 Fwd from princeofclay: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/10/18/meet-the-linux-desktop-that-will-blow-away-windows-10-and-macos-in-2020/#3dcd43045c9a
 Shared because I found
 Nothing against Kubuntu
[02:38] <airmen55> Hi all - and a very good morning/evening/*.* from Berlin Berlin
[03:17] <airmen55_> whats the trick to get to actually work
[03:18] <airmen55_> eh kradio...
[09:25] <otsheln1k> Good afternoon. I have a question.
[09:25] <otsheln1k> What do you think about performance if you install your OS on a laptop?
[09:25] <otsheln1k> System characteristics:
[09:25] <otsheln1k> - Processor: Intel Atom inside (Cores: 4, Frequency: 1.2)
[09:25] <otsheln1k> System characteristics:
[09:25] <otsheln1k> - Processor: Intel Atom inside (Cores: 4, Frequency: 1.2)
[09:25] <otsheln1k> - RAM: 4 gigabytes (type: DDR3)
[09:26] <otsheln1k> KDE is rumored to require a lot of computer resources.
[09:26] <ubuking> otsheln1k do you want to use kde?
[09:26] <ubuking> I would recommend you
[09:26] <ubuking> lubuntu or xubuntu
[09:27] <otsheln1k> Unfortunately, I do not allow you to install lubuntu
[09:28] <otsheln1k> I beg your pardon. I don't speak much English.
[09:29] <otsheln1k> I installed xubuntu. But it behaves very strangely on my laptop
[09:31] <otsheln1k> Does Kubuntu support Mate or XFCE shell?
[09:44] <tomreyn> !flavors | otsheln1k
[09:44] <tomreyn> Kubuntu for KDE, Ubuntu Mate for Mate, Xubuntu for XFCE.
[09:44] <tomreyn> this channel is about kubuntu
[09:46] <otsheln1k> I'm just curious
[10:08] <tomreyn> !ru | otsheln1k: in case you prefer support in russian
 (Photo, 444x391) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/M6zMbKlP/file_19205.jpg Hello brightness bar is gone and i cant change brightness anyone help?
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:26] <gianni_> ciao
[12:26] <gianni_> !list
 Hi. I am asking you this question, but it's not an Issue I experienced on Kubuntu. … Do you have some advices to reduce memory usage on Kubuntu? When I start my pc there are at least 800-900Mb of RAM used by processes and services. How can I reduce this number?
[13:20] <tomreyn> Franzpow: if that's not an issue you experience on kubuntu, then why do you ask it here?
[13:22] <tomreyn> i don't think there's much you can do about the basic RAM requirements, this is basically normal for a current desktop system. ubuntu's system requirements are 4 GB minimum, i guess you could say the same for kubuntu (but have not checked what is actually written about this - you probably should)
 @tomreyn, I thought that someone could help me here. I have 4GBs of RAM on my quadcore Celeron and Ubuntu requires - at least on my system - more 300mb of RAM
 I think that Kubuntu is lighter, in fact, it works better and it's smoother on my notebook than Ubuntu
[13:31] <tomreyn> the kernel takes some hundred MB, then you have the graphical desktop and services, and if ram is 'shared' with a GPU then it also takes another few hundred MB
[13:32] <tomreyn> so you basically end up with 1 GB allocated without running anything. this may be a little less on kubuntu than on ubuntu, but probably not thaaat much
 I understand. I have integrated graphics.. So may be the case. … Personally I switched to kubuntu because Plasma Runs smoother on my desktop thank GNOME
 Btw are Updates to 19.10 still not avaible? I  see nothing on discover When I check for new updates
[13:35] <tomreyn> cool. i'm not sure which versions you tried but gnome-shell in 18.04 has some performance issues, those are more contained in 19.10, but even then kubuntu may still have a smaller footprint.
[13:35] <tomreyn> you can set this alias    alias check19.10="wget -qO- http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release | grep -q '^Dist: eoan$' && echo 'Upgrade to 19.10 is now available' || echo 'Upgrade to 19.10 is not available, yet.'"
[13:35] <tomreyn> and then run    check19.10
 @tomreyn, I used Ubuntu 19.04 then I switched to Kubuntu
 @tomreyn, I am talking about security updates and program updates. I have already updated to 19.10 from 19.04. Is this command for that?
