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kenvandineEdge isn't necessarily newer :-)00:18
amurraykenvandine: hmm so far it is no different (still transparent background on gnome-calculator snap etc) - would I need to restart my session?00:33
kenvandineShouldn't need to00:39
kenvandineamurray: I'll look into it tomorrow00:39
didrocksgood morning06:15
dufluHi didrocks06:18
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:22
didrockshey duflu, oSoMoN06:22
dufluMorning oSoMoN06:23
oSoMoNsalut didrocks06:23
oSoMoNhey duflu06:23
Wimpresso/06:40
didrocksmorning Wimpress06:41
jibelhi all06:43
oSoMoNhey Wimpress06:47
oSoMoNsalut jibel06:47
Wimpressdidrocks jibel I see Ubiquity landed that close the introduction of the experimental ZFS support 🙂06:48
jibelyeah, it's been a long trip06:50
jibeland it's just the beginning, still plenty of things to do06:50
WimpressLooking forward to taking it for a spin later.06:55
jibeland people start reporting bugs :)06:55
jibelthat's good06:55
WimpressYeah, I spoke with the flavour leads and a few have opted in too 🙂06:56
dufluMorning Wimpress and jibel06:58
WimpressMorning07:01
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seb128gooood morning desktopers!07:07
oSoMoNsalut seb12807:08
seb128lut oSoMoN, comment va aujourd'hui?07:08
oSoMoNseb128, bien, et toi?07:09
seb128ça va aussi :)07:09
oSoMoNI'm starting the day by translating ubiquity strings, just to make sure I can still speak some French07:10
seb128Didier and j-B were not confident they could do the french version for their new strings? ;)07:10
oSoMoNnah, I'm sure they were just lazy ;)07:11
oSoMoNI hadn't used the launchpad interface to do translations in quite some time, and it's a bit confusing: when you translate a few strings, then click "save & continue", the page is reloaded, with the same strings you just translated appearing as untranslated07:12
oSoMoNuh oh, should I have ticked the "new suggestion" checkboxes?07:13
dufluMorning seb12807:13
oSoMoNok, that was it07:14
oSoMoNI can now redo those three super long strings I thought I had translated…07:14
seb128oSoMoN, it depends if you are official translator/can do changes or only propose suggestions07:15
seb128the uefi ones?07:15
oSoMoNI can only suggest, an official translator will need to reviewz07:15
oSoMoNyeah07:15
seb128man, french is verbose!07:16
didrockssalut seb12807:16
seb128lut didrocks07:16
seb128didrocks, en forme ?07:16
didrocksça va, et toi ?07:16
jibeloSoMoN, once it's translated you can send an email to the french translators ML, they usually review very quickly07:20
jibelthere were 2 untranslated strings for secur eboot07:20
jibellike no one exported the pot for a wihle07:20
jibelcannot send email from thunderbird with 4G. Not very convenient.07:21
seb128jibel, it's usually useful to include the launchpad url in those emails to translatorss07:21
seb128so they don't need to go hunt to find the right strings07:21
jibeloh right that too07:21
oSoMoNin "UEFI Secure Boot", would you translate "Secure Boot"?07:22
oSoMoNe.g. "démarrage sécurisé UEFI"07:22
seb128oSoMoN, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/eoan/+source/grub2/+pots/grub/fr/401/+translate07:23
seb128si ça peut aider comme référence de chaîne existante07:23
oSoMoNmerci07:23
jibeloSoMoN, ML for the review https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-fr-l10n07:23
oSoMoNmerci07:25
oSoMoNand voilà07:34
jibeloSoMoN, thank you. You did Spanish and Catalan too?07:36
oSoMoNnope, I'll leave those to native speakers07:36
marcustomlinsonmorning07:39
dufluHi marcustomlinson07:41
oSoMoNgood morning marcustomlinson07:43
seb128hey marcustomlinson duflu, how are you todya?07:45
dufluseb128, going alright, you?07:45
seb128I'm good thanks!07:45
didrockshey marcustomlinson07:49
marcustomlinsonseb128: hey, I'm ok thanks07:50
seb128tkamppeter, Trevinho, jamesh, tjaalton, robert_ancell (nothere), reminder that you are supposed to update your rls bugs status on discourse on monday (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/release-bugs-for-week-commencing-monday-7th-october-2019/12853)07:56
seb128duflu, what do you think about marking bug #1815550  as wontfix for disco? 19.10 is almost out, I'm not sure it makes much sense at this point to spend resources fixing a serie which is not LTS and about to be superseeded by another stable07:59
ubot5bug 1815550 in gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons (Ubuntu Disco) "gnome-shell high memory and CPU usage when desktop files are constantly created or deleted" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181555007:59
dufluseb128, yeah I alluded to that, somewhere... Sounds good07:59
seb128k, I'm marking it wontfix then, thx07:59
