 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/WnYaLyi.jpg I somehow got to teminal but the desktop is pretty empty
 looks like openbox isn't configured correctly
[00:15] <wxl> is sddm using the lubuntu session? 
[00:16] <wxl> maybe dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-default-settings?
 also, I noticed some popups like XF86VolumeUp is not valid or something
 @wxl [<wxl> is sddm using the lubuntu session?], It is.
 @wxl [<wxl> maybe dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-default-settings?], one sec
[00:16] <kc2bez> I wonder if it might not be a VNC issue?
[00:17] <wxl> might be
[00:17] <wxl> try using nomachine instead
 what's nomachine?
[00:19] <wxl> i swear to god i'm going to set up an automated script that just sends whatever questions you ask to duckduckgo and returns the result here XD
[00:19] <wxl> livraisons uniquement
[00:19] <wxl> aww heck
[00:19] <wxl> https://www.nomachine.com/
[00:19] <wxl> there
[00:19] <wxl> best remote desktop solution for any platform hands down
[00:20] <kc2bez> maybe a duckduckgo bot?
[00:20] <wxl> yeah
[00:20] <wxl> but only for raman :)
[00:20] <kc2bez> XD
 XD
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/pjaiEeN.jpg check this out
 I am sure it's not a vnc issue. I will try dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-default-settings
[00:23] <wxl> that is not the lubuntu session for sure
[00:23] <wxl> that's the openbox session if i ever saw it
 @wxl [<wxl> that's the openbox session if i ever saw it], Yeah. Idk how to get to lubuntu-session
[00:24] <wxl> through sddm
[00:24] <wxl> which vnc probably can't handle well
[00:24] <wxl> but nomachine could..............
 Yeah. That.
 Okay. Installing it now.
 Mind if I do it tomorrow?
 It's almost 6am.
[00:25] <wxl> whenevr
 Okie. Bye.
 we have to fix some openbox issues, btw. WM menu (when is available with lefgt click over desktop) does not work
[00:28] <wxl> that should be trivial to fix but imho that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay low on the priority list
[00:29] <wxl> lubuntu proper first, other non-traditional uses of lubuntu packages second
 (Photo, 392x110) https://i.imgur.com/ImzoOPM.jpg
[00:30] <wxl> yeah i know
[00:30] <wxl> it's an openbox session setting.
 yes, but I coudlnt foun it.
[00:31] <wxl> well, it's in openbox
[00:31] <wxl> and unfortunately openbox is so tightly tied to lxde that there are problems
 anyway, already make my pull request for redshit-qt, I already did one and was accepeted so, it's moving. After this it will have teh same functionality as redshift-gtk and ppa ready.
 @wxl [<wxl> and unfortunately openbox is so tightly tied to lxde that there are proble …], Anyone tried any other window manager apart from openbox along with lxqt?
[00:33] <wxl> sure! lots. see upstream
[00:33] <wxl> kwin is common
 @HMollerCl [anyway, already make my pull request for redshit-qt, I already did one and was a …], Pro!!
[00:33] <kc2bez> I did kwin with success in Lubuntu
[00:33] <wxl> and for other window managers that aren't so toolkit specific (like awesome) it's nice, too
 Which's better?
[00:34] <kc2bez> Debian has xfcewm
[00:34] <wxl> wait a minute
[00:34] <wxl> did you just ask which window manager is better?
[00:34] <kc2bez> I know what your answer is XD
 @wxl [<wxl> did you just ask which window manager is better?], Yeah. Coz openbox is clearly too blank.
[00:34] <wxl> that's not openbox's problem
[00:34] <wxl> that's the configuration
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> I know what your answer is XD], i3 ?
[00:35] <wxl> and asking what anything is better is silly
[00:35] <kc2bez> It is an individual choice obviously
[00:35] <kc2bez> wxl is an Awesome fan though.
 Okay but no tilling in openbox.
[00:36] <wxl> yep
[00:36] <wxl> omg wthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[00:36] <wxl> why do people want to do fake tiling? just get a tiling window manager already!!!!
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> wxl is an Awesome fan though.], Yeah. He showed that during the talk.
[00:36] <wxl> yeah everyone was all like "come on share your screen pleeeeeeeez"
[00:36] <wxl> and i'm all like "look it's a terminal and a browser"
[00:37] <kc2bez> XD
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Yeah. He showed that during the talk.], oo, where is the link to the talk?
[00:37] <wxl> ^ up there somewhere
 @wxl [<wxl> why do people want to do fake tiling? just get a tiling window manager alr …], Not every user would like to go to hassle of setting up a 2nd wm other than default installed.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OjDGgVjTa1ioB8cqrWX7vL3uRA0ABu2F/view?usp=shari …], @HMollerCl I forgot to tag you.
 ooo it's a video!!! Now I know wxl face w/o helmet!!!!
