[00:20] <mason> Just curious - I read that Eoan Ermine's desktop installer can install to ZFS by default, but I'm not finding how to get the installer to present this.
[00:22] <mason> ubiquity --help doesn't show an "experimental" mode and the partitioner doesn't offer ZFS.
[00:23] <mason> Going to try again after manually installing zfsutils-linux in the live environment.
[00:26] <OerHeks> it is in the installer, https://youtu.be/z9XT8Tn4Z8c?t=81
[00:26] <mason> OerHeks: ty, looking
[00:26] <OerHeks> it needs full disk, be aware of that
[00:27] <mason> OerHeks: I have a full disk to see it. I don't see the EXPERIMENTAL option, though. Under "erase disk and install Ubuntu" I have an encrypt checkbox, LVM, and "something else" which gives me the partitioner
[00:27] <mason> This is with ubuntu-19.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso as downloaded a day or two ago.
[00:28] <mason> Hm, yeah, definitely not the same. I wonder if I somehow got the wrong installer.
[00:28] <OerHeks> i haven't touched zfs yet..
[00:31] <mason> OerHeks: When you do, I imagine you'll be quite happy with it.
[00:32] <mason> Oh, that says something about master. I wonder if I need to grab a new Ubiquity from the live environment.
[00:34] <mason> OerHeks: Ah, and that's it. The comment on that YouTube video mentions Ubiquity 19.10.14, and I've got 19.10.12 on this disk.
[00:35] <mason> OerHeks: Is there a nightly build directory somewhere where I can get a new image?
[00:37] <mason> Found it: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[00:37] <mason> will be back after download
[01:42] <mason> OerHeks: Argh, I saw. The daily image doesn't even have the latest Ubiquity. I wonder if I can just install it...
[01:43] <OerHeks> oh, i am still searching what goes wrong, do not see it either
[01:44] <mason> OerHeks: Ah. So, the latest daily has .13, the video has .14, and an update seems to have .16. I'll confirm.
[01:46] <mason> Yar, after updating I have Ubiquity 19.10.16. I assume that has it, but we'll see.
[01:48] <mason> There it is.
[01:51] <mason> OerHeks: So, it has the option, and then lets you use "Advanced Partitioning Tool for more control" one you've selected ZFS, but the tool doesn't seem to know ZFS, and there's no evident way to select more than one disk, or encryption, so I'm guessing for their first try they're only allowing unmirrored, unencrypted ZFS.
[01:53] <mason> And... It's populated it with ext4 for some reason.
[01:53] <mason> Maybe it needed the tools installed and the kernel module loaded. I'll explore that tomorrow, I guess.
[01:54] <mason> In the meantime, it's not hard doing a root (even on LUKS, even on mirrors) install with debootstrap, and I might try THAT tomorrow as well.
[01:55] <mason> Oh, it did some funny conversion... Curious. I killed Ubiquity, and now instead of seeing an ext4 I see a ZFS pool. I'll let it go through and do its thing I guess.
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> just noticing passby: bug #1847406
[04:21] <ubottu> bug 1847406 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installing 19.10 daily for 2019-10-08 + zfs failed install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1847406
[09:26] <tomreyn> i assume this would already be fixed in todays' daily.
[10:17] <tomreyn> wohoo, did a uefi zfs install, which was stated had succeeded, but it can't boot, grub only knows about "System setup"
[10:39] <tomreyn> bug 1847469
[10:39] <ubottu> bug 1847469 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "19.10 daily 20191009: amd64 UEFI zfs_install succeeds but cannot boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1847469
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: ^
[11:05] <RikMills> asking in #ubuntu-desktop
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> tnx RikMills 
[11:21] <tomreyn> i just noticed the installer / live system has upgrades available - so it may be PEBKAC
[11:21] <tomreyn> i'll redo the installation after apt full-uüpgrade on the live system
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> welcoem LuckyMan 
[11:47] <LuckyMan> thank you
[11:48] <LuckyMan> To test I only do do-release-upgrade -d ?
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: right now there's 2 options to try for testers, using the daily iso (reccomended) or testing the 19.10 beta
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: we try to advice not to upgrade before final, to prevent giving the developers too much work
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: clean install daily is the 'better' way to help testing out bugs on devel versions
[11:50] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, ok where do I get the .iso?
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: see the topic in this channel for the daily iso
[11:56] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, downloading. I will install this on old Toshiba L-300
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> thank you for helping testing ubuntu 19.10 LuckyMan 
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> !final | LuckyMan TIP:
[11:57] <ubottu> LuckyMan TIP:: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Eoan and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 19.10 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade » in a terminal.
[11:59] <LuckyMan> is the experimental ZFS ready in the current build?
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> should be yes LuckyMan 
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: let us know if its available :p
[12:10] <LuckyMan> I usually have an issue on this computer, it uses intel graphics old processor and I have to do a GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=”quiet splash vídeo=SVIDEO-1:d”
[12:10] <LuckyMan> otherwise it will take ages to boot
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: nomodeset could also help on graphics issues
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: if its a real old system, may i advice a lubuntu/xubuntu 19.10?