Laneymoin08:02
dufluseb128, "I would be quite happy to not fix disco though" https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/release-bugs-for-week-commencing-monday-30th-september/12785 :)08:02
dufluHi Laney08:02
seb128hey Laney, how are you?08:02
seb128duflu, right, well that's done now then :)08:02
Laneygooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood08:03
Laneyyou?08:03
didrockshey Laney08:03
seb128goood :)08:04
oSoMoNhey Laney08:08
Laney\o didrocks oSoMoN08:08
Laneyseb128: rls bug nag reminder08:15
seb128Laney, see channel backlog 6 minutes before you said morning :)08:16
seb128but thx :)08:16
LaneyOH08:17
Laneyyeah I see it, thanks!08:17
seb128yw!08:17
seb128Robert is off this week so I didn't bother with email08:17
seb128didrocks, sorry to nag but I'm still unsure why bug #1843652 is a gdm issue? (thx for commenting on it though)08:18
ubot5bug 1843652 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "The bootmenu for zfs based Ubuntu does partly not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184365208:18
seb128didrocks, (or asked differently, should it be reassigned and to what component)08:24
didrocksseb128: I don't think there is any issue TBH or I didn't understand it correctly08:26
didrocksit seems that the report is a mix of different issues, but I don't get him (as with most of his bug reports/comments)08:26
didrockslike: upgrading the bpool is a no-no (and it should be release noted as we can't prevent this)08:27
didrockshistory has been disabled, on purpose08:27
didrocksand the rest… unsure?08:27
seb128didrocks, k, he mentioned your name on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1843659 so I though you talked to him/he was filing bug because you asked him to08:27
ubot5Launchpad bug 1843659 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "No unique names in the bootmenu created on ZFS based system" [Undecided,New]08:27
seb128which basically mean I didn't try to make sense of the report and just pinged, sorry :p08:28
seb128let's close then, thx08:28
didrocksseb128: no, he is basically posting a lot on discourse, I think that's why08:28
didrocksno pb :)08:29
didrocksthe last one is probably xubuntu vs ubuntu08:29
didrocksbut we have always written just "ubuntu"08:29
didrocksso… not a new issue08:29
seb128right08:29
Laneyjibel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-auto/+bug/184557108:30
ubot5Launchpad bug 1845571 in partman-auto (Ubuntu Eoan) "ubiquity offers installation media as an install target" [Medium,Triaged]08:30
Laneyjust saw that Brian downgraded that to medium08:30
Laneynot sure if that means they don't plan to fix it for the release08:30
Laneywondering if we should check08:30
Laneyshould be worked on imho08:30
seb128I'm happy to ping Brian about it08:31
jibelLaney, I suppose it's what it means. let's check with Brian08:31
jibelit's annoying but not critical08:31
seb128but yeah, my understanding of their process is that anything < high is ignored08:31
jibelah08:31
seb128like they review only >= high items in their meetings08:31
jibeli'll check but I think that when you install on hardware from a usb stick, the consequence of this bug is that the disk selction page is always dispalyed even if the machine only has one driver.08:32
Laneyyes08:33
LaneyI didn't actually try picking that USB stick, not sure what would happen08:33
seb128should be fixed for release imho08:33
seb128jibel, do you want to talk to Brian about that?08:33
jibelseb128, sure08:35
seb128thx08:35
jibelLaney, it crashes08:35
jibelit = installation08:35
Laneynod08:35
Laneythanks for raising it08:35
Trevinhomorning08:47
dufluMorning Trevinho08:48
Laneyhey Trevinho08:48
Trevinhohi duflu and Laney08:49
seb128Bunjounor Mr Trevinho08:49
didrockshey Trevinho08:49
* didrocks is so tempted to generate over protobuf generated files to slightly change the API for having the right level of abstraction on any grpc call… But sounds dangerous, hard to maintain and fishy :p08:51
TrevinhoLaney: since you look after g-s can you give a look at https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-session/merge_requests/9/ that is waiting for some time?08:52
gitbotGNOME issue (Merge request) 9 in gnome-session "Multi monitor fail whale dialog" [Opened]08:52
Trevinhohi French guys08:52
Laneyyeah will go over the MRs at some point08:53
ricotzhello desktopers08:54
oSoMoNhello ricotz08:54
ricotzis there are chance to see some progress here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala/+bug/180313608:54
ubot5Launchpad bug 1803136 in vala (Ubuntu Bionic) "[SRU] Update to vala 0.40.16 in bionic" [Low,Confirmed]08:54
ricotzoSoMoN, hi08:54
oSoMoNgood morning Trevinho08:54
