| didrocks | good morning | 06:21 |
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| jibel | hi all | 06:24 |
| didrocks | salut jibel | 06:25 |
| jibel | Salut didrocks, ça va? | 06:27 |
| didrocks | et toi jibel ? | 06:28 |
| jibel | pluvieusement | 06:28 |
| jibel | didrocks, maybe I found a solution for the "failed to mount / device not ready issue" | 06:31 |
| jibel | didrocks, I'm testing it right now | 06:31 |
| didrocks | sweet! | 06:34 |
| jibel | didrocks, using partx instead of partprobe seems to do the rtick | 06:36 |
| jibel | rtick | 06:36 |
| jibel | ... | 06:36 |
| pieq | didrocks, jibel bonjour ! Since you are the zfs on Ubuntu experts now ;), I have a stupid question; I read this over the weekend: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/10/a-detailed-look-at-ubuntus-new-experimental-zfs-installer/ and I don't quite get it. If you have ZFS installed, you cannot really know how much free space you have now, do you? Since as soon as you take a snapshot, every deletion/modification of a file results in | 06:36 |
| pieq | more space used... | 06:36 |
| jibel | trick | 06:36 |
| duflu | Morning didrocks and jibel | 06:38 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 06:44 |
| didrocks | salut pieq: you can use zfs status. We need to look more at df, if it reports the correct value or not | 06:45 |
| pieq | didrocks, ok so there will be a lot of work to adapt the usual tools (like disks, baobab etc.) to be used easily if zfs is activated | 06:46 |
| jibel | or zfs list -o space | 06:46 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 06:48 |
| duflu | Morning oSoMoN | 06:51 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu | 06:51 |
| Trevinho | good morning! | 06:57 |
| duflu | Morning Trevinho. Thanks for the dock fix(es)! | 07:01 |
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| oSoMoN | good morning Trevinho | 07:09 |
| Trevinho | hey oSoMoN and duflu, and np | 07:14 |
| Wimpress | Morning desktoppers o/ | 07:19 |
| oSoMoN | morning Wimpress | 07:19 |
| Wimpress | Trevinho: You arrived OK then? | 07:19 |
| Trevinho | Wimpress: yeah, thanks. All foost | 07:20 |
| Trevinho | good* | 07:20 |
| didrocks | hey oSoMoN, Trevinho, Wimpress | 07:20 |
| Trevinho | damned keyboard... Although now stock waiting for the replacement bus 😡 | 07:21 |
| Wimpress | o/ | 07:21 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks | 07:22 |
| duflu | Morning Wimpress | 07:48 |
| Laney | hullo | 08:01 |
| didrocks | hey Laney | 08:01 |
| Laney | hey didrocks | 08:03 |
| Laney | good weekend? | 08:03 |
| didrocks | not really. You? | 08:03 |
| Laney | what :( | 08:03 |
| Laney | mine was nice yes :( | 08:03 |
| didrocks | travelled to London? | 08:03 |
| Laney | did but for something else, not the release sprint, i'm at home today | 08:04 |
| didrocks | ah ok | 08:04 |
| oSoMoN | hey Laney | 08:05 |
| Laney | yo oSoMoN | 08:05 |
| duflu | Hi Laney and willcooke | 08:10 |
| willcooke | afternoon duflu, morning all | 08:10 |
| Laney | greetings duflu | 08:12 |
| marcustomlinson | morning desktopers | 08:12 |
| oSoMoN | good morning willcooke, marcustomlinson | 08:12 |
| seb128 | goood morning desktopers, did you have a good w.e? | 08:17 |
| didrocks | salut seb128, et toi ? | 08:18 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: recovering from a cold :/ and didn't have time to relax, too much to do. so yeah, bit bleh... yourself? :) | 08:18 |
| seb128 | didrocks, oui, plutôt bon | 08:18 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, busy but good, I feel like we had good time and got some things done also, but didn't rest much as a consequence | 08:19 |
| seb128 | oh well, busy is good too :) | 08:19 |
| marcustomlinson | true, no time to be sick ;P | 08:19 |
| seb128 | I'm in the tram to join Trevinho to the gnome-shell hackfest, I might not be on IRC at time but emails work or just wait for me to be back online if you need me :) | 08:20 |
| seb128 | haha | 08:20 |
| oSoMoN | salut seb128. very good week-end here, my mother paid us a visit, we enjoyed really good family time | 08:20 |
