jameshrobert_ancell: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/reviews-are-shared-across-snaps-flatpaks-and-apt-packages/13505 <- is this something you can answer?03:41
jamesh(even if the answer is just "this is just how gnome-software works, with reviews attached to upstreams rather than packagings")03:42
robert_ancelljamesh, it's being done server side.03:44
jameshrobert_ancell: I guess I'm conflating gnome-software and the review server then.  It sounds like something that could only be fixed by us either (a) not using the upstream review server, or (b) convincing upstream to not merge reviews for different packagings of an app03:47
robert_ancellyeah, that's basically it.03:47
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didrocksgood morning06:10
dufluMorning didrocks06:39
didrockshey duflu06:43
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clobranomorning all 0/07:35
dufluMorning clobrano07:36
clobranohey duflu :)07:36
didrockshey clobrano :)07:45
clobranohey didrocks, how are you?07:45
didrocksI'm fine, thanks, and you?07:46
clobranoI'm good as well :), waiting for the summer to end here XD07:50
didrockshere it's grey and rainy, summer is very far… :p07:55
lisLaney: <308:02
lishi laney :)08:03
didrockshey Laney, lis08:05
lisgood morning didrocks :)08:05
Laneyahoy didrocks08:06
Laneyhow are you both doing?!?!?!08:06
* lis just back from canada after 2 weeks vacation for thanksgiving08:06
lisso, pretty good :)08:06
lishow are you?08:07
didrocksI'm good, thanks, yourself?08:07
Laneydoing pretty alreet08:08
Laneywe won the pub quiz last night 👍08:08
lishow are the crops?  must be some interesting stuff around now08:09
dufluMorning Laney and really morning lis08:10
Laneyhey duflu08:11
Laneywe tried an experimental variety of corn08:11
Laneywhich is blue coloured08:11
Laneyand i'm sorry to report that it tastes NASTY08:11
Laneyjust go with a good ol' super sweet variety is my advice08:12
lisduflu: it's more morning for laney, i think08:13
lisLaney: interesting.  next you'll have to try all the different carrots.  those actually taste good regardless the colour08:14
clobranodidrocks, it's a bit cloudy now, but with 23 degrees and till yesterday you can go swimming at the beach :D08:14
Laneynot had much success with carrots so far08:14
clobranohey Laney08:14
Laneyshould persevere08:14
Laneyo/ clobrano08:14
LaneyI heard a documentary on the radio recently about all the different kinds of banana there are in the world08:15
Laneyseems like there's an exciting variety that we don't really get to see08:15
Laneyif only we could viably grow them over here08:17
didrocksclobrano: waow :)08:18
clobranodidrock, yeah I know, first world problem XD08:21
seb128goooood morning desktopers08:28
lishi hi seb seb08:29
lishey willcooke :)08:30
didrockshey willcooke08:30
seb128hey lis, how are you?08:31
lisjetlagged but happy :)08:31
seb128lut didrocks, en forme aujourd'hui?08:31
lishow have you been?08:31
didrocksça va, et toi ?08:31
seb128I'm good08:31
dufluMorning seb128 and willcooke08:31
seb128in London today08:31
seb128hey duflu08:31
seb128didrocks, ça va :)08:31
Laneymoin seb12808:32
seb128lis, where are you?08:32
seb128hey Laney08:32
seb128Wimpress, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1848969 is new, I tagged this one instead of the old one08:32
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1848969 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "src/date-time.cpp:171:GDateTime* unity::indicator::datetime::DateTime::get() const: assertion failed: (m_dt)" [Critical,Confirmed]08:32
seb128it lacks info but it's likely a bug introduce in the port to the new e-d-s by the look of things08:33
seb128Laney, ^ fyi, I think you did the code changes, unsure if you would be interested to poke at the segfault (once the bug has more info/a bt probably)08:33
LaneyI mean not really, ideally someone from one of the flavours that uses this component would maintain it08:35
Laneyif the desktop team wants to decide to own it in this way...08:35
WimpressMorning desktoppers o/08:36
seb128hey Wimpress08:36
seb128Laney, ok, no worry, I was mentioning in case you were interested, I don't think we need to own the issue as you said flavors can poke at it since they are the ones using the comoponent08:37
LaneyI'd be OK reviewing or advising someone but I think it'll be a bad message if we continue maintaining that stuff (IMO anyway)08:38
Laneywould rather have not touched it at in the first place ;-)08:38
Laneyhey Wimpress08:38
seb128yeah, agreed on not maintaining it, I was a bit unsure about if it was a situation of "we break it, we fix it"08:47
seb128but that would mean paying for being nice in the first place and fixing it rather than just demoting it and its rdependd to proposed for example08:48
Laneyproblem is that ended up being the whole unity desktop08:49
Laneyor work to take that indicator out of it08:49
Laneyprobably a bit of a fine line on this one08:52
