[05:49] <didrocks> good morning
[05:51] <jibel> morning all
[05:54] <duflu> Morning didrocks and jibel
[05:54] <didrocks> hey duflu, jibel
[07:29] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers, happy Friday!
[07:30] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, joyeux vendredi !
[07:30] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:37] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:39] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:48] <willcooke> yawn.  morning all
[07:51] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[07:51] <Wimpress> Morning o/
[07:51] <duflu> And morning Wimpress
[07:51] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[07:51] <willcooke> hi Wimpress
[07:52] <didrocks> hey willcooke, Wimpress
[07:52] <willcooke> hey didrocks
[07:52] <Wimpress> didrocks: nice job on correcting Jim via Twitter.
[07:53] <Wimpress> He DMd again last night. He is interested in writing more articles about ZFS on Ubuntu.
[07:53] <Wimpress> Also mentioned some tools (I think he wrote) to manage snapshots.
[07:53] <didrocks> Wimpress: :) he looks like a really nice guy! Nice to see accurate technical deep dive
[07:53] <didrocks> yeah, he did some
[07:54] <didrocks> I'm drafting the second blog post (the first was in august) today
[07:54] <didrocks> this one won't really talk about zsys yet
[07:54] <didrocks> but rather covering the current state in the desktop, and will tease about zsys
[07:54] <didrocks> I think for next set of articles, we can give him some preview after reviewed and so on
[07:55] <didrocks> but time is short, between bug fixing and that… :p
[07:56] <Wimpress> That all sounds great 🙂
[07:58] <marcustomlinson> morning jibel didrocks duflu oSoMoN willcooke Wimpress
[07:58] <willcooke> howdy marcustomlinson
[07:58] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[07:59] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[07:59] <Wimpress> Morning o/
[08:03] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke, Wimpress, marcustomlinson
[08:03] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN
[08:11] <popey> Morning desktoppers
[08:12] <marcustomlinson> hey popey
[08:12] <willcooke> morning popey
[08:12] <duflu> Morning popey
[08:12] <oSoMoN> good morning popey
[08:12] <popey> do we know if the 11-10-2019 isos are bootable/installable today? :)
[08:14] <willcooke> downloading atm
[08:25] <popey> Yesterday on my 1904 to 1910 upgraded system I had real trouble with gnome-software, want to see if it's still an issue on a clean install.
[08:25] <popey> It would initially not show me debs at all. Then after killing gnome-software and restarting, it wouldn't show me snaps! :S
[08:25] <popey> Was in a strange either/or state. Only fixed after a reboot.
[08:26] <jibel> didrocks, said the shell is crahsing in the live session
[08:26] <jibel> popey, ^
[08:26] <popey> aw
[08:26]  * popey gets the iso anyway
[08:34]  * dupondje hopes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1844523 will get fixed :D
[08:48] <popey> FWIW, I did an install from today's ISO using zfs. It worked.
[08:51] <jibel> Yay \o/
[08:52] <jibel> thanks for testing popey
[09:04] <didrocks> great ;)
[09:25] <Trevinho> morning guyz
[09:27] <popey> Why is there an "examples.desktop" in my home on eoan which when clicked opens it in gedit?
[09:28] <popey> Shouldn't that be a symlink?
[09:28] <Trevinho> dupondje: ah, I didn't remember that... I will check the Wayland session later
[09:35] <oSoMoN> popey, fwiw I'm seeing the same, the desktop file opens in gedit
[09:35] <oSoMoN> not very useful
[09:37] <oSoMoN> good news everyone! the chromium theming bug (most notable when using CSD) appears to be fixed with gtk-common-themes from the candidate channel
[09:39] <marcustomlinson> oSoMoN: nice!
[09:44] <willcooke> popey, oSoMoN - same in the live session.  Logging a bug
[09:47] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1847736
[09:52] <willcooke> looks like its been broken for a while
[09:56] <popey> right click a folder in home, there is a blank line at the end of the context menu. This doesn't happen with files.
[10:09] <popey> https://pad.lv/1847738
[10:16] <popey> https://pad.lv/1847740
[10:21] <jbicha> ricotz: no 😉
[10:22] <jbicha> ricotz: you forgot to mention the reason why the swell-foop rebuild is needed and I need a reason for it to get through the Release Team
[10:23] <jbicha> filing a bug might be helpful too
[10:30] <ricotz> jbicha, just try to start it :)
[10:31] <jbicha> ricotz: any idea why a rebuild would fix that?