| seb128 | I feel like I've been sick non stop since we have the kid, not much atm though which is good | 08:20 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, ah, nice! | 08:20 |
| willcooke | *cough* *cough* | 08:21 |
| * willcooke has a cold too | 08:21 | |
| seb128 | hey willcooke, get better! | 08:22 |
| marcustomlinson | that time of the year :/ yeah get better soon willcooke | 08:24 |
| duflu | Morning seb128 | 08:33 |
| Wimpress | seb128 Trevinho have a good hackfest 🙂 | 08:37 |
| Trevinho | Wimpress: we'll have, although seb si as always LAAAaate, not like the always-on-time-italian! | 08:38 |
| duflu | I can't tell if you're joking | 08:40 |
| * duflu assumes so | 08:40 | |
| * Laney peers at glib2.0 | 08:47 | |
| seb128 | hey duflu, Wimpress | 08:49 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, thanks! | 08:49 |
| seb128 | duflu, he's trolling me because he was there first today ;-) | 08:49 |
| Laney | moin seb128 | 08:50 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? had you a good w.e ? are you in London yet ? | 08:51 |
| duflu | seb128, Pi booted :) Curiously username/password ubuntu/ubuntu and ubuntu/blank do not work | 08:56 |
| seb128 | empty password? | 08:56 |
| duflu | Tried that | 08:56 |
| seb128 | ah you tries :/ | 08:56 |
| seb128 | tried | 08:57 |
| * duflu edits the image directly | 08:57 | |
| Laney | was good thanks! nice beer fest :> | 08:59 |
| Laney | i'm going down to the office tomorrow | 08:59 |
| willcooke | Anyone have any view on: | 09:03 |
| willcooke | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/example-content/+bug/1826040 | 09:03 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1826040 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "examples.desktop file is not executable and only opens into default text editor(gedit)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 09:03 |
| willcooke | Should we just remove the examples.desktop file? | 09:04 |
| willcooke | from new installs | 09:04 |
| willcooke | or leave it as is for now | 09:04 |
| Laney | removing it sounds good | 09:04 |
| * willcooke looks at example-content | 09:06 | |
| willcooke | maybe it's just time to drop the example-content package from the seeds | 09:09 |
| seb128 | it's useful to have some multimedia content on the iso sometime to test e.g totem | 09:10 |
| willcooke | fair point | 09:10 |
| Laney | is testing a good enough reason to have it installed for everyone though? | 09:10 |
| seb128 | I didn't speak about installed :) | 09:10 |
| seb128 | also I don't know who worked on the content and how much we/they still care about it | 09:11 |
| Laney | I'm talking about the live image too | 09:11 |
| Laney | there might be other reasons, but that one isn't good enough imho | 09:11 |
| willcooke | There's a video from mardy and some music. < 13MB in total. Not updated since, erm, maybe 2014 | 09:12 |
| seb128 | I've no strong opinion, it's somewhat a nice personal touch but probably most people don't care at the same time | 09:12 |
| seb128 | willcooke, we can replace the .desktop by a standard ln -s if we still care about making the content visible, but removing wfm | 09:16 |
| willcooke | The only thing in the install file is that .desktop file. I'm unsure how to make it a symlink. I'm in too deep | 09:17 |
| * willcooke should have kept his mouth shut | 09:17 | |
| seb128 | willcooke, just drop it if you think you content is outdated | 09:20 |
| seb128 | it's probably not great | 09:20 |
| willcooke | I looked at the change log and it got updated 2018 by nhaines | 09:20 |
| seb128 | and people who install probably don't care much about the 'side' goodies and just want to install | 09:20 |
| willcooke | it's not super out of date, but equally, meh | 09:20 |
| seb128 | right, as said I don't have a strong opinion | 09:22 |
| seb128 | those content like the extra wallpapers give a small bit of 'personnal' touch/make the iso a bit more than only an installer/functional system imho | 09:23 |
| seb128 | but I'm unsure many users care/are sensitive to that | 09:23 |
| seb128 | so maybe it's a whatever | 09:23 |