jibelnormal / minimal installation is gone from the installer (today's build) can anyone confirm? I don't know if it's expected08:55
Laneythat's lucky, I just zsynced an iso08:56
jibelLaney, don't bother08:57
didrocksmissing minimal definition list I guess08:58
jibelLaney, /cdrom is empty08:58
didrocks/cdrom/casper/filesystem.manifest-minimal-remove08:58
jibelxnox, ^08:58
Laneysounds like xnox08:58
didrocksah, yeah ;)08:58
Laneysad trombone08:58
jibelcan you please test your uploads08:59
dufluTrevinho, you do know anything about the ibus panel service?08:59
dufluI appear to be getting unwanted events from it when it is set to 'disabled'08:59
Laneyit's actually not empty here09:00
dufluor 'disable'09:00
Laneywould be sad if this was racy09:00
Trevinhoduflu: not too much honestly09:00
dufluTrevinho, it's the panel service moving those popup menus and we explicitly tell IBus there is not panel service09:00
duflu-not +no09:00
jibelLaney, and you see the normal/minimal options?09:01
jibelI suppose09:01
Laneyyes09:01
Laneylet me try with maybe-ubiquity09:01
jibelLaney, I tried in qemu with ovmf from a live session09:02
Laneyok it's broken this time09:02
Laneyand cdrom.mount is disabled09:02
seb128xnooooxxx09:03
LaneyUnit is bound to inactive unit dev-sr0.device. Stopping, too.09:03
jibeldidrocks, I cannot reproduce the crash on Ubuntu. could you try with Mate? I don't want to dl a full iso over 4G09:06
didrocksjibel: sure, downloading09:06
jibelthank you09:06
jibeldidrocks, oh i've a crash at the end of installation but something different09:08
jibelgrub-installer fails09:09
jibelhttps://i.imgur.com/0Ge5vqg.png09:09
didrockswondering if this is due to previous issues09:10
jibeldidrocks, or the grub-installer patch is not applied09:12
didrocksyep09:12
jibeldidrocks, yeah that's the problem09:13
jibelthe wildcard stuff in debian/rules didn't work09:13
didrocksso not detected, not applied…09:13
didrocksbut builds)09:14
jibelI suppose the path to the file is incorrect09:14
Laneywe probably better not fix that up in that way09:14
Laneygiven the objections that were raised to inline patching09:14
jibelLaney, you propose to patch grub-installer directly?09:15
Laneyguess so09:15
LaneyI think a followup to fix up the patching might be considered antagonistic ...09:15
Laney:/09:15
jibelit depends on the heat of the discussion we want to reach :)09:16
jibelwhrer is the source of grub-installer?09:17
LaneyI don't know if there's a VCS09:18
didrockswe were told there is none09:18
jibelyeah, but I cannot even find a package09:18
jibeland nothing in d-i09:19
didrocksso creating one, pointing to it, and so on. I wonder if this is documented anywhere09:19
Laneypull-lp-source grub-installer <- wfm09:19
jibelk09:19
didrocks$ apt showsrc grub-installer09:19
didrocksyep09:19
Laneythe bzr thing looks out of date09:20
Laneyi'd say debdiff09:20
didrockswell, the comment was about creating a VCS09:22
didrocksbut no instruction where they are hosted for other d-i components on launchpad and such09:22
Laneysomeone told you to make one?09:23
Laneyxnox: if I'm reading systemd.mount(5) correctly then the BindsTo= is created even if you have DefaultDependencies=no09:24
didrocksthat was c_yphermox's comment on the first MP IIRC09:24
LaneyI'm not sure that's a reasonable requirement09:25
Laneypersonally I'd say if there isn't one then you're OK not to have to create it09:25
Laneyxnox: ah ok, it's an implicit dependency which doesn't seem to be controllable09:29
mwhudsonah you've noticed that grub-install is failing too09:31
Laney09:32
Laneynobody's changes seem to be landing entirely smoothly :/09:33
jibeldidrocks, Laney https://pastebin.com/W0PWdcTW wdyt?09:33
mwhudsonLaney: i was proposing earlier that we just skip eoan and move straight on to working on the LTS...09:35
Laney:>09:35
jibelwould people test their uploads for an LTS?09:36
Laneyat least you are in that camp now09:36
Laneyit's a nice group of people09:36
jibelyeah09:36
didrocksjibel: no patch system in grub-installer?09:37
jibelLaney, because you wanted me in that camp and I followed your recommendation ;)09:37
Laneynative package09:37
didrocks(also, see my remark on maybe detected /boot/zfs/zpool.cache and only copying in that case)09:37
jibeldidrocks, check but I didn't fiund any09:37
didrocksyeah, native as said Laney, so I think it's fine inline09:37
mwhudsonwell i bumped into this because i was testing my ubiquity change so ...09:37
Laneyfeel like it would be better to do the || true thing in the zfs case only09:37
mwhudson(which doesn't appear to work :/)09:37
Laneybut up to you two09:37
didrocksyeah, conditional || true, why not. Note that grub-installer, when failing there, is not robust anyway (like things are failing in the caller, with empty variables and more…)09:38
