[01:07] <svendre> hi, does anyone know if ZFS was merged into Ubiquity for Eoan Ermine yet?
[01:08] <Bashing-om> svendre: In the latest spins -yes .
[01:08] <svendre> Bashing-om: oh that's exciting, thanks!
[01:09] <Bashing-om> svendre: Long awaited :D
[01:09] <svendre> yeah.. I think it's a really excellent decision. It's going to sway me off debian.
[01:12] <OerHeks>  Ubiquity 19.10.16 iirc
[01:13] <OerHeks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[08:25] <tomreyn> has anyone else tested suspend (to ram) with the intallers' zfs option? it may be due to my test environment (the latest virtualbox guest utils do not fully support the 5.3 guest kernel, yet), though, and i have not yet compared to a standard installation.
[08:27] <tomreyn> "it" being: power management does kick in on the acpi signal and logs shutdown of disks, but the system does not shut off, it keeps shoing a blinking cursor on screen. this *could* be just how virtualbox represents / handles it, however.
[08:28] <tomreyn> to clarify, when i say "suspend (to ram) with the intallers' zfs option" i mean: install using the zfs option, boot into the now installed system, enter suspend to RAM.
[08:36] <tomreyn> hmm, i don't really use nautilus much, but i guess it's a general expectation that drag and drop interactions with files and folders should work on a graphical file manager and desktop. that's only partially so with nautilus and the 19.04 desktop still.
[08:37] <tomreyn> drag and drop within nautilus always moves, never copies, from what i can tell.
[08:42] <tomreyn> the desktop gnome-shell-extension still really only implements some 75% of the features it'd need to.
[08:43] <tomreyn> but the dekstop feels faster and more responsive now, that's nice indeed.
[08:44] <tomreyn> i should maybe have posted this to -discuss instead, sorry if anyone minds it.
[09:48] <danboid> Does eoan have a command for creating ZFS/GRUB boot environments yet?
[09:53] <danboid> I tried my first Ubuntu ZFS root install last night. There is a typo in ubiquity as it still says it is creating ext4 partitions when you choose ZFS
[10:38] <danboid> I would imagine ZFS boot envs will be handled by the zsys command but it doesn't seem to do anything yet
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> danboid: is this ubuntu-desktop iso? beta or live daily?
[10:39] <danboid> lotuspsychje, daily
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> danboid: maybe you can the #ubuntu-desktop team
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> *ask
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: maybe inetresting for you too ^
[11:07] <tomreyn> danboid: which daily iso is it?
[11:08] <danboid> tomreyn, I've mailed the zsys dev, he'll know
[11:08] <tomreyn> he'll know which image you used?
[11:08] <tomreyn> oh you mean you told him, i see.
[11:08] <danboid> No, if it can create ZFS boot envs yet
[11:09] <tomreyn> i did it yesterday, that's why i'm asking which daily image you used
[11:09] <danboid> Why would that matter anyway? I used a eoan daily from yesterday
[11:10] <tomreyn> he can certainly tell you better, of course. mightr also be very busy these days, though
[11:10] <tomreyn> there were two yesterday. the first one may have required running     sudo systemctl start cdrom.mount     after the desktop started
[11:11] <tomreyn> but that's just to ensure the kernel gets installed, independant of the installation type you used
[11:12] <tomreyn> i also used the first one anfd got a zfs booting system
[11:18] <danboid> Yeah it installs and boots but thats not my question
[11:19] <tomreyn> ah then i got you wrong there, sorry
[11:36] <RikMills> lotuspsychje: not tried it yet, on any iso
[16:51] <bittin_> RC of 19.10 in 10 minutes
[17:44] <dax> ^ nope. when they *are* out, they'll be listed on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ i believe
 [..] RCs are just the dailies leading up to final release, there's no formal publishing for them.
