 I have to do that change, stil my best machine runs win10 as main os.
 google drive
 and harware acceleration gpu on browser is my main issue
 Hi to everyone who wants to made QA https://gitlab.com/snippets/1903462
[03:01] <guiverc2> mentioned before, but https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/ is complete except for uEFI+Secure b/c I don't have any hardware that modern
[04:23] <wxl[m]> Wow guiverc2 thanks! That's for today's daily? 
[04:24] <guiverc2> wxl[m], only the ones mentioning 20191011 are from today's.  2xbios, 2xefi & 1 other.  (checklist)
[04:26] <guiverc2> do you want me to do others again (with Oct11)  I didn't expect different so just did random two (two EFI it was a first)
[04:28] <wxl[m]> Oh duh ISO column my bad
[04:29] <guiverc2> (I added that)
[04:29] <wxl[m]> You never cease to amaze. That's just fine, thanks! 
[04:30] <wxl[m]> And gosh damnit we're going to get your testcases up before final or else! 
[04:36] <guiverc2> testcases:  I'm wondering if we should also add (optional maybe) "Replace a partition" (Calamares offers it) or re-word Install with existing to use those words (wording from the checklist)... 
[04:39] <guiverc2> 'Install with existing'   ^  (should have been quoted)
[04:42] <wxl[m]> I'd say be consistent with Calamares language
[04:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T56: Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56#2471
[10:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> I had set up my certs for freenode just yesterday. Didn't know you can get kicked like that. Thanks for heads-up wxl: I will check their expiry dates.
[10:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T76: need new looks] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T76#2475
 Just booted the latest iso, which I had downloaded last night. And daaammm! The wallpaper! wow!
 picture?
 one sec
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/oGx6Lg9.jpg
 That's a stoat. Ermine should be pure white.
 yes good point.
 Nice though :)
 @RikMills [That's a stoat. Ermine should be pure white.], but I don't everyone knows that. Very few will notice it I guess. But the wallpaper is just wow
 Those that do will forgive, as it is so nice otherwise
 hey! @kc2bez I observed one thing in the installer.  … If I am not connected to internet, Default location is New York, system language and 'numbers and dates locale' go to american english by default. okay noice. … When I am connected, Default location is Kolkata, system language and 'numbers and dates locale' go to Hindi. Th
 @RikMills [Those that do will forgive, as it is so nice otherwise], yup!
 @The_LoudSpeaker [hey! @kc2bez I observed one thing in the installer.  … If I am not connected to in …], One more thing, … When I am connected and select language as english before going to timezone page, after timezone, only dates locale is hindi, ssystem language sets to English India. Here dates locale should also go to
 Also, @HMollerCl I think tap to click should be enabled by default in touchpad settings. didn't feel the need before but my mouse is not with me today so I had to navigate with keyboard and enable it from settings. Is there a particular reason it's not enabled by default? It might seem frustrating to some users coz hardware bu
 @guiverc2 [<guiverc2> testcases:  I'm wondering if we should also add (optional maybe) "Rep …], Testing replace a partition type one now on an iso from 10th oct. where do I update it?
 I mean update the results?
 I should create a new entry under other installs on this page? https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/
 Umm something wrong with grub? My installation failed.
[13:31] <The_LoudSpeaker> grub-efi-amd64-signed has unmet dependencies. 
[13:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTGLOBALKEYSPACKAGINGfb06efca0bab: Bump version for new upstream release] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTGLOBALKEYSPACKAGINGfb06efca0bab
[13:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTGLOBALKEYSPACKAGING44f7e7a59494: Update debian folder] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTGLOBALKEYSPACKAGING44f7e7a59494
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, @HMollerCl I think tap to click should be enabled by default in touchpad s …], I don't know, will look at it
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, @HMollerCl I think tap to click should be enabled by default in touchpad s …], Uh oh, you have awoken the wxl :P
 wxl *loves* tap to click
[14:03] <popeytesting> hello!
[14:03] <RikMills> popey found a bug
[14:03] <popeytesting> I'm testing 20191011 image and got a popup about configuring power management
[14:03] <popeytesting> (also, you're live on youtube right now)
 Hi Youtube
[14:04] <popeytesting> clicking the button did nothing
[14:04] <popeytesting> hello Dalton!
[14:04] <popeytesting> I'll redo it and get a screenshot / photo
[14:04] <theferenosdev> FYI I've also seen it in Plasma
 We have a party in here :)
 Pictures would definitely be appreciated, as I *think* I know what you're talking about but can't be sure
[14:05] <theferenosdev> My assumption for it has always been that when the notification times out then either the application just gives up seeing if the button is pressed or the signal for the button just gets disconnected from the application, or something.
[14:05] <theferenosdev> FYI, Alan is live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqN7oH977H0
[14:06] <theferenosdev> ...so you can check in there too and go back in the stream a few seconds
[14:07] <RikMills> yeah. that is something often moaned about on plasma notifications. once gone, you can't resurrect the action from notification histrory
[14:07] <theferenosdev> Should Plasma and LxQT simply make the buttons insensitive then, once they become useless, to indicate they don't work anymore?
