[03:30] <valorie> good ole rsync works for me
[03:30] <valorie> and it's quick
 Hey guys I'm trying to upgrade from 19.04 to 19.10. But no new ubuntu release found.
[04:59] <valorie> @arjun_soni - not a guy, but you will need to: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[04:59] <valorie> because the upgrade switch hasn't been flipped yet for Ubuntu
 @valorie, Thia
 @valorie, This
[04:59] <valorie> ?
[05:00]  * valorie just did a backup and upgrade earlier this evening
 @valorie, I tagged your comment and upvoted it with "This" on Telegram, you won't see tagging probably because you are on IRC
[05:01] <valorie> ok
 @valorie, 👍🏻
[05:01] <valorie> I am on Tg but not right now
[05:01] <valorie> I prefer IRC when possible
 @valorie, Thanks
[05:03] <valorie> you are very welcome
[05:03] <valorie> have fun with it!
[05:03] <valorie> I immediately added backports and got Plasma 5.17
[05:03] <valorie> :-)
 Kubuntu is great, but lags on my Lapc whenever I flash it on SSD
 Works excellent on USB
[05:05] <valorie> well now that's weird
[05:05] <valorie> flash it?
[05:05] <valorie> or install it
 @valorie, Well, installing, but in Android terms, flashing is equivalent even for onboard storage
[05:30] <valorie> hmmm
[05:31] <valorie> Kubuntu isn't designed or tested for that
[05:32] <valorie> there are people who install kubuntu onto a large thumb drive with persistence, so that they can use random computers
[05:32] <valorie> for instance people traveling the world
[05:32] <valorie> it isn't fast though
[05:33] <valorie> @princeofclay is there some reason you don't want to just install on your laptop in the usual way?
 @valorie, No
[05:35] <valorie> ok
 Btw there's a weird problem in latest LTS.
 Touch isn't detected
[05:35] <valorie> well, it's 1.5 years old
[05:36] <valorie> my travel lappy is touch, and it works well, and has for years
 @valorie, Ahh, so better to get 19.10?
[05:36] <valorie> that's what both of my laptops are on
[05:37] <valorie> personally I never advise the LTS unless stability is your most important quality
[05:38] <valorie> businesses often choose the LTS
[05:38] <valorie> but I'm unsure why the average person would
[05:38] <valorie> upgrading every 6 months isn't difficult
[05:38] <valorie> took me less than an hour
[05:39] <valorie> if I had a separate $HOME I could have done a fresh install in 15 mins
 @valorie, I chose it because I'm new to Linux. And I thought the non LTS is something like Android Beta or Windows Insider Programme
 Not for serious use
[06:02] <valorie> ah!
 Just for freelance testers
[06:02] <valorie> our betas are that, for sure
[06:03] <valorie> and it's true that although we test test test, that for the LTS our sole aim is reliability and stability
[06:03] <valorie> since we have to support it for years
[06:03] <valorie> whereas we can try out new things in between
[06:03] <valorie> but we never put out anything without multiple rounds of testing
 @valorie, This approach is good
[06:21] <valorie> in all the years I've been running Kubuntu (over 10) I've had very few problems
[06:21] <valorie> and the other users here always help me out of them, even when I caused them myself
[06:21] <valorie> :-)
[08:26] <Guest5636> Hi,
[08:26] <Guest5636> I've got a problem with xorg ( I guess ). I was using egpu and everything was fine till it wasn't. Now I am at a point when egpu is unplugged, nvidia drivers purged yet still can't switch to native 1366x768 of a laptop scrren.
[08:28] <Guest5636> Login manager starts in the correct resolution but desktop envirorment starts in insufferable 660x540.
[08:29] <Guest5636> *it's 960x50
[08:30] <lordievader> Egpu?
[08:30] <lordievader> What graphics card are you using, and what driver are you using for it?
[08:30] <Guest5636> lordievader: yup, some old nvidia plugged into adapter and connected via express card.
[08:31] <Guest5636> Ah one sec.
[08:31] <lordievader> Sounds complicated
[08:32] <Guest5636> zotac on nv 630 driver - thou as I said - it's unplugged, nvidia drivers purged and all I want for now is to get the correct laptop resolution.