jibelmwhudson, the grub-install issue should affect only zfs installations. Are you seeing anything elsE?09:38
mwhudsonjibel: yes09:39
mwhudsonjibel: it's failing in an encrypted install too09:39
mwhudsonif i run grub-install /target by hand i get "cannot get canonical path of /cow" but i'm not sure how ubiquity runs it09:40
mwhudsonoh wait grub-install is not grub-installer09:41
didrocksyeah, puzzling, isn't it?09:42
didrocksgrub-installer is some sort of wrapper for the installer, which at the end calls grub-install09:42
mwhudsonah the error seems to be "Wrong number of args: mapdevfs <path>"09:42
mwhudsonthis is my own ubiquity package but i don't see how my changes could have broken this :(09:44
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mwhudsonoh it is my change09:47
mwhudsonffs09:47
didrocks"This can't have broken it… oh… hum… wait" :) typical day to day developer experience ;)09:48
Laneythe Ubuntu Idiots Club AKA #ubuntu-desktop09:48
didrocks\o/ success in having everything abstracted and wrapped to the user, phew! :)09:48
didrocksnow, need to write the generator and make this production ready©09:48
mwhudsonin other news, shell is bad09:49
Laneydidrocks: you going to upload grub-installer?09:50
Laney(pretty please)09:51
didrocksLaney: I'm fine uploading as it. It will need to be unblocked from unapproved though09:52
Laneyof course09:52
didrocksok, let's do that as jibel is away to not block more and have ubiquity refreshed before the EOF09:52
didrocksEOD*09:52
Laneyindeed09:53
didrocksHunk #1 FAILED at 241.09:53
didrocksHunk #2 FAILED at 1250.09:53
didrockshum09:53
didrockswhere changelog is fine09:53
* didrocks wonders how the debdiff was created09:54
didrocksuploaded, fixed ident and patch09:56
Laneydidrocks: hmm, I was getting at something more like https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BKF3Nx5gWy/10:13
Laneyor are you saying it doesn't matter?10:13
didrocksI wanted to wait on jibel for changing/testing it10:13
didrockshence my 11:52:19        didrocks | Laney: I'm fine uploading as it. It will need to be unblocked from unapproved though10:13
didrocks(sorry, the "as it" wasn't clear enough)10:13
didrocksI need to pop out now or I will be late for the MIR meeting10:14
Laneyok sorry, didn't understand that10:14
didrocksfeel free to upload with your change if tested ^10:14
Laneydefinitley is not10:14
Laneydefinitely10:14
didrocksit looks good, unsure the variables are declared beforehand though10:14
didrocksif we do some changes, I would like the -f test on the /boot file to condition it as well10:15
didrocksso yeah, really depends if we are fine waiting10:15
Laneyit's mainly because the changelog says "When running on ZFS [...]" but we ignore in all cases10:16
Laneyif there's a good argument for actually always ignoring then I'd be OK if the changelog explained that instead10:17
didrocksunderstood, let's wait for jibel to be back then and we'll patch this way, and -f, and do a round of testing10:17
* didrocks goes now, already late10:17
xnoxdidrocks:  dude we asked you to $ dput grub-installer && then just run the ./debian/rules update in ubiquity10:18
didrocksxnox: what?10:18
didrocksfirst, "me", when did you ask that to me?10:18
didrockssecond "hello"10:18
didrocksthird, isn't the upload to grub-installer what we are discussing with Laney now?10:19
xnoxdidrocks:  i am catching up on the backlog =)10:19
xnoxdidrocks:  so yes, if a VCS doesn't exist for a d-i component, one should just dput things. We have given up on VCS for d-i components, since doing "git->bzr" imports and "bzr merge" kind of stopped working. It used to be nice, to just `bzr merge` to catch up on all of the d-i components.10:20
didrocksas told in the backlog, ensure that everyone is on the same page, c_yphermox was asking to create the VCS10:21
didrocksin the MP comment you are referring10:21
xnox*sigh* ok10:21
didrocksso if dput only is fine, great, that's what we did10:21
xnox=))))10:22
xnoxthat' the only bit that is stictly needed to have ./debian/rules update work10:22
didrocksbut needs to have the final details if we enhance the patch done ^10:22
didrocksxnox: I guess we can't refresh ubiquity from -proposed?10:22
didrocks(to win some publish cycles)10:22
xnoxLaney:  re:BindsTo= horum, that seems like less than ideal.10:22
didrocks(if, ofc, grub-installer is the only proposed component)10:23
xnoxdidrocks:  some people, were known, to not even use ./debian/rules update, and simply dpkg-source -x & vim the manifest, *c j watson*10:23
didrocksxnox: lalalala, not stupid if we are short on time by the end of day ;)10:24
didrocksok, really going now, bbl10:24