[13:36] <tomreyn> upgrades to 19.10 are not available, yet, but will be enabled soon. maybe just try again in a week
[13:37] <tomreyn> the command i just posted is for checking whether the 19.10 upgrade is available, yet
[13:37] <tomreyn> you can also run this:  do-release-upgrade -c
 Oh ok. I was asking, instead, if there are updates available right now to packages etc.. Because I am worried that I cannot see any update on discover. Maybe you remember that I updated to 19.10 version 'not in the right way' so I was wondering if everything was fine adding the right repos.
[13:42] <tomreyn> you can run this and post the url, so we can check together: sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[13:42] <tomreyn> this collects some information from apt, but does not actually change anything
[13:45] <tomreyn> Franzpow: ^
[13:46] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, what's the problem with the 19.10 sources ?
 thank you! I will check it in a whike
[13:47] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: none in general, but maybe on Franzpow's system since they edited sources.list manually to "upgrade" from 19.04 to 19.10, if i recall correctly.
[13:47] <tomreyn> also ppa's and other 3rd party repos may need massaging
[13:57] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, I sed'd my sources.list to focal then updated and upgraded, and changed my/etc/hosts and hostnames files
[13:59] <BluesKaj> that method has become a habit since joining "Kubuntu Testers"
 @Franzpow, Updates have a mandatory 7 days minimum in the proposed pocket for validation, so you won't see many allowed through for a while after 19.10 release
 @RikMills, Oh I understand.
 @tomreyn> you can run this and post the url, so we can check together: sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2, https://termbin.com/d49f
 this was the result
[14:10] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: that's probably fine someone willing to do testing like you, and especially so during early development of a new release where the 'upgrade' introduces basically no differences. but i guess we don't recommend editing sources.list for the average user, or they'll miss / loose the secret sauce that comes with do-release-upgrade's
 @tomreyn, The secret Sauce? 😳
 Now I am curious. I never Updated ubuntu, this is the first time I did it
[14:14] <tomreyn> Franzpow: do-release-upgrader downloads some scripts from the web when it carries out the upgrade. these scripts are suually for cleaning up the mess when you have changes such as switching from unity to gnome-shell as the default desktop.
[14:15] <tomreyn> about what you posted to termbin.com: have a look at it, there are warnings in it
[14:15] <tomreyn> which tell you what needs to be done
 @tomreyn, I don't understand what to do. When I click on this link there's a bug on telegram desktop that opens wine browser endlessly and I am forced  to use the task manager.  … If I copy the link on my browser I see the home page of termbin. I don't know what to do, I also opened the file that I posted here to you and there are a lot of errors that I don't know what they mean..
 I am sorry for my ignorance
[14:24] <tomreyn> on the phone, bbl
[14:31] <OerHeks> telegram .. wine.. oh boy
 I am not using windows version, wine keeps popping up whenever I click on a link on the telegram that
[14:34] <OerHeks> that prop telegram runs on wine, and i have no clue about wine
[14:38] <tomreyn> Franzpow: you can install an irc client and come here directly if you like.
[14:38] <tomreyn> we're on irc.freenode.net in channek #kubuntu
[14:39] <tomreyn> *channeL
[14:39] <tomreyn> the link you posted is this https://termbin.com/d49f
[14:39] <tomreyn> it's short, you can just type it into another web browser if it helps.
 @tomreyn, I have no problems to open this one. It is this one:* … http://termbin.com … to give me problems
 @tomreyn, Yep, I have no idea on what to do. Btw I will join you on IRC
[14:41] <tomreyn> well that's their homepage, not the link you posted.