| jibel | are the minimum requirements to install Ubuntu Desktop documented somewhere? | 09:34 |
| jibel | I found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements but I am not sure this is the reference | 09:34 |
| jibel | minimum memory should probably be raised to 4GB, otherwise OOM killer is triggered frequently | 09:35 |
| seb128 | jibel, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/please-raise-hardware-recommendations/9814 discuss the topic and list some pages which have refeences to requirements | 09:35 |
| jibel | Thanks I didn't see this topic | 09:36 |
| seb128 | jibel, https://github.com/canonical-web-and-design/ubuntu.com/issues/5246#event-2388672446 bumped it this cycle | 09:36 |
| seb128 | the wiki should probably be edited, it was also pointed out in a comment | 09:37 |
| jibel | ah so it's just the wiki that is out of sync | 09:37 |
| jibel | cannot log in | 09:44 |
| willcooke | jibel, to the wiki thing? | 09:45 |
| willcooke | docs site | 09:45 |
| jibel | willcooke, the wiki | 09:46 |
| willcooke | jibel, I'm in | 09:46 |
| willcooke | stand by | 09:46 |
| jibel | willcooke, this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements | 09:46 |
| jibel | just make sure it says de same thing than the dl page for desktop | 09:47 |
| willcooke | jibel, done | 09:47 |
| jibel | there is only the RAM that differs apparently | 09:47 |
| jibel | willcooke, thanks for your contributions :) | 09:48 |
| didrocks | (…and helping to make ubuntu better blablabla ;)) | 09:48 |
| * willcooke pats himself on the head | 09:48 | |
| Laney | I like that we get that for every upload | 09:49 |
| Laney | "Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu." | 09:49 |
| Laney | you're welcome, Launchpad | 09:49 |
| popey | Anyone got a clean 19.10 nvidia system handy? Seems installing steam from the archive results in missing libnvidia-gl-435:i386, so steam won't launch. | 11:59 |
| popey | bug 1848001 | 11:59 |
| ubot5 | bug 1848001 in Ubuntu MATE "libnvidia-gl-435:i386 not installed from Ubiquity checkbox in 19.10 beta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1848001 | 11:59 |
| jibel | popey, I do, what do you want to verify | 12:06 |
| jibel | ? | 12:06 |
| popey | If you have ticked the "give me non-free stuff" in ubiquity, and post-install you "sudo apt install steam && steam" does steam launch? | 12:07 |
| popey | For the bug reporter, he noted the 64-bit nvidia driver is installed when that box is ticked, but post-install, the steam app doesn't work because the 32-bit nvidia binary isn't available. | 12:07 |
| jibel | popey, the installer doesn't install 32bit binaries | 12:07 |
| popey | Is this a regression? Did this work in 19.04 and now doesn't? | 12:08 |
| jibel | no | 12:08 |
| popey | Users have always had to install some 32-bit nvidia library? | 12:08 |
| jibel | I think so | 12:08 |
| popey | skeptical face engaged. | 12:09 |
| jibel | to be confirmed by someone who knows steam | 12:09 |
| popey | gonna rip the driver out of my gaming system and try that | 12:09 |
| popey | thanks | 12:09 |
| jibel | tseliot, ^ did we install 32bit binaries on 64bit installation in the past? | 12:09 |
| jibel | when installing 3rd party drivers from the installer | 12:10 |
| RikMills | steam-installer recommends nvidia-driver-libs-i386 | 12:10 |
| jibel | yeah, but it is not installed by ubuntu-drivers when you request to install nvidia drivers | 12:10 |
| RikMills | this was discussed somewhere in the backlog. our steam package is old and needs a merge, and debian doesn't match our driver libs/meta/something | 12:15 |
| RikMills | or such was the jist of what I read | 12:15 |
| popey | bug 1848009 is fun :) | 12:17 |
| ubot5 | bug 1848009 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Delay launching application launcher gets longer the more apps are open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1848009 | 12:17 |
| didrocks | this reminds me of Unity Startup Edition | 12:17 |
| didrocks | the "you can open an application 3 times only" | 12:17 |
| popey | :D | 12:18 |
