lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/WnYaLyi.jpg I somehow got to teminal but the desktop is pretty empty00:14
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> looks like openbox isn't configured correctly00:15
wxlis sddm using the lubuntu session? 00:15
wxlmaybe dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-default-settings?00:16
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> also, I noticed some popups like XF86VolumeUp is not valid or something00:16
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> is sddm using the lubuntu session?], It is.00:16
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> maybe dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-default-settings?], one sec00:16
kc2bezI wonder if it might not be a VNC issue?00:16
wxlmight be00:17
wxltry using nomachine instead00:17
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> what's nomachine?00:18
wxli swear to god i'm going to set up an automated script that just sends whatever questions you ask to duckduckgo and returns the result here XD00:19
wxllivraisons uniquement00:19
wxlaww heck00:19
wxlbest remote desktop solution for any platform hands down00:19
kc2bezmaybe a duckduckgo bot?00:20
wxlbut only for raman :)00:20
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> XD00:21
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/pjaiEeN.jpg check this out00:22
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I am sure it's not a vnc issue. I will try dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-default-settings00:22
wxlthat is not the lubuntu session for sure00:23
wxlthat's the openbox session if i ever saw it00:23
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> that's the openbox session if i ever saw it], Yeah. Idk how to get to lubuntu-session00:24
wxlthrough sddm00:24
wxlwhich vnc probably can't handle well00:24
wxlbut nomachine could..............00:24
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Yeah. That.00:24
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Okay. Installing it now.00:24
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Mind if I do it tomorrow?00:24
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> It's almost 6am.00:25
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Okie. Bye.00:25
lubot<HMollerCl> we have to fix some openbox issues, btw. WM menu (when is available with lefgt click over desktop) does not work00:28
wxlthat should be trivial to fix but imho that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay low on the priority list00:28
wxllubuntu proper first, other non-traditional uses of lubuntu packages second00:29
lubot<HMollerCl> (Photo, 392x110) https://i.imgur.com/ImzoOPM.jpg00:29
wxlyeah i know00:30
wxlit's an openbox session setting.00:30
lubot<HMollerCl> yes, but I coudlnt foun it.00:31
wxlwell, it's in openbox00:31
wxland unfortunately openbox is so tightly tied to lxde that there are problems00:31
lubot<HMollerCl> anyway, already make my pull request for redshit-qt, I already did one and was accepeted so, it's moving. After this it will have teh same functionality as redshift-gtk and ppa ready.00:32
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> and unfortunately openbox is so tightly tied to lxde that there are proble …], Anyone tried any other window manager apart from openbox along with lxqt?00:32
wxlsure! lots. see upstream00:33
wxlkwin is common00:33
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @HMollerCl [anyway, already make my pull request for redshit-qt, I already did one and was a …], Pro!!00:33
kc2bezI did kwin with success in Lubuntu00:33
wxland for other window managers that aren't so toolkit specific (like awesome) it's nice, too00:33
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Which's better?00:34
kc2bezDebian has xfcewm00:34
wxlwait a minute00:34
wxldid you just ask which window manager is better?00:34
kc2bezI know what your answer is XD00:34
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> did you just ask which window manager is better?], Yeah. Coz openbox is clearly too blank.00:34
wxlthat's not openbox's problem00:34
wxlthat's the configuration00:34
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> I know what your answer is XD], i3 ?00:34
wxland asking what anything is better is silly00:35