 XD
 But there's a cap tho.
 Still
 yep
 ubuntu cap
 @The_LoudSpeaker if you want to compile.. https://github.com/hmollercl/redshift-qt/tree/allow_parameters
 @HMollerCl [@The_LoudSpeaker if you want to compile.. https://github.com/hmollercl/redshift- …], Noted
 instead of qmake you need to use https://github.com/hmollercl/redshift-qt/tree/allow_parameters
 Ack.
 ^that instead of qmake
 K.
 because plain qmake is qt4
 Why isn't it qt5 if qt5 is latest release?
 don't know, ask @tsimonq2 who is trying to change it.
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 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/mvfGgZU.jpg This is what I land up into from nomachine. It is lubuntu-session only right?
 That is a LXQt session minus the artwork.
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/sYVejrI.jpg I tried changing the "DefaultDesktopCommand" in nx node config to /usr/bin/lxqt-session but it is not starting
 You have a panel so I don't think that is an openbox session.
 me too
 the default value of "DefaultDesktopCommand" is /etc/X11/Xsession default"
 it is correct I suppose
 you might want to install artwork if it isn't already.
 I will try
 its already there
 hmm wonder why default settings didn't apply it?
 wait. I did a dpkg-reconfigure of artwork
 then on connecting it took me to xscreensaver
 but disconnected
 input/output error
 I will try a reboot.
 I can try later attached to a monitor too.
 yup! please do
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/l0zfopF.jpg after reboot
 please, could you help me support this? https://forum.lxqt.org/t/add-mapudungun-language-in-weblate/966
 I hope I touch a fiber in agaida and tsujan.
[17:12] <apt-ghetto> The_LoudSpeaker: Are you working on lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3?
[17:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> It's on my list
[17:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> Can complete it tonight if it's urgent
[17:14] <apt-ghetto> Just asking
[17:14] <apt-ghetto> In Debian it is packaged, so I guess you have to merge it into the Ubuntu repos and then SRU it into eoan
[17:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> noted.
[18:27] <wxl> @kc2bez @Dreamingwolf have you tried to run the pi setup yourself to see if you can replicate raman's issue?
 wxl: tora in disco is with Qt4, not Qt5 https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/tora
[19:50] <wxl> @HMollerCl i presume we're still working on the qt5 transition.. ask @tsimonq2 to be sure 
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[19:57] <teward> remind me again, are Focal dailies available?
[19:57] <wxl> yep
[19:57] <teward> remind me where again?
[19:57] <wxl> um
[19:57] <wxl> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[19:57]  * teward is stupid because he lost the link
[19:58] <wxl> the link is here https://lubuntu.me/downloads/
[19:58] <wxl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/focal-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:58] <teward> also listed at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/201512/downloads :P
[19:58] <wxl> that, too, but that build number will change over time
[19:58] <teward> true
 agreed
[19:59] <teward> zsyncing now
[19:59] <teward> because i need this to test something for Network Manager
[19:59] <teward> (I think nm-openvpn has a bug in it...)
[19:59] <teward> (a massive bug)
[19:59] <teward> (based on Debian testing)
[19:59] <teward> s/testing/Unstable testing/
[19:59] <teward> need to replicate in Focal xD
 @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez @Dreamingwolf have you tried to run the pi setup yourself to see i …], haven't had a chance yet today.
 hope to get to it tonight.
[20:09] <wxl> i just find it strange that it would default to anything but the lubuntu session
[20:09] <wxl> in fact, it would be interesting to just boot up a vm of some other flavor, install lubuntu-desktop and see what happens
 ... well that's not good
 "E: Release File for http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 2h 12m).  Updates for this repository will not be applied."
 is time accurate?
 it's a VM and it should be
 weird
 time set manually, TZ set to local, same error
 i wonder if APT has a bug in it
[20:28] <teward> > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:52:21 UTC
[20:28] <teward> from the InRelease file
 20:30 right now so it should be good.
 yeah it looks like the ISO was ignoring RTC Clock which on my system is UTC set
 and aplying that + 4
 which is *odd*
 very
 ... ew okay...
 nm-tray now launches only nmcli to configure the networking
 that... sounds like a bad thing :/
 (when you try and edit configs from the tray itself)
 going to the launch bar, Preferences > Advanced Network Configuration brings up the expected config GUI
 (something I noticed in Debian Unstable as well)
[20:35] <teward> oops
[20:36] <teward> kc2bez: not sure where to file it, but Lubuntu Daily, Manual Partitioning, E:CRASH
[20:36] <teward> during the installer
[20:36] <teward> ... but only after you return to the partitioning screen *after* choosing "Erase Drive" and hitting Next once.
