[00:14] (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/WnYaLyi.jpg I somehow got to teminal but the desktop is pretty empty [00:15] looks like openbox isn't configured correctly [00:15] is sddm using the lubuntu session? [00:16] maybe dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-default-settings? [00:16] also, I noticed some popups like XF86VolumeUp is not valid or something [00:16] @wxl [ is sddm using the lubuntu session?], It is. [00:16] @wxl [ maybe dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-default-settings?], one sec [00:16] I wonder if it might not be a VNC issue? [00:17] might be [00:17] try using nomachine instead [00:18] what's nomachine? [00:19] i swear to god i'm going to set up an automated script that just sends whatever questions you ask to duckduckgo and returns the result here XD [00:19] livraisons uniquement [00:19] aww heck [00:19] https://www.nomachine.com/ [00:19] there [00:19] best remote desktop solution for any platform hands down [00:20] maybe a duckduckgo bot? [00:20] yeah [00:20] but only for raman :) [00:20] XD [00:21] XD [00:22] (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/pjaiEeN.jpg check this out [00:22] I am sure it's not a vnc issue. I will try dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-default-settings [00:23] that is not the lubuntu session for sure [00:23] that's the openbox session if i ever saw it [00:24] @wxl [ that's the openbox session if i ever saw it], Yeah. Idk how to get to lubuntu-session [00:24] through sddm [00:24] which vnc probably can't handle well [00:24] but nomachine could.............. [00:24] Yeah. That. [00:24] Okay. Installing it now. [00:24] Mind if I do it tomorrow? [00:25] It's almost 6am. [00:25] whenevr [00:25] Okie. Bye. [00:28] we have to fix some openbox issues, btw. WM menu (when is available with lefgt click over desktop) does not work [00:28] that should be trivial to fix but imho that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay low on the priority list [00:29] lubuntu proper first, other non-traditional uses of lubuntu packages second [00:29] (Photo, 392x110) https://i.imgur.com/ImzoOPM.jpg [00:30] yeah i know [00:30] it's an openbox session setting. [00:31] yes, but I coudlnt foun it. [00:31] well, it's in openbox [00:31] and unfortunately openbox is so tightly tied to lxde that there are problems [00:32] anyway, already make my pull request for redshit-qt, I already did one and was accepeted so, it's moving. After this it will have teh same functionality as redshift-gtk and ppa ready. [00:32] @wxl [ and unfortunately openbox is so tightly tied to lxde that there are proble …], Anyone tried any other window manager apart from openbox along with lxqt? [00:33] sure! lots. see upstream [00:33] kwin is common [00:33] @HMollerCl [anyway, already make my pull request for redshit-qt, I already did one and was a …], Pro!! [00:33] I did kwin with success in Lubuntu [00:33] and for other window managers that aren't so toolkit specific (like awesome) it's nice, too [00:34] Which's better? [00:34] Debian has xfcewm [00:34] wait a minute [00:34] did you just ask which window manager is better? [00:34] I know what your answer is XD [00:34] @wxl [ did you just ask which window manager is better?], Yeah. Coz openbox is clearly too blank. [00:34] that's not openbox's problem [00:34] that's the configuration [00:34] @kc2bez [ I know what your answer is XD], i3 ? [00:35] and asking what anything is better is silly [00:35] It is an individual choice obviously [00:35] wxl is an Awesome fan though. [00:35] Okay but no tilling in openbox. [00:36] yep [00:36] omg wthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [00:36] why do people want to do fake tiling? just get a tiling window manager already!!!! [00:36] @kc2bez [ wxl is an Awesome fan though.], Yeah. He showed that during the talk. [00:36] yeah everyone was all like "come on share your screen pleeeeeeeez" [00:36] and i'm all like "look it's a terminal and a browser" [00:37] XD [00:37] @The_LoudSpeaker [Yeah. He showed that during the talk.], oo, where is the link to the talk? [00:37] ^ up there somewhere [00:37] @wxl [ why do people want to do fake tiling? just get a tiling window manager alr …], Not every user would like to go to hassle of setting up a 2nd wm other than default installed. [00:38] @The_LoudSpeaker [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OjDGgVjTa1ioB8cqrWX7vL3uRA0ABu2F/view?usp=shari …], @HMollerCl I forgot to tag you. [00:39] ooo it's a video!!! Now I know wxl face w/o helmet!!!! [00:39] XD [00:40] But there's a cap tho. [00:40] Still [00:41] yep [00:41] ubuntu cap [00:42] @The_LoudSpeaker if you want to compile.. https://github.com/hmollercl/redshift-qt/tree/allow_parameters [00:43] @HMollerCl [@The_LoudSpeaker if you want to compile.. https://github.com/hmollercl/redshift- …], Noted [00:43] instead of qmake you need to use https://github.com/hmollercl/redshift-qt/tree/allow_parameters [00:43] Ack. [00:44] ^that instead of qmake [00:44] K. [00:44] because plain qmake is qt4 [00:45] Why isn't it qt5 if qt5 is latest release? [00:46] don't know, ask @tsimonq2 who is trying to change it. [01:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL29c9ca9ae04f: Add show hidden] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL29c9ca9ae04f [01:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL79d6c7f81283: Add checkbox to end of sentence] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL79d6c7f81283 [01:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL58ed7d3e58d2: Reword Go --> Application] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL58ed7d3e58d2 [01:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL052362fd4513: Remove extra space] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL052362fd4513 [02:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8c3c647b01e8: Remove extra space] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8c3c647b01e8 [03:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe65062ff4db5: Add pcmanfm-qt compress screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe65062ff4db5 [03:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL01130ef9f552: Remove uneeded whitespace] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL01130ef9f552 [08:17] (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/mvfGgZU.jpg This is what I land up into from nomachine. It is lubuntu-session only right? [08:21] That is a LXQt session minus the artwork. [08:21] (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/sYVejrI.jpg I tried changing the "DefaultDesktopCommand" in nx node config to /usr/bin/lxqt-session but it is not starting [08:22] You have a panel so I don't think that is an openbox session. [08:22] me too [08:23] the default value of "DefaultDesktopCommand" is /etc/X11/Xsession default" [08:23] it is correct I suppose [08:24] you might want to install artwork if it isn't already. [08:24] I will try [08:25] its already there [08:25] hmm wonder why default settings didn't apply it? [08:27] wait. I did a dpkg-reconfigure of artwork [08:27] then on connecting it took me to xscreensaver [08:27] but disconnected [08:27] input/output error [08:28] I will try a reboot. [08:28] I can try later attached to a monitor too. [08:28] yup! please do [08:31] (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/l0zfopF.jpg after reboot [11:50] please, could you help me support this? https://forum.lxqt.org/t/add-mapudungun-language-in-weblate/966 [11:52] I hope I touch a fiber in agaida and tsujan. [17:12] The_LoudSpeaker: Are you working on lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3? [17:13] It's on my list [17:13] Can complete it tonight if it's urgent [17:14] Just asking [17:14] In Debian it is packaged, so I guess you have to merge it into the Ubuntu repos and then SRU it into eoan [17:15] noted. [18:27] @kc2bez @Dreamingwolf have you tried to run the pi setup yourself to see if you can replicate raman's issue? [19:49] wxl: tora in disco is with Qt4, not Qt5 https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/tora [19:50] @HMollerCl i presume we're still working on the qt5 transition.. ask @tsimonq2 to be sure [19:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL36e0e6bf4008: Add +x to score] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL36e0e6bf4008 [19:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe7061021ad0f: Reword moving things back to normal layer in window management] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe7061021ad0f [19:57] remind me again, are Focal dailies available? [19:57] yep [19:57] remind me where again? [19:57] um [19:57] cdimage.ubuntu.com [19:57] * teward is stupid because he lost the link [19:58] the link is here https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ [19:58] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/focal-desktop-amd64.iso [19:58] also listed at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/201512/downloads :P [19:58] that, too, but that build number will change over time [19:58] true [19:58] agreed [19:59] zsyncing now [19:59] because i need this to test something for Network Manager [19:59] (I think nm-openvpn has a bug in it...) [19:59] (a massive bug) [19:59] (based on Debian testing) [19:59] s/testing/Unstable testing/ [19:59] need to replicate in Focal xD [20:08] @wxl [ @kc2bez @Dreamingwolf have you tried to run the pi setup yourself to see i …], haven't had a chance yet today. [20:08] hope to get to it tonight. [20:09] i just find it strange that it would default to anything but the lubuntu session [20:09] in fact, it would be interesting to just boot up a vm of some other flavor, install lubuntu-desktop and see what happens [20:21] ... well that's not good [20:22] "E: Release File for http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 2h 12m). Updates for this repository will not be applied." [20:22] is time accurate? [20:23] it's a VM and it should be [20:24] weird [20:24] time set manually, TZ set to local, same error [20:24] i wonder if APT has a bug in it [20:28] > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:52:21 UTC [20:28] from the InRelease file [20:30] 20:30 right now so it should be good. [20:30] yeah it looks like the ISO was ignoring RTC Clock which on my system is UTC set [20:30] and aplying that + 4 [20:30] which is *odd* [20:31] very [20:32] ... ew okay... [20:32] nm-tray now launches only nmcli to configure the networking [20:32] that... sounds like a bad thing :/ [20:33] (when you try and edit configs from the tray itself) [20:33] going to the launch bar, Preferences > Advanced Network Configuration brings up the expected config GUI [20:34] (something I noticed in Debian Unstable as well) [20:35] oops [20:36] kc2bez: not sure where to file it, but Lubuntu Daily, Manual Partitioning, E:CRASH [20:36] during the installer [20:36] ... but only after you return to the partitioning screen *after* choosing "Erase Drive" and hitting Next once. [20:37] so if you decide later to change the partitioning layout it'll explode [20:37] and you have to rerun install from start [20:42] Is that on focal reward ? [20:42] yep [20:43] dang auto correct [20:43] oh fun fact it's not accepting the LUKS input from keyboard in a VM