| tseliot | jibel, the nvidia-driver-$flavour metapackage recommends the i386 packages | 12:29 |
| tseliot | also, I assume some of the games to be 32 bit only, so you would need 32 bit driver libraries too | 12:32 |
| tseliot | also, nvidia-driver-libs-i386 doesn't exist in Ubuntu. It sounds like something that is available in Debian | 12:33 |
| popey | It's not the games initially being reported in the bug, it's steam itself. | 12:33 |
| tseliot | maybe it's really a 32 bit app? I haven't really looked into that | 12:37 |
| popey | it | 12:39 |
| popey | *it is | 12:39 |
| popey | /home/alan/.steam/ubuntu12_32/steam: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.24, BuildID[sha1]=5cc05963be376b1bb3e6a531797a08036e7e4a3b, not stripped | 12:39 |
| popey | 12:39 | |
| tseliot | yes, then it definitely needs 32 bit driver libraries | 12:40 |
| sil2100 | Hey! Did anyone have a chance to look at LP: #1847896 ? | 14:09 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1847896 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Unable to shutdown or restart from log-in screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1847896 | 14:09 |
| Laney | Nope | 14:10 |
| sil2100 | Adam was able to reproduce it on his system | 14:10 |
| popey | Yup, me too | 14:10 |
| popey | Multiple times | 14:10 |
| Laney | Good | 14:11 |
| Laney | That means that it'll be easier for someone to look into when that time comes :> | 14:11 |
| sil2100 | It feels SRUable indeed | 14:15 |
| Laney | nod | 14:17 |
| Laney | rls tagging sounds good for that one | 14:25 |
| Laney | which is done, good | 14:25 |
| seb128 | sil2100, could someone having the issue add their journalctl to the bug? | 14:34 |
| Laney | didn't think it was necessary to ask for that since everybody can reproduce at will | 14:35 |
| Laney | but sure :-) | 14:35 |
| seb128 | sil2100, does it happen with an user logged in, or after logging out from the user session first? | 14:35 |
| popey | it does happen after logging out, yes | 14:36 |
| popey | and it does happen if you go to the "login as another user" screen when a user is still logged in | 14:37 |
| sil2100 | seb128: it happens in both cases from what I know, both when there are users logged in and when there's no user | 14:37 |
| seb128 | Laney, it was not clear from the IRC description that it would always happen, 'able to reproduce multiple times" was worded in a way that suggested it was not always (and I don't want to restart/shutdown my machine now so didn't test for that reason) | 14:38 |
| Laney | ok | 14:39 |
| seb128 | Laney, also I wish people would file bugs with details/log as a general rule rather than just IRC ping, but that's probably another discussion | 14:39 |
| seb128 | Laney, anyway I stop there, I'm slightly annoyed that you told me off for asking for a log, maybe you did not but I feel like that way atm | 14:39 |
| seb128 | sorry for the noise, going back to other things on that note | 14:39 |
| Laney | well thanks for telling me | 14:40 |
| seb128 | should probably have mentioned that bit in /query | 14:40 |
| seb128 | sorry for not thinking about it before hitting enter | 14:40 |
| Laney | no worries | 14:43 |
| Laney | sorry it came across like that | 14:43 |
| Laney | I'm generally trying to keep the channel from getting distracted by bug link pastes if that helps to explain my motivations | 14:44 |
| Laney | not saying that's what was happening there necessarily btw | 14:45 |
| Laney | just it can explain why I might say some things ... :-) | 14:45 |
| seb128 | right | 14:45 |
| seb128 | anyway, log has a endSessionDialog no XDG_SESSION_ID fetched from logind warning | 14:46 |
| seb128 | and a shutdown failing "interactive auth required" | 14:46 |
| willcooke | ha, I was just pasting that in to the bug | 14:47 |
| seb128 | systemd session work side effect? | 14:47 |
| Laney | we are discussing it now then? ;-) | 14:47 |
| seb128 | anyway it's rls tagged so we will get to it | 14:47 |
| Laney | could be | 14:47 |
| seb128 | lol | 14:47 |
| willcooke | I've pasted the relevant bits to the bug (I think) | 14:48 |
