[00:00] <jeloume> ahhh
[00:00] <sarnold> DalekSec: I kline aegis on OFTC; every month the kline expires, and it takes me six hours to notice, then I re-add the kline
[00:00] <DalekSec> Haha. :D
[00:01] <jeloume> okis
[00:01] <jeloume> I did it
[00:03] <sarnold> Bashing-om: yikes, those aren't good defaults.
[00:03] <Bashing-om> jeloume: Now "you" should have access and rights to all directories and files in your home :) - Say it is so :P
[00:03] <sarnold> Bashing-om: ~/.gnupg and ~/.ssh MUST NOT be mode 775. They should be 700.
[00:03] <sarnold> Bashing-om: same with ~/.mozilla.
[00:04] <jeloume> okis I'll try to access to my account from the desktop-ubuntu again
[00:06] <jeloume> I can't access
[00:06] <jeloume> my desktop it's frozzen
[00:06] <Bashing-om> sarnold: Ouch ! Had not thought this through !
[00:08] <jeloume> mm
[00:09] <sarnold> thanks DalekSec :)
[00:09] <jeloume> https://pastebin.com/6EdNN54p
[00:10] <jeloume> these are all things I tried it
[00:10] <Bashing-om> jeloume: Looking ^ .
[00:11] <jeloume> I thought I'll take me just some hours to solve it, but I took me all day
[00:11] <jeloume> XD
[00:17] <OERIAS> Can someone help me?
[00:17] <OERIAS> My notebook goes to sleep every 20 min or so
[00:18] <OERIAS> and this is when I am typing on the notebook and all of a sudden it goes to sleep
[00:18] <sarnold> is there anything in the logs?
[00:19] <OERIAS> how would I access them on term
[00:19] <OERIAS> ?
[00:19] <Bashing-om> jeloume: Been there many times over the years :P As we have multi-desktops now installed, what are we working with ' cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager; systemctl status display-manager '?
[00:19] <sarnold> OERIAS: journalctl -e  is a good starting point
[00:21] <OERIAS> sarnold, https://textbin.net/8jTJqwQ2ZE
[00:21] <jeloume> mm
[00:21] <jeloume> https://pastebin.com/raw/fFdfFJWq
[00:22] <sarnold> man I hate systemd. why would it truncate the bloody logs :(
[00:23] <sarnold> OERIAS: can you do something like journalctl | grep "Oct 15" | nc termbin.com 9999   ? that'll dump all the logs to another pastebin, and not truncate the lines :)
[00:26] <OERIAS> sarnold, no luck
[00:28] <jeloume> If I open many terminals doing Alt+Ctl+F2,Alt+Ctl+F3,Alt+Ctl+F3.. can I know which users are using these terminals with `who -u` then use 'kill` follow by pid ?
[00:28] <jeloume> because I still trying to know how to solve this and open them many times xD
[00:33] <jeloume> I'm here again xd I close this terminal
[00:33] <sarnold> jeloume: you can use the 'w' command too
[00:34] <jeloume> wow
[00:34] <sarnold> jeloume: and loginctl offers a fancy new way to kill processes, read the loginctl manpage and try to make sense of it :) (systemd is also the most over-documented program...)
[00:34] <kamd> My computer smells like frying bacon.
[00:35] <jeloume> Great
[00:35] <jeloume> well I think I'll have to install all my apps again
[00:35] <jeloume> u.u
[00:35] <sarnold> jeloume: why?
[00:35] <jeloume> because I can't find any solution to enter on my old account
[00:35] <jeloume> :(
[00:36] <sarnold> really? I thought Bashing-om's chmod thing would have fixed you up?
[00:36] <Bashing-om> kamd: Any joy ' cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp ' ? to see the system temp.
[00:36] <jeloume> I mean I can see all files and things like that but not on desktop-ubuntu
[00:37] <jeloume> Nope =(  I did it and I tried to go at login but nothing happens
[00:37] <Bashing-om> sarnold: jeloume Except we still have to fix my mess upon the 700 permissions :(
[00:38] <jeloume> xd
[00:39] <jeloume> there's any way to configure things on a virtualmachine and later if all goes well move it on out from virtualmachine?
[00:39] <jeloume> I don't know exactly how to explain it xD
[00:40] <jeloume> Is it clear what I said ? or so so?
[00:41] <sarnold> jeloume: haha, normally people go the other direction! from a physical machine to VM ..
[00:42] <sarnold> jeloume: you could use dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections to get the list of installed packages, but the configs in /etc are a lot harder to encapsuiate the same way. home directories are usually pretty easy, you can just tar them up :)
[00:43] <jeloume> just because I don't want to loss all my job many times xd
[00:43] <kamd> Yes cpu temp is 117C baking off some dust I guess.
[00:43] <jeloume> if I see that looks fine I make a backup xd
[00:44] <Bashing-om> kamd: Shut that system down and clean it up 117C is too hot.
[00:46] <jeloume> mm if I look on a log I could be easier to know exactly where is the error?
[00:47] <jeloume> like ~/.xsession-errors ? or where I should see?
[00:50] <sarnold> possible; you said you switched to gdm3, right? check /var/log/gdm* there might be logs there too
[00:50] <jeloume> I could be because I install shell zsh?
[00:50] <jeloume> mm
[00:50] <sarnold> morning lotuspsychje
[00:51] <jeloume> mm I use gdm3 I didn't come from another
[00:51] <lotuspsychje> good morning sarnold
[01:00] <jeloume> what I should find out on google in order to fix it? repair config profile?
[01:00] <sarnold> jeloume: google cannot help you; you need to find something on the local system that tells you what's broken
[01:01] <jeloume> but I don't know how find it
[01:01] <jeloume> XD
[01:01] <jeloume> can you help me?
[01:02] <sarnold> jeloume: only in broad generalities; I don't know much about what you're doing..
[01:02] <jeloume> =(
[01:02] <sarnold> jeloume: my usual approach is to read all the logs and then look for what's broken :)
[01:03] <sarnold> jeloume: so.. you could ssh in or log in via another terminal, run journalctl -ef , then try to log in via gdm3, and pastebin the logs that were generated.. you might be able to find something there
[01:05] <jeloume> ok
[01:07] <jeloume> I think I'm gonna install all again in a new user
[01:08] <jeloume> I don't know about this
[01:08] <jeloume> u.u
[01:51] <jeloume> asd
[01:51] <jeloume> people there is any why to make sth likes this? https://github.com/gerardbm/dotfiles
[01:51] <jeloume> I mean save all these configurations and later to save it on a a file or something like that
[01:52] <jeloume> and write a command line like "load conf"  (?) there is any soft that help me to do it in the right way?