kc2bezIt is an individual choice obviously00:35
kc2bezwxl is an Awesome fan though.00:35
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Okay but no tilling in openbox.00:35
wxlomg wthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh00:36
wxlwhy do people want to do fake tiling? just get a tiling window manager already!!!!00:36
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> wxl is an Awesome fan though.], Yeah. He showed that during the talk.00:36
wxlyeah everyone was all like "come on share your screen pleeeeeeeez"00:36
wxland i'm all like "look it's a terminal and a browser"00:36
lubot<HMollerCl> @The_LoudSpeaker [Yeah. He showed that during the talk.], oo, where is the link to the talk?00:37
wxl^ up there somewhere00:37
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> why do people want to do fake tiling? just get a tiling window manager alr …], Not every user would like to go to hassle of setting up a 2nd wm other than default installed.00:37
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OjDGgVjTa1ioB8cqrWX7vL3uRA0ABu2F/view?usp=shari …], @HMollerCl I forgot to tag you.00:38
lubot<HMollerCl> ooo it's a video!!! Now I know wxl face w/o helmet!!!!00:39
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> XD00:39
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> But there's a cap tho.00:40
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Still00:40
lubot<HMollerCl> yep00:41
lubot<HMollerCl> ubuntu cap00:41
lubot<HMollerCl> @The_LoudSpeaker if you want to compile.. https://github.com/hmollercl/redshift-qt/tree/allow_parameters00:42
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @HMollerCl [@The_LoudSpeaker if you want to compile.. https://github.com/hmollercl/redshift- …], Noted00:43
lubot<HMollerCl> instead of qmake you need to use https://github.com/hmollercl/redshift-qt/tree/allow_parameters00:43
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Ack.00:43
lubot<HMollerCl> ^that instead of qmake00:44
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> K.00:44
lubot<HMollerCl> because plain qmake is qt400:44
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Why isn't it qt5 if qt5 is latest release?00:45
lubot<HMollerCl> don't know, ask @tsimonq2 who is trying to change it.00:46
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lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/mvfGgZU.jpg This is what I land up into from nomachine. It is lubuntu-session only right?08:17
lubot<kc2bez> That is a LXQt session minus the artwork.08:21
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/sYVejrI.jpg I tried changing the "DefaultDesktopCommand" in nx node config to /usr/bin/lxqt-session but it is not starting08:21
lubot<kc2bez> You have a panel so I don't think that is an openbox session.08:22
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> me too08:22
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> the default value of "DefaultDesktopCommand" is /etc/X11/Xsession default"08:23
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> it is correct I suppose08:23
lubot<kc2bez> you might want to install artwork if it isn't already.08:24
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I will try08:24
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> its already there08:25
lubot<kc2bez> hmm wonder why default settings didn't apply it?08:25
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> wait. I did a dpkg-reconfigure of artwork08:27
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> then on connecting it took me to xscreensaver08:27
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> but disconnected08:27
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> input/output error08:27
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I will try a reboot.08:28
lubot<kc2bez> I can try later attached to a monitor too.08:28
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> yup! please do08:28
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/l0zfopF.jpg after reboot08:31
lubot<HMollerCl> please, could you help me support this? https://forum.lxqt.org/t/add-mapudungun-language-in-weblate/96611:50
lubot<HMollerCl> I hope I touch a fiber in agaida and tsujan.11:52
apt-ghettoThe_LoudSpeaker: Are you working on lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3?17:12
