[10:47] <knome> bluesabre, as suggested by ochosi, i changed the original colors to match the 4.14 wallpaper colors ;)
[10:58] <knome> sorry for the wall of text on the mailing list... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2019-October/011850.html
[10:58] <knome> Unit193, we should figure out some ircop things.
[11:08] <knome> bluesabre, we should make sure somebody (or some team) is a member of https://launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow
[11:09] <knome> bluesabre, this might include getting hold of dylan, which might not be easy, or making somebody from ubuntu forcefully take the ownership of that team
[11:11] <bluesabre> knome: alrighty, I'll work on that
[11:11] <knome> thanks :)
[11:11] <bluesabre> knome: suppose I saw that mail coming, but thahks for all the time you've given to Xubuntu over the years :)
[11:12] <knome> no problem
[11:12] <knome> and again, not going completely away, just time to reassess what i can realistically work on
[11:12] <bluesabre> Yup, makes sense
[11:12] <knome> bluesabre, want to become a mailing list admin?
[11:13] <bluesabre> I need to start recruiting new people into the team
[11:13] <knome> well that's a constant ;)
[11:13] <bluesabre> knome: not particularly, but I certainly can
[11:13] <bluesabre> :D
[11:14] <knome> you are now the admin of three mailing lists!
[11:14] <knome> congrats
[11:47] <Unit193> knome: Sad to see you take a step back, but as bluesabre said.
[12:00] <knome> ten years is a long time..
[12:00] <knome> Unit193, so if i leave the LP team for #xubuntu, will you handle updating the perms issues with your IRCC hat?
[12:01] <knome> Unit193, also, who has owner flags for -devel and -offtopic and do we need to transfer?
[12:04] <knome> oh, offopic was core channel too
[12:04] <knome> Unit193, anyway, i left both the LP teams..
[12:04] <Unit193> knome: IRCC has -ot, you and ochosi have the same level for here though.  You can always /msg ChanServ flags #xubuntu knome -*
[12:04] <knome> i can leave them be if it might be helpful in the future
[12:05] <knome> if it's indifferent, then i can remove them just as well (:
[12:06] <knome> or you can think about it overnight, two or thirty and then tell me :D
[12:12] <Unit193> I mean, I guess it's up to you really. :3
[12:17] <knome> well, i guess i was really uncareful, you and bluesabre just accidentally got +FRs in #xubuntu-devle
[12:17] <knome> oh dear me!
[12:17] <knome> and removed mine :)
[12:18] <knome> there can only be 4 founders per channel, chanserv told me, so i couldn't do it myself, so maybe you want to set lyz as the fourth for "backup" purposes..
[12:21] <knome> and deflagged myself from ot and main too
[12:21] <Unit193> :'(
[12:21] <knome> don't worry, i am still mentally attached to this project
[12:22] <knome> i guess the email wasn't very clear on that (even though it said so), this is not to go away completely but try to be more motivated to do the tasks i *will* do :)
[12:23] <Unit193> Yeah, and it makes sense.  bluesabre: FWIW, I'm also listed as a mod on -devel and -users, so I try to at least weed out the spam.
[12:23] <knome> and unless the council/team decided otherwise, i still inted to keep my team membership for example
[12:23] <knome> Unit193, want to be made an admin as well?
[12:23] <knome> should share the admin pass with seany
[12:25] <Unit193> What I've got seems to work well, only reason I've poked is to blacklist email domains which should get a review and note in here anyway.
[12:26] <knome> right
[15:52] <pleia2> knome: you also handle mirrors, would be good to quickly sync up to document what criteria you use for inclusion because I always forget our process
[16:33] <flocculant> knome: thanks for the fish, and for the help when I needed it before I gave up :)
[17:00] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- Reminder: Next meeting chair is knome
[17:01] <knome> pleia2, basically the loose criteria is that they should seek for official approval from the ubuntu mirrors list of they mirror ubuntu too
[17:02] <knome> pleia2, for the mirrors that sync xubuntu only... well i guess there is not really any criteria other than "don't be silly", eg. don't mirror with a 10M upload bandwidth
[17:03] <knome> pleia2, and that they are more or less "committed" to mirroring us
[17:04] <knome> pleia2, theoretically it doesn't matter what kind of syncing process they use, but if they ask, the official ubuntu way is always the best if possible
[17:05] <knome> pleia2, or alternatively, don't ask me but refer to the documentation we've written at some point: https://xubuntu.org/dev/mirrors/ :D
[17:07] <knome> i know i left -doc already, but i'm happy to write developer documentation for things if needed, like this
[17:07] <knome> fortunately past me has saved me some work here ;)
[17:15] <pleia2> oh neat, I didn't realize it was already documented :O
[17:15] <knome> no worries
[17:15] <knome> i didn't remember that either
[17:15] <pleia2> good job past knome!
