didrocksgood morning06:21
jibelhi all06:24
didrockssalut jibel06:25
jibelSalut didrocks, ça va?06:27
didrockset toi jibel ?06:28
jibeldidrocks, maybe I found a solution for the "failed to mount / device not ready issue"06:31
jibeldidrocks, I'm testing it right now06:31
jibeldidrocks, using partx instead of partprobe seems to do the rtick06:36
pieqdidrocks, jibel bonjour ! Since you are the zfs on Ubuntu experts now ;), I have a stupid question; I read this over the weekend: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/10/a-detailed-look-at-ubuntus-new-experimental-zfs-installer/ and I don't quite get it. If you have ZFS installed, you cannot really know how much free space you have now, do you? Since as soon as you take a snapshot, every deletion/modification of a file results in06:36
pieqmore space used...06:36
dufluMorning didrocks and jibel06:38
didrockshey duflu06:44
didrockssalut pieq: you can use zfs status. We need to look more at df, if it reports the correct value or not06:45
pieqdidrocks, ok so there will be a lot of work to adapt the usual tools (like disks, baobab etc.) to be used easily if zfs is activated06:46
jibelor zfs list -o space06:46
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:48
dufluMorning oSoMoN06:51
oSoMoNhey duflu06:51
Trevinhogood morning!06:57
dufluMorning Trevinho. Thanks for the dock fix(es)!07:01
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oSoMoNgood morning Trevinho07:09
Trevinhohey oSoMoN and duflu, and np07:14
WimpressMorning desktoppers o/07:19
oSoMoNmorning Wimpress07:19
WimpressTrevinho: You arrived OK then?07:19
TrevinhoWimpress: yeah, thanks. All foost07:20
didrockshey oSoMoN, Trevinho, Wimpress07:20
Trevinhodamned keyboard... Although now stock waiting for the replacement bus 😡07:21
oSoMoNsalut didrocks07:22
dufluMorning Wimpress07:48
didrockshey Laney08:01
Laneyhey didrocks08:03
Laneygood weekend?08:03
didrocksnot really. You?08:03
Laneywhat :(08:03
Laneymine was nice yes :(08:03
didrockstravelled to London?08:03
Laneydid but for something else, not the release sprint, i'm at home today08:04
didrocksah ok08:04
oSoMoNhey Laney08:05
Laneyyo oSoMoN08:05
dufluHi Laney and willcooke08:10
willcookeafternoon duflu, morning all08:10
Laneygreetings duflu08:12
marcustomlinsonmorning desktopers08:12
oSoMoNgood morning willcooke, marcustomlinson08:12
seb128goood morning desktopers, did you have a good w.e?08:17
didrockssalut seb128, et toi ?08:18
marcustomlinsonseb128: recovering from a cold :/ and didn't have time to relax, too much to do. so yeah, bit bleh... yourself? :)08:18
seb128didrocks, oui, plutôt bon08:18
seb128marcustomlinson, busy but good, I feel like we had good time and got some things done also, but didn't rest much as a consequence08:19
seb128oh well, busy is good too :)08:19
marcustomlinsontrue, no time to be sick ;P08:19
seb128I'm in the tram to join Trevinho to the gnome-shell hackfest, I might not be on IRC at time but emails work or just wait for me to be back online if you need me :)08:20
oSoMoNsalut seb128. very good week-end here, my mother paid us a visit, we enjoyed really good family time08:20
seb128I feel like I've been sick non stop since we have the kid, not much atm though which is good08:20
seb128oSoMoN, ah, nice!08:20
willcooke*cough* *cough*08:21
* willcooke has a cold too08:21
seb128hey willcooke, get better!08:22
marcustomlinsonthat time of the year :/ yeah get better soon willcooke08:24
dufluMorning seb12808:33
Wimpressseb128 Trevinho have a good hackfest 🙂08:37
TrevinhoWimpress: we'll have, although seb si as always LAAAaate, not like the always-on-time-italian!08:38
dufluI can't tell if you're joking08:40
* duflu assumes so08:40
* Laney peers at glib2.008:47
seb128hey duflu, Wimpress08:49
seb128Wimpress, thanks!08:49
seb128duflu, he's trolling me because he was there first today ;-)08:49
Laneymoin seb12808:50
seb128hey Laney, how are you? had you a good w.e ? are you in London yet ?08:51
dufluseb128, Pi booted :) Curiously username/password ubuntu/ubuntu and ubuntu/blank do not work08:56
seb128empty password?08:56
dufluTried that08:56
seb128ah you tries :/08:56
* duflu edits the image directly08:57
Laneywas good thanks! nice beer fest :>08:59
Laneyi'm going down to the office tomorrow08:59