[10:31] <ricotz> jbicha, a vala binding change, the upstream fix circumvent this problem, but a simple rebuild now does the trick too
[10:32] <jbicha> ok, I don't think I'll have time until late today
[10:33] <popey> Is it expected to have a 0.8s delay between clicking applications and the icons appearing?
[10:33] <popey> That feels very long.
[10:34] <jbicha> popey: I think Super+A is faster, what do you think?
[10:37] <popey> hi jbicha !. yes, super A is much faster. I had no idea Super A was a thing. It's weirdly inconsistent though. Super A punches you in the face immediately but animates them away when you exit
[10:38] <popey> so clicking application icon is slow to appear/disappear, but pressing super a is fast to appear, slow to disappear. Weird UX
[10:39] <jbicha> I helped copy the Super A shortcut from Unity a long time ago (the shortcut, not the specific behavior/delay, etc.)
[10:39] <popey> Excellent! I appreciate that! :D
[10:39] <popey> The animation is typically used to indicate to new users where the icons "went".
[10:40] <popey> Unity sped up over time, because once you know where the icons go, you don't need a slow animation to remind you constantly.
[10:40] <popey> Doesn't feel like g-s gets faster over time.
[10:40] <willcooke> popey, if you fancy playing, check out the "impatience" extension and see if you can get the behaviour you like from tweaking that.  Would be a useful check point on whats tweakable
[10:41] <popey> Installed, and that's also weird.
[10:42] <popey> If you set that to the fastest setting "0.00" it still clearly animates but zero speed, so there's a strange flicker as the icons appear
[10:42] <popey> so it's kinda as fast as super a, but worse because it judders onto the screen
[10:43] <popey> Setting it to 0.1~0.2 or so, undoes that weirdness, and makes it all much quicker. (still weird to be inconsistent between the icon and super a)
[10:51] <jbicha> Impatience has been one of the most popular Extensions for a long time so it might be worth trying to start a dialog with GNOME Design about the animation speed there
[10:52] <popey> Initially it's less the animation speed, more the delay
[10:52] <popey> There's a significant delay (easing) before *anything* animates. It doesn't start as soon as you click the button.
[10:52] <jbicha> the delay might be difficult to fix 😢
[10:52] <popey> maybe 0.5s
[10:53] <popey> I don't think it's a bug, but actual coded-in delay
[10:53] <popey> I am no expert tho :D
[11:13] <Trevinho> didrocks: hey, apparently desktop-icons wasn't synced from debian, could you do that?
[11:13] <didrocks> Trevinho: is there any new features, or bug fixing only?
[11:13] <Trevinho> didrocks: just fixes
[11:14] <Trevinho> and a rls-bug one most of all
[11:18] <didrocks> pfff, il faut que je sync d'abord le truc de Trevhino
[11:18]  * didrocks sur les rotules
[11:19]  * didrocks too tired!
[11:19] <didrocks> Trevinho: I can't find your package
[11:19] <Trevinho> didrocks: sorry, but today all the desktop_pers are off :)
[11:20] <didrocks> no worry, just give me the package name, I'm trying to find your stuff but I think I'm dead cerebrally after too many emails, upload, fixes, writing and sync :p
[11:20] <Trevinho> didrocks: oh, actually I noticed is already https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/eoan/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons
[11:20] <didrocks> Trevinho: ah see :)
[11:20] <Trevinho> so don't need to be bothered, it just went in 2nd page and was too long
[11:20] <Trevinho> to notice there was one :)
[11:20] <didrocks> I guess you can ping on #u-release if you want to have it for the week-end
[11:21] <Trevinho> well, no much rush, unless we can get in into the iso
[11:22] <didrocks> Trevinho: I tried to get some stuff as well that I uploaded this morning, we'll see ;)
[11:22] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah, I noticed xD
[11:22] <didrocks> will be great to have all that ready for the week-end, when I think we'll have more testers
[11:23] <didrocks> I still don't understand why apt-get search desktop | grep shell didn't work to find it back
[11:24] <Trevinho> didrocks: no clue, even searching in the queue work when you search for "desktop-icons" but it does if you search "gnome-shell-extension"
[11:24] <Trevinho> not really a grep apparently
[11:25] <didrocks> weird…
[11:25] <didrocks> ok, I'm not alone at least :)
[11:25] <didrocks> is the conference still on ?
