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[08:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: I think we should have pi image. We have come a long way from 16.04.
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OjDGgVjTa1ioB8cqrWX7vL3uRA0ABu2F/view?usp=sharing
 ^^ @tsimonq2 @kc2bez wxl:
 Thanks @The_LoudSpeaker
 Umm I started recording a bit late so some of the beginning(2-3 mins) is missed but most of the talk is covered.
 Noted. Thanks for recording it.
 Thanks wxl: for being the guest. Couldn't have done it without him.
 Hello.  installed lubuntu 19.10, steam is not installed, has anyone encountered such a problem?
 Steam isn't part of lubuntu, you need to install it
 please tell me how.
 Unfortunately I'm not in my computer now, but I assume that you can install it with discover
 sudo apt install steam
 That could work
 in Discovery writes an error, I'll take a screenshot near the computer
 Try with terminal
 sudo apt install steam
[16:35] <apt-ghetto> https://itsfoss.com/install-steam-ubuntu-linux/
 @Арон [in Discovery writes an error, I'll take a screenshot near the computer], Oh, and please go to support channel, this is development
[17:08] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker re: pi, again, it's outside of our hands. it's Wimpress' (MATE) project that builds the pi images.
 Oh. I will message him then. I think we should have. Let's listen to what he says.
[17:18] <wxl> i mean to be fair, it affects mate, ubuntu, xubuntu, too
[17:19] <wxl> it always kind of was a nice side thing
 i had downloaded and installed ubuntu server for pi on a pi last month but I don't remember which version.
 Did ubuntu provide a 18.04 one?
[17:21] <wxl> https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/download/
[17:24] <wxl> there are core images for the pi 2 and 3 and snapdragon, etc http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/18/stable/current/
[17:24] <wxl> there are "arm64" images for server, but i doubt that is necessarily pi-friendly
[17:25] <wxl> oh but the pre-installs http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/18.04/release/
 I maybe had core or the preinstall one. However, we need a pi image of Lubuntu imo. What do others think?
 @tsimonq2 @kc2bez @HMollerCl @teward001 @guiverc @lynorian and others also.
 what did I miss? tl;dr
 @The_LoudSpeaker wants pi.
 sounds good. there should already be a task for that.
[17:43] <wxl> there's something of the sort, but dependent on oem
[17:43] <wxl> err maybe not
[17:43] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T27
[17:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Get Raspberry Pi images on the official infrastructure: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T27
[17:44] <wxl> that's a whole different ball of wax
[17:45] <wxl> oh hey look eoan is in meta-release now https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[17:45] <wxl> so a normal do-release-upgrade should work fine
 understood on the pi thing.
[17:47] <wxl> either way it's going to take pushing someone, whether it be canonical themselves or martin
 I should ping Wimpress then? Or @tsimonq2 should? The task's assigned to him.
[17:48] <kc2bez> There is always this route: https://bluesabre.org/2019/10/20/install-xubuntu-19-10-on-a-raspberry-pi-4/
[17:49] <wxl> well that task is not technically a task to proceed in the way we have proceeded... it's a task to get official lubuntu images on the normal canonical infrastructure rather than through the ubuntu pi flavor maker
[17:49] <wxl> that's for a 4, which technically is unsupported afaik
[17:49] <wxl> oh i stand corrected
[17:50] <kc2bez> True but you should be able to do it on an earlier pi
[17:50] <kc2bez> The base is the same
[17:51] <wxl> so raise your hand if you have a pi2+ and name your model? anyone got a 4?
[17:51] <wxl> also we need to make a new task: teleirc— he dead https://github.com/FruitieX/teleirc/commit/185b0ded66b7423b6c249858e8ed279266c6a8da
[17:52] <kc2bez> I have a 3b ( I think)
 Mine is 3b+
[17:53] <kc2bez> confirmed mine is the 3b+
[17:53] <wxl> i think i might have a 2 and i know i have a 3
[17:54] <wxl> so can one of ya'll try just installing lubuntu-desktop?
 @Dreamingwolf [Mine is 3b+], Same
[17:56] <kc2bez> Not sure if I will have time tonight but I think I can tomorrow.
 @wxl [<wxl> so can one of ya'll try just installing lubuntu-desktop?], Me. Tonight.
[17:56] <kc2bez> Have to go back AFK for a bit.
[18:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T27: Get Raspberry Pi images on the official infrastructure] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T27#2520
 if anyone has the opportunity, please install steam, from a store or terminal, to install or not?
[18:24] <wxl> !support
[19:29] <wxl> wow, serendipity re: pi https://mastodon.technology/@lubuntu/103007680781320812
[19:32]  * kc2bez guesses he should order a pi4
[19:33] <wxl> so it seems the problem i had with the kernel panic in vbox was based on too little resources.. 512mb was asking too much i guess
[19:34] <kc2bez> probably without swap. 
