[00:02] <leftyfb> austinthetaco: what is your exact issue at this moment?
[00:03] <austinthetaco> i did an update & upgrade, which broke my ability to ssh
[00:03] <leftyfb> austinthetaco: let me rephrase, what is not working?
[00:03] <austinthetaco> i cannot ssh into the server
[00:03] <leftyfb> austinthetaco: you can't ssh to the machine? Can you ping it?
[00:03] <austinthetaco> no
[00:04] <leftyfb> austinthetaco: does it have an ip address?
[00:05] <leftyfb> austinthetaco: ?
[00:06] <austinthetaco> not sure
[00:06] <austinthetaco> yup, but it looks like it changed?
[00:06] <leftyfb> austinthetaco: is this on your home network?
[00:06] <austinthetaco> it is, but i had it setup for a static ip
[00:06] <leftyfb> austinthetaco: ok, it changed, did you try to ssh to the new ip address?
[00:07] <austinthetaco> i'm really confused why the ip address changed, it definitely has a static address
[00:08] <austinthetaco> my hypervisor settings must be busted or something
[00:08] <leftyfb> :/
[00:08] <leftyfb> hypervisor?
[00:08] <austinthetaco> yeah, running the machine on an esxi guest
[00:09] <leftyfb> austinthetaco: this is really critical information that should be provided up front
[00:11] <austinthetaco> i'll retry connecting via ssh once i get done fiddling with some vm settings
[00:11] <austinthetaco> thanks
[01:11] <blue1> Hi there.  I have an odd problem.  Trying to get a wifi dongle to work.  It works fine in xubuntu, but not at all on lubuntu.  What should I check?  I did a modprobe on the lubuntu machine and yes, the ath9k module is there
[01:12] <ponyrider> blue1: rfkill list
[01:13] <sarnold> does it show up in ip link output?
[01:14] <blue1> no, it shows ub in the lsusb though
[01:14] <blue1> sarnold: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0bda:8179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188EUS 802.11n Wireless Network Adapter
[01:15] <blue1> sarnold: it says soft blocked yes, hard blocked yes
[01:15] <ponyrider> rfkill unblock <dev>
[01:15] <ponyrider> rfkill unblock <or even number?>
[01:15] <ponyrider> thats the problem <3
[01:17] <blue1> sarnold: okay that fixed the soft blocked but not the hard blocked
[01:17] <sarnold> blue1: is there a switch on the machine? perhaps a bit of green on it?
[01:19] <ponyrider> blue1: could be blocked in the bios
[01:19] <blue1> ponyrider: there is no way to do any manipulation in the bios.  it just shows up there and that's that.
[01:19] <sarnold> ponyrider: any idea if a fn+f8 key toggles the 'soft' kill or the 'hard' kill?
[01:20] <ponyrider> sarnold: i know nothing of that
[01:20] <blue1> sarnold: no
[01:20] <blue1> sarnold: let me double check
[01:21] <ponyrider> blue1: are you *sure* the bios sint blocking it
[01:22] <ponyrider> blue1: actually sarnold  has a point
[01:22] <blue1> ponyrider: I don't know that -- like I said the only thing there is something that shows the configuation.  no way to manipulate it.  It does have a wifi button but it is orange
[01:23] <ponyrider> blue1: yes what he means is that there might be a function combination which is hardware blocking ur device ( if your on a lappy )
[01:23] <blue1> where can I post a picture?
[01:23] <ponyrider> blue1: is it a laptop?
[01:24] <sarnold> imgur.com is popular
[01:25] <sarnold> try the orange button if you';ve got one ;)
[01:25] <ponyrider> we dont need a picture LOL
[01:27] <blue1> ponyrider: yes hp
[01:27] <blue1> sarnold: I did it won;t toggle on
[01:28] <texla> Ubuntu18.04.3 I have two hard disk a 2.5 msata in my laptop the other a usb enclosure with 2.5 sata..When grub 2.02 boots it show only the distro's in my msata laptop disk..when I boot the serbent usb disk it shows the distro in the laptop disk and also the usb disck..How to i get te usb disk to only show the distro on it
[01:28] <blue1> no
[01:28] <blue1> you don't
[01:30] <blue1> sarnold: this is at least what it is:  https://imgur.com/a/JHU8hpe
[01:46] <DOSfan> brb..
[02:43] <BenMcLean> Hi there folks
[02:43] <BenMcLean> I have a question about the GNOME screen magnifier
[02:43] <Guest_28> Hello how are you?
[02:43] <BenMcLean> I managed to get it to turn on with the gnome tweak tool, and I can zoom in and out with "Windows"+Alt+Plus and minus
[02:44] <BenMcLean> however, the factor it zooms at is 100% which is way, way too much
[02:44] <BenMcLean> how do I reduce that down to 25% or something else more sane?
[02:44] <Guest_28> I'm planing to setup a server that has some hard drives connected to it just to act as an in house file server. Am I better off to use a server version of ubuntu or just desktop? I will be limited to 32-bit as the computer I'm running it on can boot 6-bit software.
[02:44] <BenMcLean> Guest_28: if it's just for you in your house then desktop's fine
[02:45] <Guest_28> BenMcLean thank you mate!
[02:45] <sarnold> Guest_28: does it have enough memory to run a gui in addition to whatever other services you want?
[02:46] <Guest_28> I'm only going to be running webmin and smb. I think so yes as Ive been able to run windows quite well.
[02:47] <sarnold> Guest_28: I think the only other slightly complicating factor is that desktop uses networkmanager by default, which will probably do dhcp by default. if you want a fixed IP address it might be easier to use server, which you can then configure with netplan's config files to have a fixed address (assuming you *also* pick an IP outside your dhcp server's range)
[02:48] <Guest_28> Yeah it has a IP that has been set to its macid on the DHCP service.
[02:48] <sarnold> ah that should also work
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> BenMcLean: you might take a look into dconf-editor perhaps, alot of tweaks around on all gnome
[02:49] <BenMcLean> lotuspsychje: i'm already in that
[02:49] <BenMcLean> There's an option for changing how zoomed in it currently is, but not for changing how much the keyboard shortcut zooms it in or out
[02:50] <lotuspsychje> BenMcLean: ok, no other ideas then, dont use the magnifier much myself
[02:57] <BenMcLean> i started compiz and it messed my desktop up, whats' the keyboard shortcut to get a terminal to kill it with?
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> BenMcLean: compiz on gnome?
[02:59] <BenMcLean> yeah
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> BenMcLean: wich ubuntu release are you on?
[03:02] <BenMcLean> latest
[03:03] <BenMcLean> does no one even use this magnifier? it's awful
[03:05] <Bashing-om> BenMcLean: Try key combo ctl+alt+t .
[03:06] <BenMcLean> i tried that and killing compiz screwed up the display so bad i couldn't even type anymore, ended up hard rebooting.
[03:06] <waydeb> Just starting up the installer and on the last line it says "(initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system" any idea on how to fix it?
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> BenMcLean: compiz is normally a unity thing, can you explain what you did exactly to get compiz onto gnome
[03:07] <BenMcLean> shrug i dunno, typed sudo apt-get install compiz at one point
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> BenMcLean: and when playing with compiz, you need to tweak around with compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:08] <BenMcLean> i'm on gnome, compiz is for unity, so i uninstalled it now
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> BenMcLean: if you want to play compiz, unity style, consider installing unity desktop ontop ubuntu
[03:09] <BenMcLean> apparently this is out of date? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Reviews/gnome-mag
[03:10] <BenMcLean> "just google it" on linux questions tends to yield lots of completely false and misleading information
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> BenMcLean: last edited 2010... yes
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> BenMcLean: we dont advice to just google things here
[03:14] <waydeb> Imma reboot it and see if it wants to work
[03:14] <BenMcLean> can anyone find out where the hell the Super + Alt + + and - keyboard shortcuts are set?
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> BenMcLean: hotkeys in gnome are under systemsettings/devices/keyboard
[03:16] <BenMcLean> OK I found where they are
[03:16] <BenMcLean> but how do I change what those commands mean
[03:17] <waydeb> nope its done the same thing again...
[03:17] <BenMcLean> er, i mean, i found in the GUI where I can change which keys activate the commands
[03:17] <BenMcLean> but where can I find the commands
[03:17] <waydeb> -+3
[03:17] <waydeb> sorry just rested on my keyboard aha
[03:17] <BenMcLean> somewhere, that "Zoom In" has got to be mapped to some command that tells gnome-mag to set zoom factor to itself plus 1
[03:18] <BenMcLean> and I want to change the "plus 1" to "plus 0.25" so we aren't zooming in and out by the ridiculous 100% this magnifier has
[03:20] <waydeb> Am I bet to re-write the flash media?
[03:20] <waydeb> *best
[03:20] <BenMcLean> i found this https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/blob/master/js/ui/magnifier.js#L853-865
[03:24] <BenMcLean> does anyone know where I'd even report issues with the gnome magnifier?
[03:29] <BenMcLean> OK hope I found the right place. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/1778
[03:35] <danes> hello, the solution to this is simple, I think,  but I dont know how to google it. I want to control a peripheral with python. When I run my script as admin it works fine. How can I access the peripheral without needing admin rights? libgpib: ibBoardOpen failed to open device file /dev/gpib0libgpib: Permission denied
[03:37] <gry> what peripheral is it?
