 For me since 2015 on BQ 4.5 and N5.
 @Tomáš A Soušek [Is here anyone who use Ubuntu Touch as daily driver?], since 2015 for me
 I've been using UT since 2013 and my main phone since 2015
[03:05] <ubptgbot> holukije was added by: holukije
 also since 2015 for me
 I wait that new phone like librem5 or pinephone, then i will be back to UT. for now, XA2 with Sailfish is good   substitute 😊
 [Edit] I wait that new phone like librem5 or pinephone, then i will be back to UT. for now, XA2 with Sailfish is good substitute 😊
 @David [Has anyone made a tutorial on how to code, install and run a "Hello World" app f …], I would recommend you also to have a look at this programming course for Ubuntu Touch: https://github.com/mimecar/ubuntu-touch-programming-course-gitbook even if full of information related to a nowadays deprecated SDK, it is anyway useful IMHO.
[05:56] <ubptgbot>  To build the .click files we use a very handy tool called clickable, which is awesome :)
[06:02] <ubptgbot> taerexony was added by: taerexony
 I will update the doc
 @mimecar [I will update the doc], Great Miguel! Thank you for your work, really appreciated and very useful to understand how to properly use Qt/QML
 Fantastic job indeed! :)
 BTW, with dev channel, the Bluetooth works like a charm on OnePlus One
 which makes me wonder, is there any way to import contacts from either Google or Nextcloud account? It's pretty much the last issue that stops it from becoming my daily driver
 one time import?
 have you tried downloading all your contacts (vcf file) from nextcloud and adding them in the phone via terminal with syncevolution?
 @tylnesh [which makes me wonder, is there any way to import contacts from either Google or …], There should be a contact import option in the Contacts app
 @tylnesh [which makes me wonder, is there any way to import contacts from either Google or …], You should be able to sync with both Google and nextcloud
 nope, doesn't work with Google
 and heard it doesn't work with Nextcloud yet
 I thought my contacts used to sync with nextcloud but I might just have been delusional :') anyways GTG ttul8r
 if you want to try downloading the file, I can guide you with the syncevolution command
 @hacker12455 [There should be a contact import option in the Contacts app], There is already an issue open for that.
 vcf can be imported using filemanager. Copy file on your phone, tap in filemanager, select contacts as target. Done (hopefully)
 @tylnesh [which makes me wonder, is there any way to import contacts from either Google or …], Unfortunately that is an open issue that is waiting to be fixed for Contacts.  Currently what I do is export all my contacts to a vcf file, load that to my UT device, and then import that to my Contacts by clicking on the vcf file in File Man
[07:23] <ubptgbot> ager, and then choose the Contacts app from the list of apps that pops up.  I do regular backups of all my Contacts to a vcf file that I keep on my NextCloud account - and I keep this synced via the UBsync app that is available in the Open Store.
 @TotalSonic [Unfortunately that is an open issue that is waiting to be fixed for Contacts.  C …], That may be viable
 I'll try to get back to RC channel
 see if BT is working
 and import my contacts that way
 @tylnesh [see if BT is working], what device are you using?
 OnePlus One
 on stable the microphone on my headset doesn't work
 on dev, it works
 @tylnesh [see if BT is working], Bluetooth File Transfer app in the Open Store works well on my OPO - I am in RC channel though … https://open-store.io/app/ubtd.fourloop2002
 I meant using bluetooth headphones and microphones
 for voice caling
 Bluetooth is working for sending audio, but not receiving, in RC.  Don't know about devel.
 In devel I tried it on saturday and it worked
 @tylnesh [In devel I tried it on saturday and it worked], that is good to know
[08:21] <ubptgbot> EraLimSIM was added by: EraLimSIM
 @tylnesh [BTW, with dev channel, the Bluetooth works like a charm on OnePlus One], Bluetooth calling, or Bluetooth sharing/ streaming?
 @EraLimSIM [EraLimSIM was added by: bhushanshah], Hello there. Are you human?
 @tylnesh [BTW, with dev channel, the Bluetooth works like a charm on OnePlus One], [Edit] Bluetooth calling, or Bluetooth sharing/ streaming? If the calling works, that's great, there is a hope on oter devices might as well.
