel update pending amongst other, as seen here (where the upgrades were just simulated): https://termbin.com/sfvd
[13:23] <tomreyn> Gusj: you also have this error you should fix, a PPA is configured which does not support your current ubuntu release (18.04): E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/colingille/freshlight/ubuntu bionic Release' does not have a Release file.
[13:23] <Gusj> tomreyn: I am having trouble seeing that for myself in the log... I searched for kernel and got no hit
[13:24] <tomreyn> search for "linux-generic" instead
[13:26] <AlexPortable> tomreyn: well i order to resize it i have to mount it with read permissions
[13:27] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: or recreate it smaller and copy the data, but i'm not sure how reliable that is, yes
[13:27] <Gusj> tomreyn: I did the update Tom, this was the result [13:28] <AlexPortable> well im not entirely sure if i need the data
[13:28] <AlexPortable> but what i do know is that i need space now no my main partition, only hve 1 gb left or so
[13:28] <tomreyn> Gusj: right, it failed ("E: ...") due to the broken apt repository. fix this, run the whole series of commands again
[13:29] <tomreyn> Gusj: you will need to remove the configuration for this PPA manually by deleting the file which configures it off /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[13:30] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: i think we went over all the options you have.
[13:31] <tomreyn> i.e.: good luck there!
[13:32] <AlexPortable> can i just wipe it ?
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> AlexPortable: when volunteers say all the options are considered already?
[13:34] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: sure, you can delete the partition or zero the file system if you don't need the data anymore.
[13:36] <AlexPortable> Adding remove_hiberfile worked, thanks
[13:36] <TJ-> Gusj: when you did the power-off -remove-battery- exercise, on rebooting did you immediately enter firmware/BIOS setup by pressing F2 and then reset to factory default by pressing F9 and save with F10 ?
[13:45] <eipip1e0> if i put xset in .xinitrc then next time i could not login due to lacking X resources. so where should i put xset in?
[13:46] <LuckyMan> Question: does a version upgrade will unninstall my snaps?
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: should not
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: wich version to wich are you planning?
[13:48] <LuckyMan> other: Will it change my Virtualbox configuration?
[13:48] <LuckyMan> I'm on 19.04
[13:48] <LuckyMan> planning to upgrade to 19.10
[13:48] <tomreyn> eipip1e0: what are you using it for?
[13:48] <eipip1e0> tomreyn: for keyboard rate setting
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: i dont see a virtualbox snap?
[13:48] <a90c> Which tools do you prefer to develop desktop app on ubuntu?
[13:49] <eipip1e0> a90c: qt?
[13:49] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, not a snap
[13:50] <LuckyMan> the repository one
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: oh they were 2 questions, nvm
[13:50] <a90c> eipip1e0: which version of pyqt?
[13:50] <tomreyn> eipip1e0: hmm maype put "sleep 1;" in front or move the keyboard configuration to xorg.conf
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: upgrades will take over your /home and its confs too and upgrade package versions
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: its always wise to consider backups
[13:51] <LuckyMan> I see
[13:52] <Gusj> tomaw: Will delete the file now and run the series of commands again... conocerning the nvram reset, yes I did that, will do it again just to be sure..
[13:52] <eipip1e0> tomreyn: what is the rational for "sleep 1;"
[13:52] <a90c> eipip1e0: oh sorry qt is different than pyqt.
[13:52] <Gusj> TJ-: Hola TJ!! thank you for your help, yes I did, will do it again just to be sure..
[13:52] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, I don't have much to backup but I have important work on a virtual machine
[13:52] <tomreyn> eipip1e0: making sure it has time to initialize. it's ugly, i know.
[13:52] <a90c> eipip1e0: which one is better for beginners?
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: ok, so backup your vbox data?
[13:54] <Gusj> TJ-: TJ thank you for leaving me that suggestion with tom.. I really appreciate it...
[13:55] <Gusj> TJ-: I also installed evdev with the help of another user Tenagra as an alternative
[14:02] <Gusj> TJ-: I tried your solution of trying to boot off the generic mainline kernel 4.15, with same result as well.. at the moment, with the grub commands I have narrowed down to, I can FN+F2+F3 for brightness and FN+F11 wifi on/off and that is it.. I also tried a 'listen' command to see what kyes were giving outpout in terminal, and those were the only keys where I could see output in terminal when I pressed them..
[14:04] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, how? (advise me)
[14:09] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, I never made a VM backup
[14:09] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, should I use export or clone?
[14:14] <tomreyn> LuckyMan: if you want to make a one-time backup copy of your VirtualBox VMs you really just need to recursively copy   ~/VirtualBox\ VMs\   to a backup storage
[14:20] <LuckyMan> tomreyn, ok So I would restore the backup copying back the files to ~/VirtualBox VMs
[14:22] <Estov> Hi there, I am trying to set up a VM (Windows 7 64bit) using kvm / qemu/ gpu passthrough. Unfortunately the guest doesnt recognize the GPU properly. It says "Device cannot be started (code 10)."
[14:22] <Estov> Strangely it properly set up the audio chip of my gpu. Any experienced user here to help me ?
[14:23] <tomreyn> LuckyMan: yes. you may also need to backup ~/.VirtualBox/ to save the global configuration as well as the list of configured VMs.
[14:24] <tomreyn> LuckyMan: there could be more to it, read the manual at virtualbox.org and (if still needed then) ask in #vbox for further backup instructions.
[14:24] <LuckyMan> tomreyn, ok thanks!
[14:25] <tomreyn> Estov: and you host runs which ubuntu version? does it work with an ubuntu guest system (in a supported version)?
[14:26] <Estov> I run a kinda fresh install of Ubuntu: Description:	Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS, Release:	18.04
[14:26] <Estov> I haven't tried Ubuntu as guest yet. Only Arch and Windows.
[14:27] <tomreyn> did arch work?
[14:27] <tomreyn> with gpu passthorugh, that is
[14:28] <Estov> I think so, because the lspci command in Arch showed me the same output for my GPU as my host does
[14:28] <tomreyn> how many graphics cards do you have?
[14:29] <Estov> I have 2: one Intel chip and a NVIDIA graphics card
[14:29] <Estov> IOMMU Group 1:
[14:29] <Estov> 	00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v5/E3-1500 v5/6th Gen Core Processor PCIe Controller (x16) [8086:1901] (rev 05)
[14:29] <Estov> 	01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GP106M [GeForce GTX 1060 Mobile] [10de:1c20] (rev a1)
[14:29] <Estov> 	01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: NVIDIA Corporation GP106 High Definition Audio Controller [10de:10f1] (rev a1)
[14:29] <tomreyn> !paste | Estov
[14:29] <Estov> oops sry the iommu group copy paste wasnt intended
[14:30] <jatt> on upgrade I'm getting http://dpaste.com/33PHJ6N
[14:30] <tomreyn> well if gpu passthrough works with arch this means it works on both the host and the virtualization. and you're looing for windows support.
[14:30] <jatt> it this OK or could be a problem?
[14:31] <tomreyn> !eoan | jatt
[14:31] <Estov> So what can I do ? :(
[14:31] <jatt> ok will ask there then thanks
[14:32] <tomreyn> Estov: you can try to get windows support. there's ##windows here, and probably several other offerings elsewhere
[14:34] <Estov> mmh ok, thanks
[14:34] <nicomachus> hi all. i have some nfs directories on an ubuntu server that are mounted on a raspberry pi (running raspbian Buster). The mounts have worked perfectly, but suddenly disappeared this weekend. I can see the mounted directories on the client, but not the contents of the directories.
[14:35] <nicomachus> is there a default lease time that perhaps I didn't change?
[14:42] <bumblefuzz> I'm on ubuntu server 18.04 and have set up my wifi
[14:42] <bumblefuzz> However, when I reboot my wifi does not automatically connect
[14:42] <bumblefuzz> if I plug in the ethernet, the wifi will connect
[14:43] <bumblefuzz> but only after I plug in the ethernet
[14:43] <bumblefuzz> is there a way to make the wifi connect at startup regardless of whether the ethernet is connected?
[14:52] <LuckyMan> bumblefuzz, I'm not answering your question but are you on a laptop and is the wifi card supported by ubuntu?
[14:53] <bumblefuzz> this is on an RPi 3
[14:55] <tomreyn> and you installed ubuntu server there how?
[14:55] <Estov> Maybe you dont want that but ... you could try to install / set up networkmanager (sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install network-manager). It always worked nice for me.
[14:56] <ash_worksi> Is there a place I can set the default PS1 for all users?
[14:57] <nicomachus> bumblefuzz: you got ubuntu server 18.04 onto a RPI3?
[14:58] <bumblefuzz> tomreyn https://ubuntu.com/download/iot/raspberry-pi-2-3
[14:58] <bumblefuzz> nicomachus https://ubuntu.com/download/iot/raspberry-pi-2-3
[14:59] <nicomachus> huh.
[15:00] <nicomachus> bumblefuzz: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=945716
[15:01] <nicomachus> bumblefuzz: the rpi3 has some issues with the interfaces, especially ethernet and wifi. this may be a tricky bug for you to track down. if you don't NEED ubuntu server, the recommend software is raspbian and works OOTB. There is also specific rpi support at #raspberrypi
[15:06] <bumblefuzz> well, the wifi connects perfectly ONCE the ethernet cable is plugged in
[15:07] <nicomachus> bumblefuzz: yes... please see the link I shared.
[15:08] <bumblefuzz> so, I'm guessing it has to do with the mechanism that sets up the ethernet enabling the wifi to connect
[15:08] <nicomachus> I tried to re-mount my NFS shares on the client, and got an "access denied to server" error. I shouldn't have any access errors. the client hostname is specifically allowed in /etc/exports on the server.
[15:08] <nicomachus> bumblefuzz: again... yes. see the link I shared.
[15:09] <nicomachus> I'm even connected to the nfs server via ssh tunnel from the client, so I'm not sure how access is an issue here.
[15:09] <bumblefuzz> the link that you shared was written in 2016
[15:09] <bumblefuzz> I'm using ubuntu 18.04
[15:10] <bumblefuzz> also, my problem isn't the same as theirs
[15:10] <nicomachus> bumblefuzz: yes, and you're using hardware that is older than that.
[15:10] <bumblefuzz> the wifi will work when the ethernet is unplugged
[15:10] <bumblefuzz> but it only initializes after the ethernet is plugged in
[15:11] <bumblefuzz> I think this is something to do with service permissions or something
[15:11] <nicomachus> bumblefuzz: literally the same issue in the link. please read the thread and try some of the solutions and investigatory stuff.
[15:16] <tomreyn> bumblefuzz: ah sorry, i wasn't aware there's supported preinstalled server images for those.
[15:17] <bumblefuzz> this is nothing to do with that 2016 thread
[15:17] <bumblefuzz> ifupdown has been replaced by netplan in 18.04
[15:18] <bumblefuzz> this is to do with netplan
[15:18] <bumblefuzz> netplan setting up the ethernet connection somehow enables the wifi service
[15:19] <tomreyn> so does netplan use the systemd-networkd (default on 18.04+ server) or the network-manager renderer then?
[15:20] <tomreyn> default on a fresh installer based installation, that is, i don't know how it's setup on these images.
[15:21] <bumblefuzz> I don't even know how to check that
[15:21] <bumblefuzz> I have no experience with netplan
[15:21] <tomreyn> network-manager makes a lot more sense for wireless, i think systemd-networkd's capabilities in handling wireless ocnnections are limited
[15:21] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: "cat /etc/netplan/* | grep render"
[15:22] <bumblefuzz> TJ- no such file or directory
[15:22] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: then it is not using netplan
[15:23] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: "systemctl status NetworkManager"
[15:23] <tomreyn> journalctl -b should also say that systemd-networkd is either choosing to manage it or not. and if it doesn't then network-manager should say it's doing it
[15:23] <bumblefuzz> TJ- active(running)
[15:23] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: you should see "Active: active (running) ..." in that output if NM is handling network
[15:24] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: OK, so we're making progress
[15:25] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: just to check there isn't a conflict, check "systemctl status systemd-networkd", you should see "Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-networkd.service; disabled; ..." and "Active: inactive (dead)"
[15:25] <bumblefuzz> active(running)
[15:26] <bumblefuzz> networkd is activating the ethernet
[15:26] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: aha! so you've 2 separate tools both managing aspects of the network. My guess right now is NM is for Wifi and systemd-networkd for wired
[15:26] <bumblefuzz> it shows "eth0 DHCP4" and "wlan0 not managed by us"
[15:26] <bumblefuzz> right
[15:26] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: so firstly I'd recommend using only NM to avoid problems
[15:27] <bumblefuzz> I don't know how to set up an ethernet connection via nm
[15:27] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: but more specifically, to check why NM isn't bringing up wifi immediately, check its logs with "journalctl -u NetworkManager --since='yesterday' "
[15:28] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: same as for setting up wifi, but you probably need to override the NM policy that has it ignore wired connections
[15:29] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: so, to allow NM to manage wired interfaces do "sudo touch /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf"
[15:29] <bumblefuzz> I'm not 100% comfortable doing that yet since the only way to connect to the machine require networkd setting up the ethernet
[15:29] <bumblefuzz> which somehow allows the wifi
[15:30] <bumblefuzz> I'm doing this all via ssh
[15:30] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: OK ... let's get wifi to start automatically before we change that?
[15:30] <bumblefuzz> def
[15:31] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: find out the options of the wifi connection... specifically check it is set to be Available to all users, and is set to Automatically Connect. Use "nmtui", choose "Edit Connection", choose the wifi connection
[15:32] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: if you make changes use Tab key to choose the OK 'button' and so on to save those changes
[15:33] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: also, can you show us " pastebinit <( journalctl -b 0 -u NetworkManager ) "
[15:34] <bumblefuzz> so, nmtui shows autoconnect and available to all
[15:34] <bumblefuzz> I didn't have to change anything for that
[15:35] <bumblefuzz> installing pastebinit
[15:35] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zFJZVXFc9y/
[15:39] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: thanks, now I need to compare that to systemd-networkd, so " pastebinit <( journalctl -b 0 -u systemd-networkd.service ) "
[15:40] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kjmP3PqVsj/
[15:44] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: timings look to give clues. NM starts at 14:52:05 ... 5 seconds *after* SN reports "14:52:00 ubuntu systemd-networkd[1217]: eth0: Configured"
[15:45] <KOLANICH> Hello. Could anyone explain libdnf depends on libpython3.7 (>= 3.7.5); however: Version of libpython3.7:amd64 on system is 3.7.5~rc1-1. ?
[15:45] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: so right now it appears that NM service isn't started by systemd service until SD-ND sees a carrier
[15:45] <bumblefuzz> not sure what a carrier is
[15:46] <bumblefuzz> but it's obvious starting the ethernet connection somehow enables nm to start wifi
[15:46] <bumblefuzz> I'm learning a lot right now
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> KOLANICH: tell us some details what you are trying to do today please?
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> KOLANICH: ubuntu version is always handy to know
[15:47] <KOLANICH> lotuspsychje: I am trying to create a package. How are the versions of dependencies matched?
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> KOLANICH: we dont really support own compiling, but whats the real reason you are making the package?
[15:49] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: let's dig deeper. " pastebinit <( systemd-analyze critical-chain ) "
[15:49] <KOLANICH> lotuspsychje: I mean why 3.7.5~rc1~1 is not matched by >=3.7.5
[15:49] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: 'carrier' is the electronic signal that shows another network device is connected
[15:49] <KOLANICH> lotuspsychje: because there should be a package for that software.
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> KOLANICH: wich package are you trying to make work on wich ubuntu version?
[15:51] <TJ-> KOLANICH: because ~ has a special meaning of "less than"
[15:51] <bumblefuzz> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vf3H8pq95s/
[15:52] <KOLANICH> lotuspsychje: there is no deb package at all.
[15:53] <KOLANICH> TJ~: Thanks. Should I fix it like >3.7.4 ?
[15:53] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: no clue there, or rather, absense of a clue is the clue! My suspicion is systemd-networkd is waiting for the eth0 interface to come up and until cable is connected it can't reach network.target
[15:53] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: so again this is mostly to do with mixing network management tools
[15:54] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: lets see if we can find the SD-ND config file for eth0: "grep -rl eth /etc/systemd/network"
[15:56] <bumblefuzz> nothing
[15:56] <bumblefuzz> also, what's SD-ND
[15:56] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: short for SystemD-NetworkD
[15:56] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: saves me typing
[15:58] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: try "ls /etc/systemd/network/" -- any files listed?
[15:58] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: if not, try "ls /run/systemd/network/ "
[15:58]  * TJ- wonders if cloud-config is involved here
[15:58] <bumblefuzz> 2 files for the last one
[15:59] <bumblefuzz> there is a cloud config file for netplan
[16:00] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: ahhh!!
[16:01] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: show us " pastebinit <( grep . /etc/netplan/* /run/systemd/network/* ) "
[16:01] <bumblefuzz> so, there was no renderer line in the cloud config file
[16:01] <bumblefuzz> I just added " renderer: NetworkManager"
[16:01] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: so netplan is implicated, albeit from a cloud-init config. netplan renders a runtime only SD-ND config in /run/systemd/network/
[16:02] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: that'll break things. The default renderer is systemd-networkd
[16:02] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: and currently NM is configured NOT to touch wired interfaces
[16:02] <ash_worksi> what does `\[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]` do at the beginning of the default PS1 ?
[16:02] <bumblefuzz> sooo, I'll just change that back...
[16:02] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: so, to allow NM to manage wired interfaces do "sudo touch /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf"
[16:03] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: if you leave NM as the renderer and do this ^^^ that should make NM manage both wired and wireless
[16:03] <ash_worksi> I mean, I get \u@\h: \w\a expanding to "username@hostname: workdir[bell]"
[16:03] <ash_worksi> but it
[16:03] <ash_worksi> but it's wrapped in an escape sequence "
[16:03] <ash_worksi> omg, I cannot keep my fingers off "enter" today >:{
[16:04] <ash_worksi> anyway, between \[ and \]
[16:04] <bumblefuzz> adding the renderer line back in.....
[16:04] <TJ-> ash_worksi: I *think* \e]0; cancels any existing colour codes
[16:05] <ash_worksi> that's neat... but not what I mean
[16:05] <bumblefuzz> ok, so how to we test this in a way that I can definitely ssh back into
[16:05] <ash_worksi> the whole thing is within \[ \]... then theres a debian-chroot expansion, then the real \u\h\w stuff
[16:05] <ash_worksi> \[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$
[16:05] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: in *theory* now on reboot SD-ND will start but not manage any interface, and NM will start and manage both eth0 and wlan0
[16:05] <ash_worksi> is the whole thing
[16:06] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: the other option is to restart both services at the same time and hope!
[16:06] <ash_worksi> you can see in the "real deal" part that only colors are between \[ and \]
[16:06] <TJ-> ash_worksi: well \[ and \] are literal [ and ] characteres
[16:06] <bumblefuzz> I take it there's no way to ssh if we're wrong?
[16:07] <bumblefuzz> also nmcli still shows eth0: unmanaged
[16:07] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: stopping/restarting SD-ND shouldn't cause the wired interface to drop. But, I'm not sure how NM will behave if it finds eth0 already connected
[16:07] <ash_worksi> TJ-: that doesn't seem to be true
[16:07] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: it will ... until we tell the service to restart and it re-reads its config
[16:08] <bumblefuzz> so, what's the safest way to proceed
[16:08] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: which interface is the SSH on now? wired?
[16:08] <ash_worksi> TJ-: PS1='\[' results in no prompt; PS1='\[' is a literal [
[16:08] <bumblefuzz> if I can't ssh, I'll have to reflash and start from scratch
[16:08] <bumblefuzz> wifi
[16:08] <bumblefuzz> I can ssh into either
[16:08] <ash_worksi> is there a better channel for this?
[16:09] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: let me test here if restarting NM drops the existing wifi connection... stand by
[16:10] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: afraid it does drop and reconnect
[16:10] <bumblefuzz> but if I ssh into eth0?
[16:10] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: you've got the cable connected haven't you? so NM should restart wifi anyhoe
[16:10] <giaco> hello. I have an AT modem connected to /dev/ttyS0, it works with "sudo screen /dev/ttyS0 115200", but I want it to run as normal user, so I've added it to the dialout group
[16:11] <giaco> it has been working for a while but now it stopped
[16:11] <bumblefuzz> ethernet is connected
[16:11] <bumblefuzz> and I have 2 ip's: 1 for each interface
[16:11] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: also, you wouldn't need to re-flash as you put it - simply put the SD-card in another PC, mount the file-system, and edit the files.
[16:11] <bumblefuzz> so I can ssh into either
[16:11] <bumblefuzz> I only have windows machines here
[16:12] <bumblefuzz> and they can only read the boot partition
[16:12] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: OK ... I think, if we issue a single command to restart both SD-ND and NM at the same time it'll work
[16:12] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: ahhh!
[16:13] <giaco> /dev/ttyS0 is rw-rw---- root:dialout, but users in the dialout group keeps getting permission denied
[16:13] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: you DID use that 'touch ...' command earlier didn't you? check that file exists with "ls /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/ " and make sure you see '10-globally-managed-devices.conf'
[16:13] <TJ-> giaco: what does "groups | grep dialout" report ?
[16:13] <bumblefuzz> 10-globally-managed-devices.conf  default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[16:14] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: good - that file cancel's the default NM setting that has it ignore wired interfaces, so NM should try to manage eth0.
[16:15] <giaco> TJ-: <myuser> adm dialout cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare docker
[16:16] <giaco> TJ-: so it is there. Also "id" confirms it in current shell
[16:17] <bumblefuzz> so sudo systemctl restart systemd-networkd NetworkManager ??