 Yeah. That's the homepage I know
[14:42] <tomreyn> so look at https://termbin.com/d49f with the /d49f in the end
[14:43] <Franzo> I opened it on my browser and I can see a bunch of errors that  I can not understand
[14:43] <Franzo> Because I am a noob here
[14:43] <tomreyn> those "W: ..." lines are warnings, you need to make all of them go away
[14:44] <tomreyn> to do so, you need to sudoedit the file at /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:45] <tomreyn> this file defines where apt, the software installer / updater, gets its updates from
[14:45] <Franzo> Oh. Maybe I understand. I will try to edit it
[14:45] <tomreyn> these warnings are about repetitions in your configuration file. apparently there are the same entries in lines 36 and 60 of this file, for example
[14:45] <tomreyn> W: L'obiettivo Packages (partner/binary-amd64/Packages) è configurato molteplici volte in /etc/apt/sources.list:36 e /etc/apt/sources.list:60
[14:46] <tomreyn> ^ this says so at least
 Maybe I made some errors yesterday trying to configure repositories
[14:47] <tomreyn> other warnings messages refer to other lines, so make sure you go through all of this file and end up with out duplicates. or you could just overwrite all of what you have by a fresh copy of the file:
[14:47] <tomreyn> !sources.list
[14:50] <tomreyn> i'm not sure how up to date this is but here's a kubuntu (graphical interface) way to managing this sources.list file: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[14:51] <tomreyn> but actually editing the file is probably the better approach, the GUI may not be able to remove all of the duplicates.
[14:58] <Franzo> I opened sources.list But I don't find duplicates. I am sorry I am not able to do this
[15:08] <tomreyn> Franzo: you got the line numbers in those messages, have you tried to compare those line pairs?
[15:08] <tomreyn> also welcome to irc
[15:09] <tomreyn> your other option remains to make backups (you need to do this anyways) and to install a fresh copy.
[16:00] <Franzo> I solved the warnings. Now there are the other errors. How to solve them?
 I solved the W... lines of the file
[16:01] <Franzo> Now I need to solve the other errors written there
[16:06] <tomreyn> Franzo: can you post the output again?
[16:07] <tomreyn> export LANG=C; sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[16:07] <tomreyn> the "export LANG=C" makes it so it's in english
[16:08] <tomreyn> Franzo: also, please mentioned my nickname more when responding, so i dont miss it so easily.
[16:16] <crydotsnake-M> What is the next update version after Kubuntu 19.04?.
[16:16] <crydotsnake-M> I mean when the support ends for Kubuntu 19.04
[16:22] <tomreyn> crydotsnake-M: 19.10 is the next version, and the version you'll need to upgrade to.
[16:22] <tomreyn> upgrades to 19.10 are not supported, yet, but will be in a couple days or a week. keep trying.
[16:24] <crydotsnake-M> Okay! :)
[16:24] <OerHeks> 19.04 + 9 months
[16:24] <crydotsnake-M> How do i know when i can upgrade from 19.04 to 19.10?
[16:25] <OerHeks> you will know, when the update path is in your update dialog
[16:25] <nms> do-release-upgrade
[16:26] <crydotsnake-M> `sudo apt release-upgrade` ?
[16:27] <nms> do-release-upgrade
[16:27] <nms> sudo apt update
[16:27] <nms> sudo apt uprade
[16:27] <nms> sudo apt upgrade
[16:28] <nms> sudo  apt do-release-upgrade
[16:28] <nms> ignore uprade line
[16:30] <Franzo> Tomreyn: Here we go
[16:30] <Franzo> https://termbin.com/wqs7
[16:39] <crydotsnake-M> No new ubuntu versions found at the moment.
[16:42] <tomreyn> Franzo: sorry, this time i just got sidetracked
[16:43] <tomreyn> Franzo: so this looks a lot better already
[16:43] <tomreyn> Franzo: you are now mixing apt mirrors from different countries still, though
[16:44] <tomreyn> you probably want use ONE of it.archive.ubuntu.com and cz.archive.ubuntu.com, not both.
[16:44] <tomreyn> so pick one of the two and remove all references to it off your sources.list file.
[16:44] <Franzo> Oh.. so I have to edit it in /var/lib/dpkg ?
[16:45] <Franzo> ah ok in sources.list
[16:45] <tomreyn> same file you edited previously
[16:45] <Franzo> Maybe I can edit with muon manager
[16:45] <Franzo> because I saw an option where you can set the preferred selver
[16:45] <Franzo> *Server
[16:45] <Franzo> am I right?
[16:49] <tomreyn> Franzo: yes and no. this GUI works fine when you start with a default / clean sources.list. but that's not what you have.
[16:50] <Franzo> Tomreyn: so I am deleting all the references to cz server on sources.list
[16:50] <tomreyn> Franzo: makes sense to me, since you appear to be in italy.
[16:52] <Zoohouse> Hello everyone
[16:53] <Zoohouse> I'm having trouble with my korgenize... I want to connect to my google account but I have 2 factor auth. When I login to my account and am prompted to insert my yubi key, it doesn't work. Is there a way to fix this?