[01:53] <jeloume> I know I can build a .bash to my self  but perhaps there's something else
[01:57] <sarnold> jeloume: apt search dotfile shows at least three choices; there's probably more to choose from
[02:00] <jeloume> mm
[02:15] <k_sze> Erm... I just ran `sudo apt update` and something *very* wrong is happening: https://bpaste.net/show/p7Dm
[02:16] <sarnold> check dmesg
[02:16] <sarnold> that looks like dying hard drives
[02:18] <Bashing-om> k_sze: ^^ "(30: Read-only file system)" there is a reason for that -  corrupted file system OR dying hard drive ?
[02:20] <k_sze> https://bpaste.net/show/6KKk
[02:21] <sarnold> very unhappy drive
[02:21] <k_sze> crap
[02:21] <k_sze> should I check s.m.a.r.t status?
[02:22] <sarnold> I suggest copying off whatever you CANNOT stand to lose, reboot, then do a full backup if it's been a while, then replace the drive or the whole computer, depending upon the way things look after a reboot
[02:22] <k_sze> Thankfully, it's a new computer assigned by my employer.
[02:22] <sarnold> (do NOT overwrite any backup media in the process, it could be that the drive has garbage on it now..)
[02:22] <sarnold> oh nice
[02:23] <sarnold> well, not *nice* nice but .. hopefully that means you've got good hygeine in place already :)
[02:23] <k_sze> So I really don't have much on there that needs saving.
[02:24] <sarnold> k_sze: and yeah, smartctl output may be nice, but I never quite know what to do with those results..
[02:24] <k_sze> bah, smartctl not installed yet.
[02:24] <k_sze> I get I have to do it from the BIOS or a live USB.
[02:24] <k_sze> brb
[02:24] <k_sze> (hopefully)
[02:24] <sarnold> heh
[02:58] <jenenliu> hi guys, do you know how to fix if syslog is delayed ?
[02:59] <jenenliu> I find my syslog message is delayed for about 10 min, I try to google but can't find anything valueable, can someone help ? thanks in advace.
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> jenenliu: use the journal logs instead: journalctl -f
[04:29] <leon11> helllo all, does anyone know of a way to activate two wifi adapters at the same time connecting to 1 ssid (ap)
[04:32] <CarlFK> leon11: sounds like it should just work.
[04:32] <leon11> except gnome network manage auto disconnects the second connection
[04:33] <leon11> and only allows one wifi adapter to connect to an ap at a time if the aps are diffrent both addaptes can be active
[04:33] <leon11> was hoping for a work around
[04:36] <amazoniantoad> I'm trying to call pkexec but I get an error, "Error creating textual authentication agent:" has anyone else experienced this issue?
[04:57] <Frommhold> just to make sure: If i do "sudo do-release-upgrade -d", it only upgrades to the development version of 19.10 (which is as good as final now i guess), but does not upgrade any further to another development/alpha release after that, without me telling it to do, right? (aka no upgrading to 20.04 alpha etc)
[05:01] <Bashing-om> Frommhold: As there is no other in development (d) - Yup :)
[05:01] <Frommhold> Bashing-om, thats what i thought, but better safe than sorry. Thanks :)
[05:02] <Bashing-om> Frommhold: Uh Huh - safty is no accident :P
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> !final | Frommhold see also
[06:08] <jenenliu>  /part
[06:29] <Jake123> Are those who are already on 19.10 likely to see many updates, upon official release, or do we pretty much have the latest?
[06:54] <kamd> What's that behind you?
[07:10] <osse> A three-headed monkey
[07:11] <SrPx> I can stream the screen of my Windows to my Macbook with GPU acceleration using Parsec, Moonlight, StreamVR and similar, and the result is awesome. Is there any software that allows me to stream the screen of my Ubuntu to my Macbook?
[07:16] <tomreyn> SrPx: i don't know any of these software so i may not understand what exactly you're trying to do. you could just run vlc -> stream -> capture device -> desktop to create a video stream which can be accessed over the (local, unless made accessible from elsewhere) network
[07:19] <tomreyn> https://gist.github.com/Brainiarc7/4636a162ef7dc2e8c9c4c1d4ae887c0e has an ffmpeg approach
[07:25] <SrPx> tomreyn: the problem of VLC is that it is lightyears slower than parsec, moonlight and similar. those look like literally you're accessing the computer directly at 30 FPS. VLC is completely laggy in comparison, you can't play a game through VLC
[07:25] <SrPx> it is fine though
[07:26] <SrPx> thanks for the resources!
[07:27] <c|oneman> SrPx: you can try Nomachine or thinlinc
[07:27] <tomreyn> you'll probably want something which makes good use of hardware acceleration, so something your CPUs support on both sides, or at leats on the encoding end.
[07:27] <c|oneman> Linux isn't great at remote desktop in 60fps
[07:28] <tomreyn> i think it is. is this about having a remotely conrollable desktop then?
[07:31] <SrPx> yea, I have a gaming machine and I just want to control it completely from my mac. the question is whether I use Windows or Ubuntu as the main host. I hate Windows but I didn't figure out how to stream Ubuntu to my Mac, software like Parsec, NVidia's Moonlight, Stream Link all were made for Windows it seems
[07:31] <SrPx> so I guess I'll just keep with Windows as the main host and have an ubuntu VM when I need to do linux stuff ):
[07:34] <HighTech_86> SrPx: dual boot. best of both worlds
[08:06] <SrPx> I deleted the Ubuntu partition and added its size to the windows one, but for some reason the HD space reported by windows still didn't increase. Why?
[08:09] <OerHeks> SrPx, ask in ##windows, thanks
[08:11] <SrPx> but this is an Ubuntu issue since I'm using Ubuntu's installer. I just need to reclaim the size so I can install Ubuntu as a VM rather than dual boot.
[08:11] <SrPx> in any case I already figured a solution
[08:11] <SrPx> thanks
[08:15] <OerHeks> still believe it is a windows issue, good luck!
[08:20] <fling> how do I list mesa/llvm versions per distro version?
[08:20] <fling> for example I want to know what mesa and llvm versions are used in disco and eoan
[08:28] <tomreyn> fling: https://packages.ubuntu.com or rmadison
[08:28] <tomreyn> !find rmadison
[08:29] <tomreyn> rmadison is in package devscripts
[08:29] <fling> thanks
[08:30] <tomreyn> i think debian also has an online version
[08:30] <tomreyn> s/online/web/
[08:34] <tomreyn> fling: https://qa.debian.org/madison.php?package=mesa&table=all
[08:36] <fling> thanks
[09:40] <barnex> Can anybody tell my xdg-open needs to look through my entire disk?
[09:40] <barnex> lstat("Games//RetroPie-Setup//tmp//build//lr-mame2003//src//machine//sega_machine.o/", 0x7fffa78e0120) = -1 ENOTDIR (Not a directory)
[09:41] <barnex> this doesn't seem relevant to xdg-opening?