[03:38] <danes> gry a usb to gpib adapter
[03:52] <waydeb> Ok nope it didnt help.
[03:53] <Bashing-om> danes: Is there a mount point for the adapter - chown the mounted directory ?
[03:56] <danes> Bashing-om I found the solution. I knew I had to add my user to a group, which I didnt know, but I just found a tutorial that showed me how
[03:57] <Bashing-om> danes: :D
[05:18] <Diagon> Can someone explain the security issues involved with this new error message from apt-get?
[05:18] <Diagon> E: Repository 'https://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org buster InRelease' changed its 'Suite' value from 'testing' to 'stable'
[05:18] <Diagon> N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details.
[05:20] <gry> Diagon: are you using ubuntu or debian?
[05:21] <Diagon> Ubunu
[05:21] <Diagon> 18.04
[05:22] <gry> Diagon: then you do not need to use the debian packages; instead see https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en and select your ubuntu version in the select box
[05:23] <gry> Diagon: this will have 'bionic' instead of 'buster' in the entry
[05:23] <gry> Diagon: I believe you will need to modify your software sources, in the same way as you added this entry
[05:24] <Diagon> Ah, ok.  Let me do that ... back in a min.
[05:26] <Diagon> I see, that tor project web page is not particularly clear.  I took from that my needing to use the debian verison.
[05:27] <gry> yes, i think the select box is well hidden
[05:34] <Diagon> gry - you have any idea what this means?  I changed to bionic and am trying to reinstall tor because I had buster in there.  I get this message: "Reinstallation of tor is not possible, it cannot be downloaded."
[05:34] <gry> remove it first. then try to install
[05:35] <Diagon> Ok.  ... (drop-down? I'm not finding a drop down at that link you sent.)
[05:36] <Diagon> The way I read that page, I needed to find the debian equivalent for ubuntu:
[05:36] <Diagon> sources.list: You'll need to set up our package repository before you can fetch Tor. First, you need to figure out the name of your distribution. A quick command to run is lsb_release -c or cat /etc/debian_version. If in doubt about your Debian version, check the Debian website. For Ubuntu, ask Wikipedia.
[05:40] <gry> Diagon: really? one sec
[05:41] <gry> Diagon: blob:https://imgur.com/683644b4-77fe-4f30-8cae-5bb44bcc32d8
[05:41] <gry> Diagon: https://imgur.com/a/7DXo5ga
[05:46] <Diagon> gry - I've tried 3 browsers, but those links don't show me anything (?)
[05:53] <in_cognito> hey y'all, I'm running Ubuntu19XX as a virtual machine on win10 surface pro 6 and I have all facilities including touch and mic but for some reason I cannot get the video camera to work. Any idea where I can get the drivers
[06:09] <tomreyn> in_cognito: this depends on a couple things: driver support (which is most of a time just a m,atter of works-out-of-the-box or will-not-work-at-all), but less so, and rather whether the virtualization you're using can handle this video stream (possibly with hardware based "3d"/opengl graphics acceleration) and whether the VM is configured to use it (and maybe has extra drivers installed to pass its ourput through a virtual graphics device which
[06:09] <tomreyn> the virtualization provides and can handle well)
[06:49] <amadews> hy, anyone have a lenovo t530 ?its wor
[06:50] <amadews> its ok to put a msata ssd the speed is ok
[06:51] <tomreyn> amadews: hi there. this looks like a ##hardware question to me.
[06:51] <in_cognito> tomreyn thanks man. That kind of suks. you'd think that camera drivers in 19.XX would be generally available. I'm still not sure where I could find the drivers, and if I did, which folder to put them in.
[06:52] <tomreyn> in_cognito: do you do usb passthrough there then? which virtualization is it?
[06:56] <tomreyn> !YY.MM | in_cognito
[06:57] <tomreyn> in_cognito: if it's usb passthrough, "lsusb" should list what was detected
[07:06] <tommy``> guys anyone know why chromium doesn't open the torrents magnet links?
[07:06] <tommy``> i got the pop up window with xdg-open message but nothing happens
[07:17] <thisguylost> hi all-curiousity has got the best of me on Ubuntu i use a vpn service i have found two ways to setup a connection one is from the terminal the other is using GUI (settings>network>vpn>"+"---I was wondering are the gui and the terminal carrying out the same commands essentially and are both using openvpn (my vpn is a paid service i have a username and password that i enter)
[07:19] <thisguylost> https://imgur.com/a/2bH8mT0
[07:19] <thisguylost> here is an image of what i do to connect
[07:20] <thisguylost> eg GUI and sudo openvpn--config *****.ovpn
[07:22] <akemhp> You can use OpenVPN with GUI. And if you do then it's just the same as in console mode.
[07:23] <tomreyn> tommy``: works on my 18.04 system, tested with https://jsfiddle.net/Ldry4kgb/ - what are you running?
[07:23] <tommy``> tomreyn: 18.04.03 LTS
[07:24] <thisguylost> what commands are going on beneath the surface when you use the GUI to import a config file to make a vpn connection
[07:24] <tommy``> tomreyn: if i click on the Download text the pop up windows appears but the .torrent doesn't start on transmission
[07:28] <akemhp> thisguylost, If you wanna know in detail you gotta check the source code...most likely the file is copied in some place then it probably just run openvpn like you do in console, you can check the process for that.
[07:28] <thisguylost> appreciate your answer champ thank you =)
[07:30] <tomreyn> tommy``: hmm, you'd need to fiddle with xdg-mime then, i think
[07:31] <tommy``> tomreyn: you mean configure ?
[07:31] <tomreyn> query, install, set default, something along these lines. i've not done it myself, and am not even sure what the corresponding mime type is
[07:33] <tommy``> tomreyn: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/75614/set-transmission-as-default-program-when-opening-magnet-links
[07:35] <tomreyn> tommy``: might work, though when i run "xdg-mime query x-scheme-handler/magnet" here on my 18.04.3 it tells me "xdg-mime: unknown query type 'x-scheme-handler/magnet'" and chrom ium is still able to handle those magnet: URIs
[07:37] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/122930/how-can-i-make-firefox-open-magnet-links-in-transmission is very similar
[07:37] <tommy``> i got this too xdg-mime: unknown query type 'x-scheme-handler/magnet'
[07:42] <tommy``> tomreyn: according your link i'm stuck to this step: The last command (grep) should return "application/x-bittorrent=deluge.desktop" and the other mime type for magnet. Otherwise, something went wrong (maybe the desktop file didn't exist?).
[07:43] <tomreyn> tommy``: i think you'd point this to the most likely existing .desktop file for transmission in your case
[07:44] <tommy``> where i can find that .desktop?
[07:45] <tomreyn> dpkg -L transmission-gtk | grep -i desktop
[07:45] <tommy``> ok i have /usr/share/applications/transmission-gtk.desktop
[07:46] <tommy``> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fTbjcWm8x3/
[07:46] <tomreyn> yes, that's the .desktop file for transmission which comes with the package, and is what makes transmission available in your gnome-shell menu
[07:47] <tomreyn> see line 76
[07:47] <tommy``> StartupNotify=true
[07:48] <tommy``> line 77 MimeType=application/x-bittorrent;x-scheme-handler/magnet;
[07:48] <tomreyn> interesting , we have different line numbers, but yes, i meant the mimetype declaration
[07:49] <tommy``> that line seems good, nothing strange
[07:51] <tomreyn> right, and once this software is installed and xdg-desktop -menu is aware of it (which the installation scripts should automate) then xdg-open should already know how to open this url handler
[07:51] <tomreyn> so i'm still unsure why it doesn't work for you. but also not really able to help more.
[07:53] <tommy``> mmmmh
[07:53] <tommy``> could be some settings on my local bash?
[07:54] <tommy``> i have /.local/share/applications/mimeapp.list
[07:54] <tommy``> this file is empty
[07:54] <padlefot> Hello friends, I am seeing 500 errors when updating my repos. Just wanted to check if I am alone in thos (?)
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> padlefot: can you pastebin the whole apt output for us please?
[07:55] <padlefot> Surley
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> padlefot: do you have a direct connection or firewalled/router?
[07:56] <padlefot> its behind NAT
[07:56] <padlefot> but strangely, some repos works
[07:56] <padlefot> and I have never had this issue before
[07:56] <padlefot> padlefot@skyy:~$ sudo apt updateErr:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net/certbot/certbot/ubuntu bionic InRelease  500  Internal Server Error [IP: 91.189.95.83 80]Err:2 http://ppa.launchpad.net/nextcloud-devs/client/ubuntu bionic InRelease                                                                        500  Internal Server Error [IP: 91.189.95.83
[07:56] <padlefot> 80]Err:3 http://ppa.launchpad.net/snwh/pulp/ubuntu bionic InRelease                                                                                    500  Internal Server Error [IP: 91.189.95.83 80]Err:4 http://download.webmin.com/download/repository sarge InRelease                                                                                500
[07:56] <padlefot> Internal Server Error [IP: 108.60.199.109 80]Get:5 https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu bionic InRelease [64.4 kB]                                                                         Err:6 http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease                                                                           500  Internal Server Error
[07:56] <padlefot> [IP: 193.35.52.51 80]Err:7 http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security InRelease                                                           500  Internal Server Error [IP: 193.35.52.51 80]Err:8 http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates InRelease                500  Internal Server Error [IP: 193.35.52.51 80]Err:9
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> !paste | padlefot
[07:56] <konrados> Hello! haha, my chance -  I don't get the relation between cron and anacron. In /etc/crontab there is e.g. : 25 6	* * *	root	test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) - which means that if there is anacron installed, then nothing happens here, right? If so, then *what* starts anacron and makes it to read and execute the /etc/anacrontab?