[16:54] <Franzo> Tomreyn: now I have this: https://termbin.com/5dtk
[16:58] <tomreyn> Franzo: much better, but you're still missing eoan-security and eoan-updates. you can use the GUI to add those
[17:06] <Franzo> tomreyn: I see that on discover these updates are activated
[17:07] <Franzo> How can I activate them? Do I have to add the repository manually?
[17:07] <Zoohouse> Nevermind, I just figured out if you leave the auth windo open long enough it will fail which causes google to ask if you want to auth with another method. I choose another method and it works now.
[17:08] <tomreyn> Franzo: disable them on discover, close discover, open discover, enable them on discover.
[17:09] <tomreyn> then close discover, then run: export LANG=C; sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[17:21] <tomreyn> Franzo: any luck?
[17:22] <tomreyn> you need to get this working, or you'll not get bug fixes and, more importantly, security patches
[17:23] <Franzo> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/n9ch
[17:24] <Franzo> It's like before
[17:27] <Franzo> I did all as you said
[17:43] <tomreyn> Franzo: oh its already configured, sorry, i must have missed it. so this looks fine
 Tomreyn: oh ok so what are those errors?
[18:09] <tomreyn> Franzpow: which errors are you referring to?
[18:09] <tomreyn> the output you last posted did not show any errors nor warnings
 @Franzo, Oh, I believed that those numbers were referring to errors
[18:31] <tomreyn> no, that's just informative output from the commands you were running
 Ok, Thank you!
[22:31] <anonymous_> b
[23:35] <Vieira> Hi, could you help me how to find the intel graphic card repository, i need to update the driver, but there is no repository and i don't now where to find it
[23:37] <valorie> Vieira: run ubuntu-drivers and it will find the driver you need
[23:38] <valorie> easiest way to do that is in krunner: alt+space
[23:38] <valorie> or alt+ F4
[23:38] <valorie> err, alt + f2
[23:38] <valorie> sorry
[23:38] <Vieira> its a 3rd generation intel driver, but iI don't find any updated driver
[23:39] <valorie> f4 closes the window
[23:40] <valorie> I found this in askubuntu: The Intel graphics driver is part of the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver package, which is installed on all Ubuntu systems by default. And since it isn't a proprietary driver package, it doesn't show up in jockey (aka the Hardware Drivers application).
[23:40] <valorie> no longer called jockey afaik
[23:40] <tomreyn> there won't be updates for it, other than !LTSE
[23:41] <tomreyn> and on newer kubuntu releases, of course
[23:41] <tomreyn> rather focus on what's not working and try to fix / work around it
[23:41] <valorie> another suggestion is to install mesa-utils
[23:42] <valorie> however I think that is installed by default
[23:42] <valorie> sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[23:43] <Vieira> i have tried to update by the default repository, but it says that its a broken package
[23:45] <Vieira> its missing some dependencies
[23:47] <tomreyn> what would "update by the default repository" look like, in a command line, if you can tell?
[23:47] <Vieira> xorg-video-abi23 and xserver-xorg-core
[23:47] <Vieira> are the missing dependecies
[23:48] <tomreyn> i think you did something nasty, installed a package from ... somewhere
[23:48] <tomreyn> you can gather some info on apt's state and share it with us:
[23:48] <Vieira> i didn't have any unofficial repository
[23:48] <tomreyn> sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[23:50] <Vieira> what really bothers me is that the intel repository is said as insecure
[23:51] <Vieira> the xorg repository i mean
[23:52] <tomreyn> which "xorg repositor" would that be?
[23:52] <tomreyn> +y
[23:52] <Vieira> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/intel-graphics-updates/ubuntu bionic InRelease
[23:53] <Vieira> its said that updating form this repository its not safe
[23:53] <Vieira> and that there is no file released there
 i didn't have any unofficial repository
[23:53] <tomreyn> Vieira: which kubuntu version are you running?
[23:53] <Vieira> kubuntu
[23:53] <Vieira> 18.04 lts
[23:54] <Vieira> with the kde-plasma, as you have guessed
[23:55] <OerHeks> that 3rd gen intel uses opengl 2.1, pretty old
[23:55] <Vieira> indeed
[23:58] <Vieira> have the intel abandoned the 3rd generation drivers at all?