[09:42] <barnex> and that file surely isn't there:
[09:42] <barnex> faccessat(AT_FDCWD, "Music//// The Final Boss - James Harmon - [Ambient - Breakbeat - Lo-Fi -Electronica] [2011]//chromium/browser.desktop", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[09:52] <isomari> greetings, I have a laptop with screen resolution of 3840x2160. How can I change the settings so that I literally don't need a magnifying glass to use the screen.
[09:54] <k_sze> So I was forced to do e2fsck at boot time, which fixed a lot of things.
[09:55] <k_sze> fortunately, `debsums -c` says that none of the installed packages are corrupted.
[10:00] <tomreyn> barnex: if xdg-open appears to behave incorrectly, i suggest you file a bug (after reviewing the bugs which have already been filed against it).
[10:00] <tomreyn> !bug | barnex
[10:02] <tomreyn> isomari: you're looking for fractional scaling. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029436/enable-fractional-scaling-for-ubuntu-18-04
[10:02] <isomari> thanks
[10:03] <tomreyn> k_sze: were you looknig for help with something?
[10:08] <isomari> actually, I need scaling for sddm. It's beyond tiny.
[10:10] <tomreyn> maybe try asking in #kubuntu or a kde specific channel, or just search the web for "fractional scaling" "sddm"
[10:10] <isomari> ok, thanks
[10:10] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[10:16] <barnex> tomreyn: doesn't ubuntu bug rely on xdg-open? :P
[10:16] <barnex> tomreyn: it just got the system data and seems to be frozen rn
[10:17] <barnex> but yeah, I guess there's nothing but report. My only worry is it's probably very specific and only possible with my mime, installed apps and dir structure
[10:38] <barnex> hm, ok, so re: reporting. if I somehow manage to upload the crash to whoopsie, do I still get to fill a bug?
[10:38] <tomreyn> barnex: which crash?
[10:39] <barnex> well, the freeze and infinite loop eventually ends up in Aborted (core dumped)
[10:39] <barnex> so I get a .crash file from the xdg-open problem
[10:39] <PCatinean> Hey guys, for some reason I cannot install pulseaudio-equalizer anymore, it seems to be crashing in ubuntu 18.04
[10:39] <barnex> But I think it's more useful for me to be able to answer questions about my fs than the crashfile might be
[10:40] <tomreyn> barnex: you did not mention freeze nor infinite loop so far.
[10:40] <PCatinean> How can I debug what's going on?
[10:41] <mgedmin> barnex: IIRC you can run ubuntu-bug /var/crash/filename.crash if you want to report it
[10:41] <tomreyn> barnex: when processes fail and are forcefully closed as a result, whoopsie will prepare a report and apport will (a bit lateR) prompt you to report it
[10:41] <evng> Hello, is there an iso file somewhere to download 19.10 even if it's not the official released version? and if it does exists, would it be possible to use it now and then update to official when it releases ?
[10:42] <barnex> tomreyn: sorry, my bad, yeah. The reason I'm looking at straces of xdg-open is because it doesn't work. Seems to get into an infinite loop of adding more forward slashes to a path and eventually crashes.
[10:43] <mgedmin> barnex: is it xdg-open itself, or a subprocess?  xdg-open is a shell script, you could run sh -x /usr/bin/xdg-open $args ... and see what it's doing
[10:44] <tomreyn> PCatinean: see what i just told barnex above
[10:44] <mgedmin> barnex: apparently you can also export XDG_UTILS_DEBUG_LEVEL=1 and get xdg-open to produce additional debug output
[10:44] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | evng
[10:45] <barnex> mgedmin: seems to be xdg-open itself - some few final lines from -x before i killed it: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BWtCcSwfsM/
[10:45] <barnex> mgedmin: it goes through a lot of my hard drive and I'd rather not publish a full listing, but enjoys the music dir most.
[10:46] <mgedmin> barnex: barnex file a bug!  also, a pastebin of ls -l ~/Music/ might be helpful
[10:46] <mgedmin> I suspect there might be an invisible control character between each pair of those slashes in Music/////
[10:47] <mgedmin> because I can't think why globbing $dir/*/ might result in $dir//
[10:47] <barnex> mgedmin: can I /msg you the pastebin of ls -l?
[10:47] <mgedmin> sure
[10:48] <tomreyn> barnex: you also said "My only worry is it's probably very specific and only possible with my mime, installed apps and dir structure" - does this mean you have modified mime.magic?
[10:49] <mgedmin> barnex: hm, no symlinks in there, and no weird unicode characters that I hoped ls would display escaped as "\xXX\xYY" :/
[10:49] <PCatinean> tomreyn, I did send it
[10:49] <mgedmin> barnex: surely it's not spaces in directory names!
[10:49] <barnex> tomreyn: not in my recent memory and this behaviour is recent, but I expect there might be something weird, it's an old install
[10:49] <barnex> also I haven't touched the ~/Music directory recently
[10:50] <barnex> can say that with high confidence, I just use spotify.
[10:50] <tomreyn> PCatinean: this should bring up your list of latest reports: x-www-browser https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$(sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id)
[10:51] <mgedmin> you have one subdirectory that begins with a space, which is suspicious
[10:52] <tomreyn> PCatinean: you can also look in /var/crash where you can find the actual report
[10:52] <barnex> mgedmin: ...
[10:52] <barnex> mgedmin: it seems to be it
[10:53] <mgedmin> wait I'm playing here with bash where I should be playing with dash!
[10:53] <mgedmin> anyway, 100% a bug in xdg-open, please report
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> barnex: do you know howto file a bug?
[10:58] <mgedmin> still, why Music?  do you have $XDG_DATA_HOME or $XDG_DATA_DIRS set to a non-standard location?
[10:58] <barnex> I don't think it's actually space btw
[10:58] <barnex> or hmm
[10:59] <barnex> ./２８１４ - 新しい日の誕生 2e2fefbc92efbc98efbc91efbc94202d20e696b0e38197e38184e697a5e3
[10:59] <barnex> that's the result of this magic command: https://askubuntu.com/questions/781601/getting-file-name-in-hex-or-base64
[10:59] <mgedmin> no, if you look at your first pastebin
[10:59] <mgedmin> it's looping due to '/ The Final Boss - James Harmon - [Ambient - Breakbeat - Lo-Fi -Electronica] [2011]/'
[11:00] <mgedmin> the `for d in $dir/*/`; loop in search_desktop_file splits on space because $dir wasn't quoted
[11:00] <barnex> mgedmin: yeah but I moved the 2 8 1 4 album temporarily to /tmp and it started working
[11:00] <barnex> it = xdg-open
[11:00] <mgedmin> huh
[11:01] <barnex> although no, I put it back and it's still working.