[20:37] <teward> so if you decide later to change the partitioning layout it'll explode
[20:37] <teward> and you have to rerun install from start
[20:42] <kc2bez> Is that on focal reward ?
[20:42] <teward> yep
[20:43] <kc2bez> dang auto correct
[20:43] <teward> oh fun fact it's not accepting the LUKS input from keyboard in a VM either if you LUKS encrypt it
[20:43] <teward> and that's *new* issues there
[20:43] <kc2bez> it should. I know it does in eoan
[20:44] <teward> it doesn't in a VM in Focal
[20:44] <teward> which is new
[20:44] <teward> that's why i said that's a new issue
[20:44] <teward> i'll have to dig more
[20:44] <kc2bez> I tested both qemu and virtual box. 
[20:44] <teward> but for now, to reinstall with "Clean"
[20:44] <teward> VMware might be different
[20:44] <teward> and is likely to be a utilized VM env kc2bez
[20:44] <teward> i have VMware :P
[20:44] <kc2bez> makes sense
[20:45] <kc2bez> I use what I have :P
[20:45] <teward> what's *real* odd?
[20:45] <teward> Debian Unstable, LUKS, works *fine*
[20:45] <teward> sooooo
[20:47] <teward> wouldn't hurt to test QEMU and VBox yourself though just to be sure for the dailies
[20:47] <teward> who knows what chaos has been introduced xD
[20:47] <kc2bez> I haven't really done any tests on focal yet
[20:48] <kc2bez> I will give it a try though
[20:48] <teward> cool.  I need to try Eoan and Bionic to for the bug I'm looking at in OpenVPN GNOME toolkits though
[20:48] <teward> just finding *other* bugs in the interim while getting to the point I can do the testing :P
 kc2bez: this is a new one - "Failed to request VPN secrets: No agents were available for this request"
[21:02] <wxl> that might be related to the qtpass bug.... ?
 possibly
 testing one thing though
 and running nm-applet to see if it's really what I think the problem is...
[21:02] <wxl> but no, i think that's gpg-specific
 it's nm-tray
[21:02] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtpass/+bug/1829693
 it doesn't provide a prompter
 so you can't do VPN Prompt For Credentials
 it works in nm-applet though
 which is NOT running in Lubuntu Daily
[21:03] <wxl> i know @HMollerCl has worked hard on vpn/nm stuff
[21:03] <wxl> nm-tray is limited for advanced situations
 @HMollerCl well, apparently, not enough.
 wxl: and... why aren't we using nm-applet
 i ask this becuase nm-tray NOW launches nmcli to edit configurations
 NOT a GUI config interface
 if you try and edit connections via nm-tray
[21:04] <wxl> use the "advanced networking configuration"
 wxl: not why i was asking
 because of the advanced nature of SOME VPN setups such as ask-after-initial-handshake 2FA you're going ito have problems with nm-tray
[21:04] <wxl> nm-tray doesn't have a GUI config interface, that's why
 also not why i'm asking why we're using nm-tray over nm-applet
 *smacks wxl a few times*
 the question is:
[21:05] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29
[21:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Native nm-tray connection editor: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29
 why are we using nm-tray and not nm-applet
[21:05] <wxl> because qt
[21:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Native nm-tray connection editor] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#2530
 ^ i added an additional consideration concern there
 unrelated, nm-applet seems to work fine for what i need so I guess until T29 has extra work done on it I'll run a bastardized Lubuntu Focal
[21:08] <wxl> to be clear, you DID use the advanced networking configuration to confirm this?
 yes
 that's the only way to add VPN connections
 BUT
 you can't *activate* VPN connections from the config manager
 and nm-tray has no GUI Agent to handle password/credential requests
 which is the concern I'm voicing
 because without the ability to handle prompts or cred requests, it will explode in your face
 and not be able to process connections, esp. where password/cred prompts change due to 2FA being tacked on
 so in the case of my workplace, which has OpenVPN + TOTP 2FA added to the end of the password string...
 can't use nm-tray, must use nm-applet or it will fail
 confirmed this in Debian too when I pulled out connman and used network manager instead
[21:10] <wxl> conman fails similarly?
[21:10] <teward> connman has no OpenVPN interface
[21:11] <teward> so I had to rip it out to work properly with what I needed
[21:11] <teward> s/interface/integration/
[21:11] <wxl> huh
[21:11] <teward> or, more *specifically*
[21:11] <wxl> also: ugh
[21:11] <teward> it doesn't have an *advanced* OpenVPN interface.