[19:34] <wxl> no, i've got swap
[19:34] <wxl> vbox doesn't seem to be using it at all
[19:35] <wxl> and tbh swap usage didn't increase with the additional load from vbox
[19:35] <wxl> curious
[19:35] <wxl> incidentially the issue was that it couldn't unpack the initramfs
[19:39] <kc2bez> that's interesting. 
 wxl: yeah for *setup* you need more than 512MB nowadays I think
 i ran into a similar problem trying to unpack Server on a 512MB RAM VM
[19:41] <kc2bez> I know I tried once with less than 512 once just to see if I could. I guess I need to re-run that. 
[19:42] <wxl> i understand with ubiquity but cala has always been pretty light
[19:44] <wxl> and in this case it's not even about the installer... this is core linux stuff
 I forgot to mention my findings on the file-picker. it looks like it is worse than we thought. it appears to be persistent across applications too.
[19:48] <wxl> wuzzat?
 @kc2bez resync us on context?
 we were looking at implementing a default for the wallpaper folder.
 ah
 so if I have a folder I selected for wallpaper then I open virtual box it looks for an iso in my wallpaper folder. or vice versa.
 it would be tough to set a default for any one thing with the current state.
[19:53] <wxl> wow rough
[19:53] <wxl> maybe that might make for a feature request? per-application memories?
 I should do some further testing and probably on other distros.
[19:55] <wxl> agree
 got it. I had installed ubuntu core on the pi. had to use ssh keys from my sso account
 downloading latest server images for pi
[19:59] <wxl> comment on that task when you figure it out
 sure.
[20:00] <wxl> elaborate on any details that need fleshed out.. maybe even start drafting our own version of the instructions
[20:00] <wxl> i think we can at least offer that immediately if it works while we working on longer term solutions such as originally intended
 Noted
 ughh!! 400KBps
 gg
[20:01] <wxl> how on earth we managed to skype is beyond me XD
 Microsoft proprietary voice compression *shot*
[20:02] <wxl> fair point
 the tp room has a higher bandwidth alloted
[20:04] <wxl> so go hide in there
 E: locked. guard not accepting bribes.
[20:05] <wxl> that's what tear gas is for
 lol!
 @kc2bez [I should do some further testing and probably on other distros.], Lxqt file picker? There are a lot of commits we don't habe
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> There is always this route: https://bluesabre.org/2019/10/20/install-xu …], What's the use of '^' here?
 Look up, over, above
 Previous post
 Like 👆
 Okay. What do I select as display manager?
 When installing lubuntu-desktop
 I have an option of lightdm and sddm
 sddm ?
 @wxl [<wxl> and tbh swap usage didn't increase with the additional load from vbox], yes sddm is default
 @lynorian [yes sddm is default], Ummm. You mean I should select sddm?
 yes
 I actually selected lightdm. 😶
 Too late
 Nevertheless, I will change it.
 @HMollerCl [Lxqt file picker? There are a lot of commits we don't habe], good point. I could actually try something closer to git.
 @kc2bez libfm-qt if I remember correctly.
[23:37] <kc2bez> yes, I think you are correct. 
[23:43] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker https://askubuntu.com/questions/211912/whats-the-caret-mean-in-apt-get
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker https://askubuntu.com/questions/211912/whats-the-caret-me …], thanks!
 aaaaaaaaaa, I thought in irc, telegram, jajajaj or hahhah
[23:45] <wxl> i caught that but i think it went over everyone's head XD
 it did
 it sure did
 I kept scrolling up XD
[23:46] <wxl> X'''''''''D
 I still didn't get it
 lite
[23:47] <wxl> don't get which? the link?
 has anyone used tora? a Qt *sql* client?
[23:47] <wxl> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[23:47] <wxl> (except i wouldn't use it because i just `psql`)
 it was in the repo until 19.04
[23:48] <wxl> ((and non-postgres is icky)) XD
 @wxl [<wxl> don't get which? the link?], Lite. I got the link. didn't get the joke or what @HMollerCl was trying to say
 84% installtion done
 @wxl [<wxl> ((and non-postgres is icky)) XD], it's for postgre too, https://github.com/tora-tool/tora
[23:48] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker you said "what does ^ mean?" and he said "it means look above"
[23:49] <wxl> you know like ^ look here Raman
 yeah gotcha!
 wxl https://github.com/tora-tool/tora/wiki
[23:50] <wxl> looks a lot cleaner than pgadmin
 tld;dr the problem is I still haven't been succesfull compiling it.
[23:51] <wxl> ah HA now we get to the point
 the problem with my pi setup is, I don't have an external monitor. I will have to use vnc and a bit of a tweak to get ssh initially but all good so far lets wait for installation to finish. … I will have to get a wifi router from home next time. I have only 1 lan port
 jaja, but won't try again today. Need to push changes for redshift-qt.
[23:52] <wxl> i presume you saw https://github.com/tora-tool/tora/blob/master/README.CMAKE ?
 yes
 I edited soem files, (libscitilla2 qt5 names are differnt now)
 that's the latest error I got https://github.com/tora-tool/tora/issues/94
 but he lines were alredy uncommented...
[23:56] <wxl> why not run build-dep against the 19.04 version?
 good idea,  it has a /debian in git but it's outdated.