[11:01] <barnex> It'd do that before and work some of the time, I just wasn't able to find the pattern and it was not working most of the time
[11:03] <barnex> Yeah, I did *something* that made it broken again, but it wasn't just moving the 2 8 1 4 album back to ~/Music
[11:04] <barnex> I also closed the browser and the final thing I did was exit bash to fish (unsetting the XDG_UTILS_DEBUG_LEVEL I think)
[11:05] <mgedmin> barnex: what does env|grep XDG_DATA print?
[11:05] <barnex> mgedmin: /home/barnex/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share:/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share/:/usr/share/i3:/home/barnex/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share:/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share:/var/lib/snapd/desktop:/var/lib/snapd/desktop
[11:05] <barnex> but now I went back to bash, exproted XDG_UTILS_DEBUG_LEVEL=1 and it's back to looping
[11:05] <barnex> this is highly confusing.
[11:05] <mgedmin> and none of those directories is a parent to ~/Music/
[11:05] <mgedmin> Music is in your ~, right?
[11:06] <barnex> Yes
[11:06] <mgedmin> what ubuntu version are you on?
[11:06] <mgedmin> I'm on 19.04 and /usr/bin/xdg-open calls search_desktop_file from one place only
[11:07] <barnex> mgedmin: /home/barnex/ is parent, yeah
[11:07] <mgedmin> open_generic_xdg_mime, which looks for $XDG_DATA_HOME and $XDG_DATA_DIRS
[11:07] <mgedmin> it shouldn't be recursing into your home directory!
[11:07] <barnex> that'd explain the browsing of the entire disk I suppose
[11:07] <mgedmin> other than ~/.local/share/ etc
[11:07] <julius_> hi
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> welcome julius_
[11:07] <mgedmin> unless there's a symlink in ~/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share/ that points back to ~ or ~/Music?
[11:08] <julius_> why does do-release-upgrade tell me that there are no newer versions available on a ubuntu 16.04 system=
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | julius_
[11:08] <barnex> Yeah, I misread the path. Will find -name 'Music' check recursively and look for symlinks?
[11:08] <mgedmin> barnex: if you'd pastebin the DEBUG_LEVEL output, or the sh -x xdg-open output, but the beginning of it this time (until the first few calls into search_desktop_file)
[11:08] <mgedmin> barnex: I believe find doesn't recurse inside symlinks
[11:08] <julius_> lotuspsychje is update-manager a gui application?  i only got remote access via ssh
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> julius_: are you on ubuntu server?
[11:09] <julius_> not sure, i just was presented with this system thats running inside some virtual env
[11:09] <julius_> not sure how to find out either
[11:10] <mgedmin> julius_: does it have network connectivity?  e.g. does sudo apt update work?
[11:10] <julius_> yes
[11:10] <mgedmin> do-release-upgrade checks for available versions at some URL on releases.ubuntu.com, IIRC?
[11:10] <mgedmin> hmm
[11:10] <barnex> mgedmin: Just having the XDG_UTILS_DEBUG_LEVEL=` doesn't seem to produce any output
[11:11] <barnex> (=1)
[11:11] <mgedmin> barnex: did you export it?
[11:11] <julius_> mgedmin i can wget that adress and get the index.html file
[11:12] <barnex> mgedmin: with export XDG_UTILS_DEBUG_LEVEL=1
[11:12] <mgedmin> barnex: yeah, you're right, I can't get any output either, until I increase it to XDG_UTILS_DEBUG_LEVEL=2
[11:13] <mgedmin> I must've misread the conditional in the script
[11:13] <mgedmin> although both 2 and 9999 produce only one line of debug output for me: "Selected DE gnome3"
[11:13] <mgedmin> julius_: I don't remember the exact URL
[11:14] <mgedmin> julius_: possibly https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts ?
[11:15] <mgedmin> julius_: oh, it's in /etc/update-manager/meta-release
[11:15] <mgedmin> julius_: also, can you tell us what 'prompt=' is set to in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ?
[11:16] <mgedmin> I think 'never' would lead to the situation you describe, do-release-upgrade refusing to upgrade
[11:16] <mgedmin> set it to Prompt=normal or Prompt=lts
[11:16] <julius_> Prompt=lts     <- thats what it says
[11:17] <mgedmin> that should work
[11:17] <mgedmin> maybe try asking in #ubuntu-server?  I'm out of ideas
[11:17] <mgedmin> ah, also did you run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to make sure update-manager is at the latest version?
[11:18] <julius_> mgedmin right, the system is not allowed access to: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts
[11:18] <mgedmin> bingo!
[11:18] <julius_> i have those closed off fucktards
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> julius_: was your current 16.04 up to date also?
[11:18] <julius_> didnt know about /etc/update-manager     good to know
[11:18] <julius_> yes its uptodate
[11:19] <mgedmin> huh, on 18.04 the meta-release file has an HTTPS URL instead of HTTP
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> i recall there were bug on update-manager, it needed an update to make work at that time
[11:19] <mgedmin> aaand on my 16.04 system it's also HTTPS
[11:20] <mgedmin> julius_: how come you see an HTTP url?
[11:21] <wildermind> Hi I am using Ubuntu 18 and would like to write a small settings app with an icon available next to the toolbar on top, where the Wifi, Bluethooth, Language icons are
[11:21] <barnex> mgedmin: the first thousands of lines don't even get to ~/Music, so I doubt that's what you're looking for (but if it is I'll paste that). But I'm afraid this is relevant: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/29tPsKgsj8/ - epic games store is a recent install and it kind of makes sense
[11:21] <wildermind> I am not even sure how its called (Activities Bar?), where can I find some guide on how to do that? i.e write an app that will be displayed with an icon and options next to those apps mentioned above
[11:22] <mgedmin> barnex: that's already too late, it should never get to Games
[11:22] <barnex> mgedmin: the 'My Music' dir is empty, but it does have a space before Music
[11:22] <barnex> oh
[11:22] <barnex> mgedmin: right, you're correct.
[11:22] <mgedmin> barnex: but at least it indicates that it's not Music specifically that's the problem, it's mistakenly searching the entire home directory
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> wildermind: thats the indicators area
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> wildermind: when you say write, do you mean you would like to help contribute to ubuntu?
[11:23] <mgedmin> barnex: I now suspect any space in a directory name anywhere in $XDG_DATA_DIRS might lead to this ...
[11:23] <wildermind> lotuspsychje:thanks a lot!! and nope, just some app for myself
[11:24] <wildermind> seems like https://askubuntu.com/questions/750815/fuzzy-clock-for-ubuntu/752675#752675 a good example to start right?