The_LoudSpeakerIt's on my list17:13
The_LoudSpeakerCan complete it tonight if it's urgent17:13
apt-ghettoJust asking17:14
apt-ghettoIn Debian it is packaged, so I guess you have to merge it into the Ubuntu repos and then SRU it into eoan17:14
wxl@kc2bez @Dreamingwolf have you tried to run the pi setup yourself to see if you can replicate raman's issue?18:27
lubot<HMollerCl> wxl: tora in disco is with Qt4, not Qt5 https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/tora19:49
wxl@HMollerCl i presume we're still working on the qt5 transition.. ask @tsimonq2 to be sure 19:50
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tewardremind me again, are Focal dailies available?19:57
tewardremind me where again?19:57
* teward is stupid because he lost the link19:57
wxlthe link is here https://lubuntu.me/downloads/19:58
tewardalso listed at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/201512/downloads :P19:58
wxlthat, too, but that build number will change over time19:58
lubot<lynorian> agreed19:58
tewardzsyncing now19:59
tewardbecause i need this to test something for Network Manager19:59
teward(I think nm-openvpn has a bug in it...)19:59
teward(a massive bug)19:59
teward(based on Debian testing)19:59
tewards/testing/Unstable testing/19:59
tewardneed to replicate in Focal xD19:59
lubot<kc2bez> @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez @Dreamingwolf have you tried to run the pi setup yourself to see i …], haven't had a chance yet today.20:08
lubot<kc2bez> hope to get to it tonight.20:08
wxli just find it strange that it would default to anything but the lubuntu session20:09
wxlin fact, it would be interesting to just boot up a vm of some other flavor, install lubuntu-desktop and see what happens20:09
lubot<teward001> ... well that's not good20:21
lubot<teward001> "E: Release File for http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 2h 12m).  Updates for this repository will not be applied."20:22
lubot<kc2bez> is time accurate?20:22
lubot<teward001> it's a VM and it should be20:23
lubot<kc2bez> weird20:24
lubot<teward001> time set manually, TZ set to local, same error20:24
lubot<teward001> i wonder if APT has a bug in it20:24
teward> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:52:21 UTC20:28
tewardfrom the InRelease file20:28
lubot<kc2bez> 20:30 right now so it should be good.20:30
lubot<teward001> yeah it looks like the ISO was ignoring RTC Clock which on my system is UTC set20:30
lubot<teward001> and aplying that + 420:30
lubot<teward001> which is *odd*20:30
lubot<kc2bez> very20:31
lubot<teward001> ... ew okay...20:32
lubot<teward001> nm-tray now launches only nmcli to configure the networking20:32
lubot<teward001> that... sounds like a bad thing :/20:32
lubot<teward001> (when you try and edit configs from the tray itself)20:33
lubot<teward001> going to the launch bar, Preferences > Advanced Network Configuration brings up the expected config GUI20:33
lubot<teward001> (something I noticed in Debian Unstable as well)20:34
tewardkc2bez: not sure where to file it, but Lubuntu Daily, Manual Partitioning, E:CRASH20:36
tewardduring the installer20:36
teward... but only after you return to the partitioning screen *after* choosing "Erase Drive" and hitting Next once.20:36
tewardso if you decide later to change the partitioning layout it'll explode20:37
tewardand you have to rerun install from start20:37
kc2bezIs that on focal reward ?20:42
kc2bezdang auto correct20:43
tewardoh fun fact it's not accepting the LUKS input from keyboard in a VM either if you LUKS encrypt it20:43
tewardand that's *new* issues there20:43
kc2bezit should. I know it does in eoan20:43
tewardit doesn't in a VM in Focal20:44
tewardwhich is new20:44
tewardthat's why i said that's a new issue20:44
tewardi'll have to dig more20:44
kc2bezI tested both qemu and virtual box. 20:44
tewardbut for now, to reinstall with "Clean"20:44
tewardVMware might be different20:44
tewardand is likely to be a utilized VM env kc2bez20:44
tewardi have VMware :P20:44
kc2bezmakes sense20:44
kc2bezI use what I have :P20:45
tewardwhat's *real* odd?20:45
tewardDebian Unstable, LUKS, works *fine*20:45
tewardwouldn't hurt to test QEMU and VBox yourself though just to be sure for the dailies20:47
tewardwho knows what chaos has been introduced xD20:47
