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cyphermox#startmeeting Developer Membership Board15:00
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Oct 21 15:00:38 2019 UTC.  The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.15:00
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cyphermox#topic Review of previous action items15:01
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cyphermoxtsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know15:01
cyphermoxoh, and I was forgetting15:01
cyphermox#votesrequired 415:01
meetingologyvotes now need 4 to be passed15:01
cyphermox#voters cyphermox slashd rbasak sil2100 tsimonq2 jbicha micahg15:01
meetingologyWarning: Nick not in channel: jbicha15:01
meetingologyWarning: Nick not in channel: micahg15:01
meetingologyCurrent voters: cyphermox jbicha micahg rbasak sil2100 slashd tsimonq215:01
cyphermoxtsimonq2: you around?15:02
slashdo/15:02
sil2100uh oh15:02
cyphermoxok; carrying over I guess15:02
sil2100Yeah15:02
cyphermoxslashd to make ACL changes for xtrusia's successful contributing developer application15:02
cyphermoxreportedly done15:02
slashdit is indeed done ^15:02
cyphermoxslashd to announce xtrusia's successful contributing developer application (done)15:03
cyphermoxcool, so all done; I'll update the agenda afterwards15:03
sil2100\o/15:03
marcustomlinson:(15:03
cyphermoxExpiry policy for flavor developer team membership15:04
cyphermoxoops15:04
cyphermoxmarcustomlinson: what's wrong?15:04
marcustomlinsonwon't meet quorum today?15:04
cyphermoxso far we're not quorate, no15:04
cyphermoxbut there's a chance15:04
cyphermox#topic Expiry policy for flavor developer team membership15:04
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sil2100Well, so we have votes from Robie15:04
sil2100So we can vote I think15:04
cyphermoxah, good15:04
marcustomlinsonah I see, I misread "cool, so all done"15:04
cyphermoxwell, postpone expiry though?15:04
slashdcyphermox, sil2100 : we are good to proceed with vote today15:05
cyphermoxyes okay15:05
cyphermoxbut not quorate to discuss expiry policy?15:05
slashdright15:05
sil2100cyphermox: yeah, let's postpone the expiry15:05
cyphermoxand also, is there much to discuss or is it just implementing15:05
cyphermoxI think it's actually just implementing15:05
cyphermoxI'll take an action to actually start looking into a report for this at the very least15:06
cyphermox#action cyphermox to build report for expiry from dev teams15:06
meetingologyACTION: cyphermox to build report for expiry from dev teams15:06
cyphermox#topic DMB elections for the expired 2 members15:06
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cyphermoxso; me and jbicha had expired, because technically our term is over15:07
cyphermoxbut I've asked the TB to reinstate us so we could be useful long enough to get voting done15:07
cyphermoxany one of us familiar enough with condorcet to set this up?15:07
cyphermoxotherwise I'll ask Laney for how to do it ^15:07
cyphermoxI'll take that as a no ;)15:09
cyphermox#action cyphermox to setup nominations, voting for new DMB members15:09
meetingologyACTION: cyphermox to setup nominations, voting for new DMB members15:09
cyphermox#topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications15:09
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cyphermox#subtopic GunnarHj ibus-avro PPU15:10
cyphermoxGunnarHj doesn't seem to be around15:10
sil2100hmm15:10
sil2100Since it's just addition to the PPU, should we maybe just do it?15:11
sil2100I can't remember the procedures for this15:11
cyphermoxif it's consistent, if it was a pacakgeset15:12
cyphermoxbut this is PPU15:12
cyphermoxdepends on whether he can upload things to Debian15:12
cyphermoxI think we at least need more than just an email15:13
Laney"This way, any DMB member may update the glob expansions for Gunnar (by relying on their existing definition) without needing to refer to the full DMB for agreement or the TB to make the change. "15:13
Laneysince I got highlighted :-)15:13
sil2100Laney: ;)15:13
cyphermoxah, I didn't remember this one ;)15:13
cyphermoxLaney: thanks!15:13
sil2100\o/15:13
cyphermox#agreed15:13
cyphermoxso, JFDI15:13
cyphermoxsil2100: you want to do the honours?15:13
sil2100cyphermox: sure o/15:15