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> afternoon MonkeyDust
[11:25] <MonkeyDust> hi lotuspsychje
[11:25] <MonkeyDust> all's well?
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> yes thank you
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> wildermind: something like this perhaps: https://www.faqforge.com/linux/create-indicator-ubuntu-run-custom-commands/
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> wildermind: there might be also gnome extensions out there, to make ones life more easy too https://extensions.gnome.org/
[11:30] <barnex> mgedmin: first thousand lines on /msg. I think 738 is relevant - around there it switches from searching .local/share/applications to Games
[11:32] <mgedmin> barnex: we can see /home/barnex/.local/share/applications//wine/ has a bunch of directories with spaces in them
[11:32] <wildermind> lotuspsychje: perfect, thanks!
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> welcome wildermind
[11:33] <mgedmin> barnex: one of those directories is 'Zone.com Deluxe Games', which is why xdg-open ends up recursively crawling ~/Games/
[11:34] <mgedmin> barnex: so it's not looking the entire ~, just any subdirectory in it that appears in a space-separated substring in some directory name under ~/.local/share/applications
[11:34] <barnex> :D
[11:34] <barnex> and it gets to Games that way, and there it finds Music.
[11:34] <mgedmin> you probably also have some program called 'Something Something Music'
[11:35] <barnex> Music is in ~/Games, cause it's another windows directory structure from Lutris with "My Music"
[11:35] <mgedmin> and then in Music the directory name starting with a space makes it loop forever in place
[11:35] <mgedmin> heh, awesome bug, please report it
[11:35] <bobdog> when canonical release the IPO's for stock market?
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> bobdog: for canonical questions, contact canonical
[11:36] <mgedmin> barnex: ubuntu-bug /usr/bin/xdg-open
[11:36] <mgedmin> barnex: if you want, you can also open an upstream bug report at https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdg-utils/issues
[11:36] <barnex> mgedmin: ubuntu-bug requires working xdg-open, but I'll manage with launchpad I think :-)
[11:36] <barnex> mgedmin: thanks a lot, I would never find this without your help
[11:37] <mgedmin> barnex: it should print the URL to the terminal, you can copy it and paste it into your browser
[11:37] <mgedmin> don't let ubuntu-bug itself attempt to launch a browser
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> !canonical | bobdog
[11:37] <mgedmin> barnex: oh hey look here: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdg-utils/issues/141
[11:38] <barnex> Oh man
[11:38] <mgedmin> bug known for a year, but nobody worked on a fix yet
[11:39] <mgedmin> closed as duplicate of https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdg-utils/issues/131, which is a bit more generic (xdg-open is apparently not the only xdg-utils program that suffers from the bug)
[11:39] <mgedmin> if you file an ubuntu bug, you may want to mention the upstream bug URL
[11:40] <mgedmin> I've looked at ubuntu bugs (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-utils) and I don't see one already filed for this issue
[11:43] <barnex> yeah I've looked through ubuntu bugs before complaining here
[11:43] <barnex> and haven't found it either
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:59] <barnex> mgedmin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-utils/+bug/1848335 do you think that'll do?
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> thank you for taking your time to report the bug barnex
[12:00] <mgedmin> barnex: yeah, looks good to me; maybe also mention your desktop environment?  from your $XDG_DATA_DIRS and the set -x logs I got the impression you're using i3, which xdg-open detects as "desktop environment: other"
[12:00] <mgedmin> this might (or might not) be relevant
[12:00] <barnex> lotuspsychje: My pleasure, wouldn't be possible with the help I've gotten through IRC. Thank you.
[12:00] <barnex> mgedmin: right
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: it mentions in his description: CurrentDesktop: i3
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: you might wanna look at that too ^
[13:08] <Jonopoly> How easy is it to install Linux
[13:08] <Jonopoly> on the chromebook (free with pixel 4)
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> Jonopoly: to test ubuntu on a system, you can try a liveusb first, see how it goes
[13:10] <Jonopoly> i see
[13:12] <OerHeks> chromebook ? i would not try that, certainly not Pixel 4, it is just released
[13:12] <Jonopoly> noo
[13:13] <Jonopoly> with the phone you get a free chromebook
[13:13] <OerHeks> sure, good luck with that
[13:13] <Jonopoly> (pre-order bonus sorta thing)
[13:14] <barnex> I think what Jonopoly is trying to say is that the phone might be just released, but the chromebook he is getting for free might be already established? Dunno, I know little about chromebooks.
[13:15] <OerHeks> bing on that chromebook to see all issues, or askjeeves
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> there used to be a time when you needed crouton to install ubuntu on chromebooks, but it might gotten easier now, but as OerHeks says, when they new, still might give issues
[13:15] <Jonopoly> yeah saw some stuff about crouton
[13:16] <Jonopoly> i think it's quite old laptop/chromebook
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> Jonopoly: then you might still need the crouton way
[13:17] <Jonopoly> oh crumbs :(
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> Jonopoly: might be interesting: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/08/chrome-os-69-linux-for-chromebooks
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> Jonopoly: but we reccomend ubuntu here of course
[13:21] <Jonopoly> yeah thnk you
[13:41] <OnkelTem> Hi all
[13:42] <OnkelTem> I cannot open files from SNAP apps. Any ideas why?
[13:42] <OnkelTem> For example neither 'ffmpeg' nor 'vlc' from snap work
[13:42] <OnkelTem> When I pass them a file they cannot find it
[13:43] <AlexPortable> Is there any way I can get multitouch to work?
[13:44] <akemhp_> OnkelTem, Can you try a file from your home directory into VLC and see if it works?
[13:44] <OnkelTem> E.g.: /snap/bin/vlc music.mp3 -- would issue: cannot open 'file:///var/lib/snapd/void/music.mp3'
[13:45] <OnkelTem> akemhp_: well, the file is not on some mounted filesystem, it's exactly on rootfs
[13:45] <akemhp_> I remember i could not play files from /mnt or smb path with the snap version of VLC, some paths were just not accessible with it...
[13:46] <OnkelTem> akemhp_: lol, it opens files from home. But not from root
[13:46] <OnkelTem> wtf
[13:47] <akemhp_> OnkelTem, Yeah it's the same issue, due to some weird snap limitation/configuration.
[13:47] <OerHeks> that is by design
[13:47] <akemhp_> I don't like snaps very much :P I don't know what you can do, i use the .deb instead and i have no pblm.
[13:48] <akemhp_> OerHeks, Bad design then, because there is no such problem with the deb version.
[13:48] <OerHeks> a quick workaround just add a bind mount from /whatever to /home/$USER
[13:49] <akemhp_> :X
[13:49] <OerHeks> even hidden folders are a problem, if you are not aware
[13:49] <pragmaticenigma> Shouldn't giving the full path to the file in the home directory work through?