| seb128 | well, I just wanted to bugs report to have proper info so they are useful when we decide to have a look, which is why I complained about the lack of journal/log; we have that now :) | 14:48 |
| seb128 | willcooke, thx | 14:48 |
| seb128 | hum, glib symbols seem to not work under valgrind for real, got them missing in an e-d-s error now :/ | 15:06 |
| Laney | just valgrind some glib thing? | 15:06 |
| Laney | to reproduce | 15:06 |
| Laney | --32419-- WARNING: Serious error when reading debug info | 15:07 |
| Laney | --32419-- When reading debug info from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmodule-2.0.so.0.6200.1: | 15:07 |
| Laney | --32419-- debuginfo section duplicates a section in the main ELF file | 15:07 |
| Laney | 😳 | 15:07 |
| clobrano | Trevinho, hey! I opened a new PR for https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/issues/1526 | 15:08 |
| clobrano | Trevinho, for SRU, current master is some commits ahead of latest release, is that a problem? | 15:09 |
| seb128 | Laney, right, I mentioned those warnings at doko the other day but I think they might be red herring, it gives similar warnings for other binaries but those have working debug symbols (I think, checking again) | 15:21 |
| Laney | the symbols work as far as gdb is concerned | 15:23 |
| Laney | afaics | 15:23 |
| seb128 | right, which would indicate a problem on the valgrind side? | 15:24 |
| Laney | dunno :( | 15:25 |
| Laney | downgrading that to disco's version doesn't fix the warnings anyway | 15:25 |
| seb128 | valgrind from disco has the same problem | 15:42 |
| seb128 | could be due to some libc change or something :/ | 15:42 |
| Laney | seb128: I rebuilt it skipping dh_dwz and the warning is gone | 15:43 |
| Laney | wait | 15:43 |
| Laney | no I passed nostrip (that fixes it too, unsurprisingly) | 15:43 |
| Laney | let me try again | 15:43 |
| Laney | ok now confirmed that for realz | 15:55 |
| seb128 | Laney, it fixes the warning but does it make the symbols work? | 15:59 |
| Laney | I get things like | 16:01 |
| Laney | ==9058== 184 bytes in 1 blocks are possibly lost in loss record 227 of 236 | 16:01 |
| Laney | ==9058== at 0x483CFAF: realloc (in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/valgrind/vgpreload_memcheck-amd64-linux.so) | 16:01 |
| Laney | ==9058== by 0x4ABC58F: g_realloc (gmem.c:164) | 16:01 |
| Laney | damn it you infected my brain with that gdm thing | 16:13 |
| Laney | bet you all 10€ (each) that it's fixed by https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/a2dcb1d78737d3daa301ee63fbdd02837acb71a8 | 16:15 |
| seb128 | Laney, it also made me look at gnome-session open issue and make me want https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-session/merge_requests/28 but that's proably fine for a SRU (slower shutdown) | 16:18 |
| seb128 | I need to chase Trevinho also into backporting a few g-s stack fixes | 16:19 |
| seb128 | at least the one for the night mode/color profile not working | 16:19 |
| Laney | on wayland? | 16:19 |
| seb128 | Jonas fixed that after .1 | 16:19 |
| Laney | I'm going to review that gnome-session stuff, you don't need to worry about that | 16:20 |
| seb128 | k, thx | 16:20 |
| seb128 | yeah, the color stuff is wayland only, probably good for a first SRU | 16:20 |
| seb128 | or we wait for .2 | 16:20 |
| Laney | yes | 16:20 |
| Laney | waiting is totally fine | 16:20 |
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| willcooke | night all. London tomorrow | 17:01 |
| Laney | rbalint: could you add a2dcb1d78737d3daa301ee63fbdd02837acb71a8 into the next systemd upload pls for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1847896 ? | 17:39 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1847896 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Unable to shutdown or restart from log-in screen" [High,Confirmed] | 17:39 |
| rbalint | Laney, sure, but i have to note that i planned updating systemd only after release | 18:56 |
| rbalint | Laney, it is quite annoying bug although | 18:56 |
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