willcookeAnyone have any view on:09:03
ubot5Launchpad bug 1826040 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "examples.desktop file is not executable and only opens into default text editor(gedit)" [Undecided,Confirmed]09:03
willcookeShould we just remove the examples.desktop file?09:04
willcookefrom new installs09:04
willcookeor leave it as is for now09:04
Laneyremoving it sounds good09:04
* willcooke looks at example-content09:06
willcookemaybe it's just time to drop the example-content package from the seeds09:09
seb128it's useful to have some multimedia content on the iso sometime to test e.g totem09:10
willcookefair point09:10
Laneyis testing a good enough reason to have it installed for everyone though?09:10
seb128I didn't speak about installed :)09:10
seb128also I don't know who worked on the content and how much we/they still care about it09:11
LaneyI'm talking about the live image too09:11
Laneythere might be other reasons, but that one isn't good enough imho09:11
willcookeThere's a video from mardy and some music. < 13MB in total.  Not updated since, erm, maybe 201409:12
seb128I've no strong opinion, it's somewhat a nice personal touch but probably most people don't care at the same time09:12
seb128willcooke, we can replace the .desktop by a standard ln -s if we still care about making the content visible, but removing wfm09:16
willcookeThe only thing in the install file is that .desktop file.  I'm unsure how to make it a symlink.  I'm in too deep09:17
* willcooke should have kept his mouth shut 09:17
seb128willcooke, just drop it if you think you content is outdated09:20
seb128it's probably not great09:20
willcookeI looked at the change log and it got updated 2018 by nhaines09:20
seb128and people who install probably don't care much about the 'side' goodies and just want to install09:20
willcookeit's not super out of date, but equally, meh09:20
seb128right, as said I don't have a strong opinion09:22
seb128those content like the extra wallpapers give a small bit of 'personnal' touch/make the iso a bit more than only an installer/functional system imho09:23
seb128but I'm unsure many users care/are sensitive to that09:23
seb128so maybe it's a whatever09:23
jibelare the minimum requirements to install Ubuntu Desktop documented somewhere?09:34
jibelI found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements but I am not sure this is the reference09:34
jibelminimum memory should probably be raised to 4GB, otherwise OOM killer is triggered frequently09:35
seb128jibel, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/please-raise-hardware-recommendations/9814 discuss the topic and list some pages which have refeences to requirements09:35
jibelThanks I didn't see this topic09:36
seb128jibel, https://github.com/canonical-web-and-design/ubuntu.com/issues/5246#event-2388672446 bumped it this cycle09:36
seb128the wiki should probably be edited, it was also pointed out in a comment09:37
jibelah so it's just the wiki that is out of sync09:37
jibelcannot log in09:44
willcookejibel, to the wiki thing?09:45
willcookedocs site09:45
jibelwillcooke, the wiki09:46
willcookejibel, I'm in09:46
willcookestand by09:46
jibelwillcooke, this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements09:46
jibeljust make sure it says de same thing than the dl page for desktop09:47
willcookejibel, done09:47
jibelthere is only the RAM that differs apparently09:47
jibelwillcooke, thanks for your contributions :)09:48
didrocks(…and helping to make ubuntu better blablabla ;))09:48
* willcooke pats himself on the head09:48
LaneyI like that we get that for every upload09:49
Laney"Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu."09:49
Laneyyou're welcome, Launchpad09:49
popeyAnyone got a clean 19.10 nvidia system handy? Seems installing steam from the archive results in missing libnvidia-gl-435:i386, so steam won't launch.11:59
popeybug 184800111:59
ubot5bug 1848001 in Ubuntu MATE "libnvidia-gl-435:i386 not installed from Ubiquity checkbox in 19.10 beta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184800111:59
jibelpopey, I do, what do you want to verify12:06
popeyIf you have ticked the "give me non-free stuff" in ubiquity, and post-install you "sudo apt install steam && steam" does steam launch?12:07