cyphermoxcool15:16
cyphermox#action sil2100 to update PPU for Gunnar, adding ibus-avro15:16
meetingologyACTION: sil2100 to update PPU for Gunnar, adding ibus-avro15:16
sil2100wheee15:16
cyphermox#subtopic marcustomlinson - LibreOffice PPU15:16
cyphermoxmarcustomlinson: hey hey15:16
marcustomlinsono/15:16
cyphermoxmarcustomlinson: Would you like to summarize why you're here today, and what your work has been on Ubuntu? We do have the wiki page but it's nice to hear anyway :)15:17
marcustomlinsonsure, I’ve been contributing to Ubuntu since late 201315:18
marcustomlinsonmuch of the first 4 years was Unity heavy15:18
marcustomlinsonin the last year I've been deeply involved in snap integration on Desktop and LibreOffice15:18
marcustomlinsonSince starting on Libreoffice we've gone from over 800 open bugs to under 400 :)15:18
marcustomlinsonand I've prepared probably around 15 or so releases15:19
marcustomlinsonthat's the short version :)15:19
cyphermoxawesome :)15:19
cyphermoxsil2100: rbasak: slashd: tsimonq2: any questions for marcustomlinson ?15:20
marcustomlinsonoh I see I've done 26 releases ;)15:22
slashdmarcustomlinson, at which point in the devel release you stop introducing new features ?15:22
marcustomlinsonfeature freeze15:23
slashdand how do you know when is the specific date ?15:23
marcustomlinsonGood question, I trust my team calendar at the mo15:24
slashdF is not out yet, by here's the one for eoan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseSchedule15:24
marcustomlinsonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseSchedule15:24
marcustomlinsonah too slow15:24
slashd;p15:25
sil2100marcustomlinson: let's say you uploaded a new libreoffice to focal but it seems to be stuck in -proposed - what and where would you look for reasons 'why'?15:25
sil2100How would you proceed?15:25
marcustomlinsonI'd ping a vanguard on #ubuntu-release15:25
sil2100What vanguard would you ping?15:27
sil2100And isn't there something you could investigate by yourself?15:27
marcustomlinsonI usually use the list here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates15:27
marcustomlinsondepending on day15:27
slashdmarcustomlinson, before pinging the vanguard, what can be done by yourself ?15:27
sil2100marcustomlinson: this is a focal upload, so for the development release - the SRU team doesn't really take care of the devel release ;)15:28
marcustomlinsonslashd: to be honest I don't know15:29
sil2100marcustomlinson: what about update_excuses?15:29
marcustomlinsonah ok15:29
sil2100marcustomlinson: did you have any experience with update_excuses so far?15:29
marcustomlinsonright, I always run all my autopkgtests before upload, but yes how it effects others15:29
marcustomlinsonsil2100: yes https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#nspr15:30
marcustomlinsonI fixed a funk s390x issue recently in fact15:30
cyphermox<315:31
marcustomlinsonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/183236015:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1832360 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "autopkgtests flaky on s390x" [Medium,Fix released]15:31
sil2100marcustomlinson: ok, just remember to always make sure to look at update_excuses for the uploads you make15:31
sil2100Anyway, I have no other questions15:31
marcustomlinsonsil2100: indeed, brain fart15:31
slashdno more questions as well15:31
cyphermoxokay15:32
cyphermox#vote marcustomlinson  to gain Per-package upload rights for libreoffice15:32
meetingologyPlease vote on: marcustomlinson  to gain Per-package upload rights for libreoffice15:32
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)15:32
cyphermoxhumm15:32
cyphermoxactually, is that wrong? because there are some satellite packages to libreoffice?15:32
marcustomlinsonsuch as? libreoffice-l10n?15:33
slashdcyphermox, should we also vote for contribution developer ? I see 2 application from marcustomlinson15:33
slashdppu + contrib developer15:33
cyphermoxcontrib developer is irrelevant if this vote passes :)15:34
cyphermoxmarcustomlinson: yes, libreoffice-l10n15:34
marcustomlinsonlibreoffice-l10n at least is not a thing anymore from Eoan (thanks to me - he says hinting at more votes :P)15:35