[07:58] <tommy``> what's that? !?
[07:58] <padlefot> really sorry guys
[07:58] <padlefot> I found out what it was
[07:59] <padlefot> I had disabled squid and clam services in my router/fw - this apparently borked things up
[07:59] <Bashing-om> konrados: see ' cat /etc/crontab  ' anacron is activated there.
[08:01] <konrados> Bashing-om, but... where, here is my whole /etc/crontab : https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/085f049203324c56977b16713100b04b
[08:01] <konrados> wait... what does `test -x do` I thought it tests file is executable? No?
[08:01] <konrados> sec...
[08:02] <konrados> it only tests, it doesn't start it.
[08:03] <konrados> So how does that work?
[08:05] <Bashing-om> konrados: Test if exist and (||) then "run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily".
[08:07] <konrados> Bashing-om, my bash is pretty bad but - doesn't that mean the opposite? I tried that in terminal: `test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || echo 'e'` and since the amacron does exist, result is ok (0) the 'echo' was not executed....
[08:07] <konrados> What am I misunderstanding?
[08:07] <jink> || is or && is and.
[08:08] <jink> And it short-circuits, so   false && (never executed)  returns false  and true || (never executed)  returns true.
[08:08] <tommy``> tomreyn: i made some test, i launched from terminal the command xdg-open <magnet url> and transmission opened and get the torrent
[08:08] <tommy``> that is very strange
[08:09] <konrados> yes, jink I know, and it is the `true || (never executed) ` because i *do* have anacron, the first condition is TRUE.
[08:11] <tommy``> negative, the torrent is not added correctly on transmission
[08:11] <konrados> pleeease, what am I missing.... :(
[08:19] <tomreyn> konrados: you're just looking at the wrong file. /etc/cron.d/anacron is what starts anacron
[08:20] <konrados> tomreyn, thanks, but what starts '/etc/cron.d/anacron'? I tried to find info about it, but.. I only found that... it "works" -  here : https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/458713/how-are-files-under-etc-cron-d-used
[08:20] <konrados> tomreyn,  I meant - what starts /etc/cron.d
[08:20] <tomreyn> the cron daemon
[08:21] <konrados> yes, but where is this defined?
[08:21] <tomreyn> in the source code of the cron daemon
[08:21] <konrados> It should be defined somewhere, in some file, right?
[08:21] <konrados> ahhhhh
[08:22] <konrados> haha, I would never think about that... geeee I thought all of this needs to be defined in some config files :)
[08:22] <konrados> tomreyn, - thank you!
[08:22] <tomreyn> glad i could help ;)
[08:22] <konrados> :)
[08:23] <konrados> I spent 2h on this o.O Time for a coffee:)
[08:25] <tommy``> tomreyn: is possible to log what happens between chromium and transmission?
[08:25] <tommy``> so i could find the solution
[08:26] <tomreyn> tommy``: i told you all i know about this.
[08:27] <tommy``> no i mean in general, on ubuntu, how can i see the live logs ?
[08:27] <tomreyn> journalctl -f
[08:29] <tommy``> good: hromium_chromium.desktop[10042]: user-open error: Supplied URL scheme "magnet" is not allowed
[08:29] <tommy``> new infos
[08:42] <tarzeau> did others have also outages with dhcp (systemd-networkd) and 18.04 LTS?
[08:42] <tarzeau> (i've had like 15 machines of 200, be offline)
[08:44] <konrados> wow, I've just found 0anacron in all those cron.daily etc... dir... and read why it is there, does it really have to be so... tricky? It's so weird o.O
[08:59] <tommy``> tomreyn: problem fixed! i uninstalled the version taken from ubuntu store and installed the one from apt install
[09:00] <Kottizen> Hi! Is it possible to have the lock screen display when the screen was locked, or, for long time it has been locked?
[09:13] <xiaoji> does anyone know How to statistics the number of software in gnome-software？
[09:41] <funyun> hi. my server shuts down after it downloads files. it never shuts down while they're downloading. only about 3 minutes after they finish. downloading at 1Gbit speed. anyone know what's happening or how to fix this?
[09:42] <funyun> only happens when i'm downloading 50gb or more
[09:47] <legreffier> funyun: full disk ?
[09:47] <funyun> legreffier: nope
[10:00] <tommy``> https://streamable.com/6r1x6 <--- i have  flickering problem on the grey, is something related video drivers?
[10:27] <tomreyn> funyun: check logs, use ssh or netconsole and reproduce the issue, monitor temperatures, run a memory test, see whether firmware updates for mainboard, NIC etc. are available.
[11:48] <uebera||> Hi. On Ubuntu 16.04.6 with update-motd 3.6-0ubuntu1 installed and /etc/default/motd-news containing "ENABLED=0" to disable dynamic content, why would I still see "New release '18.04.2 LTS' available." after a reboot/relogin? OTOH, what exactly is "dynamic content"?
[11:52] <uebera||> I see, the message above stems from /etc/update-motd.d/91-release-upgrade, not from .../50-motd-news
[11:53] <ioria> try to remove the executable bit (of 91-release-upgrade, i mean)
[11:53] <donofrio> what is the text install package (ubiquity-installer?)  gui installer locking up my session or at least it seems to be.....
[11:56] <uebera||> ioria: Will try that, thanks.
[11:57] <ioria> uebera||, ok
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:04] <tommy``> it seems i've fixed my nvidia issue with apt-get purge nvidia-*
[14:04] <tommy``> now i'm with x-org nouveau driver and i dont' see any flickering
[14:28] <nekowaiidesu> Is there any feature list for ubuntu 20.04? I only see user suggestions from a reddit. nothing official?
[14:32] <makr8100> I'd imagine it's too early to dream that far ahead...  we don't even have 19.10 yet so...
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> !bugs | nekowaiidesu: Feature requests and bugs reported to the same place
[14:37] <nekowaiidesu> thanks pragmaticenigma. I was more wondering if canonical have confirmed anything yet about features. I just heard that 20.04 will maintain some 32bit support for the sake of Steam Proton and WINE. Hoped there was more info. Guess im getting excited way too soon though lol.
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> nekowaiidesu: You could try #ubuntu+1 where discussions about upcoming release versions are handled.
[14:40] <pragmaticenigma> but 20.04 is a ways off yet, they're in the process of getting 19.10 released right now
[14:40] <nekowaiidesu> It's okay thanks. I'll just be patient lol :))
[14:46] <ioria> nekowaiidesu, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/09/ubuntu-32-bit-support-process-outlined
[14:52] <skilla> Alright. Sup party people. Im having an error with Ubuntu, specifically with the program Pinta
[14:52] <skilla> I'm a bit new to ubuntu, and I dont understand the error log that I'm getting or how to begin to "troubleshoot" the issie
[14:52] <skilla> issue
[15:08] <ioria> skilla, what error ?
[15:08] <skilla> I'm not sure what you mean by "what error"
[15:08] <skilla> When i run pinto through the CMD
[15:08] <skilla> pinta
[15:08] <skilla> it crashe swand outputs a big log
[15:08] <skilla> it doesnt have a specific "error name" i suppose
[15:09] <ioria> skilla, 'Im having an error with Ubuntu, specifically w ...'
[15:09] <skilla> yeah
[15:09] <skilla> it crashes
[15:09] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/pinta/+bug/1786822
[15:09] <skilla> I can recreate the errors with ease
[15:09] <ioria> skilla,  check #4
[15:09] <skilla> what a pro
[15:10] <skilla> You know, I read about launchpad too and thought. Nah it wont have my issue
[15:17] <mixfix41> yo you guys playing albion
[16:35] <MapMan> Hi! I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 and am trying to set up dynamic wallpaper (akin to mac os mojave). There's a gist for it: https://gist.github.com/thelcrysis/7c3563352de9b3467015fb0b3ceb184d
[16:35] <MapMan> I've set up the paths correctly and yet, all I get is a blue background
[16:35] <MapMan> any ideas what's wrong or how to debug this?
[16:41] <MapMan> nvm, reboot fixed it
[16:54] <ryuo> MapMan: some changes will only become apparent when the relevant processes have been restarted. a full reboot may not be necessary.
[16:59] <ofir> Hi, any idea how to find the exact version of libstdc++6-dbg for apt-get?
[16:59] <lordcirth> ofir, you mean the exact version that would be installed?
[17:00] <ofir> I mean the one that matches the currently installed libstd++-6 on my Ubuntu
[17:00] <ofir> there are multiple minor version candidates, but I'm not sure which one I have installed.