[13:50] <OnkelTem> OerHeks: there should be some configuration then I suppose. Like snap-config
[13:50] <OerHeks> maybe installing that snap vlc --devmode  sets you free..
[13:50] <OnkelTem> which asks: do you want to open other files? DAMN YEAH!
[13:51] <OerHeks> OnkelTem, i looked for a hidden setting, i find none
[13:51] <OnkelTem> Hehe
[13:51] <OnkelTem> akemhp_: actually snaps are very good. because they're self-contained
[13:51] <OnkelTem> I like so much the idea of dockerization. And the docker itself
[13:52] <OnkelTem> oops.. I meant containerization :)
[13:52] <BluesKaj> why?
[13:52] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem: Please keep the conversation to a minimum. Let's focus on the support related issues here, and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other stuff
[13:55] <OnkelTem> pragmaticenigma: sure
[13:56] <AlexPortable> Is there any way I can get multitouch to work on my laptop? Currently running 19.10
[13:57] <OerHeks> AlexPortable, 1 day too soon, join #ubuntu+1
[13:58] <AlexPortable> okay then i'll ask the same but then for my other laptop which runs 19.04
[13:58] <AlexPortable> same issue
[14:04] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: Is your device listed here as being supported? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/HardwareSupport
[14:04] <AlexPortable> how do i see which touchpad i have?
[14:06] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: Perhaps start with telling us what you do know... what kind of computer, or input device you are using?
[14:07] <AlexPortable> HP 450 laptop
[14:12] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: Can you better explain what you are trying accomplish through multitouch. If the computer supports it, it's typically automatically enabled. And you can change the settings through the mouse applet in the control panel.
[14:13] <AlexPortable> i want to be able to go back in websites with 3 fingers, switch windows with 4 fingers
[14:14] <AlexPortable> all i can get is scrolling with 2 fingers
[14:14] <mgedmin> TIL 4-finger swipes switch workspaces on ubuntu 19.04
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: Ubuntu doesn't have gesture support. There are 3rd party solutions out there, but they are outside the scope of this channel as the volunteers support software available in the official ubuntu releases and package repositories.
[14:16] <pragmaticenigma> If there are no options in the Mouse control panel, the option is not available
[14:19] <AlexPortable> mgedmin: how did you get that to work?
[14:19] <mgedmin> it works out of the box; apparently it's a gnome-shell feature?
[14:20] <AlexPortable> gnome-shell as in the default that comes with 19.04 ?
[14:20] <mgedmin> yes
[14:20] <AlexPortable> weird that i dont have it then
[14:22] <AlexPortable> pragmaticenigma: any information about why mgedmin has gesture support then? if it's not in ubuntu
[14:23] <BluesKaj> !multitouch
[14:24] <BluesKaj> !info multitouch
[14:25] <BluesKaj> odd it shows up in the package manager as an x in  driver
[14:25] <BluesKaj> x input
[14:25] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: The key there was the "gnome-shell" which is the desktop. They didn't mention anything about it working in their web browser or other applications.
[14:25] <mgedmin> the full name of the package is xserver-xorg-input-multitouch but I think it's a red herring
[14:26] <AlexPortable> well it doesn't work in gnome-shell either
[14:26] <mgedmin> libinput is the input driver used by default both in Xorg and in Wayland, and it supports multitouch
[14:26] <mgedmin> assuming the hardware supports it
[14:26] <mgedmin> I'm not sure how to check whether the hardware supports it
[14:26] <AlexPortable> it should since it works on windows as far as i know
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: Windows and Linux/Ubuntu handle mouse pointers very differently
[14:27] <AlexPortable> I was refering to 'assuming the hardware supports it'
[14:27] <mgedmin> sudo libinput list-devices show me that I have an Elan Touchpad with 'Capabilities:     pointer gesture'
[14:28] <mgedmin> (this is a Lenovo ThinkPad X390)
[14:28] <AlexPortable> libinput command not found
[14:28] <mgedmin> !info libinput-tools
[14:28] <mgedmin> ah, sudo doesn't trigger bash's command-not-found suggestions
[14:30] <AlexPortable> SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad, capabilities: pointer
[14:30] <mgedmin> looks like it doesn't support gestures
[14:32] <AlexPortable> weird
[15:14] <isomari> greetins, is there a way to exlude an app from scaling?
[15:16] <OerHeks> isomari, no, i think there is no exception, all or none
[15:17] <isomari> thanks
[15:17] <mgedmin> isomari: it depends?  eg. for GTK apps I think you can override the scaling factor by setting an environment variable before launching the app
[15:17] <isomari> mgedmin: ok, I'll check on that.
[15:41] <raidghost> Why is the screen Colors on HP probook with Latest ubuntu. Out of the blue just starting to invert colors? Is it driver issues/crappy graphical card ?
[15:45] <OerHeks> raidghost, what 'latest' ubuntu? anyway, in systemsettings>devices>colour, is there a profile loaded?
[15:46] <pragmaticenigma> raidghost: Also check that the display accessibility features didn't accidentally get enabled ( I think there might be a hot key combo)
[15:47] <ghavil> Hi folks, anyone know where the '18.04-LTS' and '18.04-DAILY-LTS' Microsoft Azure image SKU's are published from? Trying to understand the differences between them
[15:47] <elias_a> Anyone using Thunderbird on 18.04? Does the archive function work like described here? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/archived-messages
[15:48] <elias_a> I cannot get the archive function to create folders. Everything goes to one folder.
[15:49] <raidghost> Running Ubuntu 19.04
[15:49] <OerHeks> ghavil, the difference between milestones 18.04.3 http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/ and the really uptodate isos http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/current/
[15:49] <ghavil> Ah! Nice, thank's for the info OerHeks
[15:49] <OerHeks> if you deploy multi vms on a day, you would start with no-updates-iso
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> elias_a: Folder creation for the year works on my machine. Do note that the feature doesn't work well with IMAP accounts
[15:51] <elias_a> pragmaticenigma: Oh - I did not know it does not work with IMAP. That is definately the reason. Any documentation on this issue around?
[15:52] <ghavil> OerHeks: Would it be expected that the `18.04-DAILY-LTS` would have SKU's published every day? Seems like the latest version is '18.04.201909180'
[15:52] <elias_a> pragmaticenigma: I'd be satisfied with an explanation why it does not work. :P
[15:54] <OerHeks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/ there are some days missing indeed
[15:55] <OerHeks> no clue why ..
[16:03] <ghavil> Fun fun
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> elias_a: That would be a provider issue, not a thunderbird issue. If you're looking at gmail, gmail uses a custom imap tool since google doesn't actually use traditional folder structure
[16:08] <elias_a> pragmaticenigma: No, I am not talking about gmail. I do not support surveillance capitalism. :)
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: perhaps report to the #ubuntu-mirror guys?