xnoxdidrocks:  yeah, and then xnox went to do one more fix, and i'm like "why does ./debian/rules update have like 4 things to update, when you just did a ubiquity upload"10:24
Laneygreetings xnox10:35
jbichaseb128: gnome-tweaks 3.34.0-1 was missing a dependency but it was fixed quickly10:36
Laneyso yeah, dunno how to fix that, a WantedBy= would probably do it even if that means leaving a window when it could be unmounted10:36
Laneyor After= the udev thing10:37
jbicha🤷10:37
jbichamaybe someone had the gnome-tweaks crash but apport didn't get around to reporting for a while (after a reboot?)10:38
seb128jbicha, hey, oh ok, that probably explains ;-)11:34
jibeldidrocks, Laney you're okay with https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4BvYznRfyH/ ?11:43
jibelI'll remove the patch from ubiquity11:43
Laneyjibel: it looks good to me11:43
mwhudsonsomeone taking a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/373809 would be great11:43
Laneybut then I wrote half of it)11:43
Laney(11:43
Laneyso ...11:43
Laneymwhudson: will do, but our hit rate on installer changes is not great this week so I'm scared11:44
mwhudsonLaney: yeah, i know what you mean :/11:44
Laneyat least it's not release week I guess11:45
Laneythis normally happens then11:45
mwhudson(just force pushed a bug ref in the changelog)11:45
mwhudsonLaney: i'm sure we can have two weeks of everything being on fire instead of just one11:45
* mwhudson crashes11:45
Laneyjibel: did you see the kde ping?11:45
jibelno11:46
Laneysee RikMills in #ubuntu-devel11:46
Laneywe need to protect against zfs not being implemented in the kde frontend, in one place11:46
jibelhm, I'll have a look11:46
seb128fun week :/11:46
RikMillsjibel: LP: #184722811:46
ubot5Launchpad bug 1847228 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installer crashes at partitioning stage" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184722811:46
jibelthat's fine, it keeps my mind busy11:47
dupondjehmmm, Thunderbird doesn't seem to pick external hunspell anymore?11:48
jibeloSoMoN, ^ same thing I reported earlier11:49
seb128'external hunspell'?11:50
jibelthe dictionaries vanished from TB11:50
dupondjeyep, only english can be spellchecked11:53
dupondjewhile hunspell-nl is installed for example11:53
seb128IRC isn't a bug tracker, please file on launchpad11:54
Laneyjibel: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xbxggm8HwV/ ought to do it11:55
Laneydelete the first self.db.set too11:56
jibelLaney, I was heading towards a hasattr instead of a try/catch11:56
jibelI don't mind either way11:57
Laneythey call the thing I did "EAFP" in python11:58
dupondjeseb128: I know, just wanted to check if its not logged already somewhere :) i'll open a report11:58
jibelyeah but I prefer LBYL11:58
jibelquestion of taste11:59
seb128dupondje, thx11:59
Laneyguess so in this case11:59
Laneyin other cases it can prevent race conditions11:59
jibelEAFP + ternary operator FTW :)12:00
dupondjeoSoMoN: seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/184724712:03
ubot5Launchpad bug 1847247 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) "External dictionaries are not loaded " [Undecided,New]12:03
dupondjethere :)12:04
Wimpressjibel: I've encountered a regression in Ubiquity.12:12
WimpressI'm no longer seeing the option to perform a minimal install.12:12
WimpressIs this is known issue?12:12
Laneyyes12:12
jibelknown12:12
WimpressOK :-)12:12
jibelcan you please file a bug so we can point people to it?12:12
jibelnot zfs's fault though12:13
jibelLaney, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kRdgQBhR3X/ happy with my copy/paste skills ?12:19
jibelI'll propose a MPO12:19
jibel-O12:19
jibelLaney, I cannot test on KDE, I'm on 4G and don't have the bandwidth to download a full iso12:19
Laneyjibel: ah sorry, I pushed a MP for that one already, you can review it12:20
Laneydid test that on Kubuntu12:20
Laneyhttps://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/37381212:20
didrocksxnox: unsure what you are trying to get at or asking me while the MP isn't at my name nor I merged nor I am the sponsor of that package.12:22
didrocksthis isn't really pleasing12:22
xnoxdidrocks:  ok. sorry. clearly i am confused.12:23
didrockslooks like it, indeed12:23
jibelLaney, can you add the removal of grub-installer patch then?12:24
Laneysure12:24
jibelthanks12:25
jibelthere is just debian/rules to update and delete the patch12:25
Laneythen I've got to go have lunch before the meeting :>12:25
Laneyjibel: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/37381312:28
Laneynot test built, sorry12:28
Laneywill do when back12:28
Laneyif you can get a grub-installer in the queue that would be perfecto12:28
Laneybiab12:28