[17:01] <lordcirth> dpkg -l <pkgname>
[17:02] <lordcirth> If the package is virtual, you'll need to get the name of the real package it refers to
[17:02] <ofir> 8.3.0-6ubuntu1~
[17:02] <ofir> (the Ubuntu 18.04 is a Docker installation BTW if that is relevant)
[17:04] <tomreyn> apt list --installed libstdc++6; apt search 'libstdc++.*-dbg$'
[17:05] <ofir> libstdc++6/bionic-updates,bionic-security,now 8.3.0-6ubuntu1~18.04.1 amd64 [installed]
[17:05] <ofir> so probably this one? libstdc++6-8-dbg/bionic-updates
[17:06] <tomreyn> probably :)
[17:07] <ofir> 10x, I still get corrupted stack trace in gdb :|
[17:07] <ofir> #0  0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
[17:07] <ofir>  followed by: #1  0x00007ffff78fe925 in __gthread_create (__args=<optimized out>,
[17:07] <ofir> damn
[17:08] <tomreyn> and you're doing what exactly?
[17:08] <jerichowasahoax> I'm pressing Ctrl Alt F1 on Eoan but it won't switch off the X11 display manager. Did something change?
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> !tty | jerichowasahoax
[17:09] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | jerichowasahoax
[17:09] <jerichowasahoax> oh, F1 is the display session, I wanted F2
[17:10] <jerichowasahoax> lotuspsychje, tomreyn: thank you
[17:10] <ofir> tomreyn: I have a crash when starting a C++ std::thread, it happens only on my Docker, never on my dev machine
[17:10] <ofir> it's a very trivial void function but unfortunately it never reproduces on a standalone reproducer (main.cpp with std::thread(foo))
[17:11] <ofir> I have lots of shared libraries loaded and at some point in time when a thread is spawned, it stops working
[17:13] <tomreyn> ofir: hmm if it doesn't happen on a standard ubuntu installation then i'd blame your docker images
[17:13] <ofir> question is where do you even start..
[17:13] <tomreyn> https://hub.docker.com/r/amd64/ubuntu/ are probably the most 'official' ones
[17:14] <ofir> I have the Dockerfile and everything but I'm not sure what I should be looking for
[17:14] <tomreyn> i'm not enough into docker to tell
[17:16] <tomreyn> see "Where to get help" on the page i linked
[17:16] <coz_> docker pull nginx   to pull images from NGINX   If I understand docker which I dont use
[17:18] <coz_> or   docker search nginx
[17:19] <coz_> ofir,    https://www.linux.com/tutorials/how-install-and-use-docker-linux/
[17:19] <ofir> thanks man, I know how to use Docker I'm just not sure where the shared libraries incompatiblity comes from
[17:20] <coz_> ofir, ok then sorry, I must have come in late to the conversation
[17:20] <doug16k> ofir, you compile it with -pthread right?
[17:20] <ofir> doug16k: yeap
[17:21] <ofir> it could be that some shared libs are linked with static glibc/libstdc++ whereas others use a dynamic version
[17:21] <doug16k> ok, I've seen toolchains which just screw up at runtime if you omit that, instead of refusing to link
[17:21] <ofir> that'd be my only guess
[17:21] <ofir> mine wouldn't let me build it if I don't pass the -pthread
[17:24] <doug16k> ofir, what do you mean exactly by "it stops working"
[17:24] <linuxusr> How can I make the kernel unmount a mount when there is a permissions error ? I have a CIFS mount which when the user changes the password on the Active Directory, instead of unmounting, the cifs drivers keeps trying to login with the old password (even if the user it not currently on the computer) , and locking the user from the Active Directory,
[17:24] <linuxusr> ideas ?
[17:25] <doug16k> starting to think it is simply multithreaded code bugs, and you only see the bug on vm because timing is drastically changed
[17:25] <ofir> doug16k: I mean the call to __gthread_create() crashes the process (SIGSEGV)
[17:26] <doug16k> I'd see what valgrind says
[17:27] <theos> hi
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> welcome theos
[17:28] <theos> i get "segmentation fault(core dumped)" when i issue the apt command
[17:28] <ikanobori> Did you look at the core? :)
[17:28] <theos> how do i look at the core? :)
[17:29] <ikanobori> Can you repeatedly make apt segfault?
[17:29] <theos> yes
[17:29] <ikanobori> Do you have gdb on your system?
[17:29] <doug16k> ofir, also try building with -fsanitize=thread
[17:29] <linuxusr> run strace -ff and look what happens before it
[17:29] <linuxusr> strace -ff apt...
[17:29] <theos> no gdb
[17:30] <linuxusr> theos: install strace
[17:30] <doug16k> ofir, also, try -fsanitize=address
[17:30] <linuxusr> ohh, if you can't d/l the .deb and install it manually maybe :/
[17:30] <ikanobori> theos: Could you install that?
[17:30] <theos> --- SIGSEGV {si_signo=SIGSEGV, si_code=SEGV_MAPERR, si_addr=0x2912d248} ---
[17:30] <theos> --- SIGSEGV {si_signo=SIGSEGV, si_code=SEGV_MAPERR, si_addr=0x2912d248} ---
[17:30] <theos> --- SIGSEGV {si_signo=SIGSEGV, si_code=SEGV_MAPERR, si_addr=0x2912d248} ---
[17:30] <theos> --- SIGSEGV {si_signo=SIGSEGV, si_code=SEGV_MAPERR, si_addr=0x2912d248} ---
[17:30] <theos> +++ killed by SIGSEGV (core dumped) +++
[17:30] <theos> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[17:31] <tomreyn> and, as the /topic states, use a pastebin
[17:32] <theos> sorry. i didnt see anything pasted in the xchat window
[17:32] <ofir> @doug16k: I will try it thanks, valgrind says PC jumped to 0x0
[17:32] <doug16k> ofir, and -fsanitize=undefined :D
[17:32] <ofir> which is as useful as gdb
[17:32] <ofir> unless I start debugging the assembly of libstdc++ I wouldn't be able to find out what happened
[17:32] <ikanobori> ofir: I mean if that's what the program is doing, that's what it's doing.
[17:32] <theos> ikanobori i have strace installed thankfully
[17:33] <ofir> ikanobori: but that's not what I did :)
[17:33] <doug16k> I highly recommend all the sanitizers
[17:33] <doug16k> it is almost certainly that program's fault
[17:33] <doug16k> accept that and you will have a good chance of actually finding the problem
[17:33] <ofir> I just started an innocent std::thread, it's the inner implementation that failed somewhere
[17:33] <ikanobori> theos: I don't specifically know how strace will help debugging a segfault :)
[17:33] <tomreyn> theos: which ubuntu version is this? does apt-get also segfault?
[17:33] <linuxusr> ofir: what is the issue ?
[17:33] <ofir> I'm willing to accept anything
[17:34] <ofir> linuxusr: on my Ubuntu 18.04 dev x86-64 machine I can spawn an std::thread, and on my Docker I get a segfault
[17:34] <theos> tomreyn lubuntu 18.04. yes. apt-get also segfaults. aptitude is not installed.
[17:34] <ikanobori> segv means that the program tried to touch memory it's not allowed to, strace will show you which syscalls were calld which is likely not hte issue.
[17:34] <theos> just running apt/apt-get without any arguments gives a segfault
[17:34] <tomreyn> theos: what were you doing before apt / apt-get started to segfault?
[17:34] <ikanobori> hence i tried to get you to install gdb and look at the corefile or run apt through it so we can see a bit more :)
[17:34] <linuxusr> ofir: do you load dynamic libraries in your code ?
[17:34] <ofir> I do
[17:35] <linuxusr> they might be loading their own instance of libstdc++ which might cause tons of issues
[17:35] <linuxusr> does any of your code or libs use static linking ?
[17:36] <ofir> it's a good question, that's gonna be my next step
[17:36] <linuxusr> you can check with 'ldd' on your binaries / .sos
[17:36] <ofir> I have 25 shared libs loaded
[17:36] <theos> tomreyn i tried remembering but i have been setting up the new install for a day or two and cant remember much. i am disabling services to save ram. but i think it started before that. palemon also gave a segfault some hours ago. all i can remember is that i uninstalled pulseaudio
[17:36] <linuxusr> to see if anything is staticly linked
[17:36] <ofir> will need to repeat it for every SO
[17:37] <theos> ikanobori i would install gdb if apt worked.
[17:37] <linuxusr> you can manualyl d/l it's .deb + dependcneines and installing usign dpkg
[17:38] <ikanobori> Hah, right!
[17:38] <linuxusr> you can apt download on another comp the depednencines, and use that
[17:38] <tomreyn> theos: "history" lists the commands you have run, should  enable you to prevent breaking what you appear to have broken there next time.
[17:40] <theos> tomreyn thanks.   128  apt-get install acct. looks like that was the last package that installed. after that it didnt work.
[17:40] <ioria> theos, can you check if you have sata  I/O errors in dmesg or in /var/log/syslog  ?
[17:41] <theos> ioria i have ata(pre sata) hdd. will it still work?
[17:41] <tomreyn> theos: maybe some warning or error was logged in /var/log/apt/term.log when you installed it.
[17:41] <ioria> theos, sure
[17:41] <tomreyn> ide hdd? wow
[17:42] <theos> apt-get[8375]: segfault at 29089248 ip b7dabfa6 sp bf99acc0 error 4 in libapt-pkg.so.5.0.2[b7c8f000+1d5000]
[17:42] <ioria> theos, we know that
[17:45] <johnjbogle> hello
[17:45] <theos> hmm, i installed bootchart before acct. can that mess up apt?
[17:46] <ofir> Can I apt-get the sources of libstdc++?