kc2bezI haven't really done any tests on focal yet20:47
kc2bezI will give it a try though20:48
tewardcool.  I need to try Eoan and Bionic to for the bug I'm looking at in OpenVPN GNOME toolkits though20:48
tewardjust finding *other* bugs in the interim while getting to the point I can do the testing :P20:48
lubot<teward001> kc2bez: this is a new one - "Failed to request VPN secrets: No agents were available for this request"21:00
wxlthat might be related to the qtpass bug.... ?21:02
lubot<teward001> possibly21:02
lubot<teward001> testing one thing though21:02
lubot<teward001> and running nm-applet to see if it's really what I think the problem is...21:02
wxlbut no, i think that's gpg-specific21:02
lubot<teward001> it's nm-tray21:02
ubot93Launchpad bug 1829693 in qtpass (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu Daily ISO (May 19) QtPass error 'GnuPG not found'" [Undecided, Confirmed]21:02
lubot<teward001> it doesn't provide a prompter21:02
lubot<teward001> so you can't do VPN Prompt For Credentials21:02
lubot<teward001> it works in nm-applet though21:02
lubot<teward001> which is NOT running in Lubuntu Daily21:03
wxli know @HMollerCl has worked hard on vpn/nm stuff21:03
wxlnm-tray is limited for advanced situations21:03
lubot<teward001> @HMollerCl well, apparently, not enough.21:03
lubot<teward001> wxl: and... why aren't we using nm-applet21:03
lubot<teward001> i ask this becuase nm-tray NOW launches nmcli to edit configurations21:04
lubot<teward001> NOT a GUI config interface21:04
lubot<teward001> if you try and edit connections via nm-tray21:04
wxluse the "advanced networking configuration"21:04
lubot<teward001> wxl: not why i was asking21:04
lubot<teward001> because of the advanced nature of SOME VPN setups such as ask-after-initial-handshake 2FA you're going ito have problems with nm-tray21:04
wxlnm-tray doesn't have a GUI config interface, that's why21:04
lubot<teward001> also not why i'm asking why we're using nm-tray over nm-applet21:05
lubot<teward001> *smacks wxl a few times*21:05
lubot<teward001> the question is:21:05
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Native nm-tray connection editor: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T2921:05
lubot<teward001> why are we using nm-tray and not nm-applet21:05
wxlbecause qt21:05
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Native nm-tray connection editor] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#253021:07
lubot<teward001> ^ i added an additional consideration concern there21:07
lubot<teward001> unrelated, nm-applet seems to work fine for what i need so I guess until T29 has extra work done on it I'll run a bastardized Lubuntu Focal21:07
wxlto be clear, you DID use the advanced networking configuration to confirm this?21:08
lubot<teward001> yes21:08
lubot<teward001> that's the only way to add VPN connections21:08
lubot<teward001> BUT21:08
lubot<teward001> you can't *activate* VPN connections from the config manager21:08
lubot<teward001> and nm-tray has no GUI Agent to handle password/credential requests21:09
lubot<teward001> which is the concern I'm voicing21:09
lubot<teward001> because without the ability to handle prompts or cred requests, it will explode in your face21:09
lubot<teward001> and not be able to process connections, esp. where password/cred prompts change due to 2FA being tacked on21:09
lubot<teward001> so in the case of my workplace, which has OpenVPN + TOTP 2FA added to the end of the password string...21:09
lubot<teward001> can't use nm-tray, must use nm-applet or it will fail21:10
lubot<teward001> confirmed this in Debian too when I pulled out connman and used network manager instead21:10
wxlconman fails similarly?21:10
tewardconnman has no OpenVPN interface21:10
tewardso I had to rip it out to work properly with what I needed21:11
tewardor, more *specifically*21:11
wxlalso: ugh21:11
tewardit doesn't have an *advanced* OpenVPN interface.21:11
tewardwhich i need to configure options in it21:11
teward... huh looks like OPenSSL issues are resolved in *buntu21:12
tewardbut not Debian buster21:12
teward(relevant: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=933177 is what I was testing for, in Lubuntu Focal, because it needs GUI modification and patch implementation to add two config arguments to OpenVPN config in network manager to work proper)21:12