[08:33] <lordievader> Right, so the laptop has an integrated (Intel?) card as well?
[08:34] <Guest5636> Yes.
[08:38] <lordievader> Could you pastebin the out of `sudo lspci -k` and `cat /proc/cmdline`?
[08:50] <Guest5636> lordievader: will try - let me grab the other machine - typing from different laptop.
[08:57] <enkeyz> hey guys: just installed from 19.04 to 19.10, and I have one small problem: the new Chromium browser(v77) doesn't respect GTK cursor theme
[08:57] <enkeyz> any solution to this?
[08:58] <enkeyz> Only Chromium, in VSCode it works fine
[09:00] <enkeyz> (and in other GTK apps)
[09:03] <Guest19615> lordievader: https://pastebin.com/tU5v2NxN
[09:03] <Guest19615> ( epgu guy )
[09:05] <lordievader> That looks alright
[09:08] <lordievader> I get the feeling the resolution is configured somewhere, rather than auto detected. You could try what this guy has done: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=228721
[09:11] <Guest5636> <3
[09:11] <Guest5636> xrandr did the trick.
[09:11] <Guest5636> Thanks.
[09:11] <Guest5636> Still wandering why kde prevents from getting there.
[09:13] <enkeyz> So looks like only Chromium from snap have GTK theme issues
[09:14] <enkeyz> (just built it from source)
[09:16] <enkeyz> I wonder who thought snap will be fun for 19.10, it's just awful
[10:17] <ignacio_> alguien sabe como poner en marcha filezilla server?
[10:18] <ignacio_> he seguido las instrucciones pero no hay manera
[10:19] <ignacio_> Warning: FTP over TLS is not enabled, users cannot securely log in.
[10:19] <ignacio_> este es el mensaje que recibo
[10:29] <tomreyn> !es | ignacio_
[10:31] <tomreyn> generally, if you don't strictly depends on the ftp protocol, i would recommend using http or sftp (ssh) instead.
[12:08] <Guest82927> On a board I attend someone just posted his xorg ( kubuntu 18.04 ) is running from root. Just checked mine and
[12:08] <Guest82927> ps -ef|awk 'BEGIN { IGNORECASE=1 } $0 ~ /xorg/ && ! /awk/'
[12:08] <Guest82927> root      1031  1029 11 13:36 tty1     00:03:04 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/sddm/{1fa7fbc3-3ff3-4e15-a4d9-5b5a
[12:09] <Guest82927> Is this normal?
[12:22] <tomreyn> hmm, it runs as (my) restricted user on my 18.04 with gnome-shell
[12:25] <tomreyn> Guest82927: ^ but indeed X runs as root on kubuntu 19.04 as well
[12:33] <Guest82927> tomreyn: any reason for the shift from unprivileged user you know of?
[12:34] <tomreyn> Guest82927: i don't know how sddm and kde work under the hood, so can't really comment.
[12:36] <tomreyn> also, i'd just assume that kubuntu's X always ran as root and it's just not shifted to a restricted user configuration, yet (so i don't see a move from restricted back to root, as your question seems to suggest).
[12:44] <Guest82927> Maybe so. Thanks for input.
 This is offtopic guys, but is MX Linux rigging to top position?
 Its definitely Top 25,but no. 1 seems a huge stretch.
 If its really at the top, what Kubuntu can include from it to increase users
[13:07] <tomreyn> princeofclay: yes, this is off-topic, as you seem to know well, so this discussion doesn't seem to belong here.
[13:08] <tomreyn> (maybe it's ok on the forums?)
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 Hello! The Kubuntu website says upgrade to 19.10 from 19.04 is available. Running the command says 'no update release'. Third party info says update until 1 St point release!? ???
 @Anarchotaoist, Where does it say it is available?
[13:40] <OerHeks> iso's are available..
 Upgrading from 19.04 … Detailed upgrade instructions can be found here: [Kubuntu 19.04 to 19.10 Upgrade](https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu)
[13:41] <OerHeks>  there is no upgrade path yet, use  "update-manager -c -d"  option for now, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes
[13:41] <OerHeks> or you beter wait a few days, tuesday maybe
[13:42] <xbfrog> what happens tue?