[18:05] <tomreyn> so, yes, looks like bittin made this up
[19:01] <archetech> got a hard freeze during  ssh session     after fresh update today
[19:02] <archetech> using nouveau fyi
[21:20] <mason> tomreyn: Does Eoan install zfs-initramfs or does it use something else to boot the ZFS root?
[21:25] <tomreyn> mason: i don't know OTOH
[21:25] <tomreyn> just give it a try maybe
[21:26] <mason> Well. I did, and it failed to set up the bootloader, but it won't do mirroring or encryption anyway.
[21:26] <mason> I'm updating my old debootstrap-based script I used to do ZFS root installs on Xenial, but I'm curious if they have any new tricks I want to integrate.
[21:26] <tomreyn> zfs-initramfs is installed on my test system
[21:27] <mason> kk, cool, they're probably using it then
[21:27] <mason> tomreyn: If I could pester you for a pastebin of bootloader config I'd be grateful.
[21:27] <tomreyn> mason: if you can pass me some commands i am happy to run them there
[21:27] <mason> Like, /etc/default/grub, or /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:28] <mason> Sure. Catting those two would be most useful.
[21:28] <tomreyn> https://termbin.com/6aqu
[21:28] <mason> Alright, that's pretty standard then.
[21:28] <tomreyn> https://termbin.com/lkkv
[21:29] <mason> Ah, definitely zfs-initramfs then, as that root=ZFS=rpool/ROOT/ubuntu_pdy54c is one of the bits of syntax it'll accept.
[21:29] <mason> Thank you very much.
[21:30] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[21:30] <mason> tomreyn: Is the hd0,gpt3 it's looking at a straight ext4 /boot or something?
[21:30] <mason> Or are they pulling from the actual rpool?
[21:31] <mason> They're saying "insmod zfs" so I could see it going either way.
[21:31] <tomreyn> commands i can run please
[21:32] <tomreyn> https://termbin.com/l1fw
[21:32] <mason> hm, hm... If it gives actual device names, zpool status rpool would be useful
[21:32] <tomreyn> cat /proc/partitions
[21:32] <mason> That's cool but it doesn't tell us who's in there. :)
[21:32] <tomreyn> https://termbin.com/9jhz
[21:33] <mason> Hm, so sda4 is likely gpt3 if I'm remembering right, with the gpt naming starting at zero.
[21:34] <mason> tomreyn: Thank you. I suspect GRUB isn't up to native encryption, so I'll probably keep my kernel/initramfs in the ESP, but it's useful seeing which way they're going. Thank you.
[21:36] <tomreyn> mason: you're welcome. i suggest just installing in a VM again, i don't see why it wouldn't work with the latest snapshots
[21:37] <mason> Yeah, I may well do that. I updated my Xenial install doc to cover Devuan, and now I'm updating that for Eoan. I'll share the results once I've got them, and yeah, I'll poke at it in a VM too.
[22:05] <mason> tomreyn: for kicks: https://bpaste.net/show/glQ4
[22:06] <tomreyn> oh encryption, hmm?
[22:07] <mason> tomreyn: and mirroring, together
[22:07] <tomreyn> i was thinking encryption was one of the features that's not considered stable, yet, but i really have pretty much no clue about zfs at all
[22:08] <mason> tomreyn: Well, there's an issue with variable record sizes that can bite folks using crypto under some circumstances.
[22:08] <mason> https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/issues/6224
[22:08] <mason> that one
[22:08] <mason> But for this test laptop, I'm okay with it.
[22:09] <tomreyn> doh, they're already at issue 6000+
[22:09] <mason> Been going for some years now.
[22:09] <tomreyn> almost 10k
[22:10] <tomreyn> i'll need to read a zfs primer the other day, and play with it. not tonight, though. ;)
[22:10] <mason> It's good stuff, and Ubuntu's making it pretty easy to get.
[23:51] <wonko> Are there any known issues with nginx on the current 19.10? I installed nginx, didn't do anything at all to the config so it's all default and I get this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YKwNBq4qgp/