 If no response within 5 mins, banhammer will be dropped
 @tylnesh [BTW, with dev channel, the Bluetooth works like a charm on OnePlus One], [Edit] Bluetooth calling, or Bluetooth sharing/ streaming? If the calling works, that's great, there is a hope on other devices might as well.
 @bhushanshah [If no response within 5 mins, banhammer will be dropped], He is virtual, so no human 😆
 @Flohack [He is virtual, so no human 😆], Virtual machine was deleted
 @Stefano0101 [Bluetooth calling, or Bluetooth sharing/ streaming? If the calling works, that's …], Calling and playback works, I don't use BT file sharing
[10:41] <ubptgbot> HARVEY WATKINS was added by: HARVEY WATKINS
 that would be quite surprising.
 Looks as if the N5 camera has gone back to some of its old tricks: video freezes and if I press the record button anyway it says 'capture failed, restart might help'. RC channel.
 @tylnesh [BTW, with dev channel, the Bluetooth works like a charm on OnePlus One], How long does it usually take to migrate to the RC channel? And does that mean there is hope that it will also work again on the Aquaris 4.5?
 @ulrichard [How long does it usually take to migrate to the RC channel? And does that mean t …], however long it takes to download the image and reboot/install it
 so basically same amount of time as a full flash of UT
 So, there is no distinction between dev and RC channels?
 well they are different channels. but they basically remain the same during the freeze
 @TotalSonic [Bluetooth is working for sending audio, but not receiving, in RC.  Don't know ab …], It work for sending? Hmmm
 @Fuseteam [It work for sending? Hmmm], you can stream a2dp but headset/handsfree profile doesn't work well
 The last time i tested it didn't work with bluetooth speakers
 It works great as a bluetooth speaker itself tho :p
 [Edit] The last time i tested my device, it didn't work with bluetooth speakers
 which is a feature i enjoy using
 Wait you can use your device as a Bluetooth speaker?
 ^
 yes, you can user your PC as one too even
 Ive done it with my PC, my device has never been the speaker though, Ive tried a few times but it didnt work
 not really worth the trouble either way, though
 Yeah, prob not
 would be more useful to have emulated bluetooth host/central device for qemu and being able to write some scripts/modules to emulate different types of bluetooth devices for testing
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/nDDHMK7Q.png
 changed
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/TEUbAOhh.webp
[15:01] <ubptgbot> <W M> Weird question:  … Does The UBports installer install the latest stable version from UBports or the latest stable version from Canonical? … I ask because I installed it on my Meizu Pro 5 (Ubuntu Edition) and it works well. But there were a lot of updates. When I rebooted to update, I got a white screen that said it failed and to contact custo
[15:01] <ubptgbot> mer service. … Looking online, there were instructions to change the cache partition size. I slowly and carefully did that, but it didn't fix the update problem. It also prevented Android from booting when I reinstalled it. … So for now, I reverted the partition changes and I'm back on a working Android, scared to brick my phone. … Thoughts?
[15:04] <ubptgbot> meprashant was added by: meprashant
 @W M [Weird question:  … Does The UBports installer install the latest stable version f …], UBports does not support the old Canonical versions anymore.
 also please split up such long posts into multiple posts, as it can be very annoying for people on other chat platforms that are bridged to this one, and also makes it more difficult to reply to individual points
 iow, telegram is not a web forum/e-mail system :)
[15:16] <ubptgbot> harvey186 was added by: harvey186
 Can me someone tell how long the UBports installer will need for downloading file 3 of 3 ?
 As I understand from the latest Q&A, the Sony Xperia X is now a community supported device. Should it not be added to list in https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ ?
 Not done yet.
 oh
 Still needs some fixes for updating.
 okay thanks Dalton
 I can't wait to use ubports w/ xperia x!