Wimpressjibel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/184725112:29
ubot5Launchpad bug 1847251 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity in the 20191008 daily image for 19.10 doesn't present the minimal install option" [Undecided,New]12:29
jibelthx12:34
oSoMoNdupondje, jibel: ack, I'll look into this12:35
didrockshum, didn't we use to prevent the Shell to lock the screen during the installation?12:54
didrocksI got the shield12:55
willcookeI think that was only during upgrades, so that you wouldnt come back to an unknown state12:56
jibelit's disabled but reeanabled too early12:57
seb128didrocks, is it 'locked' like password protected or just turned off/shield but you can go back to the session by hitting enter?12:58
didrocksseb128: just turned off/shield12:59
seb128k, so mostly cosmetic13:00
seb128https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/181487513:01
ubot5Launchpad bug 1814875 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Bionic) "Screensaver is not disabled during install" [Medium,Triaged]13:01
seb128we have that bug every cycle :-/13:01
didrocksyes…13:08
jibelLaney, your changed are reviewed, approved and merged13:29
Laney13:29
jibelready for another upload13:30
seb128on that note, meeting time!13:30
Laneyok, need a new grub-installer which it sounds like Łukasz is reviewing13:30
jibelyup13:30
Laneythen a debian/rules update, then ubiquity13:30
Laneyok, meeting13:30
seb128jibel, Laney, you should also maybe take https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/373809 if you do an upload13:30
seb128anyway, meeting13:30
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-10-0813:31
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seb128Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), hellsworth, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)13:31
marcustomlinsono/13:31
oSoMoN\o13:31
Trevinho\o13:31
didrockshey13:31
Laneyseb128: 08/10 12:44:13 <Laney> mwhudson: will do, [...]13:32
seb128Laney, ack!13:32
seb128hey hellsworth13:32
seb128reminder since I didn't get much feedback earlier (either here on on discourse)13:32
seb128tkamppeter, Trevinho, jamesh, tjaalton, robert_ancell (nothere), reminder that you are supposed to update your rls bugs status on discourse on monday (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/release-bugs-for-week-commencing-monday-7th-october-2019/12853)13:32
hellsworthhere. sorry i'm late13:33
seb128kenvandine, can you remind tkamppeter , jamesh, robert_ancell about that?13:33
seb128no worry13:33
seb128ok, on that note13:34
seb128#topic rls-bb-bugs13:34
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:34
seb128no desktop one13:34
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:34
kenvandineseb128: will do13:34
seb128kenvandine, thx13:34
kenvandinerobert is out all week13:34
seb128right, he usually doesn't update those afaik though13:35
kenvandineok13:35
seb128might just be good to do a reminder to everyone :)13:35
seb128no tracking unassigned this week, nice13:35
seb128#topic rls-dd-bugs13:35
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:35
seb128no desktop one13:35
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:35
seb128same13:36
seb128#topic rls-ee-bugs13:36
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:36
seb128some there, which makes sense at this point of the cycle13:36
seb128bug #1844944 is fix commit with the gdm in eaon-proposed13:36
ubot5bug 1844944 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 19.10 switching users broken" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184494413:36
seb128I'm just going to untag13:36
seb128bug #184685813:37
ubot5bug 1846858 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Media keys stopped working" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184685813:37
Trevinhoyeah, looks like is not a consistent bug13:37
seb128that looks like it was a one time/temp issue so far so probably -1 at this point13:37
seb128I'm going to untag as well13:37
seb128bug #184621713:38
ubot5bug 1846217 in libcairo-gobject-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libextutils-depends-perl, libextutils-pkgconfig-perl (dependency of libcairo-gobject-perl)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184621713:38
seb128is shared with foundations/going to be sorted out, we can skip it I think13:38
seb128unless someone want to volunteer to file the MIR paperwork?13:38
seb128seems not, moving on then13:39
seb128bug #184710213:39
ubot5bug 1847102 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "Dragging icons around the dock only fully works once. After that they stick to the mouse pointer." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184710213:39