ubot93Debian bug 933177 in network-manager-openvpn "network-manager-openvpn: unable to connect after upgrade to buster due to new OpenSSL minimum TLS version" [Important, Open]21:12
lubot<teward001> but I don't think OpenSSL default-disables TLS 1.0/1.1 in Ubuntu yet21:13
lubot<teward001> *goes to bother Security team*21:13
wxl@teward001 you mentioned someonthing about manual partitioning failed.. what scheme did you use?21:14
lubot<teward001> wxl: failed as in E:CRASH21:14
lubot<teward001> IF you go into the installer and do "Erase Disk", hit "Next", then go back and choose Manual Partitioning21:14
lubot<teward001> edge case I know but 😜21:14
lubot<teward001> the failure case was in a VMware VM the prompt for the creds for the LUKS decryption weren't accepting keyboard input from the console21:15
lubot<teward001> which is really weird21:15
lubot<teward001> s/failure case/other failure case/21:15
wxlcan't reproduce in vbox or i don't understand clearly the steps to reproduce21:15
lubot<teward001> i'll do more tests later21:15
lubot<teward001> when I am home21:15
wxlis luks a requirement here?21:15
lubot<teward001> for now, EOD.21:15
lubot<teward001> wxl: didn't even get to the install step for the E:INSTALLERCRASH fail21:16
lubot<teward001> the second issue was post-install with encryption selected21:16
lubot<teward001> which used LUKS21:16
lubot<teward001> but meh21:16
lubot<teward001> as i said21:16
lubot<teward001> i'll test more when I get home21:16
lubot<teward001> I"m heading home now.21:16
wxlclear steps to reproduce, please, if you get something21:17
wxldoing efi/luks/erase disk/internet now.. so far so good21:19
lubot<HMollerCl> @teward001 [@HMollerCl well, apparently, not enough.], 1.- nm-tray open the cli by default, we changed it21:30
lubot<HMollerCl> 2.- I've only used pptp (work issues=21:31
lubot<HMollerCl> 3.- nm-tray cannot ask for VPN password21:31
lubot<Dreamingwolf> @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez @Dreamingwolf have you tried to run the pi setup yourself to see i …], I've been on the road in semi. Won't see my pi till Fri afternoon. But will definitely try it then.21:33
wxlmy install worked so i think thomas is broken21:34
kc2bezgood to know21:37
kc2bezI will try too21:37
kc2bezjust not right now21:37
wxlmight be good to try not-vbox21:38
wxlhmmm bummer:21:38
wxldpkg-query: no packages found matching teward21:38
wxli tried to file a bug against him. boo.21:38
kc2bezI have qemu, I will give that I try. 21:39
tewardIt could be VMware specific but :P21:39
wxlquite possibly21:39
tewardVMWare Player would he able to replicate theoretically.21:39
wxli've never once used vmware21:40
tewardBut i will test more when home21:40
tewardWxl: my test env is a VMware ESXi hypervisor cluster so21:40
wxla common environment for lubuntu i'm sure XD21:40
tewardI mean the only other similarly functional env on VMs is RHEL because something about it manages the memleaks on GNOME out of the box lol21:41
tewardAnd RHEL is expensive and evil so21:41
kc2bezI was able to unlock the luks partition in qemu. The keyboard worked there. 22:01
wxljust `ubuntu-bug teward`. oh wait, that didn't work. i forgot.22:02
teward*salts wxl*22:02
teward*forces wxl to use a DOS 1.0 prompt for everything now*22:03
wxldude, i actually loved DOS22:03
tewardtraitor xD22:03
tewardoh i know...22:03
teward*forces wxl to use Windows ME*22:03
kc2bezWell I mostly wanted to test myself to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. I may still be losing it but not on this particular issue. 22:03
wxlthat's kind of yucky22:03
wxlbut not the worst thing you could say22:03
tewardwe all losing it lol22:04
* wxl forces teward to use PowerShell....... for everything22:04
tewardwxl: would you prefer Gentoo?  :P22:04
tewardwxl: I already do at work lol22:04
wxlwell then hahahahahahah22:04
wxlno wonder you're so cranky all the time X'''''''''''''D22:04
kc2bezGentoo in my pocket. 22:04
kc2bezfairly custom but...22:05
tewardyeah managing exchange servers is a [CENSORED] because now 90% of config options have to be PowerShelled now22:05
wxloh yeah i forgot you do exchange servers, too. wow, i feel terrible for you.22:05
kc2bezPS is ick but necessary at the same time. 22:05
kc2bezI make the other guys deal with it. :P22:07

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