[14:08] <RikMills> from what I saw, this lubuntu one did nothinhg from the start
[14:08] <popeytesting> it was lxqt-powermanager i think
[14:08]  * RikMills might be wrong
 Ahh, yup, I know exactly what that popup is
[14:09] <theferenosdev> https://imgur.com/a/Qr2pQI5
 That's a surprise, it happens on Plasma too?
[14:10] <RikMills> nope. not like that anyway
[14:10] <theferenosdev> Yep, I can't remember exactly which app it was though, probably Google Chrome's OMG! Ubuntu extension's notifications.
[14:11] <theferenosdev> But yeah I don't really get many notifications with buttons here so I don't usually have many examples for Plasma's notification buttons not working when the notification is gone
[14:11] <theferenosdev> In short they do work until the notification times out.
 Wait, so it's a notification issue and not a power management issue?
 Ohhh, I see what you're getting at
[14:12] <theferenosdev> Seems like it, from what I've seen of button'd notifications.
 Who wants to report to upstream?
[14:13] <theferenosdev> Interestingly, slightly off-topic but Windows 10 seems capable of keeping button functionality even on timed out notifications.
[14:13] <RikMills> basically notification with a button to click, which does nada
 hm
[14:13] <popeytesting> also, Fn+ScreenSwitch (F7) or Super+P didn't do fast switching. Dunno if it's missing functionality or a bug?
[14:14] <theferenosdev> So it's definitely a thing that's possible to implement if not implemented
[14:14] <theferenosdev> WAIT A MINUTE. Spectacle.
 @popeytesting [<popeytesting> also, Fn+ScreenSwitch (F7) or Super+P didn't do fast switching. D …], @The_LoudSpeaker
[14:14] <RikMills> theferenosdev: so?
[14:14] <theferenosdev> Nevermind Spectacle has a special button, not a standard button.
[14:14] <theferenosdev> Special button being the Plasma hamburger button on notifications that implement it
 @popeytesting [<popeytesting> also, Fn+ScreenSwitch (F7) or Super+P didn't do fast switching. D …], Missing functionality, nice one
[14:15] <theferenosdev> Yeah Plasma's special hamburger button still works, obviously, but that's beside the point.
 When's the last time we've seen Apport working with Lubuntu? That's a good point Alan just brought up
 If we don't have a frontend, we should get it
 If we do, it should be in the manual :)
[14:20] <theferenosdev> Hmm, trying for notifications with buttons, TIL Plasma's Google Chrome notifications' settings icon actually takes you to Google Chrome's own notifications settings page... huh.
[14:21] <theferenosdev> Letting it time out, though, that same button opens standard Plasma's Notifications settings in history.
[14:22] <theferenosdev> Besides that, though, this push notifications example has no buttons... close but no cigar. :/
 @popeytesting [<popeytesting> also, Fn+ScreenSwitch (F7) or Super+P didn't do fast switching. D …], Fn + F7 ? Wow what's that?
 Don't have anything set like that afaik.
 Monitor Layout Management
[14:48] <theferenosdev> aka Smol box for ALT+TAB-like switching between 1 only, duplicate screen, span screen and 2 only
 Ohh. Noice. Didn't knew that. I will check it tonight. Thanks!
 We don't have fn f7 implemented
[14:56] <theferenosdev> BTW it isn't F7, it's Special Key for Monitor Switching
[14:56] <theferenosdev> ...since the special key trigger differs across keyboards.
[14:56] <theferenosdev> Also IIRC it might be also on Super+P in Windows
 Yes, we haven't implemented shortcuts for monitor settings
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Umm something wrong with grub? My installation failed.], you need to update your iso. we had that issue 2 days ago.
 @theferenosdev [<theferenosdev> Also IIRC it might be also on Super+P in Windows], Yeah. It is that.
 @kc2bez [you need to update your iso. we had that issue 2 days ago.], K. I ran an upgrade on live and have been afk since then. Will go back in a couple of hours.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [K. I ran an upgrade on live and have been afk since then. Will go back in a coup …], Try a new ISO instead
 The packages in the pool may still be old
 ^that
 upgrade won't fix the broken package thing
 We did confirm that was fixed, right?
 yes
 it was a tense 24 hours so I was on it
 Thanks
 @tsimonq2 [Try a new ISO instead], K.
 Btw, muting now. Movie night.
[16:58] <wxl> @RikMills actually from what i understand it they're just different coats to the same animal
[16:58] <kc2bez> I think you are correct wxl it depends on the season the animal is spotted.
 yes, but the ermine is specifically the pure white. which the wallpaper is not
 would be like calling a release (Raging Readhead), and showing a picture of a blonde....
[17:03] <wxl> oh well i guess you're right there's a heraldy pattern referred to as ermine that's white
[17:03] <wxl> also, redheads don't turn into blondes depending on the seasons  sooooooooooooooo
[17:03] <wxl> but point taken XD
[17:05] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker technically offtopic but re: CertFP i didn't get kicked because the cert expired.. i got kicked for some other reason.. but then couldn't return. actually my cert had expired over a month ago
[17:06] <wxl> also tap to click is a crime against humanity
 @kc2bez [it was a tense 24 hours so I was on it], I should clarify here. I wasn't the only one working on this, wxl and guiverc did too. I just can't speak for their level of nervousness.
 yeah, I have to disable tap to click on my parents laptop, otherwise complete chaos happens!
[17:09] <wxl> my feeling is that for some people, it's a nice feature, but for other people, it just leads to unexpected mayhem
[17:10] <kc2bez> Everyone has a different taste so having the option to turn it on and off is important.
[17:11] <wxl> well i mean for the people that want it, what happens is nothing
[17:11] <wxl> and nothing is a lot better than clicking things you don't intend to
[17:11] <wxl> it should be easy for someone to change if they want (it is)
[17:11] <kc2bez> ^ That was my point
[17:12] <wxl> so then we just need a sane default, which i argue is to have it disabled :)
[17:13] <kc2bez> XD
 how is lubuntu with touchscreen? have a 2-in-1 here I might try
[17:13] <wxl> should be good.. my 16" is touch enabled and it behaves nicely
 nice
[17:14] <kc2bez> That is good to know, i don't personally have anything i can test on.
[17:15] <wxl> not sure ya'll are on ubuntu-devel but this is interesting: python3.8, link time optimization in gcc (which will result in about 400 ftbfs), new boost coming at the beginning of the 20.04 cycle
[17:16] <kc2bez> I must have missed that
 I saw. I didn;t see a link to the test rebuild results though?
[17:17] <wxl> i didn't either
[17:17] <wxl> and there was some talk about blacklisting those 400 packages O_O
 Hmm, why LTO?
 nicely inclusive
[17:18] <wxl> that was not discussed
[17:19] <kc2bez> I'm slow sometimes, you meant the mailing list not IRC.
 Weird. We've had some trouble with applications interacting with Mir occasionally... since Mir has LTO always and some of the things we had linking it didn't.
[17:20] <wxl> right that
 But we also have hybris, so LTO was probably a mask and not the fix
[17:20] <wxl> you might want to get on the mailing list and ask about that
 oh well, you always think this development cycle should be easier. then you get this
 Per @kc2bez's requested tested daily and system properly detects my location during installation
[18:50] <kc2bez> \o/
[18:50] <kc2bez> That is great!, thanks for checking on it @franksmcb
 Glad to help. Y'all are doing all the hard stuff
[21:51] <tsimonq2> Hi, I'm around until EOD.
[21:51] <tsimonq2> Is there anything that needs my attention?
[21:52] <tsimonq2> @HMollerCl, @The_LoudSpeaker: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59 is solved, right?
[21:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] fix keyboard shortcuts: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59
 Yes
[21:53] <tsimonq2> Cool.
[21:54] <tsimonq2> wxl: What was the next step on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56 ? I assumed you'd help guiverc drive it to completion. :)
[21:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56
[21:58] <tsimonq2> I saw this with @aptghetto's commit but I do want to raise it for discussion; usually if you
[21:58] <tsimonq2> *you're committing to a branch, changes should be self-contained.
[21:59] <tsimonq2> Diffs are an exception, because they undergo review and critique, but if you're working on a CI branch and you're just pushing, try to keep it to one commit per change.
[21:59] <tsimonq2> It makes it easier to revert and individually reference if needed.
[22:00] <tsimonq2> To be clear too, I think it's totally fine to just push commits to CI branches. That's why they're there.
[22:01] <tsimonq2> Usually you'd want to test changes locally with sbuild to be sure, but if you think a change is good, don't be afraid to run it through the CI>
[22:06] <wxl[m]> @franksmcb did you have the problem before? Like with the beta? 
[22:07] <kc2bez> wxl[m]: he was one of the bug reporters
[22:08] <wxl[m]> <tsimonq2 "wxl: What was the next step on h"> I've just been busy. I've been out and about most of the day e.g. and it ain't over yet
[22:08] <wxl[m]> Cool thx @kc2bez
[22:08] <tsimonq2> wxl[m]: Understood. We have maybe the next day or two, otherwise we need to fall back on our checklist.
[22:09] <wxl[m]> I intend to
[22:32] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Final] (20191012) has been added
[22:55] <tsimonq2> Ooh.
[22:56] <kc2bez> ?
[22:56] <tsimonq2> The RC ISOs are up.
[22:56] <kc2bez> Already downloaded
[22:57] <tsimonq2> \o/
[22:57] <kc2bez> 1 install done. EFI in vbox good. no encryption. 
[23:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T122: New Manual URL Design] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T122#2477