popeyFor the bug reporter, he noted the 64-bit nvidia driver is installed when that box is ticked, but post-install, the steam app doesn't work because the 32-bit nvidia binary isn't available.12:07
jibelpopey, the installer doesn't install 32bit binaries12:07
popeyIs this a regression? Did this work in 19.04 and now doesn't?12:08
popeyUsers have always had to install some 32-bit nvidia library?12:08
jibelI think so12:08
popeyskeptical face engaged.12:09
jibelto be confirmed by someone who knows steam12:09
popeygonna rip the driver out of my gaming system and try that12:09
jibeltseliot, ^ did we install 32bit binaries on 64bit installation in the past?12:09
jibelwhen installing 3rd party drivers from the installer12:10
RikMillssteam-installer recommends nvidia-driver-libs-i38612:10
jibelyeah, but it is not installed by ubuntu-drivers when you request to install nvidia drivers12:10
RikMillsthis was discussed somewhere in the backlog. our steam package is old and needs a merge, and debian doesn't match our driver libs/meta/something12:15
RikMillsor such was the jist of what I read12:15
popeybug 1848009 is fun :)12:17
ubot5bug 1848009 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Delay launching application launcher gets longer the more apps are open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184800912:17
didrocksthis reminds me of Unity Startup Edition12:17
didrocksthe "you can open an application 3 times only"12:17
tseliotjibel, the nvidia-driver-$flavour metapackage recommends the i386 packages12:29
tseliotalso, I assume some of the games to be 32 bit only, so you would need 32 bit driver libraries too12:32
tseliotalso, nvidia-driver-libs-i386 doesn't exist in Ubuntu. It sounds like something that is available in Debian12:33
popeyIt's not the games initially being reported in the bug, it's steam itself.12:33
tseliotmaybe it's really a 32 bit app? I haven't really looked into that12:37
popey*it is12:39
popey /home/alan/.steam/ubuntu12_32/steam: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.24, BuildID[sha1]=5cc05963be376b1bb3e6a531797a08036e7e4a3b, not stripped12:39
popey 12:39
tseliotyes, then it definitely needs 32 bit driver libraries12:40
sil2100Hey! Did anyone have a chance to look at LP: #1847896 ?14:09
ubot5Launchpad bug 1847896 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Unable to shutdown or restart from log-in screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184789614:09
sil2100Adam was able to reproduce it on his system14:10
popeyYup, me too14:10
popeyMultiple times14:10
LaneyThat means that it'll be easier for someone to look into when that time comes :>14:11
sil2100It feels SRUable indeed14:15
Laneyrls tagging sounds good for that one14:25
Laneywhich is done, good14:25
seb128sil2100, could someone having the issue add their journalctl to the bug?14:34
Laneydidn't think it was necessary to ask for that since everybody can reproduce at will14:35
Laneybut sure :-)14:35
seb128sil2100, does it happen with an user logged in, or after logging out from the user session first?14:35
popeyit does happen after logging out, yes14:36
popeyand it does happen if you go to the "login as another user" screen when a user is still logged in14:37
sil2100seb128: it happens in both cases from what I know, both when there are users logged in and when there's no user14:37
seb128Laney, it was not clear from the IRC description that it would always happen, 'able to reproduce multiple times" was worded in a way that suggested it was not always (and I don't want to restart/shutdown my machine now so didn't test for that reason)14:38
seb128Laney, also I wish people would file bugs with details/log as a general rule rather than just IRC ping, but that's probably another discussion14:39
seb128Laney, anyway I stop there, I'm slightly annoyed that you told me off for asking for a log, maybe you did not but I feel like that way atm14:39
seb128sorry for the noise, going back to other things on that note14:39
Laneywell thanks for telling me14:40
seb128should probably have mentioned that bit in /query14:40
seb128sorry for not thinking about it before hitting enter14:40
Laneyno worries14:43
Laneysorry it came across like that14:43