[17:15] <knome> i'm pretty sure the process to add/maintain mirrors isn't documented though
[17:15] <knome> but it's *relatively* self-explanatory once you get there
[17:15] <pleia2> on the website?
[17:15] <knome> yeah
[17:16] <pleia2> let me see if I can figure it out
[17:16] <knome> it's automated
[17:16] <knome> lemme also open WP admin so i can help you if needed
[17:17] <pleia2> ok, so it's just under Releases > Mirrors
[17:17] <knome> yep
[17:18] <pleia2> seems easy enough, thanks :)
[17:18] <knome> and yes, one of our requirements is that the mirror uses the version numbers in their directory scheme :D
[17:18] <knome> apparently...
[17:18] <knome> but unless i've been mad, that's how the official ubuntu mirrors do that, so if you sync with the default method, you're good
[17:19] <knome> Spass[m], hullo! (:
[17:19] <knome> Spass[m], if you want to help with websites/social media, there's now a lot more for grabs ;) 
[18:15] <Spass[m]> hello knome, thanks for the info, I've read your ML message and it's sad (but understandable) that you need to step back a little, I'll try to help more with Xubuntu stuff in the future, but unfortunately since I've started a new job recently I have MUCH less free time atm
[18:16] <knome> yeah, that's how it goes...
[18:18] <Spass[m]> but I think that my work schedule will became normal / manageable soonish
[18:19] <Spass[m]> but I think that my work schedule will became normal / manageable soonish
[18:19] <knome> great to hear :)
[18:19] <knome> don't be afraid to ask for help
[18:21] <knome> btw, the contributor documentation talks about bzr in many places, but we've moved to git..
[18:42] <Spass> sorry for the double msg, that matrix bridge is whimsical…
[18:44] <knome> no problem
[18:44] <knome> more activity on this channel doesn't hurt anybody
[18:45] <Spass> :)
[18:46] <knome> so anybody else want a crash course on anything? :D
[19:56] <TJ-> Is xfce4-panel supposed to be in the same session scope as xfwm4 etc?
[20:09] <brainwash> TJ-: is there a problem with the Xubuntu configuration?
[20:11] <TJ-> brainwash: Had an unexplained GUI crash this afternoon, since when on login there's no panel but hotkeys work so can open terminal but couldn't find any clue in logs as to why, or what was missing. I *just* this minute fixed it by logging in using the XFCE session, then log-out and use the Xubuntu session. Not sure what was going on though. took 7 hours to fix !
[20:12] <brainwash> maybe something that could have been fixed by clearing ~/.cache/sessions
[20:12] <TJ-> brainwash: in hunting for clues noticed that 'loginctl user-status' showd xfce3-panel in a different scope to everything else
[20:13] <brainwash> leftovers (zombies)?
[20:13] <TJ-> brainwash: could be; earlier I was trying to spot anything that had changed recently in .config .local but didn't think .cache would be critical
[20:14] <TJ-> no zombies, I cleared back to no display-manager, and also dod "loginctl kill-session" and also kill-user as experiements
[20:16] <TJ-> If it happens again I'll check that directory first
[20:16] <brainwash>                   │ ├─1614 xfwm4
[20:16] <brainwash>                   │ ├─1631 xfsettingsd
[20:16] <brainwash>                   │ ├─1632 xfce4-panel
[20:16] <brainwash> that's what I have
[20:17] <TJ-> there were a lot of old Thunar- sessions, and one xfce4-session....bak
[20:18] <TJ-> brainwash: me too, now ... earlier of course panel was in a separate scope which was what started me wondering how it managed that... and if that was the reason it wasn't operating in my GUI session 
[20:19] <brainwash> one can only wonder :)
[20:20] <TJ-> The OCD in me struggles with not knowing for sure :)
[20:21] <brainwash> session management could use more improvements
[20:21] <brainwash> some things were fixed in 4.14
[20:23] <brainwash> but the user can still encounter a broken session or see leftover processes after logout
[21:41] <Unit193> Hrm, we missed https://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/commit?id=5f2aa364690ffb23428ac44f91d7401eb22191e6 it seems.