[17:46] <linuxusr> why not
[17:47] <ofir> couldn't find the name of the package containing the sources
[17:47] <linuxusr> huh ? it's the same name ?
[17:47] <doug16k> ofir, apt source package-name-here
[17:47] <linuxusr> apt-get source <package name>
[17:47] <johnjbogle> moderate novice here with some debilitating Network and DE issues. Need expert help please. TIA:)
[17:47] <doug16k> be in the directory where you want the source placed
[17:48] <linuxusr> ofir: if you want gdb debug symbols just apt install <pckagename>-dbh
[17:48] <linuxusr> ofir: if you want gdb debug symbols just apt install <pckagename>-dbg
[17:48] <tomreyn> !ask | johnjbogle
[17:48] <tomreyn> also hi johnjbogle ;)
[17:48] <elias_a> welcome, johnjbogle :)
[17:49] <ofir> I already have the debug symbols thanks
[17:49] <ofir> it's not enough
[17:49] <ofir> apt source libstdc++-6-8 says
[17:49] <ofir> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[17:49] <doug16k> ofir, at the jump to PC 0 you can look at x /1gx $rsp and see the return address. `bt` might work as well
[17:49] <linuxusr> so google how to do it ? or edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment all the sources uris ?
[17:50] <OerHeks> just enable souces in your update manager
[17:50] <linuxusr> anyhow, if it's stastic + dynamic linking issues, gdb won't help you much, nor the sources
[17:51] <ofir> linuxusr: I did thanks but now it says: E: Unable to find a source package for libstdc++-6
[17:51] <doug16k> ofir, you need to `apt update` after changing the sources
[17:52] <ofir> I did
[17:52] <ofir> could it be that there is no source package for it?
[17:52] <linuxusr> it's a meta package maybe\
[17:52] <linuxusr> dpkg -l | grep libstdc++
[17:52] <ofir> ah man I had a typo, it's libstdc++6 without the dash
[17:52] <linuxusr> look for the real package
[17:53] <OerHeks> or just add -dev to the package..
[17:53] <OerHeks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libstdc++-6-dev
[17:55] <linuxusr> dev != source
[17:56] <ofir> unfortunately it didn't retrieve: gthr-default.h
[17:56] <ofir> which is at: x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++-v3/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/bits/gthr-default.h
[17:57] <ofir> it fetched the gcc 8.3.0 sources, which is interesting as my platform's default is gcc 7.4.0
[17:58] <linuxusr> you can specifiy which version you want to get
[17:58] <linuxusr> packagename=version
[17:59] <johnjbogle> tomreyn ubottu elias_a =ok noted thanks!! Mr tomreyn, hello again, you were most and so very helpful last time ty :)  I'll ask away now...
[18:00] <javashin> hello
[18:00] <javashin> has been fixed chromium with vaapi ?
[18:00] <theos> aha! apt is working again.
[18:00] <javashin> from snaps
[18:01] <theos> thanks everyone for the help
[18:02] <tomreyn> javashin: you'd need to find out how to report a bug about this snap (if that's possible), then do so (unless you can tell soemone else already did).
[18:02] <javashin> so no one uses chromium with vaapi here ?
[18:03] <tomreyn> theos: note that ide hdds have not been sold for the past 5 years. you may need to replace this system sooner or later.
[18:04] <theos> tomreyn this is a fallback system. my newer system died recently and it will take time and money to get it repaired. i am also looking for cheaper, low resource systems/software. trying to get lubuntu loaded in under 100MB ram at startup. it used to take 180MB by default. now its around 106MB
[18:05] <OerHeks> javashin, are you trying chromium beta from ppa:saiarcot895/chromium-beta???
[18:05] <ioria> ah
[18:05] <javashin> no
[18:05] <tomreyn> theos: adding more ram is probably the better approach there, if possible.
[18:05] <javashin> does that works with vaapi ?
[18:05]  * theos is on a 512MB ram
[18:05] <compdoc> yikes
[18:06] <javashin> im talking about snaps
[18:06] <OerHeks> javashin, oh i was reading, https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/08/how-to-enable-hardware-accelerated.html  but snap is also available https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/01/ubuntu-testing-chromium-snap-with-vaapi.html
[18:06] <OerHeks> not sure what to do to make the snap work..
[18:06] <theos> tomreyn well DDR is costly and no warranty. i got some DDR3 modules but they wont fit in this system :D plus the system can die anytime.
[18:07] <javashin> i tried that one and dont work
[18:07] <theos> i have slitaz on another partition and it takes under 50MB ram at startup/login. maybe i can make this also take less ram?
[18:08] <tomreyn> theos: i bet you can find some in the scrap for free.
[18:08] <ioria> theos, try to start firefox :þ
[18:09] <theos> ioria i did. it works for 10 mins :P swap is a wonderful thing. palemoon works very well for a few hours though.
[18:09] <johnjbogle> I'm having some issue connecting to my local wifi. My machine isn't typically recognizing/detecting any wifi connections even though my apartment building has about 10-20 detectable wifi signals around me, and my wife's dell/ubuntu machine does. Already tried several terminal commands from the advice of a couple different seasoned linux friends, and I discovered that the commands would be reset/nullified if/when I restart/reboot, but if I put it
[18:09] <johnjbogle> into sleep then wake it up not long after, then that seems to enable the new commands, thus allowing the wifi connections to be detected....until the next time I restart/reboot. I'm really not sure how this started. How can I fix my Network problem of not working properly? thx!
[18:10] <ioria> theos, yes swap is a good thing (and destroys the disk)
[18:10] <theos> tomreyn i live in asia and they dont giveaway anything for free here. plus, i am trying to move to low resource consuming systems.
[18:12] <theos> do they still make PAE kernels? they used to utilize full ram i think.
[18:13] <sarnold> I *think* our 32 bit x86 kernels *require* PAE support these days
[18:13] <ioria> theos, nope; but without the gui, you can still use it very well (i use 16.04 on 256mb)
[18:13] <tomreyn> theos: hmm okay sorry to hear this, maybe there's an exchange market or something similar. but i guess you'll have considered this already. maybe something like tinycore linux would be for you. i think 512 MB is not enough for any ubuntu flavour (but have not fact checked the requirements)
[18:14] <theos> ioria my kid watch videos on youtube so i need gui
[18:15] <theos> tomreyn slitaz works flawlessly. i just wanted to try if i could make my old friend ubuntu work on this too. its working fine as long as i dont start the web browser :D
[18:16] <OerHeks> youtube and 32 bit ubuntu?
[18:16] <theos> yes. lubuntu bionic
[18:18] <theos> the kernel also takes around 9sec to start. probably loads a lot of modules. but boot time is not a priority.
[18:19] <ioria> theos, it will crash (like apt before) i have to suggest you another slim os
[18:20] <theos> i think apt needs udisks2 service to be enabled? or maybe it was the `apt clean` that fixed apt.
[18:20] <ioria> i don't think so
[18:20] <theos> ioria please suggest
[18:21] <ioria> theos, for the apt issue or for the os ?
[18:21] <theos> slim OS
[18:21] <ioria> theos, https://kolibrios.org/en/
[18:22] <sarnold> theos: I hear good things about https://www.adelielinux.org/about.html
[18:23] <theos> hah! palemoon just segfaulted. i think it could be the low ram. i will open the links in dillo
[18:26] <theos> please suggest a lower ram consuming alternative to palemoon. it should open js websites(amazon, youtube etc) too :)
[18:27] <OerHeks> did you actually watched youtube on palemoon 32 bit?
[18:27] <ioria> theos,  there was midori but gone from the repos (now a snap) and i don't think you can install it on 32bit
[18:28] <theos> OerHeks not on lubuntu. on slitaz, palemoon works very well.
[18:28] <sarnold> theos: you can play youtube videos with mpv or youtube-dl or similar. no browser needed. I think people put together some browserless methods for using youtube, look around a bit, you might find something that works for you
[18:29] <ioria> theos,  can you paste    cat /proc/cpuinfo   ?
[18:29] <tomreyn> shall we move the non ubuntu part of this to ##linux then
[18:30] <tomreyn> johnjbogle: does this computer have internet access by other means?
[18:32] <tomreyn> johnjbogle: it will probably help to at least temporarily attach wired ethernet or a usb wireless dingle or an android phone via usb wire for tethering the wireless through it.
[18:34] <johnjbogle> Im currently using wife's pc, but problem pc has no other internet right now. When I plug it in directly it doesn't work either.
[18:39] <IsntFunny> Hey there. Booting up my Ubuntu gets stuck at "reached target cloud-init target", any ideas?
[18:39] <IsntFunny> Ubuntu 19.04 server
[18:39] <forgotten> is there anyway to scale displays independently ?
[18:41] <tomreyn> johnjbogle: do you know the wireless chipset?
[18:42] <lordcirth> IsntFunny, does it boot if you choose recovery mode?
[18:42] <tomreyn> johnjbogle: this should tell:  lspci -knnv | grep -A10 Wireless
[18:43] <IsntFunny> lordcirth: I don't have a selection for recovery. How can I get there? (No grub screen before boot)
[18:43] <lordcirth> IsntFunny, holding Shift during boot should get you a grub menu.
