lubot<HMollerCl> I have to do that change, stil my best machine runs win10 as main os.02:06
lubot<HMollerCl> google drive02:06
lubot<HMollerCl> and harware acceleration gpu on browser is my main issue02:07
lubot<Neyder> Hi to everyone who wants to made QA https://gitlab.com/snippets/190346202:33
guiverc2mentioned before, but https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/ is complete except for uEFI+Secure b/c I don't have any hardware that modern03:01
wxl[m]Wow guiverc2 thanks! That's for today's daily? 04:23
guiverc2wxl[m], only the ones mentioning 20191011 are from today's.  2xbios, 2xefi & 1 other.  (checklist)04:24
guiverc2do you want me to do others again (with Oct11)  I didn't expect different so just did random two (two EFI it was a first)04:26
wxl[m]Oh duh ISO column my bad04:28
guiverc2(I added that)04:29
wxl[m]You never cease to amaze. That's just fine, thanks! 04:29
wxl[m]And gosh damnit we're going to get your testcases up before final or else! 04:30
guiverc2testcases:  I'm wondering if we should also add (optional maybe) "Replace a partition" (Calamares offers it) or re-word Install with existing to use those words (wording from the checklist)... 04:36
guiverc2'Install with existing'   ^  (should have been quoted)04:39
wxl[m]I'd say be consistent with Calamares language04:42
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T56: Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56#247104:56
The_LoudSpeakerI had set up my certs for freenode just yesterday. Didn't know you can get kicked like that. Thanks for heads-up wxl: I will check their expiry dates.10:17
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T76: need new looks] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T76#247510:28
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Just booted the latest iso, which I had downloaded last night. And daaammm! The wallpaper! wow!12:54
lubot<RikMills> picture?12:55
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> one sec12:56
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/oGx6Lg9.jpg12:59
lubot<RikMills> That's a stoat. Ermine should be pure white.12:59
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> yes good point.13:00
lubot<RikMills> Nice though :)13:00
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @RikMills [That's a stoat. Ermine should be pure white.], but I don't everyone knows that. Very few will notice it I guess. But the wallpaper is just wow13:01
lubot<RikMills> Those that do will forgive, as it is so nice otherwise13:03
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> hey! @kc2bez I observed one thing in the installer.  … If I am not connected to internet, Default location is New York, system language and 'numbers and dates locale' go to american english by default. okay noice. … When I am connected, Default location is Kolkata, system language and 'numbers and dates locale' go to Hindi. Th13:08
lubotat's nice. … In the first case when I select my location manually to India, shouldn't the system langauge and locale go to Hindi then? It would be more consistent.13:08
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @RikMills [Those that do will forgive, as it is so nice otherwise], yup!13:09
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [hey! @kc2bez I observed one thing in the installer.  … If I am not connected to in …], One more thing, … When I am connected and select language as english before going to timezone page, after timezone, only dates locale is hindi, ssystem language sets to English India. Here dates locale should also go to13:12
lubot English coz the user already choose English in first page instead of Hindi. Seems redundant to change again for locale.13:12
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Also, @HMollerCl I think tap to click should be enabled by default in touchpad settings. didn't feel the need before but my mouse is not with me today so I had to navigate with keyboard and enable it from settings. Is there a particular reason it's not enabled by default? It might seem frustrating to some users coz hardware bu13:18
lubotttons on my touchpad were also not working with or without that setting. others may also face. I have synaptics touchpad.13:18
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @guiverc2 [<guiverc2> testcases:  I'm wondering if we should also add (optional maybe) "Rep …], Testing replace a partition type one now on an iso from 10th oct. where do I update it?13:23