LaneyI'm generally trying to keep the channel from getting distracted by bug link pastes if that helps to explain my motivations14:44
Laneynot saying that's what was happening there necessarily btw14:45
Laneyjust it can explain why I might say some things ... :-)14:45
seb128anyway, log has a endSessionDialog no XDG_SESSION_ID fetched from logind warning14:46
seb128and a shutdown failing "interactive auth required"14:46
willcookeha, I was just pasting that in to the bug14:47
seb128systemd session work side effect?14:47
Laneywe are discussing it now then? ;-)14:47
seb128anyway it's rls tagged so we will get to it14:47
Laneycould be14:47
willcookeI've pasted the relevant bits to the bug (I think)14:48
seb128well, I just wanted to bugs report to have proper info so they are useful when we decide to have a look, which is why I complained about the lack of journal/log; we have that now :)14:48
seb128willcooke, thx14:48
seb128hum, glib symbols seem to not work under valgrind for real, got them missing in an e-d-s error now :/15:06
Laneyjust valgrind some glib thing?15:06
Laneyto reproduce15:06
Laney--32419-- WARNING: Serious error when reading debug info15:07
Laney--32419-- When reading debug info from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmodule-2.0.so.0.6200.1:15:07
Laney--32419--    debuginfo section duplicates a section in the main ELF file15:07
clobranoTrevinho, hey! I opened a new PR for https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/issues/152615:08
clobranoTrevinho, for SRU, current master is some commits ahead of latest release, is that a problem?15:09
seb128Laney, right, I mentioned those warnings at doko the other day but I think they might be red herring, it gives similar warnings for other binaries but those have working debug symbols (I think, checking again)15:21
Laneythe symbols work as far as gdb is concerned15:23
seb128right, which would indicate a problem on the valgrind side?15:24
Laneydunno :(15:25
Laneydowngrading that to disco's version doesn't fix the warnings anyway15:25
seb128valgrind from disco has the same problem15:42
seb128could be due to some libc change or something :/15:42
Laneyseb128: I rebuilt it skipping dh_dwz and the warning is gone15:43
Laneyno I passed nostrip (that fixes it too, unsurprisingly)15:43
Laneylet me try again15:43
Laneyok now confirmed that for realz15:55
seb128Laney, it fixes the warning but does it make the symbols work?15:59
LaneyI get things like16:01
Laney==9058== 184 bytes in 1 blocks are possibly lost in loss record 227 of 23616:01
Laney==9058==    at 0x483CFAF: realloc (in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/valgrind/vgpreload_memcheck-amd64-linux.so)16:01
Laney==9058==    by 0x4ABC58F: g_realloc (gmem.c:164)16:01
Laneydamn it you infected my brain with that gdm thing16:13
Laneybet you all 10€ (each) that it's fixed by https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/a2dcb1d78737d3daa301ee63fbdd02837acb71a816:15
seb128Laney, it also made me look at gnome-session open issue and make me want https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-session/merge_requests/28 but that's proably fine for a SRU (slower shutdown)16:18
seb128I need to chase Trevinho also into backporting a few g-s stack fixes16:19
seb128at least the one for the night mode/color profile not working16:19
Laneyon wayland?16:19
seb128Jonas fixed that after .116:19
LaneyI'm going to review that gnome-session stuff, you don't need to worry about that16:20
seb128k, thx16:20
seb128yeah, the color stuff is wayland only, probably good for a first SRU16:20
seb128or we wait for .216:20
Laneywaiting is totally fine16:20
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willcookenight all.  London tomorrow17:01
Laneyrbalint: could you add a2dcb1d78737d3daa301ee63fbdd02837acb71a8 into the next systemd upload pls for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1847896 ?17:39
ubot5Launchpad bug 1847896 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Unable to shutdown or restart from log-in screen" [High,Confirmed]17:39
rbalintLaney, sure, but i have to note that i planned updating systemd only after release18:56
rbalintLaney, it is quite annoying bug although18:56
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