[18:43] <IsntFunny> Nice, I'll try
[18:43] <lordcirth> Though I think some EFI versions need a different key? Not sure
[18:44] <tomreyn> johnjbogle: for the first line of output, and any line following a line with just two dashes, tell us what it says in square brackets to the end of the line
[18:44] <IsntFunny> I saw grub loading for a tiny second but it skipped into system again
[18:44] <tomreyn> johnjbogle: example: [8086:24fb]
[18:46] <johnjbogle> Intel 7260 [8086:08b1]
[18:46] <IsntFunny> Okay I got into recovery
[18:48] <tomreyn> johnjbogle: which ubuntu version is the problem system running?
[18:49] <tomreyn> johnjbogle: this will tell:   lsb_release -ds
[18:50] <johnjbogle> "Ubuntu Eoan Ermine (development branch)"
[18:51] <tomreyn> johnjbogle: oh that's a pre-release version, you'd need to hop over to #ubuntu+1 for now.
[18:52] <johnjbogle> ok..how so?
[18:53] <OerHeks> 19.10 release in one week, until then, support in #ubuntu+1 .. i would go for stable 18.04 LTS
[18:53] <tomreyn> johnjbogle: you can just type this here to join the other channel:  /join #ubuntu+1
[18:56] <johnjbogle> awesome thx so much. cheers
[19:30] <aqualia> Hello?
[19:30] <aqualia> Im looking for help with something
[19:30] <aqualia> Is anyone in the chat?
[19:31] <ioria> !ask | aqualia
[19:31] <aqualia> Thank You
[19:31] <aqualia> My issue is that i am at a starbucks and i cannot connect to the wifi
[19:32] <aqualia> It says connection cannot be activated or something along those lines
[19:33] <aqualia> I am using my phones mobile hotspot but i would like to resolve this issue
[19:35] <ioria> aqualia, https://medium.com/@jeannicolasboulay/get-ubuntu-to-connect-to-starbucks-wifi-captive-portal-2351dc54cc37
[19:35] <sarnold> aqualia: the usual issue is you've got to start a web browser and then do something with it that lets your DNS be intercepted or your connection be intercepted or whatever
[19:35] <aqualia> I tried to connect to wifi and it says activation of connection failedd
[19:36] <sarnold> jeeze that guide is terrible, it's got /sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart in it
[19:36] <aqualia> sarnoid: i tried that and even looked up the url for the login for starbucks but the activation of the network popup always shows
[19:36] <piranah> ewe public wifi
[19:37] <aqualia> I should mention that i have Ubuntu 19.04 and my laptop is a lenovo Yoga 730
[19:38] <sarnold> aqualia: try loading http://neverssl.com/
[19:39] <aqualia> i did and the browser showed that there was no connection to being with and i tried refreshing it multiple times and it wouldn't show
[19:39] <aqualia> Then the activation of network failed popped up
[19:39] <aqualia> It disconnects me from the wifi everytime that happens
[19:42] <doug16k> there is a remote possibility that someone in the shop is ARP poisoning and conducting man in the middle attacks
[19:44] <aqualia> Im new to computers so i dont know much but man in the middle attacks?
[19:44] <aqualia> How would that interfere with me connecting to the wifi?
[19:44] <doug16k> a way of intercepting everybody's internet traffic to steal information
[19:44] <doug16k> fools everyone's machine into believing his MAC address is the router
[19:45] <doug16k> *remote* possibility
[19:45] <aqualia> That is good to know but why would ubuntu fail to activate connection?
[19:45] <doug16k> maybe, maybe not
[19:47] <doug16k> most likely there would be client isolation enabled on their router, but you never know how clueless their computer guy might be. oh they left
[19:50] <IsntFunny> Hey there, I am trying to make my ethernet connect automatically on boot but somehow it's never retrieving an IP... WiFi is connecting automatically. I am using Ubuntu server 19.04 and nmcli
[20:15] <texla> My laptop is set with two harddrives the first msata 2.5 using grub 2.02 when I boot it shows only the partitions>the second drive is a usb enclosure serbent with a  2.5 sata when i boot that unit i get the partitions from both drives>is there any way I can eliminate the laptop harddrive from showing on grub on the usb enclosure
[20:20] <OerHeks> texla, Disable the internal hard drive, maybe it can be done by disabling Sata interface, else i have no clue
[20:25] <texla> OerHeks, Is this a grub problem or a harddrive problem>would disabling prevent from booting Ubuntu 18.04.3
[20:26] <OerHeks> it is a user problem?
[20:26] <OerHeks> grubs scans all hdd's, as by design
[20:28] <arooni> question
[20:29] <arooni> often when i resume from suspend and enter my password on ubuntu 18.04 (lenovo t420) the system just seems to hang; mouse is responsive still but i can't seem to get it working without killing gnome-shell... what do?
[20:29] <texla> OerHeks, I agree with that comment it is a user problem> but grub does not scan and print all partitions on msata Thanks
[20:31] <OerHeks> it scans for valid OS entries, so if you want to avoid that, disable internal m2
[20:31] <EriC^^> texla: you could disable os-prober in the usb's grub
[20:31] <EriC^^> arooni: did you try acpi_osi stuff? it might help
[20:32] <texla> EriC^^, Would that then print only the usb paritions
[20:32] <EriC^^> texla: yeah
[20:32] <texla> EriC^^, Thanks for the info
[20:32] <EriC^^> texla: you want to chmod -x /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober then sudo update-grub
[20:32] <EriC^^> np
[20:32] <OerHeks> oh good find ..
[20:33] <OerHeks> now i find os-prober examples too;in 2011 one would add GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true to grub
[20:38] <EriC^^> OerHeks: that sounds like a cleaner solution, noted
[20:39] <EriC^^> texla: ^
[20:39] <OerHeks> yours is valid too, i guess
[20:39] <EriC^^> (you add that to /etc/default/grub)
[20:42] <PCatinean> Hey guys, I'm going mad over here. I just bought a brand new router and still it won't work on wired or wireless connection
[20:43] <doug16k> PCatinean, is only one router on your LAN?
[20:43] <PCatinean> I cannot access the interface of the router from ubuntu and dns does not resolve (probably because of te first)
[20:43] <doug16k> most consumer routers fall flat on their face if there is another router on the LAN
[20:43] <PCatinean> On my personal lan yes but there are other wireless networks around
[20:44] <PCatinean> It makes absolutely no sense why on the exact same devixe it worls when i boot into windows
[20:44] <PCatinean> And android device also.works
[20:44] <PCatinean> 0 configuration out of the box just plug and play
[20:44] <doug16k> PCatinean, do you have a static IP set up?
[20:44] <PCatinean> But ubuntu i can ping 192.168.0.1 but not access
[20:45] <PCatinean> I have an ip set
[20:45] <doug16k> try putting it on dynamic
[20:45] <OerHeks> oh, the multi device entrance to the router-menu problem??
[20:46] <PCatinean> Yes?
[20:46] <PCatinean> It is on dynamic
[20:46] <PCatinean> Not even cable works
[20:46] <PCatinean> Makes 0 sense
[20:47] <PCatinean> Should I look for witches or pentagrams arouns the house?
[20:47] <OerHeks> look for updates for your router
[20:47] <PCatinean> I jist bought a router thinking it would solve the issue
[20:47] <OerHeks> some routers need an update first, to unlock and set the date for support/license
[20:48] <OerHeks> but if you claim other devices work, i guess the menu only allows one instance/mac adress for administrator
[20:48] <tommy``> in ubuntu 18.04.3 firewall is enabled by default? I'm curious because i lost 2 hours to understand why kodi sharing with my ubuntu server doens't working anymore
[20:49] <doug16k> PCatinean, try this command: `ip -4 a` - what is the IP address beside inet on the interface(s) that are not "lo"
[20:49] <OerHeks> ufw is installed, no rules set. install gufw and enable it in systemsettings
[20:49] <PCatinean> Ok let me check.the router update first
[20:49] <PCatinean> Though i tried connextingnfrom.ubuntu the very first time
[20:49] <PCatinean> I'll switch to windows first
[20:50] <PCatinean> How can i be this unlucky I have no clue. I had zero provlems with wireless on this device and ubuntu for over a year now
[20:50] <tommy``> OerHeks: i made sudo ufw disable to have NFS, SAMBA and FTP sharings working with kodi
[20:57] <PCatinean> Ok back.sorry
[20:57] <PCatinean> Upgrading the firmware now
[21:01] <PCatinean> And it's not working, now what?
[21:02] <PCatinean> OerHeks, any tricks up your sleeve?
[21:02] <zzlatev> guys, please help me
[21:03] <zzlatev> How can I enable right "button" on touchpad
[21:03] <doug16k> PCatinean, does DHCP work?
[21:04] <PCatinean> doug16k since it assigns on windows and worls same for android and also assign an ip for ubuntu i would assume yes
[21:04] <PCatinean> ?
[21:05] <doug16k> you can assume. or you can see your ip with `ip -4 a` beside inet
[21:05] <PCatinean> How do i read the output
[21:05] <doug16k> is it a 169 crap address or a proper looking address?
[21:05] <PCatinean> For wlan
[21:06] <PCatinean> Inet 192.168.0.100/24
[21:06] <jeremy31> PCatinean: what broadcast?
[21:06] <PCatinean> Brd 192.168.0.255 scope global dynamic noprefixroute
[21:06] <PCatinean> And the router is set to assign ips from 100
[21:06] <doug16k> seems good
[21:07] <PCatinean> It's the most confusing ghostly s**t ever...