[21:11] <teward> which i need to configure options in it
[21:12] <teward> ... huh looks like OPenSSL issues are resolved in *buntu
[21:12] <teward> but not Debian buster
[21:12] <teward> (relevant: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=933177 is what I was testing for, in Lubuntu Focal, because it needs GUI modification and patch implementation to add two config arguments to OpenVPN config in network manager to work proper)
 but I don't think OpenSSL default-disables TLS 1.0/1.1 in Ubuntu yet
 *goes to bother Security team*
[21:14] <wxl> @teward001 you mentioned someonthing about manual partitioning failed.. what scheme did you use?
 wxl: failed as in E:CRASH
 IF you go into the installer and do "Erase Disk", hit "Next", then go back and choose Manual Partitioning
 edge case I know but 😜
 the failure case was in a VMware VM the prompt for the creds for the LUKS decryption weren't accepting keyboard input from the console
 which is really weird
 s/failure case/other failure case/
[21:15] <wxl> can't reproduce in vbox or i don't understand clearly the steps to reproduce
 i'll do more tests later
 when I am home
[21:15] <wxl> is luks a requirement here?
 for now, EOD.
 wxl: didn't even get to the install step for the E:INSTALLERCRASH fail
 the second issue was post-install with encryption selected
 which used LUKS
 but meh
 as i said
 i'll test more when I get home
 I"m heading home now.
[21:17] <wxl> clear steps to reproduce, please, if you get something
[21:19] <wxl> doing efi/luks/erase disk/internet now.. so far so good
 @teward001 [@HMollerCl well, apparently, not enough.], 1.- nm-tray open the cli by default, we changed it
 2.- I've only used pptp (work issues=
 3.- nm-tray cannot ask for VPN password
 @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez @Dreamingwolf have you tried to run the pi setup yourself to see i …], I've been on the road in semi. Won't see my pi till Fri afternoon. But will definitely try it then.
[21:34] <wxl> kk
[21:34] <wxl> my install worked so i think thomas is broken
[21:37] <kc2bez> good to know
[21:37] <kc2bez> I will try too
[21:37] <kc2bez> just not right now
[21:38] <wxl> might be good to try not-vbox
[21:38] <wxl> hmmm bummer:
[21:38] <wxl> dpkg-query: no packages found matching teward
[21:38] <wxl> i tried to file a bug against him. boo.
[21:39] <kc2bez> I have qemu, I will give that I try. 
[21:39] <teward> It could be VMware specific but :P
[21:39] <wxl> quite possibly
[21:39] <teward> VMWare Player would he able to replicate theoretically.
[21:40] <wxl> i've never once used vmware
[21:40] <teward> But i will test more when home
[21:40] <teward> Wxl: my test env is a VMware ESXi hypervisor cluster so
[21:40] <teward> :P
[21:40] <wxl> a common environment for lubuntu i'm sure XD
[21:40] <teward> Lol
[21:41] <teward> I mean the only other similarly functional env on VMs is RHEL because something about it manages the memleaks on GNOME out of the box lol
[21:41] <teward> And RHEL is expensive and evil so
[22:01] <kc2bez> I was able to unlock the luks partition in qemu. The keyboard worked there. 
[22:02] <wxl> just `ubuntu-bug teward`. oh wait, that didn't work. i forgot.
[22:02] <teward> *salts wxl*
[22:03] <teward> *forces wxl to use a DOS 1.0 prompt for everything now*
[22:03] <wxl> dude, i actually loved DOS
[22:03] <teward> lool
[22:03] <teward> traitor xD
[22:03] <teward> oh i know...
[22:03] <teward> *forces wxl to use Windows ME*
[22:03] <kc2bez> Well I mostly wanted to test myself to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. I may still be losing it but not on this particular issue. 
[22:03] <wxl> that's kind of yucky
[22:03] <wxl> but not the worst thing you could say
[22:04] <teward> we all losing it lol
[22:04] <kc2bez> XD
[22:04]  * wxl forces teward to use PowerShell....... for everything
[22:04] <teward> wxl: would you prefer Gentoo?  :P
[22:04] <teward> wxl: I already do at work lol
[22:04] <wxl> well then hahahahahahah
[22:04] <wxl> no wonder you're so cranky all the time X'''''''''''''D
[22:04] <kc2bez> Gentoo in my pocket. 
[22:05] <kc2bez> fairly custom but...
[22:05] <teward> yeah managing exchange servers is a [CENSORED] because now 90% of config options have to be PowerShelled now
[22:05] <wxl> oh yeah i forgot you do exchange servers, too. wow, i feel terrible for you.
[22:05] <kc2bez> PS is ick but necessary at the same time. 
[22:07] <kc2bez> I make the other guys deal with it. :P