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I mean update the results?13:25
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I should create a new entry under other installs on this page? https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/13:25
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Umm something wrong with grub? My installation failed.13:29
The_LoudSpeakergrub-efi-amd64-signed has unmet dependencies. 13:31
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTGLOBALKEYSPACKAGINGfb06efca0bab: Bump version for new upstream release] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTGLOBALKEYSPACKAGINGfb06efca0bab13:55
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTGLOBALKEYSPACKAGING44f7e7a59494: Update debian folder] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTGLOBALKEYSPACKAGING44f7e7a5949413:55
lubot<HMollerCl> @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, @HMollerCl I think tap to click should be enabled by default in touchpad s …], I don't know, will look at it13:59
lubot<tsimonq2> @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, @HMollerCl I think tap to click should be enabled by default in touchpad s …], Uh oh, you have awoken the wxl :P14:00
lubot<tsimonq2> wxl *loves* tap to click14:01
RikMillspopey found a bug14:03
popeytestingI'm testing 20191011 image and got a popup about configuring power management14:03
popeytesting(also, you're live on youtube right now)14:03
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> Hi Youtube14:04
popeytestingclicking the button did nothing14:04
popeytestinghello Dalton!14:04
popeytestingI'll redo it and get a screenshot / photo14:04
theferenosdevFYI I've also seen it in Plasma14:04
lubot<tsimonq2> We have a party in here :)14:04
lubot<tsimonq2> Pictures would definitely be appreciated, as I *think* I know what you're talking about but can't be sure14:05
theferenosdevMy assumption for it has always been that when the notification times out then either the application just gives up seeing if the button is pressed or the signal for the button just gets disconnected from the application, or something.14:05
theferenosdevFYI, Alan is live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqN7oH977H014:05
theferenosdev...so you can check in there too and go back in the stream a few seconds14:06
RikMillsyeah. that is something often moaned about on plasma notifications. once gone, you can't resurrect the action from notification histrory14:07
theferenosdevShould Plasma and LxQT simply make the buttons insensitive then, once they become useless, to indicate they don't work anymore?14:07
RikMillsfrom what I saw, this lubuntu one did nothinhg from the start14:08
popeytestingit was lxqt-powermanager i think14:08
* RikMills might be wrong14:08
lubot<tsimonq2> Ahh, yup, I know exactly what that popup is14:09
lubot<tsimonq2> That's a surprise, it happens on Plasma too?14:09
RikMillsnope. not like that anyway14:10
theferenosdevYep, I can't remember exactly which app it was though, probably Google Chrome's OMG! Ubuntu extension's notifications.14:10
theferenosdevBut yeah I don't really get many notifications with buttons here so I don't usually have many examples for Plasma's notification buttons not working when the notification is gone14:11
theferenosdevIn short they do work until the notification times out.14:11
lubot<tsimonq2> Wait, so it's a notification issue and not a power management issue?14:11
lubot<tsimonq2> Ohhh, I see what you're getting at14:12
theferenosdevSeems like it, from what I've seen of button'd notifications.14:12
lubot<tsimonq2> Who wants to report to upstream?14:12
theferenosdevInterestingly, slightly off-topic but Windows 10 seems capable of keeping button functionality even on timed out notifications.14:13
RikMillsbasically notification with a button to click, which does nada14:13
lubot<tsimonq2> hm14:13
popeytestingalso, Fn+ScreenSwitch (F7) or Super+P didn't do fast switching. Dunno if it's missing functionality or a bug?14:13
theferenosdevSo it's definitely a thing that's possible to implement if not implemented14:14
theferenosdevWAIT A MINUTE. Spectacle.14:14
lubot<tsimonq2> @popeytesting [<popeytesting> also, Fn+ScreenSwitch (F7) or Super+P didn't do fast switching. D …], @The_LoudSpeaker14:14
RikMillstheferenosdev: so?14:14