 +1
 actually cant wait even less for the PinePhone but yeah :)
 why the pinephone rather than xperia x?
 i expect a lot of ppl from the UT community to run for the new devices as so many of our current devices are dying of age. I hear it everywhere
 @Christopher [why the pinephone rather than xperia x?], cause its mainline Linux! which is imho the future of Linux phones
 I have an xperia x "compact" and overall the nexus 5 is a smaller phone but if the port works on the compact, whiich from everything I've read it probably will...
 xperia x will becokme the newest not-big phone that will run ubports
 @Christopher [I have an xperia x "compact" and overall the nexus 5 is a smaller phone but if t …], If it doesnt work out the box, the changes needed for the compact will hopefully be minimal
 I found a youtube video of some guy who installed sailfish on the compact, even though sailfish only supports the full size xpera...
 and he said it worked without doing anything special
 cool. Maybe you could try loading an image of the current state of Alfreds version already then
 unless you need it as a daily driver
 I'd like to
 I actually got as far as installing twrp on it
 but I was confused about the next steps after that so decided to "do the rest later"
 but that was a few weeks ago
 The xperia x is a nice device, there are many others in the works as well, I myself am currently working on one, however the community devices like the xperia x will take a little longer to reach the installer
 The hope is 2 weeks, Im think realisticly 3 to 4
 Hmm, what are the requirements for a community device?
 One sec
 Fwd from mariogrip: about this, the device does not need to be anywhere near finished. only requirment is that it boots graphics and recovery has system-image enabled :) so pm if anyone want to try this
 that's awesome :)
 I have yet to play with recovery so my device wont be in that until I do, but thats all Marius has said about it
 Wasn't this about building the system image on CI?
 @hacker12455 [Wait you can use your device as a Bluetooth speaker?], Yep~
 How?
 @hacker12455 [Wasn't this about building the system image on CI?], Yeah, and thats used by the installer to get the images
 So basically to be listed in the installer you need the device bootable and the UT recovery working?
 Someone correct me if I'm misunderstanding it
 There isn't a process yet.
 Oh
 There's no need for a formal process, there aren't enough devices that are ready to do that
 So community devices that are gonna be listed on the page can have missing features?
 official devices have "missing features"
 Still I would need to fix sharing...
 And get apparmor working
 Plus media-hub
 These are pretty much the only issues
 (main ones)
 @fredldotme is working on media-hub issues with the ringtone
 am I? lol
 @Fuseteam [It work for sending? Hmmm], I am able to send audio to a dedicated Bluetooth music receiver that has input only.  I am not able to connect to bi-directional devices though.
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 @fredldotme [am I? lol], Didn't you say that you were working on it?
 @hacker12455 [Didn't you say that you were working on it?], no, that's working for me
 If not that might be my late hour brain misremembering stuff
 Hmm
 Oh I'm dumb
 It was @stefanomelchior who mentioned the media-hub issue
 Fwd from stefanomelchior: in .cache/upstart I will find out that the media-hub can’t play the default sound to advise when an inbound call arriving, despite of sound working fine, on top of that I found out that vibration is inhibit by an error in permission of time_outer class in /sys
 Fwd from stefanomelchior: Still to be fixed both the issues
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/2ZZww2lb.png
 can't read .mp4 file
 nexus 5 can't play mp4 currently no
 @dohbee [nexus 5 can't play mp4 currently no], Ok
[18:57] <ubptgbot> MartianBold was added by: MartianBold
 What is about the Sony Xperia Z1 Compact port
 Because is was Not updated since 2016 or so But i think its simpler to Update a device Like this then porting News ones
 And maybe the Poco f1 will soon get Mainline Support do you think that could be a perfekt device
 The perfect device is the one you're working on
 Lol
 @ManuelBxxm [Because is was Not updated since 2016 or so But i think its simpler to Update a …], it was something Canonical was working on, and so it was dropped along with the rest of Canonial dropping the work, and iirc the work was not public, so not something UBports picked up for that specific case
 Ok
 Thanks
 Sadly i can't Help much because first i must understand more about OSs and bootloaders
 https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/106 - is it this?
[19:17] <gitbot> Halium issue 106 in projectmanagement " [device-port] [amami] Sony Xperia Z1 Compact" [Ports, Open]
[19:18] <ubptgbot> <Fabian L> I'm currently trying the Z5 compact
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/PhYdXxKi.png Right, then. Support for MMS groups was not all there.