[21:07] <PCatinean> I can ping 192.168.0
[21:07] <PCatinean> .1 and i can ping 8.8.8.8
[21:07] <PCatinean> But can't access router interface or resolve dns
[21:08] <PCatinean> And can't resolve dns could be from the first issue since dns is set to.the router #doubleconfused
[21:08] <doug16k> you set dns? or dhcp autoconfigured it?
[21:08] <PCatinean> Dhcp autoconfogured it
[21:09] <PCatinean> And it works in windows and my android phone
[21:09] <PCatinean> Mind you windows on the exact same device (dual boot)
[21:09] <PCatinean> And from both I can access the router interface but not from ubuntu....
[21:10] <PCatinean> #halp #scared #confused #outofoptions #irefusetousewindows
[21:12] <jeremy31> PCatinean: you can't access 192.168.0.1 in browser?
[21:13] <doug16k> PCatinean, run `route -n`   what is the gateway (other than 0.0.0.0)
[21:13] <PCatinean> Nop, not from ubuntu
[21:13] <PCatinean> Windows or phone, no problem
[21:14] <PCatinean> Destination 0.0.0.0 Gateway 192.168.0.1 Genmask 0.0.0.0 Flags UG Metric 20100 Ref 0 Use 0
[21:15] <doug16k> what does `nmap -Su -p 53 192.168.0.1` say? 53/udp open ?
[21:16] <PCatinean> Failed to resolve ipv4 source u
[21:16] <PCatinean> It's because of arguments position or smth
[21:17] <doug16k> drop -Su
[21:17] <doug16k> just `nmap -p 53 192.168.0.1`
[21:18] <PCatinean> State closed
[21:18] <PCatinean> What the heck
[21:18] <doug16k> DNS is blocked
[21:18] <PCatinean> By?
[21:18] <PCatinean> And not on another os or another device?
[21:18] <doug16k> do you have a firewall enabled?
[21:18] <PCatinean> How do I find out?
[21:18] <doug16k> iptables -L
[21:19] <doug16k> does it print out 3 chains defaulting to accept, or tons of stuff?
[21:19] <PCatinean> Chain outout accept chain docker 11 references
[21:19] <PCatinean> Chain docker isolation
[21:20] <PCatinean> Could it be docker doing the problems?
[21:20] <PCatinean> I think it changes ufw rules for networking
[21:21] <doug16k> could be
[21:21] <doug16k> it probably messes around with things quite a bit to enable bridged networking for guests
[21:21] <PCatinean> what could.i do.apart from.stopping it
[21:22] <PCatinean> How can I disable.firewall.completely.to.test theory
[21:22] <PCatinean> ?
[21:22] <tommy``> sudo ufw disable
[21:23] <TJ-> PCatinean: can you show us " nc 5.39.93.71 9999 < <(ip addr show; ip route show; systemd-resolve --status; sudo iptables-save)  "
[21:25] <PCatinean> TJ-, it's hanging
[21:25] <PCatinean> Are the << rigjt next to eachother or with a space?
[21:25] <TJ-> PCatinean: give it a mo.. it should be pasting results to termbin.com and then giving you a URL in return
[21:26] <TJ-> PCatinean: exactly as I typed it for you (I test all my commands here first)
[21:26] <TJ-> PCatinean: you can copy/paste it
[21:26] <PCatinean> Alright I ran it again
[21:26] <PCatinean> I can't, i'm.from my phone
[21:26] <PCatinean> No way to connect with notebook while on ubuntu
[21:26] <TJ-> PCatinean: if it fails when trying to use an IP address (so no DNS lookup required) then there's a routing/firewall issue for sure
[21:27] <jeremy31> PCatinean: have you tried a live ISO to see if the problem is there also?
[21:27] <PCatinean> That I did.not indeed
[21:27] <TJ-> PCatinean: does "ping 1.1.1.1" work?
[21:28] <PCatinean> TJ- strangely now no, but it did before even 8.8.8.8
[21:28] <PCatinean> Not sure what changed
[21:29] <TJ-> PCatinean: but it'll still ping the gateway at 192.168.0.1 ?
[21:29] <PCatinean> Yeaj that works
[21:29] <PCatinean> I have a feeling docker messed things up here dunno why
[21:29] <TJ-> PCatinean: I wonder if you've got a stray MASQUERADE rule?
[21:30] <PCatinean> Lete.reboot
[21:30] <PCatinean> What would that be sir?
[21:30] <TJ-> PCatinean: "sudo iptables-save | grep MASQ" would reveal one
[21:30] <PCatinean> 1 sec
[21:31] <PCatinean> Uhm
[21:31] <PCatinean> There are...11 results
[21:31] <PCatinean> Docker and the rest bridges
[21:32] <TJ-> PCatinean: OK, lets see if any are going to affect the link to the gateway. I missed your earlier reports so can you tell me which interface name is connected to the gateway?
[21:32] <PCatinean> I have both wlan and ethernet
[21:32] <PCatinean> Take.your pick :))
[21:33] <PCatinean> I can stick.woth wlan
[21:33] <PCatinean> If it's easoer
[21:34] <TJ-> PCatinean: ohhhhh... TWO interfaces both connected to the gateway at the same time? on the 192.168.0.0/24 sub-net ?
[21:34] <PCatinean> Uhmm i didna boo-boo
[21:34] <PCatinean> I removed.the wan cable earlier to put.into my.notebook
[21:34] <PCatinean> That's why the ping didn't work
[21:34] <PCatinean> Oopsy
[21:34] <TJ-> If you've got one device with 2 interfaces both on the same sub-net to the same gateway that will cause problems
[21:34] <PCatinean> Ok just wireless from now only
[21:35] <TJ-> PCatinean: OK, check there's only 1 default route listed with "ip route show"
[21:35] <zzlatev> hey guys, how can I enable right click on touchpad?
[21:35] <PCatinean> Tons of bridges docker and wlp2s0
[21:35] <TJ-> PCatinean: you'd expect to see something like " default via 192.168.0.1 dev wlp2s0 proto dhcp metric 600 "
[21:36] <TJ-> PCatinean: we're only interested in "default" route entries, there should only be 1
[21:36] <PCatinean> Dev wlp2s0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.0.193 metric 600
[21:36] <PCatinean> Ahhh
[21:36] <PCatinean> Yes that it is
[21:36] <TJ-> PCatinean: so the PC is on 192.168.0.193 ?
[21:36] <PCatinean> I can run your previous coand btw
[21:37] <PCatinean> Yes sir it is sir
[21:37] <TJ-> PCatinean: good to the command running - do you mean the "nc ..." command?
[21:37] <PCatinean> Yes
[21:37] <TJ-> PCatinean: can the PC now do "ping 1.1.1.1" too?
[21:37] <car> So, I'm hoping to dual boot 16.04 and 19.04.  How difficult will it be?  ;P
[21:37] <PCatinean> Since i discoveree my retardness of removing the wan cable
[21:38] <PCatinean> No but 8.8.8
[21:38] <PCatinean> Works
[21:38] <PCatinean> It seems the ping hang every now and then but.it.comes back on 8.8.8.8
[21:39] <PCatinean> Ah wair also 1.1.1.1 works but it was delayed
[21:39] <TJ-> PCatinean: that's strange ... but lets move on: try "systemd-resolve yes.iam.tj" --- you should get a result of "yes.iam.tj: 109.74.197.121"
[21:40] <PCatinean> Resolve call.failed all attempt to contact name servete or network failed
[21:40] <PCatinean> Maybe since dns is set to router and router cannot be accessed? Idk
[21:40] <TJ-> PCatinean: OK, so we still have that. Now try: "dig -t A yes.iam.tj @192.168.0.1"
[21:41] <TJ-> PCatinean: you'd expect an ANSWER SECTION containing "yes.iam.tj.             38400   IN      A       109.74.197.121"
[21:41] <PCatinean> Connection ted out no servers could be reached
[21:41] <TJ-> PCatinean: so... either your gateway is not providing DNS services or something is blocking/diverting port 53
[21:42] <PCatinean> Port 53 shows closed
[21:42] <PCatinean> Yet mobile and same.devixe on windows, no problem
[21:42] <TJ-> PCatinean: lets go back to the PC's local firewall rules: first ensure no local blocks of port 53, with "sudo iptables-save | grep 53"
[21:43] <B|ack0p> hi
[21:43] <B|ack0p> i just realised sound doesnt work on my ubuntu
[21:43] <B|ack0p> it was working fine
[21:43] <TJ-> PCatinean: next, lets check there's no local MASQUERADE (NAT) being attempted for the 192.68.0.0/24 sub-net with "sudo iptables-save | grep '192\.168\.0'
[21:44] <PCatinean> One bridge
[21:44] <TJ-> PCatinean: listing a MASQURADE for 192.168.0.0/24 ?
[21:45] <PCatinean> -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/20
[21:45] <PCatinean> ! -o br-25@3987b90df -j MADQUERADE
[21:46] <TJ-> PCatinean: aha
[21:46] <B|ack0p> maybe it works after reboot
[21:47]  * PCatinean is anxious
[21:48] <TJ-> PCatinean: that rule means for any source address in net 192.168.0.0/20 that doesn't go out on interface br-25@3987b90df do network address translation (MASQUERADE)
[21:49] <PCatinean> Do network address translation?