[16:18] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: so, if you set the netplan renderer to 'NetworkManager', I think this single command-line will do it all  "sudo netplan apply; sudo systemctl restart systemd-networkd && sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager"
[16:18] <bumblefuzz> do I have to "netplan generate" ?
[16:18] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: HOWEVER, before you do that, lets manually delete the current SD-ND files
[16:18] <bumblefuzz> k
[16:19] <giaco> TJ-: wait a moment. Now suddenly they are working agains
[16:19] <giaco> I don't understan
[16:19] <TJ-> bumblefuzz:  no, 'generate' is included in 'apply' -- "sudo rm /run/systemd/network/*" to delete those runtime configs before SD-ND is restarted
[16:20] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: then the  "sudo netplan apply; sudo systemctl restart systemd-networkd && sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager"
[16:21] <TJ-> giaco: weird!
[16:21] <giaco> TJ-: very weird
[16:22] <giaco> TJ-: I smell systemd
[16:23] <TJ-> giaco: was it access-denied specifically to /dev/ttyS0 or to some file screen needs access to? running screen as sudo may be writing files with 'root' ownership in the $USER home directory, so when screen is then run by $USER it cannot access those
[16:23] <bumblefuzz> TJ- all done; still connected
[16:24] <TJ-> giaco: did you try "strace -f screen /dev/ttys0 115200" and see where it gets the Denied from
[16:24] <bumblefuzz> nmcli shows both interfaces
[16:24] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: progress then :)
[16:24] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: is NM reporting it has activated both as well?
[16:25] <bumblefuzz> not sure about that but eth0 doesn't say unmanaged
[16:25] <bumblefuzz> it shows the ip
[16:25] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: generally the activated connections are shown in green text from "nmcli con"
[16:25] <bumblefuzz> right
[16:26] <bumblefuzz> then, yes
[16:26] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: :)
[16:26] <bumblefuzz> it shows a 3rd connection netplan-eth0
[16:26] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: in theory then, even when cable is not connected, wifi should connect
[16:26] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: eeek
[16:27] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: is the netplan-eth0 showing as 'green' connected, or just an 'eth0' or "Wired Connection 1" ?
[16:27] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: probably best to show me "pastebinit <( nmcli con )"
[16:27] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kvTrXpn7XY/
[16:28] <bumblefuzz> the first 2 are green
[16:28] <bumblefuzz> the 3rd is white
[16:29] <heller_> hey
[16:29] <heller_> how can i install ubuntu to two 1Tb disk with mdraid1 ?
[16:30] <heller_> It requires me to have a separate boot partition?
[16:31] <bumblefuzz> is it safe to delete the netplan-eth0 connection?
[16:31] <bumblefuzz> and leave the eth0 connection?
[16:31] <giaco> TJ-: sadly I cannot reproduce now
[16:35] <whislock> heller_: Which version are you trying to install?
[16:36] <heller_> 18
[16:36] <ash_worksi> TJ-: eureka
[16:36] <ash_worksi> it sets the "icon name and window title"
[16:39] <whislock> heller_: Using the live installer media?
[16:39] <ash_worksi> TJ-: so I found out what it does
[16:39] <ash_worksi> TJ-: it sets the "Icon Name and Window Title"
[16:40] <OerHeks> heller_, see the raid wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/advanced-installation.html
[16:40] <ash_worksi> TJ-: \e is a literal escape to start an xterm escape sequence
[16:42] <whislock> heller_: If you want to boot from an mdadm raid1, you'll need the alternative server installer. See the link that OerHeks posted.
[16:42] <ash_worksi> TJ-: the ]n;x\a part is the format for setting text parameters in xterm
[16:44] <ash_worksi> TJ-: where n designates what to change and x is what you're changing it to
[17:04] <quesker> why doesn't logging out and back in update my groups?
[17:05] <sarnold> how did you change your groups?
[17:06] <quesker> installing libvirt added me to one of them somehow, the other I edited /etc/group
[17:07] <quesker> su - myself picks them up.  but logging out and back in from the gui does not
[17:09] <tomreyn> i don't remember the details, but i think that logging out graphically (returning to the login manager) is no longer sufficient to apply those changes because the systemd session continues to be active at this point?
[17:09] <quesker> keyword there.  systemd
[17:10] <sarnold> tomreyn: ew really? so .. if you log in via ssh from elsewhere, what's ps auxw on that login manager report?
[17:11] <tomreyn> sarnold: i am maybe misremembering this. but it was something along these lines. i would not expect a process other than the shell running though in your scenario.
[17:11] <tomreyn> for the same restricted user
[17:11] <tomreyn> i'm just spreading FUD, lets test it
[17:11] <sarnold> lol
[17:12] <tomreyn> sorry :/
[17:15] <tomreyn> so *maybe* the user owned "/lib/systemd/systemd --user" process keeps running?
[17:15] <tomreyn> i didn't login by ssh but on a different tty
[17:16] <quesker> systemd --user   there are 2, one gdm and one me
[17:16] <quesker> maybe I should log out and see
[17:17] <tomreyn> well those processes really swpan upon login to the tty for me, so no processes keep running as this user. but i do seem to remember that something changes with respect to how far you need to go to apply group changes
[17:18] <quesker> both still there after logout
[17:19] <quesker> I guess I can kill mine and see what happens
[17:19] <tomreyn> oh okay, so maybe my hunch wasn't wrong.
[17:20] <quesker> yep now I am in the groups
[17:20] <tomreyn> by the way, you should have used "sudo adduser $USER somegroup" or "vigr" to modify the group database, not edit /etc/group directly.
[17:20] <quesker> does apt-get modify groups?  I didn't edit it directly for that one
[17:21] <tomreyn> installing new packages and removing them can create and remove groups, yes
[17:21] <quesker> well I didn't pick that one up either
[17:22] <tomreyn> hmm, you did not pick up what?
[17:22] <quesker> I think someone loves windows so much they want to make you reboot for any change at all
[17:22] <quesker> that group, on logout/in
[17:22] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1045993/after-adding-a-group-logoutlogin-is-not-enough-in-18-04
[17:23] <quesker> I just wanted a no hassle way to mess with qemu.  every time I have tried this distro over the years I have instantly regretted it
[17:23] <tomreyn> sarnold: ^ trying to save my honesty here
[17:23] <sarnold> tomreyn: nice find, thanks <3
[17:24] <quesker> anyway thanks for the process to kill
[17:28] <tomreyn> you're both welcome and i'm relieved. ;)
[17:30] <ash_worksi> I know this is more of a chromium issue (good luck getting anyone answers in a google channel) but my chromium icons are suddenly very tiny as of about a week ago
[17:31] <ash_worksi> googling `background chromium tiny icon` doesn't get me anywhere close to a suggestion
[17:32] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: icons where? can you share a screenshot? and your ubuntu version=?
[17:32] <ash_worksi> next to the clock
[17:32] <ash_worksi> erm
[17:32] <ash_worksi> right of the clock
[17:32] <tomreyn> on my screen, to the right of the clock there's my screen edge
[17:32] <ash_worksi> next to the network/sound/battery/dropdown arrow in the top right
[17:33] <ash_worksi> it's 18.04
[17:33] <tomreyn> mine, too ;) also gnome-shell, yes.
[17:33] <tomreyn> i'll check how it is by default, maybe that will help
[17:34] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: its like this by default:https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/img_5ade543db175a.png.pagespeed.ce.SQH18Q9MqV.png
[17:34] <tomreyn> so the clock is centered on the top panel by default
[17:34] <ash_worksi> yeah
[17:34] <tomreyn> and to the right of the clock you have application icons?