theferenosdevNevermind Spectacle has a special button, not a standard button.14:14
theferenosdevSpecial button being the Plasma hamburger button on notifications that implement it14:14
lubot<tsimonq2> @popeytesting [<popeytesting> also, Fn+ScreenSwitch (F7) or Super+P didn't do fast switching. D …], Missing functionality, nice one14:14
theferenosdevYeah Plasma's special hamburger button still works, obviously, but that's beside the point.14:15
lubot<tsimonq2> When's the last time we've seen Apport working with Lubuntu? That's a good point Alan just brought up14:18
lubot<tsimonq2> If we don't have a frontend, we should get it14:18
lubot<tsimonq2> If we do, it should be in the manual :)14:18
theferenosdevHmm, trying for notifications with buttons, TIL Plasma's Google Chrome notifications' settings icon actually takes you to Google Chrome's own notifications settings page... huh.14:20
theferenosdevLetting it time out, though, that same button opens standard Plasma's Notifications settings in history.14:21
theferenosdevBesides that, though, this push notifications example has no buttons... close but no cigar. :/14:22
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @popeytesting [<popeytesting> also, Fn+ScreenSwitch (F7) or Super+P didn't do fast switching. D …], Fn + F7 ? Wow what's that?14:26
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Don't have anything set like that afaik.14:27
theferenosdev<The_LoudSpeaker> Monitor Layout Management14:46
theferenosdevaka Smol box for ALT+TAB-like switching between 1 only, duplicate screen, span screen and 2 only14:48
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Ohh. Noice. Didn't knew that. I will check it tonight. Thanks!14:49
lubot<HMollerCl> We don't have fn f7 implemented14:51
theferenosdevBTW it isn't F7, it's Special Key for Monitor Switching14:56
theferenosdev...since the special key trigger differs across keyboards.14:56
theferenosdevAlso IIRC it might be also on Super+P in Windows14:56
lubot<HMollerCl> Yes, we haven't implemented shortcuts for monitor settings15:00
lubot<kc2bez> @The_LoudSpeaker [Umm something wrong with grub? My installation failed.], you need to update your iso. we had that issue 2 days ago.15:14
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @theferenosdev [<theferenosdev> Also IIRC it might be also on Super+P in Windows], Yeah. It is that.15:37
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez [you need to update your iso. we had that issue 2 days ago.], K. I ran an upgrade on live and have been afk since then. Will go back in a couple of hours.15:40
lubot<tsimonq2> @The_LoudSpeaker [K. I ran an upgrade on live and have been afk since then. Will go back in a coup …], Try a new ISO instead15:41
lubot<tsimonq2> The packages in the pool may still be old15:41
lubot<kc2bez> ^that15:41
lubot<kc2bez> upgrade won't fix the broken package thing15:42
lubot<tsimonq2> We did confirm that was fixed, right?15:42
lubot<kc2bez> yes15:42
lubot<kc2bez> it was a tense 24 hours so I was on it15:42
lubot<tsimonq2> Thanks15:47
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @tsimonq2 [Try a new ISO instead], K.15:53
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Btw, muting now. Movie night.15:55
wxl@RikMills actually from what i understand it they're just different coats to the same animal16:58
kc2bezI think you are correct wxl it depends on the season the animal is spotted.16:58
lubot<RikMills> yes, but the ermine is specifically the pure white. which the wallpaper is not16:59
lubot<RikMills> would be like calling a release (Raging Readhead), and showing a picture of a blonde....17:02
wxloh well i guess you're right there's a heraldy pattern referred to as ermine that's white17:03
wxlalso, redheads don't turn into blondes depending on the seasons  sooooooooooooooo17:03
wxlbut point taken XD17:03
wxl@The_LoudSpeaker technically offtopic but re: CertFP i didn't get kicked because the cert expired.. i got kicked for some other reason.. but then couldn't return. actually my cert had expired over a month ago17:05
wxlalso tap to click is a crime against humanity17:06
lubot<kc2bez> @kc2bez [it was a tense 24 hours so I was on it], I should clarify here. I wasn't the only one working on this, wxl and guiverc did too. I just can't speak for their level of nervousness.17:07
lubot<RikMills> yeah, I have to disable tap to click on my parents laptop, otherwise complete chaos happens!17:07