[12:18] <oSoMoN> Wimpress, I'm looking at replicating https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/eoan-stable/revision/1494.1.3/chromium-browser for the MATE desktop, could you point me to how favourites/launchers are created and stored in MATE?
[12:20] <oSoMoN> I also wanna do the same for Plasma, if anyone is familiar with how it's done there I'm interested
[12:53] <oSoMoN> okay, I think I found it for mate-panel, there's a "launcher-location" key for each object under org.mate.panel.object-id-list
[12:54] <oSoMoN> not ideal because that means iterating over all existing objects, but that shouldn't be too hard
[12:54] <oSoMoN> the benefit is minimal though, because the running state of an application is not connected to the launcher button
[13:09] <oSoMoN> Wimpress, does that look sane? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NxS8G32wTk/
[13:14] <popey> I'm gonna do a little 19.10 noodling around live stream in ~15 mins. No requirement to watch. Just thought I'd let you know if you have a second screen to have nonsense playing on <3  https://youtu.be/EAnSDaSiwnw
[13:27] <oSoMoN> a good opportunity to test Picture-in-Picture :)
[13:32] <kenvandine> popey: nobody reads the documentation :)
[13:46] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, a user pointed out that the chromium snap theming bug is fixed with gtk-common-themes from the candidate channel, and I confirmed this finding
[13:46] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, can it be promoted to stable?
[13:46] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: yes!
[13:46] <kenvandine> I just finished testing that ;)
[13:47] <kenvandine> it fixes a few things
[13:47] <oSoMoN> perfect timing!
[13:48] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: promoted
[13:49] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, cheers
[13:50] <oSoMoN> Wimpress, I pushed my changes to the chromium-browser wrapper for MATE: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/eoan-stable/revision/1517
[13:50] <oSoMoN> your feedback welcome
[14:03] <hellsworth> morning everyone
[14:06] <willcooke> morning hellsworth
[14:06] <kenvandine> morning hellsworth
[14:06] <hellsworth> happy friday :)
[14:06] <didrocks> hey hellsworth
[14:20] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[14:23] <hellsworth> good morning all!
[14:39] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[14:39] <hellsworth> hey marcustomlinson
[14:39] <hellsworth> look at this!
[14:39] <hellsworth> https://snapcraft.io/gnome-3-34-1804
[14:39] <hellsworth> :D
[14:39] <marcustomlinson> :)
[15:15] <hellsworth> on my workstation running 19.10, i've noticed that periodically my screen flashes, briefly showing the windows in the background on the same screen and i have this gnome-shell log in syslog:
[15:15] <hellsworth> Oct 11 09:12:06 bmo gnome-shell[2487]: JS ERROR: Exception in callback for signal: trigger: TypeError: this._rippleAnimation is not a function#012_showApplications@/home/heather/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/custom-hot-corners@janrunx.gmail.com/extension.js:243:9#012_runAction@/home/heather/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/custom-hot-corners@janrunx.gmail.com/extension.js:221:13#012_emit@resource:///org/gnome/
[15:15] <hellsworth> gjs/modules/signals.js:135:27#012_trigger@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/layout.js:1382:9#012_onBarrierHit@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/layout.js:1405:13
[15:15] <hellsworth> i can't reproduce it. it just happens periodically.
[15:15] <hellsworth> has anyone else seen similar behavior?
[15:16] <hellsworth> it's weird taht there's a gmail address in that error
[15:23] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: it's common practice to use an email address in your extension UUID
[15:23] <marcustomlinson> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Extensions/UUIDGuidelines
[15:23] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: so that error looks to be coming from the custom-hot-corners extension
[15:29] <hellsworth> ah ok then email address is fine
[15:36] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: disable that extension and see if the problem goes away then I guess
[15:37] <hellsworth> yeah i tried. it's in a funky state now
[15:37] <hellsworth> i guess i'll reboot. it's been a week anyways
[15:37] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: Alt + F2 , type 'r' then Enter
[15:37] <marcustomlinson> to restart the gnome shell
[17:12] <willcooke> night all
[17:27] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone!