[20:10] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: Move ZFS from core to live. @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=73dc1d4c754d58c03acf8f5f6734206219a10cb5 (by Adam Conrad)
[20:12] <bluesabre> Cool
[20:47] <ochosi> heya bluesabre 
[20:48] <bluesabre> Hey ochosi
[20:48] <ochosi> way to go sneaking in zfs support last minute :)
[20:51] <bluesabre> The flavors all figured it out in the last week, just tagging along
[20:51] <ochosi> sure, still, nice of you to take the time
[20:51] <ochosi> i know you're busy
[20:54] <bluesabre> Yeah, largely getting back in the Linux groove, just had a few more things the last few days
[20:55] <bluesabre> Planning a meeting Monday around my time
[20:55] <bluesabre> Can you stay up late? :)
[20:56] <ochosi> uh, monday may be the only bad night...
[20:56] <ochosi> have an interview on tuesday
[20:58] <ochosi> even today/now would be better :)
[20:58] <ochosi> Unit193 - you around? :)
[21:08] <bluesabre> :)
[21:09] <ochosi> dang
[21:09] <ochosi> that usually works
[21:10] <bluesabre> :D
[21:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: got any recommendations for a good screen capturing app?
[21:14] <bluesabre> ochosi: kazam is good for video
[21:15] <bluesabre> ochosi: Peek captures an animated gif
[21:16] <ochosi> that latter one i tried, but it segfaults (doublefree) when it tries to save the gif
[21:16] <ochosi> an animated gif would have been ideal
[21:16] <bluesabre> bummer
[21:18] <bluesabre> I think there's a few fullscreen recording extensions for chrome
[21:19] <ochosi> i'll see if i can get any of the others to work, maybe kazaam
[21:19] <ochosi> simplescreenrecorder oddly also failed
[21:19] <ochosi> "something went wrong during the initialization"
[21:19] <ochosi> quite the error message :)
[21:20] <bluesabre> That sounds like a gst error
[21:20] <ochosi> possible, yeah
[21:20] <ochosi> i wanted to set up everything from scratch with 19.10 anyway
[21:21] <ochosi> i've produced quite the franken-system here, with lots of xfce compiled from git master while working on 4.14
[21:21] <bluesabre> I just got a new computer and have been setting it up today with 19.10
[21:21] <ochosi> noice
[21:23] <ochosi> haha, so kazaam worked
[21:24] <ochosi> i mean it produced a 150mb avi for a few secs, but who cares
[21:24] <ochosi> but the cool part is: it included part of the red rectangle it uses to show where it's recording, just somewhere in the middle of the recording :'D
[21:26] <ochosi> and the video capturing doesn't seem to be very smooth
[21:32] <bluesabre> :D
[21:53] <Unit193> ochosi: Howdy.
[21:53] <ochosi> oh there you go ::)
[21:56] <ochosi> bluesabre: so, wanna do it now..? 
[21:57] <bluesabre> oh, I've got time for a quick one, sure :)
[21:58] <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
[21:58] <meetingology> Meeting started Sat Oct 12 21:58:35 2019 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[21:58] <bluesabre> Surprise!
[21:58] <bluesabre> !team | anybody around for a quick meeting?
[22:00] <bluesabre> #chair ochosi
[22:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi
[22:00] <bluesabre> #chair Unit193
[22:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi
[22:01] <ochosi> new motto: "better to have an impromptu meeting with a few people than no meetings at all"
[22:01] <bluesabre> :D
[22:01] <bluesabre> Works for me
[22:01] <bluesabre> #topic Open action items
[22:01] <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to replace light-locker with xfce4-screensaver in eoan
[22:01] <ochosi> noice
[22:01] <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to mail the mailing list to discuss additional keyboard shortcuts
[22:02] <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to mail the team regarding the GTK styles in GIMP (noting GTK used to be default)
[22:02] <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to email a team vote for color emoji support in Xubuntu
[22:02] <bluesabre> never got to it: bluesabre to work on improving "starting point" documentation for dev/QA
[22:02] <bluesabre> never got to it: bluesabre to reach out to other flavors to improve shared documentation
[22:03] <ochosi> i guess dev docs could be an upstream topic
[22:03] <ochosi> at least i wouldn't duplicate the effort
[22:03] <ochosi> and upstream could really use some time spent on that, and then we could simply link to it
[22:03] <bluesabre> Yeah
[22:03] <bluesabre> GIMP: GTK theme, got +4 / -0
[22:04] <bluesabre> Color emoji: +3 / -1
[22:05] <bluesabre> Keyboard shortcuts: Added Super+L for locking, Super+D for show desktop
[22:05] <bluesabre> #topic Updates and announcements
[22:06] <bluesabre> ochosi: Definitely in favor for upstream docs
[22:06] <ochosi> i guess we got both 4.14 patch releases (settings, panel) into eoan?
[22:06] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, pretty sure
[22:06] <bluesabre> !info xfce4-settings eoan
[22:06] <ochosi> that's pretty neat
[22:06] <bluesabre> !info xfce4-panel eoan
[22:07] <ochosi> i think i was the only one doing patch releases so far
[22:07] <ochosi> so that should be it
[22:07] <bluesabre> #info Xfce 4.14 released, available in 19.10
[22:07] <bluesabre> #info Root ZFS installation now available with the 19.10 daily image
[22:08] <bluesabre> I don't think I have any other announcements
[22:08] <ochosi> me neither
[22:08] <ochosi> i guess we won't push any further patch releases of 4.14 into eoan
[22:09] <bluesabre> #info 19.10 to be released this coming Thursday (10/17), let's test it this week!
[22:09] <bluesabre> Yeah, at least without them being SRU
[22:09] <ochosi> unless they fix something critical which has yet to be discovered (4.14 is going suprisingly smooth in terms of critical bug reports)
[22:10] <bluesabre> Indeed, we did a good job with our years of slower-pace development and 6 months of rapid development ;)
[22:10] <ochosi> haha
[22:10] <bluesabre> So with no other announcements...
[22:10] <ochosi> that may be the new methodology to supersede "agile" :D
[22:10] <bluesabre> #topic Discussion
[22:11] <bluesabre> It's been a pretty quiet development cycle on the Xubuntu side of things
[22:11] <ochosi> yeah, as long as you ignore upstream efforts
[22:11] <ochosi> my time was pretty bound by that
[22:12] <bluesabre> Same, was pretty on it with Xfce up until September, then I was on personal stuff for a month
[22:13] <bluesabre> knome: for the record, I am a fan of the new wallpaper (as usual). Dig the colors!
[22:14] <bluesabre> I think we'll need to dig in and do a good round of planning in the next couple weeks, 20.04 is an LTS
[22:14] <ochosi> indeed
[22:14] <ochosi> although tbh i wouldn't change much about the 4.14 stuff
[22:14] <bluesabre> There's probably a few upstream changes we should bring down, like the pathbar
[22:14] <ochosi> pathbar?
[22:15] <bluesabre> in thunar
[22:15] <bluesabre> Instead of text entry
[22:16] <ochosi> oh dear
[22:16] <bluesabre> Not sure what other goodies there were yet :D
[22:16] <ochosi> i thought there was only that one now
[22:16] <ochosi> doesn't make much sense to me to keep both around tbh
[22:17] <bluesabre> Yeah
[22:17] <bluesabre> This is the default, https://imgur.com/itmSy7N.png
[22:17] <ochosi> meh
[22:17] <ochosi> ok, yeah, we should for sure switch
[22:18] <bluesabre> Otherwise, probably lots of papercut bugs to fix
[22:18] <ochosi> yeah
[22:18] <ochosi> tbh we could review some apps again
[22:19] <ochosi> i'd still like to get rid of gnome software for the fact that it keeps running in the background
[22:19] <ochosi> but i guess there is still no alternative to it
[22:20] <bluesabre> It gets a little bit better each cycle, but yeah... it's still not particularly great (and not up to where software-center was)
[22:20] <Unit193> Still can't really find things, isn't so good in general.
[22:21] <ochosi> yeah, i also have to agree with that
[22:21] <ochosi> i've just gotten better at using apt since then
[22:21] <bluesabre> :D
[22:21] <Unit193> Oh, I don't have it installed, I just get to see "I removed 'mail' in software center and now Xubuntu doesn't start, what happened?" in #xubuntu.
[22:22] <ochosi> lol
[22:22] <bluesabre> That should be fixed now, but not for some of the active releases
[22:23] <bluesabre> Exo 0.12.3
[22:23] <bluesabre> !info exo-utils bionic
[22:23] <bluesabre> !info exo-utils cosmic
[22:23] <bluesabre> !info exo-utils disco
[22:23] <bluesabre> well
[22:23] <bluesabre> So, disco users are happy
[22:24] <ochosi> disco dancers too
[22:25] <bluesabre> So, anything more to discuss for now?
[22:25] <ochosi> upstream we don't care enough about application metadata, that's also an area to improve...
[22:25] <ochosi> but not much we can do downstream imo
[22:25] <ochosi> no, i think for eoan we're fine
[22:25] <ochosi> we should probably schedule a meeting for e+1 soonish
[22:26] <bluesabre> Yeah, was thinking about getting one set up the following week
[22:26] <bluesabre> So it begins...
[22:26] <bluesabre> > Builds: Xubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Final] (20191012) has been added
[22:27] <ochosi> i'll be afk the last week of october
[22:27] <ochosi> just fyi
[22:27] <bluesabre> alrighty
[22:28] <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting
[22:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: want to take it, or should I just run with it :)
[22:29] <ochosi> i
[22:29] <ochosi> i'd say run with it
[22:29] <ochosi> since i almost scheduled the meeting tonight ;)
[22:29] <bluesabre> lol
[22:29] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 19.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[22:29] <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to schedule next meeting
[22:29] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to schedule next meeting
[22:29] <bluesabre> #endmeeting
[22:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Oct 12 22:29:41 2019 UTC.  
[22:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2019/xubuntu-devel.2019-10-12-21.58.moin.txt
[22:29] <ochosi> domo arigato
[22:29] <bluesabre> thanks ochosi Unit193 
[22:30] <Unit193> Heh, I was hardly here. \o/
[22:31] <ochosi> yeah, but what would we have done without you?
[22:31] <bluesabre> Not had a meeting
[22:31] <bluesabre> ;)
[22:33] <ochosi> indeed
[22:34] <Unit193> Dang, that zfs stuff bumped the size by 40M.
[22:34] <ochosi> ouch
[22:37] <Unit193> 'Core' is now 800M
[22:40] <Unit193> As compared to Disco, at 736M.