cyphermoxand IIRC some of your predecessors had once requested PPU for some other things15:35
marcustomlinsonbut yes for SRUs from D back I'll need that15:35
cyphermoxah, cool15:35
cyphermoxwell, let's vote on libreoffice first, and then we can (maybe) vote on adding l10n, if the rest of the board agrees to it15:35
cyphermoxvoting is already open; please cast your votes :)15:36
cyphermox+115:36
meetingology+1 received from cyphermox15:36
slashd+115:37
meetingology+1 received from slashd15:37
slashdsil2100, ?15:42
sil2100+115:43
meetingology+1 received from sil210015:43
sil2100(apologies, got pulled into a meeting)15:43
slashdWe also got an anticipated vote from rbasak (+1)15:43
cyphermoxthat's a +415:44
marcustomlinson\o/15:44
cyphermox#endvote15:44
meetingologyVoting ended on: marcustomlinson  to gain Per-package upload rights for libreoffice15:44
meetingologyVotes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:015:44
meetingologyMotion denied15:44
marcustomlinsonXD15:44
cyphermox#agreed Motion carried; meetingology is drunk15:44
slashdCongrats marcustomlinson !15:45
cyphermoxNow; why I said that contributing dev is irrelevant is because all it really gives you is Ubuntu Membership, which you get by being PPU unless you really didn't qualify15:45
marcustomlinsonwill I be added to ubuntu-developer-members?15:45
cyphermoxand a little wrench badge on Launchpad15:45
cyphermoxyep15:45
cyphermoxwell15:45
cyphermoxthat was my point15:45
cyphermoxyou'd be added to ~ubuntu-dev, which gets you membership15:45
slashdok15:46
marcustomlinsoncool :)15:46
cyphermoxthe only thing the other team gives you is the wrench badge15:46
cyphermoxI'm not opposed to adding that too if you really care ;)15:46
marcustomlinsonI like badges15:46
marcustomlinson:D15:46
cyphermoxbut really, it's just one more thing to renew membership for15:46
cyphermoxok15:46
cyphermoxvolunteers to do the team additions?15:46
slashdcyphermox, I'll do it15:47
cyphermox~ubuntu-dev; and ~ubuntu-developer-members15:47
marcustomlinsonthanks guys15:47
RikMillsmarcustomlinson: congrats15:47
cyphermoxI'm on purpose skipping voting on Contributing Developer, because as stated, marcustomlinson gets membership by having PPU rights.15:47
cyphermoxmarcustomlinson: congrats!15:47
cyphermox#topic MOTU Applications15:48
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marcustomlinsonsorry to budge in, libreoffice-l10n?15:48
cyphermoxoh, right15:49
cyphermoxsil2100: slashd: do you care? do you think this really must be voted on?15:49
slashdI'm good with it15:49
sil2100+1 on that15:50
cyphermoxokay then15:51
cyphermox#agreed Adding libreoffice-l10n to PPU for marcustomlinson as well, since it's a straightforward l10n satellite package to libreoffice15:51
marcustomlinsonawesome thanks15:51
cyphermoxoh, who does ACL? slashd you'll do it with teams?15:52
cyphermoxwe might need TB help15:52
cyphermox(I mean, alongside updating teams in LP)15:52
cyphermoxor I can deal with the ACL changes15:52
slashdcyphermox, ok I'll deal with the team add15:53
cyphermox#action slashd to add marcustomlinson to the right LP teams15:53
meetingologyACTION: slashd to add marcustomlinson to the right LP teams15:53
cyphermox#action cyphermox to update PPU for marcustomlinson, adding libreoffice and libreoffice-l10n15:53
meetingologyACTION: cyphermox to update PPU for marcustomlinson, adding libreoffice and libreoffice-l10n15:53
cyphermoxokay; am I forgetting anything before we move on to the other requests?15:53
cyphermoxdoes everyone still have the time so we can vote?15:54
slashdyeah I do15:54
slashdlet's take benefit of the quorum to do it15:54
cyphermoxyup15:54
cyphermox#subtopic rafaeldtinoco - MOTU and Ubuntu Server Developer15:54
rafaeldtinocoo/15:54
cyphermoxI'm a bit surprised that Ubuntu Server isn't a properly delegated team15:55
cpaelzercyphermox: I can only say this is as it was since before my time here and so far there never was a request/need to change it15:56
cpaelzerall of us went through DMB to get server upload rights and somewhen later to core-dev15:56
cyphermoxwell, I don't see any indication the DMB has rights to put people in ~ubuntu-server anyway15:56
cpaelzerwhen rbasak is available on another day you might ask about the history of it15:56