 The announce,ents and release notes point to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EoanUpgrades/Kubuntu
[13:42] <OerHeks> this delay is normal, for years, it gives us some time to detect upgrade issues, so please report any!
 @RikMills, Which says: "There may a delay of a few hrs to days between the official release announcements and the Ubuntu Release Team enabling upgrades."
 No-where does it say upgrades are available NOW
[13:44] <OerHeks> omgubuntu ( and others) should be more clear about this..
[13:56] <BluesKaj> if you want to upgrade by the cli just run sudo do-release-upgrade -d , since the package manager is obviously mucked up
[13:57] <BluesKaj> make sure to update and upgrade the existing 19.04 packages first tho
[14:00] <tomreyn> and probably to ppa-purge all PPAs which could get in the way, and to run apt-forktracer.
[14:12] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, what's apt-forktracer ?
[14:13] <tomreyn> !info apt-forktracer
[14:15] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: it's similar to what the foreign_packages wrapper script (around apt-show-versions) at https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/#foreign_packages does, but it's included in ubuntu, and usually good enough, so i'm rather recommending this for now.
[14:17] <BluesKaj> I see
[14:17] <BluesKaj> thanks
[14:17] <tomreyn> it's all about detecting packages and package versions which apt doesn't know how to handle, and which have no tested upgrade paths
 @Franzpow, Can someone please answer me? Thank you
[14:19] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: maybe you know the answer to a question raised by soemone else here earlier (which i couldn't answer): why does Xorg on kubuntu run as root when some of the other falvours have it running as a restricted user?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, no idea
[14:20] <tomreyn> Franzpow: it's okay to repeat your question occasionally, such as after 8 hours.
[14:21] <tomreyn> i'll help, but it was cut off:
 Hey, yesterday I had the same problem as you updating from terminal to 19.10, so I did this instead. … I searched for: …  ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt_19.10.15_all.deb … So I added: … deb http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu eoan main universe … After that I updated every package on Discover. Now it says that I have kubuntu 19.10. … Did I make a mistake? Will my system blow up soon? It's like I updated everything manually bu
[14:22] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: ok, i assume it's probably just not possible kde-wise, yet
[14:22] <tomreyn> (but i'm really clueless there, too)
 @tomreyn> <Franzpow, I just wrote this yesterday more than 24hrs ago but I did not receive an answer.. So I asked here another time (now)
[14:24] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, I used to do some Xorg.conf editing back in the day when ATI gpus required it, but that was a long time ago
 This is the missing part  … "Did I make a mistake? Will my system blow up soon? It's like I updated everything manually but I am wondering if I did it right.."
[14:25] <tomreyn> Franzpow: cool. i'm just saying it's good to repeat the question occasionally since people join and leave. 19.10 upgrades are not supported, yet.
 @tomreyn, Oh ok I did not understand properly what you were saying
[14:25] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: autoconfiguration was really a great improvement.
[14:26] <tomreyn> Franzpow: no worries ;)
[14:29] <tomreyn> Franzpow: so the way you upgraded is not how it should be done. it may still have worked out okay but there's a good chance your system configuration differs from a fresh 19.10 installation now in ways beyond the changes you made on purpose. it may be desirable to backup and do a fresh installation sometime in the not so distant future.
[14:30] <tomreyn> Franzpow: is there an immediate error situation you're trying to solve now?
[14:37] <lh_> 12312312312
[14:40] <lh_> Хорошо живет на свете винипух)
[14:44] <BluesKaj> !ru | lh_
 @tomreyn, Fortunately no. It's working right now.. I am still testing it.
 Someone suggested me this on AskUbuntu: … sudo apt -f install
 I did that and uninstalled some packages
 clockwise and counterclockwise rotation are reversed in the KDE Display Settings Module. where to report this?
[15:08] <cybercrypto> hi there, is the upgrade path from kubuntu 19.04 to 19.10 already release? (I meant upgrade without forcing it).
[15:09] <cybercrypto> so far, the release-update is returning 'no new release found'
[16:14] <tomreyn> cybercrypto: upgrades to 19.10 are not enabled, yet.