seb128it's a bit annoying but doesn't seem a release blocker to me13:39
seb128I would vote -113:39
seb128other opinions?13:39
marcustomlinson-113:40
hellsworthagreed that sounds minor13:40
Trevinhowell not really minor, it hangs the whole desktop13:40
marcustomlinsonsorry willcooke ;)13:40
oSoMoNit doesn't sound minor to me, but not a release blocker either I guess13:40
TrevinhoI've fixed it anyways13:40
seb128Trevinho, the description doesn't state that it hangs the desktop13:40
seb128I though dnd would just stop working until you press esc13:41
marcustomlinsonTrevinho: oh it's not clear that it hung the whole desktop13:41
seb128but if you fixed it ... in what component?13:41
Trevinhomh, ok... I think i got it that way, so maybe is different13:41
oSoMoNand the bug should be assigned to you13:41
TrevinhoI'll track it without being in rls, don't worry13:41
oSoMoN(if you fixed it)13:41
seb128right, please reassign to the right component13:41
seb128and make sure the fix you have is landing this week13:42
seb128is that on gnome-shell? when do we get a .1 release? ;)13:42
TrevinhoI think is jst the extension13:42
Trevinhoand well .1... I suppose the latest they can :)13:42
Laneyget back on track!13:42
tjaaltonseb128: got it13:43
seb128indeed13:43
seb128tjaalton, thx13:43
seb128that's it for incoming13:43
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:43
seb128no unassigned there13:43
Laneydid we miss https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons/+bug/1846776 ?13:44
ubot5Launchpad bug 1846776 in gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons (Ubuntu) "Renaming a desktop item causes the shell to hang" [High,In progress]13:44
seb128(I'm going to check with people if assigned items are on track for release or if they should be delayed to SRU)13:44
seb128Laney, seems like we did, thanks for catching it13:45
Laneynp13:45
seb128looks like an annoying consequence and Marco has a fix proposed upstream13:45
seb128I vote +1 to accept it13:45
Laneyshould surely be accepted I think13:45
Trevinhoyeah, I added it just to make sure we were tracking it13:45
seb128accepted, thx13:45
seb128k, good this time? ;)13:46
seb128I guess so13:47
seb128#topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages13:47
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seb128Laney, yours!13:47
Laneythx13:47
Laneylooks like systemd broke on i386, need to talk to rbali_nt about that13:48
Laneyand not sure about libproxy13:49
Laneyjbicha: you going to follow up on that one?13:49
seb128libproxy looks like mono installabilty on s390x13:49
Laneythink that's it for right now13:49
seb128from what I saw with a quick lock13:49
Laneysure, not to solve now though13:49
seb128but yeah, jbicha please have a look13:49
seb128thanks Laney13:50
seb128#topic AOB13:50
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seb128release is next week so please test eoan installer & installed system, including non english locales if you can13:50
seb128and raise/report any issue you find13:50
kenvandinewill do!13:50
seb128thx!13:51
seb128kenvandine, do we need to test the hyperv image as well?13:51
seb128I've to admit I tend to forget about that13:51
kenvandinei'll do that13:51
seb128k, thx13:51
seb128that was it from me13:51
kenvandinebut we likely won't have them published on release day13:51
seb128anything else?13:51
seb128seems not, that's a wrap then13:52
seb128thanks team, good luck with the line to 19.10!13:52
Laneyneat, thanks13:52
seb128#endmeeting13:52
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oSoMoNthanks13:52
seb128oSoMoN, do you think the tb/dictionnary thing is worth rls tagging?13:53
Trevinhothanks13:54
rbalintLaney, nice job not pinging me :-)13:54
Laneyhey rbalint13:56
Laneywas about to look at the logs a bit more13:56
Laneybut if you want to skip that step and look directly, be my guest :>13:56
rbalintLaney, looks sad indeed, did we start running i386 tests on amd64 kernel? exec-personality-x86.service: Executing: /bin/sh -x -c 'c=$(uname -m); test "$c" = "i686"'14:01
rbalint+ test x86_64 = i68614:01
Laneyrbalint: hmm, we might have done: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/2.61414:03
oSoMoNseb128, that's a regression, probably worth tagging, yes14:04
seb128oSoMoN, thx14:05
Laneyrbalint: so I guess uname -m there isn't that useful any more14:07
Laneyrbalint: but also, that this is technically 'badtest' for now I guess14:08
rbalintLaney, interesting times :-)14:08
rbalintLaney, yes, please14:09
Laneyoooooooooookey dokeyeyeyey14:10
Laneypoor i386 :(14:10
rbalintLaney, at least unlike to the armhf setup i can relicate that locally in qemu14:12
Laneytrue14:12