wxlmy feeling is that for some people, it's a nice feature, but for other people, it just leads to unexpected mayhem17:09
kc2bezEveryone has a different taste so having the option to turn it on and off is important.17:10
wxlwell i mean for the people that want it, what happens is nothing17:11
wxland nothing is a lot better than clicking things you don't intend to17:11
wxlit should be easy for someone to change if they want (it is)17:11
kc2bez^ That was my point17:11
wxlso then we just need a sane default, which i argue is to have it disabled :)17:12
lubot<RikMills> how is lubuntu with touchscreen? have a 2-in-1 here I might try17:13
wxlshould be good.. my 16" is touch enabled and it behaves nicely17:13
lubot<RikMills> nice17:14
kc2bezThat is good to know, i don't personally have anything i can test on.17:14
wxlnot sure ya'll are on ubuntu-devel but this is interesting: python3.8, link time optimization in gcc (which will result in about 400 ftbfs), new boost coming at the beginning of the 20.04 cycle17:15
kc2bezI must have missed that17:16
lubot<RikMills> I saw. I didn;t see a link to the test rebuild results though?17:17
wxli didn't either17:17
wxland there was some talk about blacklisting those 400 packages O_O17:17
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> Hmm, why LTO?17:18
lubot<RikMills> nicely inclusive17:18
wxlthat was not discussed17:18
kc2bezI'm slow sometimes, you meant the mailing list not IRC.17:19
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> Weird. We've had some trouble with applications interacting with Mir occasionally... since Mir has LTO always and some of the things we had linking it didn't.17:20
wxlright that17:20
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> But we also have hybris, so LTO was probably a mask and not the fix17:20
wxlyou might want to get on the mailing list and ask about that17:20
lubot<RikMills> oh well, you always think this development cycle should be easier. then you get this17:21
lubot<franksmcb> Per @kc2bez's requested tested daily and system properly detects my location during installation18:49
kc2bezThat is great!, thanks for checking on it @franksmcb18:50
lubot<franksmcb> Glad to help. Y'all are doing all the hard stuff18:50
tsimonq2Hi, I'm around until EOD.21:51
tsimonq2Is there anything that needs my attention?21:51
tsimonq2@HMollerCl, @The_LoudSpeaker: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59 is solved, right?21:52
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] fix keyboard shortcuts: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T5921:52
lubot<HMollerCl> Yes21:53
tsimonq2wxl: What was the next step on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56 ? I assumed you'd help guiverc drive it to completion. :)21:54
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T5621:54
tsimonq2I saw this with @aptghetto's commit but I do want to raise it for discussion; usually if you21:58
tsimonq2*you're committing to a branch, changes should be self-contained.21:58
tsimonq2Diffs are an exception, because they undergo review and critique, but if you're working on a CI branch and you're just pushing, try to keep it to one commit per change.21:59
tsimonq2It makes it easier to revert and individually reference if needed.21:59
tsimonq2To be clear too, I think it's totally fine to just push commits to CI branches. That's why they're there.22:00
tsimonq2Usually you'd want to test changes locally with sbuild to be sure, but if you think a change is good, don't be afraid to run it through the CI>22:01
wxl[m]@franksmcb did you have the problem before? Like with the beta? 22:06
kc2bezwxl[m]: he was one of the bug reporters22:07
wxl[m]<tsimonq2 "wxl: What was the next step on h"> I've just been busy. I've been out and about most of the day e.g. and it ain't over yet22:08
wxl[m]Cool thx @kc2bez22:08
tsimonq2wxl[m]: Understood. We have maybe the next day or two, otherwise we need to fall back on our checklist.22:08
wxl[m]I intend to22:09
-queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Final] (20191012) has been added22:32
tsimonq2The RC ISOs are up.22:56
kc2bezAlready downloaded22:56
kc2bez1 install done. EFI in vbox good. no encryption. 22:57
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T122: New Manual URL Design] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T122#247723:18

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