[16:15] <tomreyn> alias check19.10="wget -qO- http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release | grep -q '^Dist: eoan$' && echo 'Upgrade to 19.10 is now available' || echo 'Upgrade to 19.10 is not available, yet.'
[16:15] <tomreyn> then run: check19.10
[16:16] <tomreyn> !bug | bauchhaus
[16:17] <tomreyn> Franzpow: you should probably ensure that all apt sources at /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} are now pointing to 19.10, then:  apt update; apt -f install; apt upgrade; apt full-upgrade
[16:27] <blender_starter> Hi, i have installed Kubuntu with nvidia drivers
[16:28] <blender_starter> Drivers are installed but not in use
[16:28] <blender_starter> What to do?
[16:28] <blender_starter> Thanks in advance
[16:29] <tomreyn> how did you install them?
[16:30] <blender_starter> When installing a checked install proprietary drivers
[16:30] <blender_starter> Then i removed them (because they were not working) and installed again
[16:30] <tomreyn> i see. whihc kubuntu version did you install?
[16:30] <blender_starter> 19.10
[16:30] <tomreyn> when you reinstalled them, how did you reinstall them?
[16:31] <blender_starter> Sudo Ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[16:31] <tomreyn> hmm, okay, i'd expected this ti work. did you reboot afterwards?
[16:31] <blender_starter> When i run glxgears i get only 60fps
[16:31] <blender_starter> Yes
[16:31] <tomreyn> which graphics card is it?
[16:33] <blender_5d> I disconnected
[16:33] <blender_5d> Did you ask anything?
 which graphics card is it?
[16:34] <OerHeks> hi blender_5d did you ask anything?
[16:34] <blender_5d> Geforce gt 1030
[16:35] <tomreyn> i'm not really into nvidia but if that's a new one you might need to resort to the "ubuntu-drivers" PPA
[16:35] <blender_5d> How?
[16:35] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+index
[16:36] <blender_5d> Yeah but with which command?
[16:36] <blender_5d> Sorry i am newbie
 @tomreyn, I have 4 files.list how I check if they point to 19.10?
[16:38] <tomreyn> blender_5d: you may be new, but you can read, the page i pointed oyu to explains
[16:39] <blender_5d> Thanks i havent noticed
[16:39] <blender_5d> Ill try
 (Photo, 732x352) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/D6N0OxhH/file_19196.jpg
 This is what I have in the folder
[16:41] <tomreyn> Franzpow: 19.10 is known as "eoan", 19.04 is known as "disco". if you see "disco" in there, replace it by "eoan". my motivation to support you with this is limited because you picked an upgrade path (editing some apt sources, not using what's recommended in all (official) documentation) is unsupported
 I know but I really was unaware of this... I just thought that I had to download these updates to upgrade my Kubuntu with the official way. It was My error but I am new to this and I was not able to understand properly the instructions
 Now I will proceed to replace disco with eoan
 Thank you
[16:44] <tomreyn> you're welcome, good luck. and don't forget about the reamining tasks afterwards:
 Franzpow: you should probably ensure that all apt sources at /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} are now pointing to 19.10, then:  apt update; apt -f install; apt upgrade; apt full-upgrade
[16:46] <tomreyn> it is possible that    "apt update" will already print warnings and errors, usually this is because third party apt repositories do not support the new release, yet. you can comment those apt source out and retry them in a wek or two.
[16:46] <tomreyn> *week
 @tomreyn> <tomreyn, Yes I won't forget it. Ubuntu it's awesome, it's like being aware of everything happens inside an OS for the first time. Thank you and to all the community
[16:46] <tomreyn> :)
 It makes me want to replace windows 10 on all my devices with Ubuntu
[16:48] <evgeny> hi.. can you give me advice please? when i load Kubuntu 18.04, there is Discover manages starts up. i do not configure it. i can not find out, where is set up of this.
[16:59] <evgeny> it's good for my system if i run in Konsole sudo apt-get dist-upgrade? Someone recommends me run it
[17:01] <tomreyn> evgeny: i had difficulties understanding your first questions. maybe you can rephrase it in some short sentences?