either if you LUKS encrypt it [20:43] and that's *new* issues there [20:43] it should. I know it does in eoan [20:44] it doesn't in a VM in Focal [20:44] which is new [20:44] that's why i said that's a new issue [20:44] i'll have to dig more [20:44] I tested both qemu and virtual box. [20:44] but for now, to reinstall with "Clean" [20:44] VMware might be different [20:44] and is likely to be a utilized VM env kc2bez [20:44] i have VMware :P [20:44] makes sense [20:45] I use what I have :P [20:45] what's *real* odd? [20:45] Debian Unstable, LUKS, works *fine* [20:45] sooooo [20:47] wouldn't hurt to test QEMU and VBox yourself though just to be sure for the dailies [20:47] who knows what chaos has been introduced xD [20:47] I haven't really done any tests on focal yet [20:48] I will give it a try though [20:48] cool. I need to try Eoan and Bionic to for the bug I'm looking at in OpenVPN GNOME toolkits though [20:48] just finding *other* bugs in the interim while getting to the point I can do the testing :P [21:00] kc2bez: this is a new one - "Failed to request VPN secrets: No agents were available for this request" [21:02] that might be related to the qtpass bug.... ? [21:02] possibly [21:02] testing one thing though [21:02] and running nm-applet to see if it's really what I think the problem is... [21:02] but no, i think that's gpg-specific [21:02] it's nm-tray [21:02] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtpass/+bug/1829693 [21:02] Launchpad bug 1829693 in qtpass (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu Daily ISO (May 19) QtPass error 'GnuPG not found'" [Undecided, Confirmed] [21:02] it doesn't provide a prompter [21:02] so you can't do VPN Prompt For Credentials [21:02] it works in nm-applet though [21:03] which is NOT running in Lubuntu Daily [21:03] i know @HMollerCl has worked hard on vpn/nm stuff [21:03] nm-tray is limited for advanced situations [21:03] @HMollerCl well, apparently, not enough. [21:03] wxl: and... why aren't we using nm-applet [21:04] i ask this becuase nm-tray NOW launches nmcli to edit configurations [21:04] NOT a GUI config interface [21:04] if you try and edit connections via nm-tray [21:04] use the "advanced networking configuration" [21:04] wxl: not why i was asking [21:04] because of the advanced nature of SOME VPN setups such as ask-after-initial-handshake 2FA you're going ito have problems with nm-tray [21:04] nm-tray doesn't have a GUI config interface, that's why [21:05] also not why i'm asking why we're using nm-tray over nm-applet [21:05] *smacks wxl a few times* [21:05] the question is: [21:05] https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29 [21:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Native nm-tray connection editor: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29 [21:05] why are we using nm-tray and not nm-applet [21:05] because qt [21:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Native nm-tray connection editor] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#2530 [21:07] ^ i added an additional consideration concern there [21:07] unrelated, nm-applet seems to work fine for what i need so I guess until T29 has extra work done on it I'll run a bastardized Lubuntu Focal [21:08] to be clear, you DID use the advanced networking configuration to confirm this? [21:08] yes [21:08] that's the only way to add VPN connections [21:08] BUT [21:08] you can't *activate* VPN connections from the config manager [21:09] and nm-tray has no GUI Agent to handle password/credential requests [21:09] which is the concern I'm voicing [21:09] because without the ability to handle prompts or cred requests, it will explode in your face [21:09] and not be able to process connections, esp. where password/cred prompts change due to 2FA being tacked on [21:09] so in the case of my workplace, which has OpenVPN + TOTP 2FA added to the end of the password string... [21:10] can't use nm-tray, must use nm-applet or it will fail [21:10] confirmed this in Debian too when I pulled out connman and used network manager instead [21:10] conman fails similarly? [21:10] connman has no OpenVPN interface [21:11] so I had to rip it out to work properly with what I needed [21:11] s/interface/integration/ [21:11] huh [21:11] or, more *specifically* [21:11] also: ugh [21:11] it doesn't have an *advanced* OpenVPN interface. [21:11] which i need to configure options in it [21:12] ... huh looks like OPenSSL issues are resolved in *buntu [21:12] but not Debian buster [21:12] (relevant: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=933177 is what I was testing for, in Lubuntu Focal, because it needs GUI modification and patch implementation to add two config arguments to OpenVPN config in network manager to work proper) [21:12] Debian bug 933177 in network-manager-openvpn "network-manager-openvpn: unable to connect after upgrade to buster due to new OpenSSL minimum TLS version" [Important, Open] [21:13] but I don't think OpenSSL default-disables TLS 1.0/1.1 in Ubuntu yet [21:13] *goes to bother Security team* [21:14] @teward001 you mentioned someonthing about manual partitioning failed.. what scheme did you use? [21:14] wxl: failed as in E:CRASH [21:14] IF you go into the installer and do "Erase Disk", hit "Next", then go back and choose Manual Partitioning [21:14] edge case I know but 😜 [21:15] the failure case was in a VMware VM the prompt for the creds for the LUKS decryption weren't accepting keyboard input from the console [21:15] which is really weird [21:15] s/failure case/other failure case/ [21:15] can't reproduce in vbox or i don't understand clearly the steps to reproduce [21:15]