[12:12] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, it has 2Gb RAM, it's currently running Ubuntu 19.04 with no problems (other than a little slow)
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> yeah i agree LuckyMan if you tweak ubuntu with gnome a bit, you can make it work more decent
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> i ran ubuntu-desktop long time on an amd3200 with 2gb ram without issues
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> but general we reccomend more then 4GB ram for gnome running smooth
[12:16] <LuckyMan> I can see a big difference on just 4GB, and my main system with 8GB is runs it wonderfully
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: the ubuntu disk creator overwrites your usb with the new .iso you downloaded
[12:39] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, ok thanks
[12:43] <tomreyn> LuckyMan: be sure to run this after boot on the current daily installer: sudo systemctl start cdrom.mount
[12:44] <tomreyn> should be needed if you run the beta
[12:46] <tomreyn> this is bug 1847457
[12:46] <ubottu> bug 1847457 in casper (Ubuntu) "No /cdrom mounted on live" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1847457
[12:49] <LuckyMan> tomreyn, this should be run after all the boot process?
[12:49] <tomreyn> LuckyMan: once the live/installer has booted and before you start installing
[12:50] <tomreyn> (so when the desktop loads and you can interact with it.)
[12:50] <LuckyMan> how do I access command line there?
[12:51] <tomreyn> ctrl-alt-t is a way
[12:51] <tomreyn> or click on activieis and type term
[12:51] <tomreyn> basically, the same as always on gnome-shell
[12:51] <tomreyn> * activities
[12:52] <tomreyn> right--click on desktop and select "Open in Terminal" is yet another way.
[12:52] <LuckyMan> oh, I didn't read you well, I see
[12:56] <tomreyn> installing with just 2 GB RAM should work, but it will take a bit longer. my 2 GB RAM VM ran into a situation where it needed to recover RAM repeatedly during installation.
[13:21] <LuckyMan> tomreyn, failed to start cdrom.mount: Unit cdrom.mount is masked
[13:22] <tomreyn> LuckyMan: which installer are yuo using?
[13:22] <tomreyn> do you see files listed wheny ou run   ls /cdrom/    ?
[13:23] <LuckyMan> tomreyn, yes
[13:23] <tomreyn> thanks for answering one of two questions so far
[13:24] <LuckyMan> tomreyn, sorry, I'm using the firt link I found from the daily-live/current
[13:25] <LuckyMan> the desktop image
[13:26] <tomreyn> okay, just go on then, should be fine
[13:26] <LuckyMan> ok
[13:28] <tomreyn> ah so the 'current' URL currently points to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20191006/ so the installer from sunday
[13:29] <LuckyMan> I can't see the option for ZFS
[13:29] <LuckyMan> at least on the portuguese menu
[13:30] <LuckyMan> I will proceed with the installation anyway
[13:31] <tomreyn> oh you want zfs? then you may need to use todays' image and do the    sudo systemctl start cdrom.mount
[13:31] <LuckyMan> tomreyn, nevermind I'm curious about zfs, but I will install this one first
[13:32] <LuckyMan> do you guys usually use LVM?
[13:33] <tomreyn> personally i do, yes
[13:36] <LuckyMan> ok it's coying files, this will take a while, I'm going to lunch
[13:37] <LuckyMan> *copying
[13:40] <tomreyn> so the reason the current/ URL points to 20191006/ is that the builds after that failed some automated tests, so the link was not updated and points ot the 'known good' test build from Sunday.
[13:42] <tomreyn> Some people (incl.. me) have been able to install fine using todays' 20191009/ iso with the ZFS option, though (but running "sudo systemctl start cdrom.mount" once may be needed there).
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[14:07] <LuckyMan> The install process didn't asked me to remove my usb flash and press enter
[14:07] <lotus|i5> LuckyMan: can you press F1 to switch to text shutdown?
[14:09] <LuckyMan> lotus|i5, it restarted without my intervention, I currently logged in
[14:09] <lotus|i5> right
[14:10] <LuckyMan> should I make updates?
[14:10] <LuckyMan> it's saying there are some
[14:10] <lotus|i5> make?
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[14:12] <LuckyMan> lotus, update the system. I currently doing it.
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> yeah always update the system to latest
[14:14] <LuckyMan> btw, examples.desktop doesn't show an icon with shortcut on the personal folder.
[14:15] <LuckyMan> it shows a text file icon, and I think it opens as text
[14:17] <LuckyMan> (I think it had the same behaviour on 19.04) maybe it should be erased or corrected
[14:23] <LuckyMan> about 80 secs to boot to login on this L-300 is very good (specially since I didn't had to tweek grub)
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> 19.04 and higher have fast bootings
[14:33] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, not on this machine
[14:34] <LuckyMan> 19.04 has some sort of boot problem because of of intel graphics bug
[14:35] <LuckyMan> and with this one I didn't notice anything
[14:37] <LuckyMan> I've just installed 2 snaps, the first worked fine (bzoing). I'm testing olivia now
[14:54] <LuckyMan> well, at first sight everything looks fine, I will now pass the computer to a great tester: my 13 years old niece
[18:59] <LuckyMan> In 19.10 when I switch to High Contrast in Universal Access and then back to normal, the desktop icons remain High Contrast until I reboot.
[19:00] <LuckyMan> Not a big issue thow.
[19:03] <LuckyMan> Also I don't understand why (Ubuntu all versions) at login I can't use the touchpad to select the Login user, I have to press the button (can't tap)
[19:03] <LuckyMan> to select user