 The group doesn't receive the first message, forwarding is broken, and the group name doesn't appear. But at least the group started.
 whee
 Six hours for a 29-byte change
 Development is great
 `install(CODE "do_thing()")` in CMake is awesome, btw
 Does anyone know if podbird is still actively maintained?
 afaik, the author of it is willing to review/merge PRs, but don't have time to actively develop it
[20:24] <ubptgbot> LEEPOT COOK was added by: LEEPOT COOK
[20:24] <ubptgbot> <LEEPOT COOK> zewfl
 Any good tablets supported
 Also can Firefox run on UBports
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io lists supported devices
 @thesynthwhosleeps [Also can Firefox run on UBports], there is not a touch friendly version of Firefox to run natively, no; it is possible to run the x11 version sort of in libertine, but it is not friendly for touch screens and has numerous issues
 @dohbee [there is not a touch friendly version of Firefox to run natively, no; it is poss …], Thanks
 On my note 4 the address bar doesnt work, and as a result it loads but doesnt actually work
[20:44] <wozencroft> Is here maybe someone using Matrix via fluffychat? How good is it working? Or how is it with the web-app?
 riot web does not have a responsive design, so it's not good on phone really
 fluffychat works pretty decently
[20:48] <wozencroft> dohbee: I see, thanks for the hints. If I recall it's only chat right now with fluffychat, no audio/videocalls (and tox is not working at all on ubports)
 right, no a/v calls yet, though it will have e2e encryption for private chats soon i think
[20:53] <wozencroft> Ok, that sounds good. I guess there is no Jami available on UBports yet.
 most things like that are problematic because they need something always running in the background and maintaining open connections to servers
 @thesynthwhosleeps [Also can Firefox run on UBports], you can run it in a Libertine container but it does not work well currently.
 @thesynthwhosleeps [Any good tablets supported], the only tablets supported now are Nexus 7 2013 (2nd generation) and the BQ M10.  The Pine64 PineTab should be released by the 1st quarter of 2020 and Ubuntu Touch support is planned for it.  https://pine64.org/pinetab
[20:59] <ubptgbot> Austin Bell was added by: Austin Bell
[21:02] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> Some people have Arch linux work on the Google PixelC tablet. Would it be feasable to run Ubuntu Touch on it? https://github.com/pixelc-linux/documentation
 @Austin Bell [Some people have Arch linux work on the Google PixelC tablet. Would it be feasab …], The PixelC doesn't run Android, it runs ChromeOS, so no not really, I guess.
[21:03] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> It runs Android
 oh wait it does run android. so i guess sure, if you create a port for it
 @Austin Bell [Some people have Arch linux work on the Google PixelC tablet. Would it be feasab …], it would need to be ported and would be a very difficult device to do this for
 it is tegra so that might be problematic, but otherwise shouldn't be any more difficult to port than any other android
 that github seems to be about trying to mainline the device though, which is more in line with the goals of postmarketOS than with UT
[21:06] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> They apperntly got Ubuntu runiing on it at some point https://github.com/pixelc-linux/ubuntu-releases
 i guess there's a lineage 14.1 tree for it, so you could do a proper port of UT for it
 @Austin Bell [They apperntly got Ubuntu runiing on it at some point https://github.com/pixelc- …], UT runs on android kernel, we don't run mainline kernel on android devices
 and UT is also not a traditional linux distro
[21:08] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> Linage has a 15.1 channel for it https://download.lineageos.org/dragon
 we don't support android 8/9 yet, so you need a 7.1 build
 @dohbee [and UT is also not a traditional linux distro], is there really such a thing as "Traditional linux" though? :P
 It's either Mainline or Hybris
[21:08] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> Got ya
 @Gartral [is there really such a thing as "Traditional linux" though? :P], yes, everything you're used to running on your PC
 whether it's debs, rpms, or `make install` to `/usr`
 I mean, we're talking about a kernel.. the kernel doesn't really change. literally everything else is fluff and apps running on top of the kernel
 traditional insecure linux distros do not fit well the model of mobile devices, or security/privacy enforcement
 @Gartral [I mean, we're talking about a kernel.. the kernel doesn't really change. literal …], no, we're talking about distributions which are based around the linux kernel
 and yes, the kernel changes constantly
 which is why we're stuck with ancient kernels on most devices
 only devices where all drivers are available as open source can have latest kernel, for UT
[21:12] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> The Pixel C uses the 3.18 Android kernel but the Arch port uses the 4.9 Kernel
 the arch "port" is irrelevant
[21:12] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> Ok
 if you want to port UT you must use the android kernel and vendor/device tree, and since there is a lineageos already, there might be a cm-14.1 branch, which you could use
 if not, you'll need to start from scratch and base on the released device/vendor stuff from google and do more work than if there was a lineage 14.1 to start from
 or you could work on getting halium working on lineage 15 based devices, and start from there, but it's a lot of work
[21:16] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> Im not a kernel dev or anything :p Google has abandoned the device so I am looking arounf trying to find a new OS for it and thought of UT since UT seems like a awsome thing
 several people have started porting devices without any knowledge of development really, let alone being a kernel developer
[21:18] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> Maybe Ill give it a shot. I thnk there is docs for poting and a live stream of porting somewhere.