cyphermoxoh, then upload rights wouldn't be synced with team though15:57
cpaelzerbut it shouldn't block the discussion of rafaeldtinoco today15:57
cyphermoxno, no, just trying to understand what we need to be voting for.15:57
LaneyIt's ~ubuntu-server-dev15:57
sil2100I guess this is just about the MOTU permissions here15:57
rafaeldtinococyphermox: based on feedback - endorsements - I got from application, I'd like to to know if core-dev is also a possibility.15:57
cyphermoxwell, rbasak probably only gave his vote formally for motu, not core-dev15:59
cyphermoxI wouldn't want to assume he's +1 on that, even though he might be15:59
sil2100I think Robie said he had questions in case it was a core dev application16:00
cyphermoxokay16:00
cyphermoxthen yeah, we wouldn't be quorate to vote for core-dev16:00
rafaeldtinocosounds good to me16:00
cyphermoxserver or MOTU first?16:00
cyphermox#vote rafaeldtinoco to gain MOTU upload rights16:02
meetingologyPlease vote on: rafaeldtinoco to gain MOTU upload rights16:02
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)16:02
slashd+116:03
meetingology+1 received from slashd16:03
cyphermoxAlso, if there are questions, don't hesitate16:04
cyphermox+116:04
meetingology+1 received from cyphermox16:04
sil2100+116:05
meetingology+1 received from sil210016:05
cyphermoxwhat vote did rbasak leave us?16:05
slashd+1 from rbasak16:05
meetingology+1 from rbasak received from slashd16:05
rafaeldtinoco\o/16:05
cyphermoxalright; #envote16:05
cyphermox#endvote16:06
meetingologyVoting ended on: rafaeldtinoco to gain MOTU upload rights16:06
meetingologyVotes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:016:06
meetingologyMotion denied16:06
cyphermox#agreed Motion carried; rbasak left a vote +116:06
cyphermoxmeetingology: keep up.16:06
cyphermoxrafaeldtinoco: congrats16:06
RikMillsrafaeldtinoco: congratulations :)16:06
rafaeldtinocothx a lot!16:06
cyphermoxlet's vote for Server now16:06
cyphermox#vote rafaeldtinoco to gain Ubuntu Server upload rights16:06
meetingologyPlease vote on: rafaeldtinoco to gain Ubuntu Server upload rights16:06
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)16:06
slashd+116:07
meetingology+1 received from slashd16:07
cyphermox+116:07
meetingology+1 received from cyphermox16:07
sil2100+1 (seeing that ~4 people from server endorsed his application, makes sense!)16:09
meetingology+1 (seeing that ~4 people from server endorsed his application, makes sense!) received from sil210016:09
slashd+1 from rbasak16:10
meetingology+1 from rbasak received from slashd16:10
cyphermoxyup16:10
rafaeldtinoco\o/16:10
cyphermox#endvote16:10
meetingologyVoting ended on: rafaeldtinoco to gain Ubuntu Server upload rights16:10
meetingologyVotes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:016:10
meetingologyMotion denied16:10
cyphermox#agreed motion carried!16:10
slashdCongrats rafaeldtinoco16:10
sil2100;)16:10
rafaeldtinocothank you very much ! ill keep up with the work =)16:10
cyphermoxcongrats rafaeldtinoco16:10
sil2100rafaeldtinoco: congrats! Keep up the good work!16:10
rafaeldtinocothx!16:10
cyphermoxokay, volunteers to do team additions then?16:10
slashdcyphermox, I'll do it16:10
cyphermox#action  slashd to add rafaeldtinoco  to ~ubuntu-server-dev and ~motu16:11
meetingologyACTION: slashd to add rafaeldtinoco  to ~ubuntu-server-dev and ~motu16:11
cyphermox#topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign16:11
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cyphermoxare there any?16:11
cyphermoxlooks like negative16:12
cyphermox#topic Select a chair for the next meeting16:12
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cyphermoxI nominate...16:12
cyphermoxrbasak; he's not around to say no! ;)16:12
cyphermox(actually, trying to stick to the rotation)16:13
cyphermox#topic Any other business16:13
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cyphermoxanything else?16:13
cyphermoxI guess not16:14
slashdI think we are good16:14
cyphermox#endmeeting16:15
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Oct 21 16:15:00 2019 UTC.16:15
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-10-21-15.00.moin.txt16:15
cyphermoxthanks everyone!16:15
marcustomlinsonthanks!16:15
slashd\o16:15

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