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didrocksgood morning05:49
jibelmorning all05:51
dufluMorning didrocks and jibel05:54
didrockshey duflu, jibel05:54
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oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers, happy Friday!07:29
didrockssalut oSoMoN, joyeux vendredi !07:30
oSoMoNsalut didrocks07:30
dufluMorning oSoMoN07:37
oSoMoNhey duflu07:39
willcookeyawn.  morning all07:48
dufluMorning willcooke07:51
WimpressMorning o/07:51
dufluAnd morning Wimpress07:51
willcookeafternoon duflu07:51
willcookehi Wimpress07:51
didrockshey willcooke, Wimpress07:52
willcookehey didrocks07:52
Wimpressdidrocks: nice job on correcting Jim via Twitter.07:52
WimpressHe DMd again last night. He is interested in writing more articles about ZFS on Ubuntu.07:53
WimpressAlso mentioned some tools (I think he wrote) to manage snapshots.07:53
didrocksWimpress: :) he looks like a really nice guy! Nice to see accurate technical deep dive07:53
didrocksyeah, he did some07:53
didrocksI'm drafting the second blog post (the first was in august) today07:54
didrocksthis one won't really talk about zsys yet07:54
didrocksbut rather covering the current state in the desktop, and will tease about zsys07:54
didrocksI think for next set of articles, we can give him some preview after reviewed and so on07:54
didrocksbut time is short, between bug fixing and that… :p07:55
WimpressThat all sounds great 🙂07:56
marcustomlinsonmorning jibel didrocks duflu oSoMoN willcooke Wimpress07:58
willcookehowdy marcustomlinson07:58
dufluMorning marcustomlinson07:58
didrockshey marcustomlinson07:59
WimpressMorning o/07:59
oSoMoNgood morning willcooke, Wimpress, marcustomlinson08:03
willcookehi oSoMoN08:03
popeyMorning desktoppers08:11
marcustomlinsonhey popey08:12
willcookemorning popey08:12
dufluMorning popey08:12
oSoMoNgood morning popey08:12
popeydo we know if the 11-10-2019 isos are bootable/installable today? :)08:12
willcookedownloading atm08:14
popeyYesterday on my 1904 to 1910 upgraded system I had real trouble with gnome-software, want to see if it's still an issue on a clean install.08:25
popeyIt would initially not show me debs at all. Then after killing gnome-software and restarting, it wouldn't show me snaps! :S08:25
popeyWas in a strange either/or state. Only fixed after a reboot.08:25
jibeldidrocks, said the shell is crahsing in the live session08:26
jibelpopey, ^08:26
popeyaw08:26
* popey gets the iso anyway08:26
* dupondje hopes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1844523 will get fixed :D08:34
ubot5Launchpad bug 1844523 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "Dock hidden after lock/unlock" [Undecided,New]08:34
popeyFWIW, I did an install from today's ISO using zfs. It worked.08:48
jibelYay \o/08:51
jibelthanks for testing popey08:52
didrocksgreat ;)09:04
Trevinhomorning guyz09:25
popeyWhy is there an "examples.desktop" in my home on eoan which when clicked opens it in gedit?09:27
popeyShouldn't that be a symlink?09:28
Trevinhodupondje: ah, I didn't remember that... I will check the Wayland session later09:28
oSoMoNpopey, fwiw I'm seeing the same, the desktop file opens in gedit09:35
oSoMoNnot very useful09:35
oSoMoNgood news everyone! the chromium theming bug (most notable when using CSD) appears to be fixed with gtk-common-themes from the candidate channel09:37
marcustomlinsonoSoMoN: nice!09:39
willcookepopey, oSoMoN - same in the live session.  Logging a bug09:44
willcookehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/184773609:47
ubot5Launchpad bug 1847736 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "examples.desktop file in home dir is opening in gedit" [Undecided,Confirmed]09:47
willcookelooks like its been broken for a while09:52
popeyright click a folder in home, there is a blank line at the end of the context menu. This doesn't happen with files.09:56
popeyhttps://pad.lv/184773810:09
ubot5Launchpad bug 1847738 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Empty item in folder context menu" [Undecided,New]10:09
popeyhttps://pad.lv/184774010:16
ubot5Launchpad bug 1847740 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Auto-hide dock causes clock/notification to move" [Undecided,New]10:16
jbicharicotz: no 😉10:21