 there are
[21:18] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> 👍
 https://docs.halium.org
 and if you are going to attempt it, you will probably want to join https://t.me/halium
 @dohbee [if you want to port UT you must use the android kernel and vendor/device tree, a …], if he can get GPU acceleration on mainline, why not to use mainline way as with Pine*/Librem?
 @NotKit [if he can get GPU acceleration on mainline, why not to use mainline way as with …], because literally nothing else works?
 https://github.com/pixelc-linux/documentation#what-is-broken
 i mean, you can do so on nexus 5 too with the work postmarket has done, if you really want to, but several things don't work
 but given it's a difficult device to start with for Halium, hard to say which is better
 if they don't want to work on low level kernel reverse engineering stuff, then working on mainlining stuff is probably not the best route to go
 I agree here
 at least with halium, the hardware should pretty much all be usable. but a tablet on mainline with no power management, sensors, sound, etc, and broken charging, sounds like asking to waste your own time for no reason
 emmc doesn't even work fully :-/
 otherwise i'd just say run lineage on it, if one doesn't want to work on porting or mainlining (both of which are going to be a lot of work, and perhaps difficult, given it's tegra)
[21:36] <wozencroft> dohbee: "traditional insecure linux distros" - that sounds interesting. android did not seem to be more secure in general (especially with limited support time) than linux distros
[21:36] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> Right, Ill problay through lineage on there. If im be realistic I dont have lot of hours to through at it. You guys are doing good work and I hope to use a UT device sometime soon 😊
 @wozencroft [dohbee: "traditional insecure linux distros" - that sounds interesting. android …], there's more to security than just having updates available
[21:38] <wozencroft> It's interesting to notice though that canonical decided - back then - to go the android kernel way instead of focusing on a mainline linux phone
[21:39] <wozencroft> dohbee: True, yet real life tests do not reveal Average Joe's android systems to be especially secure - on the contrary.
 the goal wasn't to build hardware
 and since the funding campaign to actually build hardware didn't succeed, building any hardware at all was taken off the table, so we were left to partner with companies making android phones
[21:41] <wozencroft> Ah, yes, I can remember that. The goal was simply too high, unrealistic
 @wozencroft [dohbee: True, yet real life tests do not reveal Average Joe's android systems to …], you are misunderstanding, and assuming that average joe's linux is especially secure. just making a bunch of wild assumptions doesn't help either. and i wasn't talking about android anyway. i was talking about security and linux distributions
 and yes, a proper android install is more secure in many ways, than traditional linux distros on PCs
[22:01] <ubptgbot> Lirrums was added by: Lirrums
[22:48] <ubptgbot> VOGEL Daniele was added by: VOGEL Daniele
 Anyone got luck deploying wasm webapp locally?
 I tried with the click template but it can't be loaded via script tag...
 @Kiet [can't read .mp4 file], Take the UTmedia-app. It works.
 @dohbee [nexus 5 can't play mp4 currently no], Nexus5 can play mp4... with the UTmedia-app
 @Waldbursche [Nexus5 can play mp4... with the UTmedia-app], not hardware accelerated though
 @dohbee [not hardware accelerated though], agree