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu-mirrors
[16:11] <OerHeks> maybe there is a holliday in between? no office hours
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> could be
[16:13] <pragmaticenigma> elias_a: it depends more on the provider of the service, if the "folder" already exists on IMAP server Thunderbird may interpret that as a system folder and won't modify it. Another part is the IMAP service provider may not support subfolders
[16:15] <elias_a> pragmaticenigma: Ok. Thanks. I'll check that out.
[16:15] <tommy``> i would like to learn how to add process and script at ubuntu bootup, what i have to read for start?
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> !cron | tommy``
[16:16] <tommy``> ok thanks
[16:17] <akemhp_> Maybe you're also looking for /etc/rc.local @ tommy`` .
[16:17] <tommy``> good
[16:19] <rypervenche> tommy``: What kind of process(es) are you looking to add, out of curiosity?
[16:20] <tomreyn> elias_a: look also for "AutoArchive Reloaded" by "Brummolix", a Thunderbird extension which builds on top of the integrated functionality.
[16:22] <tommy``> rypervenche: just do some test, nothing particular by now
[16:23] <rypervenche> tommy``: I might recommend writing a systemd unit file instead of throwing something into rc.local.
[16:23] <rypervenche> Depending on what you're trying to do.
[16:23] <elias_a> tomreyn: TY. My service provider does not seem to support creating subfolders under Archive. Luckily enough the provider is a geek club so changes may occur... :)
[16:25] <tomreyn> elias_a: You could locally archive them instead (in "Local Folders").
[16:28] <molt> hey everyone. I'm running ubuntu 18.04. Wondering if there is a way to make the unity launcher only display my favorites icons. I don't want it to show icons for the currently running programs. So basically I want it to act like a dock.
[16:32] <elias_a> tomreyn: Yes I could but it is not as convenient as archiving on mail server.
[16:32] <pragmaticenigma> molt: There is not. Not really sure why you would want to do that anyways. That would prevent anyone here from helping you when you are asked to open an application that you have no hidden the icon for.
[16:40] <admin0> hi all .. i have multiple dhcp and a pptp vpn on my ubuntu .. /etc/resolv.conf points to 127.0.0.53 .. is there a  way (/proc ? ) where i can see what DNS servers i am getting ?
[16:47] <rfm> admin0, try "systemd-resolve --status"
[16:57] <admin0> rfm, thanks ..  i see it .. is it possible to tell ubuntu .. if domain is say example.com , use aa.bb.cc.dd as resolver ?
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> admin0: There isn't a way to do that... you would need DNS to know what example.com is in the first place, you would have a chicken/egg problem
[17:01] <admin0> pragmaticenigma,   in dnasmasq there is something like  server=/local.lan/10.0.0.1 - and whenever i query anything.local.lan, it tries to query 10.0.0.1 and give me back the result
[17:01] <admin0> does ubutnu 18 also uses dnasmasq by default
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> I know previously dnsmasq was installed and configured to provide cached DNS results for Ubuntu
[17:03] <rfm> admin0, 16.04 and 18.10 (there is no "ubuntu 18") use systemd-resolved as local dns forwarder/cacher
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> I'm not sure if that is still true for 18.04
[17:03] <admin0> in that case, is there a way in systemd-resoled to get the same functionality
[17:11] <rfm> admin0, not that I know of.  dnsmasq is still in the repos, I guess it would be possible to install dnsmasq and disable systemd-resolved (if you google around you'll find people who claim to have gotten it to work, I cannot vouch for any of them)
[17:14] <admin0> how to tell systemd-resolve to listen to 0.0.0.0 as opposed to 127.0.0.1 ?
[17:17] <lordcirth> admin0, what exactly do you want to be able to do? I don't think I understand.
[17:17] <admin0> one of my desktop does a vpn and gets *.corp.com  resolvers via the vpn .. i want my laptop to be able to lookup *.corp.com  internal domains
[17:21] <cpare> Ubuntu 19.04 Desktop - Frequent crashing Firefox and Chrome  Web Browsers - I think it's related to my NVIDIA Driver (418.56) - can someone help me confirm and offer an alernative?
[17:21] <OerHeks> admin0, interesting question, i find this answer .. https://askubuntu.com/a/1076469
[17:22] <OerHeks> more than one answer ..
[17:32] <tomreyn> cpare: if you like, post your system log, maybe there's something generally not quite right:  journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999      i won't be able to able to help with nvidia drivers, though.
[18:10] <elias_a> Does this affect Ubuntu? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/14/linux_sudo_security_bug/
[18:10] <sarnold> elias_a: https://usn.ubuntu.com/4154-1/
[18:11] <elias_a> sarnold: Thanks!
[18:11] <sarnold> elias_a: you're welcome :)
[18:13] <OerHeks> it was a bug, not many are affected.
[18:24] <elias_a> OerHeks: All were affected, right?
[18:29] <lordcirth> elias_a, the vulnerabilty can only occur with a specific and unusual /etc/sudoers config
[18:29] <lordcirth> Namely, allowing a user to sudo to "all users except root"
[18:29] <lordcirth> (or all but a blacklist, which includes root)
[18:31] <tomreyn> quoting the USN: "When sudo is configured to allow a user to run commands as an arbitrary user via the ALL keyword in a Runas specification". sudo grep -ri runas /etc/sudoers*
[18:34] <lordcirth> The runas specifier doesn't always have the string 'runas' in it: https://www.sudo.ws/alerts/minus_1_uid.html
[18:36] <Kokpit> Hello I installed Ubuntu 19 and when I checked I figured out that firewalld and selinux is not installed. this is so wired, why its happend? any help?
[18:36] <tomreyn> good point, thanks lordcirth
[18:36] <OerHeks> !sellinux
[18:36] <lordcirth> Kokpit, firewalld is default on most RPM-based distros, Ubuntu comes with UFW
[18:36] <OerHeks> !selinux
[18:43] <elias_a> lordcirth: Oh, right - I misunderstood that part. Thanks for clarifying that.
[19:14] <EriC^> exit
[19:15]  * sarnold hands EriC^ some ///////
[19:15] <EriC^> :D
[19:16] <sarnold> the problem with / is that you have to have some in order to make more... once you've got a few of them you can always use sed 's/\//\/\//g' to double what you've got. but it takes *six* / to do that!
[19:27] <Guest95330> hi. I'm trying to setup machines with limited Internet access for educational purposes. Specifically, I need to disallow access to video content. Any suggestions?
[19:33] <lordcirth> Guest95330, most likely, the most sane way is a whitelist of sites.