Laneyyou can do armhf non-locally though on canonistack (just mentioning for completeness, i'm sure you know that)14:12
rbalintLaney, no, can i do it easily with eoan?14:13
Laneyoh14:15
Laneyif you want to be close to what autopkgtest.ubuntu.com is doing14:15
Laneythen start a bionic arm64 instance and use autopkgtest-virt-lxd on there14:15
rbalintLaney, well this is close, but not really identical :-\14:18
rbalintLaney, i hoped you had something better ;-)14:19
Laneywhy not?14:19
Laneythat's exactly what we are using for armhf14:19
rbalintLaney, not eoan arm64 kernel?14:19
Laneynope14:19
rbalintLaney, ah, then i will give it a try next time, thanks14:20
Laneybut nothing stops you using that if you want to test something particular14:20
Laneythere should be eoan cloud images in there14:20
Laneyyou can search for "testbed running kernel" in a log to see what it's using14:21
LaneyoSoMoN: thanks for the ubiquity translations!14:23
oSoMoNLaney, thanks to you for requesting them in your status update, that was a good way to start the day for me14:24
ricotzObtober 10th would be the dead line to get a bug-fix update into the release?14:30
Laneydepends what it is14:30
ricotzvala package update14:31
seb128ricotz, the closest you get from the line the more targetted/needed for the ISO/installer the update needs to be14:31
seb128it can always be a (0 day) SRU then though14:31
ricotzit is about https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/swell-foop/issues/13 which originally caused by vala, but fixed otherwise already14:33
ricotzthe root cause although might effect other packages14:34
Laneyright, let me try to understand mwhudso_n's changes14:36
ricotzseb128, tomorrow would be sufficient?14:46
seb128ricotz, yes, tomorrow is probably still fine14:47
ricotzseb128, good14:47
seb128ricotz, I will try to have a look to your bionic SRU as well btw14:47
ricotzseb128, thanks, given some recent changes, having 0.40.17 would be better14:48
seb128ricotz, k, I can wait for that, it's not like I was waiting for work/things to review :)14:49
ricotz0.40.16 contains the problematic binding change too which broke swell-foop14:49
seb128ah ok14:50
ricotzseb128, thanks, but please take a look when it is available14:50
seb128will do14:50
ricotz(0.40.16 is already 2 months old)14:50
seb128right14:50
seb128you should really apply for upload rights at some point14:51
seb128or at least some ppu for vala :)14:51
ricotzyeah :(14:51
seb128what's the way again to get access to an armhf builder nowadays?15:33
seb128the porter box is down and the canonistack only have arm64 images15:33
oSoMoNseb128, armhf chroot or lxd on an arm64 canonistack instance15:34
seb128I guess there is a way to log into an armhf env from the arm64 one but I don't remember how :/15:34
seb128oSoMoN, any easy command to do that?15:34
* seb128 misses the good old day where you could just ssh to a porter box :-(15:35
seb128oh well, I'm going to give that another try later, need to step out for a bit15:37
seb128thx oSoMoN :)15:37
Laneylxc launch ubuntu-daily:e/armhf15:38
ograjust get a pi4/4GB and a USB3.1 SSD ... faster than LP or the cloud instances :)15:38
seb128Laney, thx, will try that later15:38
* oSoMoN goes to a PTA meeting, have a good rest of the day everyone15:44
Laneyhow do translation suggestions get approved?15:45
jibelit's approved by members of the local translation teams15:47
Laneymmm, no administrator?15:48
Laneyguess it's best if someone who understands it reviews it15:48
Laneyhope they are watching then :>15:48
jibelI sent a call for translation this morning to ubuntu-translators so hopefully they read this ML15:49
Laneyright, I saw a few unreviewed ones which probably resulted from that15:51
Laneywould be sad if they didn't make it because of not being accepted15:52
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jibelFrench translations have been approved16:20
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Laneynight17:08
Laneyhopefully tomorrow's iso is better17:08
willcookenight all18:01
kenvandineamurray: communitheme-dark isn't in gtk-common-themes and i'm not sure why.  We build Yaru with communitheme_compat=true18:28
kenvandineto get communitheme18:28
kenvandineso I guess Yaru isn't producing the dark variant in that case18:28
kenvandineamurray: i found the problem and submitted a Yaru PR to fix it18:50
kenvandineclobrano, can you take a look at https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/pull/1567 ?18:51
gitbotubuntu issue (Pull request) 1567 in yaru "When building with communitheme_compat, link the dark varient as well" [Open]18:51
amurraykenvandine: nice (fyi I am using communitheme-light - do you need a similar fix for this as well?)23:13

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