[17:02] <evgeny> tomreyn Hi. Every time i boot my system, there is opens Discover manager, how to disable this startup?
[17:03] <tomreyn> about your second question: unless you have manually edited /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} to point your apt sources to a different (k)ubuntu release, or have third party repositories configured which will upgrade software to newer releases, it is always safe to run    sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[17:04] <tomreyn> evgeny: i think that if you close "discover" before you log off / shutdown it will not start up automatically upon login (unless there are pending updates)
[17:04] <evgeny> thank you :)
 @tomreyn, I think I replaced correctly all the repositories but for now I have 0 updates to do.
[17:53] <ohallot> Hello community.. I tried command "do-release-upgrade" to update my kubuntu but it returns "no upgrade available". Am I missing something? Is this command still supported? Thanks!
[17:54] <tomreyn> IrcsomeBot: good, that's all you could do for now, i guess.
[17:54] <tomreyn> Franzpow: ^
[17:54]  * ohallot wants to upgrade from 19.04 to 19.10
[17:54] <tomreyn> ohallot: upgrades to 19.10 are not enabled, yet
[17:55] <tomreyn> wait a couple days, keep trying. the command is correct, but add -c
[17:55] <tomreyn> (if you only want to check)
[17:56] <tomreyn> alternatively you can set this alias    alias check19.10="wget -qO- http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release | grep -q '^Dist: eoan$' && echo 'Upgrade to 19.10 is now available' || echo 'Upgrade to 19.10 is not available, yet.'"
[17:56] <tomreyn> and then run    check19.10
[17:57] <ohallot> tomreyn Thanks for the answer. !
[17:58] <tomreyn> you're welcome!
 @tomreyn, Ok thanks!
[18:09] <cybercrypto> tomreyn: thanks for the info. Do you know how long the upgrade is delayed, normally?
[18:10] <tomreyn> cybercrypto: usually less than a week.
[18:10] <tomreyn> Franzpow: you, too, are welcome!
[18:10] <cybercrypto> tomreyn: that sounds grat, thank you.
[18:11] <tomreyn> cybercrypto: :) pleasure. it's nice when people have some patience.
[20:08] <danila> Hello?
[20:09] <danila> Can anyone help me with some audio input problems? :)
[20:10] <tomreyn> !ask | hi danila, please
[20:11] <tomreyn> both ubottu and i are bad at debugging audio, though, i hope someone else can help
[20:15] <danila> Okay. So I just installed Kubuntu 19.10 and found out that no audio input devices are detected. My sound card is Xonar DG which kind of makes it tricky to figure out. Everything worked fine on Ubuntu 19.04, though
[20:21] <tomreyn> that's a CMI8786 chipset, driver is snd-oxygen
[20:22] <danila> Yep, it's selected for audio output and works just fine. But Audio Volume Settings don't display any input devices at all
[20:23] <tomreyn> does    cat /proc/asound/cards    list multiple cards?
[20:25] <danila> Yes. 3 items:
[20:25] <danila>  0 [DG             ]: CMI8786 - Xonar DG
[20:25] <tomreyn> sometimes sound chipsets / their drivers interfere with each other. but this is a far fetched guess really. i don't think i can help.
[20:25] <danila>                       C-Media Oxygen HD Audio at 0xc100, irq 18
[20:25] <danila>  1 [PCH            ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
[20:25] <danila>                       HDA Intel PCH at 0xf7210000 irq 33
[20:25] <danila>  2 [NVidia         ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
[20:25] <tomreyn> !paste | danila
[20:26] <tomreyn> ubuntu: tell danila about sound
[20:26] <tomreyn> ubottu: tell danila about sound
[20:27] <tomreyn> that's all the two of us know.
[20:27] <danila> I see. Thank you
[20:58] <jordila> hi there Kubuntistas ... coming from XFCE lands... aiming at KDEneon taste: a KDE newbie glad to be here for the fest time, here. Am i in the right do you know if there is a specific KDEneon chat room ?
[20:59] <bprompt> I don't know for one
[21:00] <dax> #kde-neon, but that's more of a development channel not a support one (see its /topic)
[21:00] <jordila> nice to know