[19:33] <lordcirth> That being said, I would consider strongly *not* doing limited access unless there are legal concerns
[19:34] <tommy``> !seen derpadmin
[19:36] <lordcirth> Guest95330, however, I'd recommend installing uBlock Origin and PrivacyBadger in the browser to fix a number of problems at once.
[19:39] <OerHeks> squid perhaps https://linuxstep.wordpress.com/step-by-step-configuration-squid-to-block-streaming-media-online/
[19:40] <Guest95330> lordcirth: there are bandwidth concerns
[19:40] <OerHeks> maybe there are more filters needed, this is from 2010
[19:41] <Guest95330> OerHeks: A proxy is not an option
[19:41] <lordcirth> Guest95330, why not?
[19:42] <lordcirth> A proxy could be a problem, being a single point of failure, and requiring you to MITM TLS, which is rarely a good idea.
[19:45] <Guest95330> if its the only way, then I'll consider it. But I just can't believe it could be so difficult to block video
[19:46] <ioria> Guest95330, have you tried an add-on or an extension ? depends on the browser you have (e.g. LeechBlock)
[19:46] <sarnold> limit bandwidth to something that would make video useless?
[19:49] <Guest95330> sarnold: brutal but effective
[19:49] <Guest95330> ioria: add-ons/extensions can be disabled by a non-root user, no?
[19:50] <ioria> Guest95330, yes
[19:50] <ikonia> Guest95330: why is a proxy not the est way to do this
[19:50] <ikonia> controls bandwidth and content
[19:52] <Guest95330> ikonia: sorry, were you expecting a real-world problem? :)
[19:52] <ioria> Guest95330, but it was possible to install an extension globally (not remember the details)
[19:53] <ikonia> Guest95330: what ?
[19:53] <ikonia> Guest95330: you're asking how to do this - I'm not clear why running a proxy server which is designed to manage content and bandwidth is not the most approprirate option
[19:53] <Guest95330> i suppose I could install squid/trafficserver on each machine
[19:54] <ikonia> no, installt it centraly and point the machines at it ?
[19:57] <doug16k> you can use "chrome device management" to force install addons that block videos and configure other restrictions
[19:59] <doug16k> haven't used it, only aware of it
[20:01] <neildugan> if I use the command "sudo adduser neil kvm" ... I get the message "The user `neil' is already a member of `kvm'." ... but the "groups" command doesn't have the "kvm" group listed in it!  .... why? how do I fix this?
[20:02] <Guest95330> doug16k: interesting. But seems its an enterprise feature
[20:02] <doug16k> neildugan, did you run 'groups neil' though?
[20:03] <ikonia> what is the problem with a central proxy ?
[20:03] <doug16k> the group list is captured and retained at logon. if you want to apply changes to the groups on the fly, use su neil, the subprocess will have the updated group list. exit gets you back and drops back to previous group list
[20:03] <doug16k> er, retained at (shell) process startup
[20:03] <neildugan> doug16k, I just did, and it is listed... why when running 'groups' as neil is different from running 'groups neil' as neil?
[20:04] <doug16k> neildugan, groups by itself lists the groups of the current process, as loaded at the moment you logged on
[20:04] <doug16k> neildugan, if you want to just do something right now, run: su neil
[20:04] <doug16k> the subshell will have the updated permissions
[20:05] <neildugan> doug16k, but I have done a logout/login since setting this up.
[20:05] <doug16k> ya, I've heard that before. don't know why that wouldn't update it
[20:06] <doug16k> su neil definitely works
[20:07] <Guest95330> ikonia: theres no problem. You're not going mad
[20:07] <neildugan> doug16k, ok seems to handle some of the problems I am having, atm
[20:08] <ikonia> Guest95330: why are you not approaching that then
[20:11] <Guest95330> ikonia: play the ball, not the man
[20:22] <ikonia> Guest95330: what ?
[20:45] <Guest95330> got it. Disabled video codecs in about:config
[20:46] <Guest95330> OerHeks: thanks for uBlock Origin
[21:04] <Apachez> ubuntu 19.10 is coming...
[21:51] <gAb1> hi, i'm trying to install asciidoc, but it's asking me to download 1.6gb worth of dependencies, is there any way to get this installed on a vps with low ram? it actually doesn't let me: E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
[21:52] <gAb1> i mean, i say ram because it's a recue boot with ubuntu, so it's loaded in ram
[21:54] <sarnold> gAb1: try with --no-install-recommends
[21:54] <sarnold> gAb1: you could also try apt autoclean or apt clean to try to free up some space in that directory
[21:55] <gAb1> nice, it worked, thanks
[21:55] <sarnold> yay
[22:51] <ali1234> i am trying to build a kernel module
[22:52] <ali1234> it needs drivers/media/dvb-frontends/si2168.h but this file does not exist in linux-headers
[22:53] <ali1234> how do i make it so that /lib/modules/<version>/build always points to the full kernel source instead of just theheaders?
[23:52] <snacksicles> hey, I'm using an ubuntu 18.10 live USB and it's having this weird issue where some packages can't be found in the repo (but others can, so it's not a connection issue)
[23:52] <snacksicles> like, hfsprogs can't be found but hfsutils can
[23:53] <sarnold> snacksicles: packages are removed from the mirrors once they aren't referenced by a 'live' distribution
[23:53] <snacksicles> by "can't be found" I mean apt search and install return "this package doesn't exist"
[23:53] <ali1234> did you apt update?
[23:53] <snacksicles> ali: yes
[23:53] <snacksicles> didn' change anyhing
[23:54] <sarnold> snacksicles: without looking, my guess is the version of hfsprogs that was in 18.10 existed only in 18.10 and was yanked after 18.10 hit end of life, but the version of hfsutils in 18.10 matches something from 18.04 or 19.04 or something like that, and is thus still on the mirrors
[23:54] <tomreyn> !18.10
[23:54] <ali1234> hfsutils is in main but hfsprogs is in universe. is universe enabled?
[23:54] <snacksicles> sarnold, according o https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&keywords=hfsprogs&searchon=names i's in 19.04
[23:55] <snacksicles> hfsprogs is in 19.04 and 18.10
[23:56] <thierry> Hello, I just ran a version of Ubuntu which I've installed (not a live-cd image) on a USB-Stick years ago. I did updates and it seems like it broke my Windows 7 drive. Whenever I try to boot now, I'm getting: "The boot selection failed because a required device is inaccessible.". I did find threads about the same error but it seems like it can have
[23:56] <thierry> a range of different causes and I have mainly found issues related to selecting the wrong partitions while installing Ubuntu etc. which is not the case here. Not sure what to do as this is also the only machine I have currently. Any help would be appreciated.
[23:56] <snacksicles> probably a universe hing, hanks and sorry for lack of t's
[23:58] <tomreyn>  ha 's fine