[21:49] <B|ack0p> yes it works after reboot
[21:49] <PCatinean> As in change the interface it's using?
[21:49] <TJ-> PCatinean: let's try removing it manually just to find out if it is responsible. The only strange part is how ICMP (pings) is succeeding - I suppose it could be passing into something on that bridge and being routed out somewhere else
[21:49] <PCatinean> So 1) it's s**t docker as I said no? 2) why did it add it
[21:50] <PCatinean> Ok let's give it a world
[21:50] <PCatinean> How would we do that :))
[21:50] <TJ-> PCatinean: "sudo iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/20 ! -o br-25@3987b90df -j MADQUERADE "
[21:50] <TJ-> The -D means delete ... then we tell it the *exact* rule it must delete
[21:51] <TJ-> PCatinean: the other option is to list the rules with index numbers and then just tell it the index number to remove, using "sudo iptables -t nat -nvL POSTROUTING --line-numbers "
[21:52] <PCatinean> First one done
[21:52] <TJ-> PCatinean: then you could do "sudo iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING X" where X is the line number
[21:52] <PCatinean> First worked as I did.copy.paste from.grep
[21:52] <PCatinean> With -D
[21:52] <TJ-> PCatinean: OK ... try "dig -t A yes.iam.tj @192.168.0.1" now
[21:53] <PCatinean> No spaces between @ inpresume
[21:53] <PCatinean> Same error
[21:53] <TJ-> correct
[21:54] <TJ-> the @ means "aim the query at this host"
[21:54] <PCatinean> I thought so
[21:54] <TJ-> PCatinean: lets ensure there are no more MASQ rules still affecting things
[21:54] <PCatinean> Just like ssh but no still same error
[21:54] <PCatinean> Same grep?
[21:55] <TJ-> PCatinean: "sudo iptables-save | grep '192\.168'
[21:55] <PCatinean> 3 more
[21:55] <TJ-> PCatinean: any MASQUERADEs ?
[21:55] <PCatinean> 192.168.32.0/20
[21:55] <PCatinean> Masquerade
[21:56] <PCatinean> And two other for 192.168..16.0/20 DROP
[21:56] <TJ-> That shouldn't affect 192.168.0.0/24
[21:57] <TJ-> PCatinean: let's be really strict and just wipe out all rules! if that doesn't fix it we know it's not local to the PC, and visa-versa
[21:58] <PCatinean> Well well...
[21:58] <PCatinean> Surprise surprise
[21:58] <PCatinean> Doing docker network rm `docker network ls -aq` made it work instantly....
[21:58] <TJ-> PCatinean: "sudo iptables -t nat --flush; sudo iptables -t mangle --flush; sudo iptables --flush"
[21:59] <TJ-> PCatinean: oh well done!
[21:59] <TJ-> PCatinean: so line docker up in front of the firing squad :)
[21:59] <doug16k> :O
[22:00] <PCatinean> TJ-, thanks a lot for going through this with me, I had a suspicion but your approach definetely zoned in on the issue
[22:00] <doug16k> one of the reasons I steer clear of docker
[22:00] <PCatinean> I can't believe I bought a new router because of this but I guess that's it. And I think I see where the problem was
[22:01] <TJ-> PCatinean: I see from your current IP address you're on the PC again :)
[22:01] <PCatinean> Yes it started working instantly
[22:01] <PCatinean> Thanks so much for being so patient and helpful
[22:01] <PCatinean> May God pour a thousand blessings on you sir
[22:01] <TJ-> You're welcome; we all learn from these diagnostic sessions
[22:01] <PCatinean> <3
[22:02] <PCatinean> here was the kicker I think: acc19a164e        host                           host                local
[22:02] <PCatinean> NETWORK ID, NAME, DRIVER, SCOPE
[22:02] <PCatinean> all others were bridges
[22:02] <PCatinean> at drivers
[22:03] <PCatinean> Man it feels so good to be using the laptop, I even got a neckpain hanging so much over the phone
[22:06] <xubian> hi people. im looking for a ubuntu program which can rip audio cds into FLAC 24 bit. i already got "asunder cd ripper" but it only does 16 bit FLAC. can you suggest me something please?
[22:07] <doug16k> cds are 16 bit. you won't magically get 8 more bits from them by using flac 24
[22:09] <xubian> ok, didnt know that, thanks. i read this here about my smartphone (lg v20): The V20 has an issue that causes 16bit 44.1khz audio to be resampled to 48khz. This degrades the sound quality! The reason is that the V20 only plays audio files with 24bit depth bit perfectly. Neutron has a work around that adds 8 empty bits to 16bit files so the V20 sees these files as 24bit and plays them at their native 44.1khz sampe rate. Sound
[22:09] <xubian> quality is restored!
[22:10] <xubian> and thats why i wanted to rip some cds into 24bit...
[22:10] <doug16k> dont resample them
[22:10] <doug16k> make sure your output is 44.1kHz 16-bit and it will perfectly losslessly preserve the original
[22:10] <PCatinean> TJ-, I'm going to close for the night it's already 1:10 AM. Thanks again for your kind effort, much appreciated
[22:11] <PCatinean> Also everyone else who pitched in
[22:11] <doug16k> good night
[22:11]  * PCatinean takes a bow
[22:11] <PCatinean> cheers doug16k thanks for the support as well
[22:11] <xubian> doug16k, ok. thank you! =)
[22:11] <PCatinean> niight
[22:12] <tallguy> I have a ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS desktop that has somehow run afoul of netflix, won't run netflix anymore, I had a chat with a netflix tech support who told me that they do not support linux o/s and netflix might work for awhile, but not forever! - any comments, help ??
[22:14] <xubian> gn8 ppl
[22:14] <doug16k> tallguy, worked for me in firefox when I had netflix subscription
[22:14] <zzlatev> hey guys, how can I use "right click" on touchpad?
[22:14] <doug16k> did not work in chrome
[22:14] <zzlatev> without two-tap
[22:15] <tallguy> yes i was running netflix for a long time in firefox, but it all ended yesterday
[22:15] <doug16k> tell them to shove their DRM where the sun don't shine
[22:16] <tallguy> yeah really ...
[22:16] <tallguy> am i really going to have to install winbloz?
[22:18] <doug16k> they are deluded if they think windows users can't capture the stream
[22:19] <hggdh> doug16k: please mind your language
[22:19] <doug16k> what language
[22:19] <tallguy> you said
[22:19] <tallguy> windows'!
[22:19] <hggdh> doug16k: "tell them to shove..."
[22:20] <hggdh> tallguy: please keep on topic
[22:20] <tallguy> lol a little levity can't be all bad!
[22:20] <psilly0> windows 96'
[22:20] <hggdh> ...
[22:22] <tallguy> but really, i have a disconcerting problem, hopefully here in the 'nix world someone has gotten on top of this issue
[22:24] <sarnold> tallguy: definitely you should go to more concerts to fix your disconcerting problem :)
[22:25] <tallguy> lol touche sarnold
[22:37] <tomreyn> tallguy: "I have a ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS desktop" -> you should have an 18.04.3 LTS desktop these days. Apparently you never installed updates?
[22:38] <tallguy> yeah tomreyn, i have 18.04.4 to install, just have not gotten around to it
[22:40] <sarnold> an "apt update && apt upgrade" should be sufficient to change the .1 to whatever is latest
[22:41] <tallguy> yes i need to do that ... along with a winbloz dual-boot it seems ...
[22:42] <tomreyn> free security patches are nice to have after 1.5 years. and really easy to install.
[22:42] <tomreyn> (and the bug fixes, too)
[22:43] <tallguy> that PC runs just about 24/7 to entertain a 93 year old lady who is not very ambulatory, so it is hard to get it away from her
[22:48] <psilly0> did you see my post about the HP zino yesterday
[22:49] <psilly0> i have an Dell Zino from 2010, should i install 20.04 on it and use it till 2027 or install windows 10 on it and give it to my mom?
[22:54] <tomreyn> psilly0: you and i talked about this yesterday. but you still have another half year to make up your mind.
[22:54] <psilly0> i was trying to compare it to the guy talking about his netflix grandmother
[22:55] <psilly0> anyways have a nice weekend guys!
[22:55] <psilly0> & gals!
[22:55] <tomreyn> you, too
[23:31] <henninb> i am having a font issue, when starting urxvt I set the font in the .Xdefault (Urxvt.font: xft:SauceCodePro NF:pixelsize=16), but the font doesn't take, any advice?
[23:44] <sarnold> henninb: one of ~/.Xdefaults and ~/.Xresources (check spellings) is read on-demand and the other requires using xrdb -merge to read it in
[23:46] <henninb> thanks sarnold, from what I read the .Xresources is on demand.
[23:47] <sarnold> this is what I've got.. .Xresources:URxvt.font:	x:terminus-18,xft:PT Mono-14
[23:50] <henninb> sarnold did you install your fonts or are these part of the default on the system?
[23:51] <sarnold> henninb: terminus is packaged, pt mono I downloaded by hand
[23:51] <sarnold> I'm not sure about that part of the font string :(
[23:52] <sarnold> I've got xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources  in my ~/.xsession
[23:53] <henninb> ok, I will put it in my .xinitrc, thanks sarnold