[17:34] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: yes, skype for example
[17:35] <tomreyn> is this some gnome-shell-extension doing this?
[17:35] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: like so: https://www.lifewire.com/thmb/4aw0tXPha1K2PXXTD3ejz6b8xPA=/768x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/ubuntuskype-56a5ab213df78cf772895555.png
[17:35] <ash_worksi> um... hmm.. idr
[17:35] <tomreyn> ah those would be indicators or something
[17:35] <ash_worksi> ah
[17:36] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what gnome-shell calls it ;)
[17:36] <ash_worksi> well, indicator icons I think is close
[17:36] <ash_worksi> any suggestions? perhaps on what to google for tiny icons
[17:37] <ash_worksi> what used to look like a chromium icon is now white dot the size of a period (with a blue stroke about .5 that size)
[17:39] <ash_worksi> I guess I could try purging the package and reinstalling
[17:39] <ash_worksi> I feel like I'll loose some customizations though
[17:39] <ash_worksi> idk
[17:39] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: so i just installed chromium-browser on 18.04.3 nad it doesn't show up as an icon there
[17:39] <tomreyn> it only shows up as a running application top left
[17:40] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: https://i.imgur.com/xSCOXk6.png
[17:40] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: the chromium icon appears only when there are chrome applications running in the background (if they are allowed to without the browser open)
[17:40] <tomreyn> that's a fresh 18.04.3 installation
[17:40] <tomreyn> oh ok
[17:41] <tomreyn> can you give an example for such applications, ideally ones which don't require registration?
[17:41] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: google hangouts?
[17:42] <tomreyn> i thinkthis does require registration
[17:42] <ash_worksi> I actually don't use it for any other reason :\ (but it's nice to have there so you can exit everything with 1 selection)
[17:43] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: I mean, anything that would make sense will all be tied to the google user's account, so probably not :\
[17:43] <tomreyn> you use it, you should know :)
[17:43] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: yeah, but just for hangouts :P
[17:44] <ash_worksi> (which, btw, is also tiny)
[17:44] <tomreyn> it does require login, just checked
[17:44] <ash_worksi> (compared to a week or so ago)
[17:45] <ash_worksi> "probably not :\" => "there probably isn't any google app that would show an indicator which doesn't require a login"
[17:46] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: so my guess is that *maybe* you replaced the chromium-browser debian (.deb) package installed through apt by the chromium-browser snap.
[17:46] <tomreyn> ..and that the snap displays those differently
[17:46] <tomreyn> but that's really just a wild guess
[17:47] <ash_worksi> it's better than no guess at all, but that would have to have happened completely inadvertantly
[17:48] <ash_worksi> interestingly I think this happened about the time they added the distiller icon to the URL bar
[17:48] <ash_worksi> infact
[17:48] <ash_worksi> nvm
[17:48] <ash_worksi> I was going to say I think I enabled something in the chrome settings which was tempermental
[17:48] <ash_worksi> specifically for distilling
[17:48] <ash_worksi> but I think I only did that on chrome-mobile on my phone
[17:50] <ash_worksi> there was one change I made to the launcher button
[17:50] <ash_worksi> where selecting "new window" always asks which profile
[17:50] <ash_worksi> (instead of opening in the last used profile)
[17:51] <ash_worksi> idk
[17:51] <ash_worksi> :|
[17:51] <ash_worksi> thanks for the attempt tomreyn
[17:51] <ash_worksi> r/thereWasAnAttempt
[18:05] <LuckyMan> so, who is going to Ubuncon Europe?
[18:07] <tomreyn> LuckyMan: this is just a support channel really, there's #ubuntu-discuss and (not applicable here #ubuntu-offtopic) also
[18:08] <LuckyMan> sorry
[18:08] <tomreyn> no worries, hope you'll still go ;)
[18:11] <repz> hi there, does anybody know if it's possible to retrieve the CI/build steps for a package on launchpad ?
[18:12] <tomreyn> repz: maybe that's a question for #launchpad (but read the channel topic first) or #ubuntu-devel
[18:12] <repz> hmm ok, thanks
[18:25] <TJ-> repz: launchpad builders use sbuild, which utilises schroot
[18:27] <repz> that's what i see, I was a hoping to finsd 'simple' CI biuld step
[18:31] <twobitsprite> is there a way to tell how recently a package was last updated in the repos? i.e, if I'm curious how "new" an upgradable package is....
[18:32] <tomreyn> twobitsprite: apt changelog PACKAGENAME
[18:33] <tomreyn> this only tells you when the package was built, but it usually gets released shortly after that
[18:37] <TJ-> repz: well, once local sbuild is configured with the required release, just "sbuild -d <release>-<arch>" in the package source directory  - see http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/setting-up-sbuild.html
[18:37] <TJ-> repz: sbuild can be integrated with Jenkins etc. too
[18:43] <repz> alright thanks
[18:54] <thebishop> hi friends, i have a cloud hosted VM running ubuntu 18.04.  it cannot completely boot due to an fstab error, but i don't have the root password to log into a web ui (using ssh keys for access).  is there any kernel option i can enter in grub to bypass fstab, or maybe is it possible to edit the fstab file from the grub command line?
[18:56] <tomreyn> thebishop: boot to recovery, or use init=/bin/bash kernel parameter in the grub menu
[18:56] <thebishop> tomreyn, thanks i'm trying that now
[18:56] <tomreyn> thebishop: is there a root password at all? normally there would be none
[18:57] <thebishop> tomreyn, there might not be.  i didn't provision the server, but typically we make an "ubuntu" user with a strong, and then throw out the password once we have the pubkeys configured
[18:57] <thebishop> *strongpass
[18:58] <lordcirth_> If no root password is set (the default) then IIRC recovery will let you get a root shell.
[18:58] <tomreyn> right, a restricted user with sudo access and root without a password would be the 'ubuntu way'
[18:59] <thebishop> interesting lordcirth_ i wasn't seeing that.  the emergency shell was asking for a root password or "control+D to continue"
[18:59] <TJ-> thebishop: do you know which mount device is the problem?
[19:00] <thebishop> TJ-, yep, if i can get in i know what to change
[19:00] <thebishop> i just did a secure delete with hdparm and reboot without changing the mount options
[19:01] <TJ-> thebishop: you can disable systemd-fstab-generator entirely (thus ignoring all fstab entries) with "fstab=no" on the kernel command line from GRUB menu
[19:01] <thebishop> TJ-, oh that might be exactly what i need
[19:02] <thebishop> booted with init=/bin/bash now, and root is read only so i can't modify the file.  might be able to get past it by making a valid partition on the disk (appears that the secure wipe was successful :D), but skipping fstab would be better
[19:02] <TJ-> thebishop: "mount -o remount,rw /"
[19:02] <thebishop> TJ-, thanks, lemme try
[19:03] <thebishop> phew looks like it worked.  i should've known that one tbh
[19:03] <wilornel[m]> Hi #ubuntu! I'm back with questions on how to setup Ubuntu AMIs
[19:06] <leftyfb> wilornel[m]: you probably want #ubuntu-server
[19:09] <heller_> im using this image ubuntu-18.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso
[19:09] <heller_> sorry had to go afk
[19:14] <lordcirth_> heller_, are you trying to install with BIOS or EFI?
[19:14] <heller_> currently in vmware
[19:15] <tomreyn> this does not seem to answer the question.
[19:18] <lordcirth_> heller_, also, why do you need to use mdraid inside a VM?
[19:19] <heller_> testing before installing
[19:21] <wilornel[m]> leftyfb: thanks tons
[19:21] <lordcirth_> heller_, ok. so, BIOS or EFI?
[19:35] <nuala> some easy sound equaliser for ubuntu 18.04 (base box could soon angry neighbours <,< ) … pulseaudio-equalizer is kinda hmmmmm… 70MB install, msql dependency… rly? <.<
[19:35] <nuala> *mysql-common
[19:36] <giaco> hello
[19:37] <lordcirth_> nuala, --no-install-recommends ?
[19:37] <lordcirth_> giaco, welcome
[19:37] <giaco> my laptop doesn't see sdcards anymore. It was working 2 weeks ago
[19:37] <giaco> lsusb says: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:0129 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTS5129 Card Reader Controller
[19:38] <giaco> my dmesg is silent when I insert a sd card
[19:38] <tomreyn> nuala: there's no dependency of pulseaudio-equalizer on mysql-common on ubuntu 18.04 LTS amd64
[19:38] <lordcirth_> giaco, did you make any config changes or major updates?
[19:38] <giaco> same sdcard is working on another pc
[19:38] <giaco> lordcirth_: no, just followed proposed updates, no other issues
[19:39] <lordcirth_> giaco, I bet your SD card reader is just broken, or internally unplugged.
[19:40] <giaco> lordcirth_: but I see it in lsusb
[19:41] <ioria> giaco, try to reboot with the card inserted
[19:42] <giaco> ioria: ok
[19:42] <nuala> lordcirth_: tomreyn  ty TIL :)  …anyhow still 65… *eyes libqt4*
[19:42] <nuala> (65mb)
[19:43] <tomreyn> nuala: what size is your storage? how expensive is storage?
[19:44] <giaco> ioria: done, now I see the sdcard. What happened?
[19:45] <ioria> giaco, rtsx issue; the RTS5129 has been removed from the kernel
[19:46] <giaco> ioria: is it a module now?
[19:46] <tomreyn> nuala: ubuntu 19.10 will have https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/pulseeffects available, which does not depend on libqt*
[19:46] <ioria> giaco, should be the 'rtsx ' module
[19:46] <tomreyn> nuala: until then, you could use a PPA https://github.com/wwmm/pulseeffects/wiki/Package-Repositories#debian--ubuntu
[19:48] <nuala> ty
[19:54] <crised> I can't change the layout of the keyboard (I want to have 2), ubuntu 19 here. I get a weird message about imbus
[19:55] <lordcirth_> crised, please provide the exact message.
[19:55] <crised>   Available input methods: https://gist.github.com/crised/d225acc18d0b584af36cc5b9a2b1e773
[19:56] <giaco> well, I've solved the sdcard problem with a reboot. Same reboot broke my hdmi external monitor functionality
[19:56] <giaco> it is so fun to use linux
[19:56] <giaco> usual time waste
[20:24] <shreds> Hi! I'm using systemd' standardoutput to get logs of one of my services. But when I restart the service it does not clear the log entirely. There's parts remaining in the file, it's like the file gets overwritten line by line and there's lines from before the restart at the bottom. Does anyone knows how to make sure the log gets cleaned when systemctl restart is called?
[20:31] <lordcirth_> shreds, do you mean that you are configuring the service's stdout to be logged by journald?
[20:32] <shreds> @lordcirth_ yes I created a service in /etc/systemd/system/ and I use StandardOutput=file:/var/log/test.log to get the output logged
[20:35] <lordcirth_> shreds, hmm, systemd.exec does say that it doesn't truncate
[20:35] <lordcirth_> shreds, alternatively, you could use append: to keep appending rather than overwriting?
[20:38] <shreds> oh ok I did not know that, I'll check these docs. I wish it would clean before writing but appending would still be better than what I have now hehe
[20:40] <lordcirth_> I was reading here, btw: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html
[20:40] <lordcirth_> You can of course also read the manpage locally.
[20:40] <shreds> just found the same
[20:41] <shreds> oh these are available through man as well? how? man systemd.exec? lemme try
[20:41] <shreds> oh nice!
[20:42] <shreds> I didn't know where to look for these particular docs since systemd is so huge
[20:42] <shreds> thx for the help
[20:46] <lordcirth_> No problem.
[20:48] <LLIypuk> evening. Where do someone to ask questions regarding ubuntu mini.iso installer?
[20:50] <Sven_vB> probably here, also depends on the version. do you have a link to the mini iso info page?
[20:51] <LLIypuk> 19.04
[20:52] <LLIypuk> info page? smth new, i guess. No, i don't have such a link
[20:52] <LLIypuk> are you referring to download page?
[20:56] <LLIypuk> Sven_vB, ?
[20:59] <Sven_vB> I'm not sure, but the download page probably has at least some info.
[20:59] <LLIypuk> :)
[21:00] <wonko> How does git.launchpad work? Can I fork a project and submit PRs like you can with other git services?
[21:00] <sarnold> shreds: btw there's a systemd.index(7) manpage too :D
[21:01] <sarnold> shreds: I *really* wish there were a systemd-all-in-one manpage, there's too many bloody docs and I almost never find what I want in the first one or two manpages :(
[21:02] <shreds> thanks for letting me know sarnold! that'll be useful! I wish the same thing about the all-in-one manpage hehehehe
[21:02] <Sven_vB> LLIypuk, basically any page that could help lurkers identify what iso you're talking about.
[21:03] <LLIypuk> Sven_vB, talking about http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/disco/ ?
[21:04] <LLIypuk> am talking about http://<regional_code>.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/disco/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ file
[21:13] <tomreyn> LLIypuk: so what's your question?
[21:26] <hypercore> could having 0K swap cause apps to not work?
[21:27] <Sven_vB> hypercore, yes, ones that need more RAM than you have, and of course defective ones.
[21:28] <hypercore> Sven_vB: cool thanks, how can i give myself swap and how much should i give?
[21:29] <Sven_vB> hypercore, you can create swap partitions with partition managers like gparted. you can activate/deactivate them with swapon and swapoff. I prefer to have no swap at all, and instead pack enough physical RAM.
[21:29] <Sven_vB> hypercore, you can use other swap storages like files, but that may be really slow due to overhead if the storage method isn't optimized for swapping.
[21:30] <hypercore> Sven_vB: thing is my server isn't showing that i'm using any ram, like 1% or something
[21:30] <hypercore> sorry 1.5/4GB is used
[21:30] <hypercore> CPU is at 2%
[21:31] <Sven_vB> hypercore, that's odd. maybe it hasen't been used much yet? after a while, usually all your RAM should be in use. (in linux, RAM being "used" can still be avaiable for use.)
[21:31] <hggdh> hypercore: what exactly was the error you saw?
[21:31] <hypercore> Sven_vB: is ram allocated even when it's not being used?
[21:32] <sarnold> hypercore: you can create a swapfile; the kernel can make significantly better memory management decisions if you have one, but it doesn't need to be large. one gigabyte should be sufficient for most people
[21:32] <bogdomania> Hi folks, I;m in trouble.. ( I know is not the designated channel.. but..) I just managed to install linux mint (mate) on my lenovo ideapad ( due to no space for updates on Win 10 ) all works ok, just the touchpad stops working after a while after booting in to desktop. It recovers if I use the mouse utility ( via Tab and check/uncheck tactile
[21:32] <bogdomania> area/zone field). And yes, I have search google ( I even tried linuxmint channel ), I installed --reinstalled xorg-input-libinput, synaptic, etc. No luck, whatsoever. Any advice?
[21:32] <hypercore> hggdh: i'm running a drone ci server, but it's stuck on "pending"
[21:32] <tomreyn> bogdomania: install ubuntu, then we can help you, too.
[21:33] <Sven_vB> hypercore, explained wrongly for simplification: linux tries to not waste effort to actively "free up" RAM, it only has a list of which RAM isn't needed anymore. when some process wants more RAM, it can grab some from there.
[21:34] <bogdomania> tomreyn, I would gladly, but it seems the touchpad problem ( after googled it) is only on debian based distros...
[21:34] <hggdh> hypercore: is it currently in "pending"? If so, do you still have a lot of memory free?
[21:34] <Sven_vB> hypercore, for details, see "man free"
[21:35] <tomreyn> bogdomania: ubuntu is a debian derivative, mint is an ubuntu derivative. then why would you use mint?
[21:35] <hypercore> hggdh: htop never shows my memory being at 100%, or even that cose
[21:35] <hypercore> *cloes
[21:35] <hypercore> *close
[21:36] <bogdomania> tomreyn, I wasnt aware of the problem, until after the install
[21:36] <hggdh> hypercore: then it would stand to reason it is not a memory starvation issue
[21:37] <tomreyn> bogdomania: i see. i doubt this is only an issue on debian derivatives, though. anyways, until you run ubuntu we won't be able to support you here (or try to do so). there's also ##linux if you can't get support in the channel of the distro you chose to install.
[21:38] <bogdomania> fair enough, I will install ubuntu
[21:38] <bogdomania> is MATE ok, as DE?
[21:38] <bogdomania> since I have a low power cpu
[21:39] <hypercore> hggdh: think it might be
[21:39] <hypercore> man servers aren't cheap
[21:40] <hypercore> surely 4GB would be enough to handle a couple of apps
[21:41] <hggdh> hypercore: then the easiest way to check is to create a swapfile, and see what happens. If your server has 4G of main memory, try a swapfile of 2G
[21:42] <LLIypuk> tomreyn, sorry, been away for a while. There is that nice installer option - "Encrypt home directory" (unmarked by default)
[21:43] <tomreyn> LLIypuk: welcome back. this is not a question, though.
[21:43] <LLIypuk> tomreyn, enabling that option your couldn't login after fresh install
[21:43] <LLIypuk> how come? - thay is the questing
[21:44] <LLIypuk> that*
[21:44] <tomreyn> LLIypuk: yes. so you got the decryption passphrase prompt during boot, and entered it, and then what happened?
[21:45] <LLIypuk> bogdomania, low power cpu? xubuntu would be great (btw, my choice - i've got intel e7200 core 2 duo)
[21:45] <LLIypuk> tomreyn, i =don't= have that prompt
[21:46] <tomreyn> bogdomania: mate should work, too, yes
[21:46] <bogdomania> LLIypuk, xfce doesn't work by default with multimedia keys, on my keyboard :)
[21:46] <LLIypuk> just plain gui xubuntu login session screen
[21:46] <bogdomania> mate & gnome do
[21:46] <LLIypuk> bogdomania, man xmodmap
[21:46] <hggdh> LLIypuk: you encrypted the *home* directory, not the root, correct?
[21:47] <LLIypuk> bogdomania, i mean, google://xmodmap examples
[21:47] <LLIypuk> hggdh, yeah
[21:49] <hypercore> hggdh: hmm i set my swap to 2GB, still not working
[21:49] <B|ack0p> hi
[21:49] <hypercore> i think if i remove one of the apps i'm using, it will work again
[21:49] <B|ack0p> i am having some errors on dmesg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HV9qh7BPyH/
[21:49] <tomreyn> LLIypuk: so you're saying you installed using ubuntu 19.04 mini.iso, and there was some option to have full disk encryption there, which you enabled (was this manual partitioning or just a yes/no switch?) and you set your passphrase by entering it twice then, and after the installation was done and the system rebooted, there was no passphrase prompt and it just booted up to the login prompt?
[21:49] <tomreyn> oh you encrypted home, not root, ok
[21:50] <B|ack0p> mostly: [23807.943973] mei_me 0000:00:03.0: timer: init clients timeout hbm_state = 3.
[21:50] <B|ack0p> [23807.943989] mei_me 0000:00:03.0: unexpected reset: dev_state = INIT_CLIENTS fw status =
[21:50] <B|ack0p> Could not read FW version
[21:50] <B|ack0p> ..
[21:50] <tomreyn> hggdh: does mini.iso even support ecryptfs?
[21:51] <tomreyn> LLIypuk: do you know which type of encryption you used? ecryptsfs (file system encryption) or dmcrypt-LUKS?
[21:51] <tomreyn> the latter is block device encrpytion
[21:51] <LLIypuk> tomreyn, there were no choice back there
[21:52] <tomreyn> LLIypuk: but did you do manual partitioning?
[21:54] <LLIypuk> tomreyn, no, the whole disk was occupied by ext4 root partition
[21:54] <LLIypuk> actually. it's a qemu image
[21:54] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: i think mei_me is the Intel ME interface. If you want Linux to work with and it (apparently) currently can't then you may need to install a BIOS/UEFI upgrade.
[21:55] <B|ack0p> tomreyn: bios already up to date :/
[21:56] <tomreyn> LLIypuk: hmm, have you considered using the full desktop or server installer instead?
[21:56] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: okay, then i guess you can try to blacklist the module, or just keep it as it is - it shouldn't do any harm.
[21:57] <B|ack0p> tomreyn: blacklist how?
[21:57] <LLIypuk> tomreyn, i'm using xubuntu 19.04 live right now, no encrytion. Was just curios about that enc stuff, desided to give a shot it with qemu
[21:58] <LLIypuk> smth went wrong :)
[22:00] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: echo -e "blacklist mei\nblacklist mei_me" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-mei.conf >/dev/null
[22:01] <B|ack0p> tomreyn: as root?
[22:01] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: no, note the 'sudo'
[22:01] <B|ack0p> thank you tomreyn
[22:01] <tomreyn> LLIypuk: i would not recommend ecryptfs for new installations. dmcrypt-luks is fine
[22:02] <tomreyn> you're welcome, B|ack0p
[22:02] <B|ack0p> nothing changed still getting mei_me errors
[22:02] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: you rebooted already?
[22:03] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: i think i should have said thatr you need to
[22:03] <B|ack0p> no reboot
[22:03] <B|ack0p> let me reboot
[22:03] <B|ack0p> thanks again
[22:03] <LLIypuk> tomreyn, would it be wise if i ask to take a look at some logs?
[22:04] <LLIypuk> ask you*
[22:05] <tomreyn> LLIypuk: there should be a /var/log/installer* log file on the target device. i'm a bit tired and would likely miss something important, but you could have a look at it and then ask about things which look like errors.
[22:06] <tomreyn> but so far i'm not even sure there was an error (you could note down the exact process you took while installing so we could try to rreproduce it)
[22:07] <LLIypuk> there were no error during installation
[22:08] <tomreyn> LLIypuk: then i don't think we need to review any logs?
[22:08] <tomreyn> LLIypuk: maybe i'm just failing to understand wat you're telling me since i'm tired, sorry if so.
[22:09] <LLIypuk> tomreyn, auth.log might be of interest
[22:10] <LLIypuk> tomreyn, there is no urgency, we could postpone that issue
[22:10] <tomreyn> okay. if oyu can sum up what you're trying to do and what's not working as expected again here maybe someone else can help out.
[22:14] <B|ack0p> after blacklist i am getting mei_me error again:
[22:14] <B|ack0p> [    4.871842] mei mei::55213584-9a29-4916-badf-0fb7ed682aeb:01: Could not read FW version
[22:14] <B|ack0p> [    4.871847] mei mei::55213584-9a29-4916-badf-0fb7ed682aeb:01: FW version command failed -5
[22:14] <B|ack0p> only 1 error about it
[22:15] <B|ack0p> another error is about bluetooth since bluetooth is working i dont know why i am getting this error:
[22:15] <B|ack0p> [    6.116479] bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd failed with error -2
[22:15] <B|ack0p> [    6.116482] Bluetooth: hci0: BCM: Patch brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd not found
[22:15] <Mekely> i love ubuntu
[22:15] <Mekely> just wanted to say that
[22:15] <Mekely> <3
[22:15] <B|ack0p> Mekely: who doesnt :p
[22:16] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: The bluetooth may need that firmware file for full functionality
[22:16] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: how can i install firmware for linux?
[22:16] <Mekely> so i work at a cafe as a barista and i actually have noticed they run some modified version of ubunut on the registers
[22:16] <Mekely> its a simple gui
[22:16] <Mekely> ubuntu*
[22:17] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: copy https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware/raw/master/brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd to /lib/firmware/brcm
[22:18] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: thx
[22:18] <Mekely> does the raspberry pi 3 come out of the box with a chipset that supports monitor mode?
[22:18] <B|ack0p> cp -r ?
[22:18] <Mekely> i have seen some firmware updates that makes it support it but i have yet to see a simple no.
[22:18] <Mekely> i want to assume it does.
[22:19] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: cd /lib/firmware/brcm && sudo wget https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware/raw/master/brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd
[22:20] <sarnold> Mekely: what's monitor mode?
[22:21] <jeremy31> sarnold: I think something needed for kali tools
[22:21] <Mekely> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monitor_mode
[22:21] <Mekely> yeah its for kali
[22:21] <sarnold> aha, interesting
[22:21] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: should i reboot?
[22:21] <B|ack0p> still getting error on dmesg
[22:21] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: yes reboot
[22:22]  * Mekely is aware she is prolly going to get made fun of for using kali, dont worry its not always in root.
[22:22] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: thx a lot !
[22:22] <B|ack0p> brb to reboot
[22:22] <Mekely> bye!
[22:22] <jeremy31> Mekely: this in not support for kali
[22:23] <Mekely> is it supported for raspdebian?
[22:23] <Mekely> i can litterally get all the programs kali has on any debian based system.
[22:23] <lordcirth_> Mekely, this channel only supports Ubuntu and official Ubuntu flavors.
[22:24] <Mekely> oh im sorry.
[22:24] <Mekely> is there a raspberry pi based channel?
[22:25] <jeremy31> Mekely: search the internet as there is likely a rasp pi and kali room on freenode
[22:25] <cpare> Help - All of my browsers (Chrome, Firefox) are crashing multiple times daily, I did a complete re-install hoping to resolve this issue, but it was back almost immediately
[22:26] <Mekely> the ubuntu wsl doesnt support zooming in and out while in nano?
[22:27] <sarnold> Mekely: heh, 'zooming'? :)
[22:28] <hggdh> tomreyn: don't know, but think not
[22:28] <Mekely> i want to edit my irssi config on it and im on a mouse pad it wont let my zoom out so i cant select all the config at one time and copy and pasta my config in
[22:28] <Mekely> for the first time i might have to use something besides nano!
[22:28] <Mekely> :crying face:
[22:29] <sarnold> Mekely: ahhhhh, I *think* I get it.. try cat, maybe your terminal will let you scroll to select the whole thing
[22:30] <sarnold> Mekely: most X terminals let you start your selection at the top of the content and then use the right mouse button to *extend* the selection to that point, so you don't have to keep scrolling to get the whole thing. but I'm not sure if WSL terminals do that correctly or not
[22:31] <Mekely> i have accidentally zoomed in now on my webroswer
[22:31] <Mekely> this is annoying lol
[22:36] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: thx a lot! it works
[22:36] <B|ack0p> :)
[22:37] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: one of the two things I am useful for, wifi and bluetooth
[22:38] <B|ack0p> thank you :) i am having wifi problem too but not sure if it s because of ubuntu or not
[22:39] <B|ack0p> after sleep mode it takes too long to reconnect to wifi
[22:39] <B|ack0p> i dont know why
[22:44] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: see https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2354328&p=13614520&#post13614520
[22:50] <B|ack0p> maybe it is related with thinkpad TLP power management
[22:52] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: TLP is not installed by default.  Wifi power management causes some strange issues at times
[23:03] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: thx
[23:03] <B|ack0p> how can i connect 2 laptops wirelessly for file sharing?
[23:03] <B|ack0p> on same wifi?
[23:04] <B|ack0p> when i check ifconfig it shows several ips on wl3  inet:192... netmask:255... broadcast:192...
[23:04] <B|ack0p> i take inet for server and client
[23:04] <B|ack0p> when i do "ssh ip" it gives "no route to host" error
[23:05] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: do you have ssh client installed
[23:06] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: yes both installed openssh-server and openssh-client
[23:06] <B|ack0p> on both machines
[23:06] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: I think it needs ssh user@ip
[23:07] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: i tried that also "ssh user@ip 22"
[23:07] <B|ack0p> but same error
[23:07] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: do you have a wifi router?
[23:08] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: i have standard adsl router which provided by ISP
[23:08] <B|ack0p> TP Link or something
[23:09] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: is the netmask and broadcast the same in ifconfig on the 2 computers
[23:09] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: nope
[23:09] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: sorry let me check
[23:10] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: yes same
[23:10] <B|ack0p> netmask and broadcast same for both machines - just inet is different
[23:10] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: use the inet of the other machine for the IP address for ssh
[23:10] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: getting same error
[23:11] <B|ack0p> no route to host
[23:11] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: can you ping the other machine?
[23:11] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: how to ping? ping ip ?
[23:11] <jeremy31> in terminal ping -c3 IPaddress
[23:12] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: Destination Host Unreachable
[23:12] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: using UFW?  Any ports blocked on the router?
[23:12] <B|ack0p> hmm not sure
[23:13] <B|ack0p> i dont think so
[23:13] <B|ack0p> i dont remember installing ufq
[23:13] <B|ack0p> ufw
[23:16] <jeremy31> B|ack0p: I haven't had any issues with ssh on my local network with Ubuntu, so I am running out of ideas
[23:17] <Bashing-om> B|ack0p: WIFI enabled in the modem/router ?
[23:17] <B|ack0p> :/
[23:17] <B|ack0p> thx
[23:18] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: ofcourse.. i am connected to internet wireless on both machines
[23:59] <akemhp> Hey, i try to unmount my USB HDD, but it says drive is busy though i cannot see anything using it, and 'lsof | grep <mountpoint>' don't show anything, any idea?