jbicharicotz: you forgot to mention the reason why the swell-foop rebuild is needed and I need a reason for it to get through the Release Team10:22
jbichafiling a bug might be helpful too10:23
ricotzjbicha, just try to start it :)10:30
jbicharicotz: any idea why a rebuild would fix that?10:31
ricotzjbicha, a vala binding change, the upstream fix circumvent this problem, but a simple rebuild now does the trick too10:31
jbichaok, I don't think I'll have time until late today10:32
popeyIs it expected to have a 0.8s delay between clicking applications and the icons appearing?10:33
popeyThat feels very long.10:33
jbichapopey: I think Super+A is faster, what do you think?10:34
popeyhi jbicha !. yes, super A is much faster. I had no idea Super A was a thing. It's weirdly inconsistent though. Super A punches you in the face immediately but animates them away when you exit10:37
popeyso clicking application icon is slow to appear/disappear, but pressing super a is fast to appear, slow to disappear. Weird UX10:38
jbichaI helped copy the Super A shortcut from Unity a long time ago (the shortcut, not the specific behavior/delay, etc.)10:39
popeyExcellent! I appreciate that! :D10:39
popeyThe animation is typically used to indicate to new users where the icons "went".10:39
popeyUnity sped up over time, because once you know where the icons go, you don't need a slow animation to remind you constantly.10:40
popeyDoesn't feel like g-s gets faster over time.10:40
willcookepopey, if you fancy playing, check out the "impatience" extension and see if you can get the behaviour you like from tweaking that.  Would be a useful check point on whats tweakable10:40
popeyInstalled, and that's also weird.10:41
popeyIf you set that to the fastest setting "0.00" it still clearly animates but zero speed, so there's a strange flicker as the icons appear10:42
popeyso it's kinda as fast as super a, but worse because it judders onto the screen10:42
popeySetting it to 0.1~0.2 or so, undoes that weirdness, and makes it all much quicker. (still weird to be inconsistent between the icon and super a)10:43
jbichaImpatience has been one of the most popular Extensions for a long time so it might be worth trying to start a dialog with GNOME Design about the animation speed there10:51
popeyInitially it's less the animation speed, more the delay10:52
popeyThere's a significant delay (easing) before *anything* animates. It doesn't start as soon as you click the button.10:52
jbichathe delay might be difficult to fix 😢10:52
popeymaybe 0.5s10:52
popeyI don't think it's a bug, but actual coded-in delay10:53
popeyI am no expert tho :D10:53
Trevinhodidrocks: hey, apparently desktop-icons wasn't synced from debian, could you do that?11:13
didrocksTrevinho: is there any new features, or bug fixing only?11:13
Trevinhodidrocks: just fixes11:13
Trevinhoand a rls-bug one most of all11:14
didrockspfff, il faut que je sync d'abord le truc de Trevhino11:18
* didrocks sur les rotules11:18
* didrocks too tired!11:19
didrocksTrevinho: I can't find your package11:19
Trevinhodidrocks: sorry, but today all the desktop_pers are off :)11:19
didrocksno worry, just give me the package name, I'm trying to find your stuff but I think I'm dead cerebrally after too many emails, upload, fixes, writing and sync :p11:20
Trevinhodidrocks: oh, actually I noticed is already https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/eoan/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons11:20
didrocksTrevinho: ah see :)11:20
Trevinhoso don't need to be bothered, it just went in 2nd page and was too long11:20
Trevinhoto notice there was one :)11:20
didrocksI guess you can ping on #u-release if you want to have it for the week-end11:20
Trevinhowell, no much rush, unless we can get in into the iso11:21
didrocksTrevinho: I tried to get some stuff as well that I uploaded this morning, we'll see ;)11:22
Trevinhodidrocks: yeah, I noticed xD11:22
didrockswill be great to have all that ready for the week-end, when I think we'll have more testers11:22
didrocksI still don't understand why apt-get search desktop | grep shell didn't work to find it back11:23
Trevinhodidrocks: no clue, even searching in the queue work when you search for "desktop-icons" but it does if you search "gnome-shell-extension"11:24
Trevinhonot really a grep apparently11:24
didrocksweird…11:25
didrocksok, I'm not alone at least :)11:25
didrocksis the conference still on ?11:25
oSoMoNWimpress, I'm looking at replicating https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/eoan-stable/revision/1494.1.3/chromium-browser for the MATE desktop, could you point me to how favourites/launchers are created and stored in MATE?12:18
oSoMoNI also wanna do the same for Plasma, if anyone is familiar with how it's done there I'm interested12:20
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oSoMoNokay, I think I found it for mate-panel, there's a "launcher-location" key for each object under org.mate.panel.object-id-list12:53
oSoMoNnot ideal because that means iterating over all existing objects, but that shouldn't be too hard12:54
oSoMoNthe benefit is minimal though, because the running state of an application is not connected to the launcher button12:54
oSoMoNWimpress, does that look sane? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NxS8G32wTk/13:09
popeyI'm gonna do a little 19.10 noodling around live stream in ~15 mins. No requirement to watch. Just thought I'd let you know if you have a second screen to have nonsense playing on <3  https://youtu.be/EAnSDaSiwnw13:14
oSoMoNa good opportunity to test Picture-in-Picture :)13:27
kenvandinepopey: nobody reads the documentation :)13:32
oSoMoNkenvandine, a user pointed out that the chromium snap theming bug is fixed with gtk-common-themes from the candidate channel, and I confirmed this finding13:46
oSoMoNkenvandine, can it be promoted to stable?13:46
kenvandineoSoMoN: yes!13:46
kenvandineI just finished testing that ;)13:46
kenvandineit fixes a few things13:47
oSoMoNperfect timing!13:47
kenvandineoSoMoN: promoted13:48
oSoMoNkenvandine, cheers13:49
oSoMoNWimpress, I pushed my changes to the chromium-browser wrapper for MATE: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/eoan-stable/revision/151713:50
oSoMoNyour feedback welcome13:50
hellsworthmorning everyone14:03
willcookemorning hellsworth14:06
kenvandinemorning hellsworth14:06
hellsworthhappy friday :)14:06
didrockshey hellsworth14:06
oSoMoNgood morning hellsworth14:20
hellsworthgood morning all!14:23
marcustomlinsonhey hellsworth14:39
hellsworthhey marcustomlinson14:39
hellsworthlook at this!14:39
hellsworthhttps://snapcraft.io/gnome-3-34-180414:39
hellsworth:D14:39
marcustomlinson:)14:39
hellsworthon my workstation running 19.10, i've noticed that periodically my screen flashes, briefly showing the windows in the background on the same screen and i have this gnome-shell log in syslog:15:15
hellsworthOct 11 09:12:06 bmo gnome-shell[2487]: JS ERROR: Exception in callback for signal: trigger: TypeError: this._rippleAnimation is not a function#012_showApplications@/home/heather/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/custom-hot-corners@janrunx.gmail.com/extension.js:243:9#012_runAction@/home/heather/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/custom-hot-corners@janrunx.gmail.com/extension.js:221:13#012_emit@resource:///org/gnome/15:15
hellsworthgjs/modules/signals.js:135:27#012_trigger@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/layout.js:1382:9#012_onBarrierHit@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/layout.js:1405:1315:15
hellsworthi can't reproduce it. it just happens periodically.15:15
hellsworthhas anyone else seen similar behavior?15:15
hellsworthit's weird taht there's a gmail address in that error15:16
marcustomlinsonhellsworth: it's common practice to use an email address in your extension UUID15:23
marcustomlinsonhttps://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Extensions/UUIDGuidelines15:23
marcustomlinsonhellsworth: so that error looks to be coming from the custom-hot-corners extension15:23
hellsworthah ok then email address is fine15:29
marcustomlinsonhellsworth: disable that extension and see if the problem goes away then I guess15:36
hellsworthyeah i tried. it's in a funky state now15:37
hellsworthi guess i'll reboot. it's been a week anyways15:37
marcustomlinsonhellsworth: Alt + F2 , type 'r' then Enter15:37
marcustomlinsonto restart the gnome shell15:37
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willcookenight all17:12
oSoMoNhave a good week-end everyone!17:27

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