Laneybit like how Trevinh_o ends up fixing budgie for new mutter every cycle, we wouldn't want to have to own maintaining that as a result of needing to do this to push the ubuntu desktop on08:54
Laneyexcept in that case there is an upstream so it sort of works08:54
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers08:58
seb128hey oSoMoN , how are you today?08:59
Laneyhey oSoMoN08:59
didrockshey oSoMoN08:59
willcookeWimpress, https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle09:01
Laneythat's in the topic ;-)09:01
* Laney eyes landscape09:02
oSoMoNhey seb128, Laney, didrocks, willcooke09:02
oSoMoNseb128, I'm good, but we had heavy rains last night and roads and trains are collapsed, it's a mess out there09:03
seb128not your week09:03
oSoMoNnope… I can't wait for next week, it can only get better09:03
* Laney hugs oSoMoN 09:05
* oSoMoN likes hugs09:05
* didrocks hugs oSoMoN as well09:07
LaneyPILE ON09:08
* seb128 piles on oSoMoN :)09:14
seb128duflu, bug #1849135 some of the users state they also get the issue on wayland sessions09:17
ubot5bug 1849135 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Clicking Activities in the corner doesn't work in Xorg sessions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184913509:17
seb128duflu, also I think we can drop the nvidia/disco shell backport task, we are probably not going to do another round of SRU for disco at this point since 19.10 is out09:19
dufluseb128, I have not yet debugged the first issue so; sure. As for the second issue you read my mind again. I was going to ask to drop it09:20
dufluI have seen upstream two possible causes for the non-clicking and only one was Xorg-specific09:21
seb128feel free to wontfix the disco issue if you have the bug number handy09:21
dufluseb128, I've had a couple of disco fixes awaiting review for some weeks/months mentioned in my reports. I'll change them now09:27
dufluOh, singular now09:28
dufluseb128, could you please reject it? I don't want to delete it and don't get the option myself https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+git/mutter/+merge/37298409:30
seb128duflu, done09:32
dufluWeird you can't just close your own proposal09:32
dufluNo idea what the other disco issue was on my mind09:34
dufluseb128, what shall we do with this? Is it waiting on the science team? https://salsa.debian.org/science-team/fftw3/merge_requests/109:34
dufluAlso, good morning oSoMoN09:35
oSoMoNgood afternoon duflu09:36
seb128duflu, I will give them a few more days to comment and upload to Ubuntu next week if they don't09:52
seb128clobrano, re the sound theme/system-ready thing, the path used for lookup is $XDG_DATA_DIRS/sounds11:12
LaneyTrevinho: can you please SRUify the mutter bugs you are closing with that upload?11:14
clobranoseb128, thanks. I'm on yaru session now, and $XDG_DATA_DIRS resolves (also) in /usr/share/Yaru, but this folder does not exist11:17
clobranowhile /usr/share/ubuntu exists but it's not in XDG11:17
clobrano^ but `/usr/share/ubuntu` doesn't have a sounds subdir :O11:19
seb128that's not a sound dir11:19
clobranooh, nvm, there's also /usr/share which has our sounds11:21
TrevinhoLaney: yeah, ok... I was waiting for the debian merge/upload in order to proceed with the ubuntu merges though11:21
Trevinhobut I see they're coming now11:22
Laneyit's all done babes11:22
ackkhi, is this the right place to ask about the chromium snap?11:32
seb128clobrano, ok, poking around you it seems to work in the Yaru location after removing ~/.cache/event-sound-cache*11:32
seb128ackk, hey, yes you can ask here though it's a dev channel and not an user support forum so depends of the question11:32
clobranoseb128, okay, but it's working now in my system too. I don't know what kind of error I did previously11:33
clobranobtw, the use case was to use a symlink in Yaru source and let meson install everything in the same place11:33
seb128well it was not working for me when adding the file to Yaru until I removed the cache11:33
clobranoit seems to work now11:33
clobranoI see, but we are not using the Yaru location, everything is installed under `/usr/share/sounds/Yaru/stereo`11:34
clobranodoes this make sense?11:34
seb128that's what I meant for Yaru location11:35
seb128I created /usr/share/sounds/Yaru/stereo/system-ready.oga11:35
Laneyyeah, I think canberra remembers negative lookups11:35
oSoMoNackk, what's the question about the chromium snap?11:36
seb128Laney, that's a bit unfortunate, it means existing users will not get their system-ready sound work unless we delete that cache for them?11:37
ackkoSoMoN, hi, I was reading that chromium has experimental support for pipewire since 73, but I don't see the flag under chrome://flags. I was wondering if it's not detecting something because it's in the snap11:37
ackkoSoMoN, tl;dr I wanted to try screensharing with wayland11:37
Laneydunno, you'd have to look into the precise details of the cache11:37
Laneybut when is system-ready used apart from in the installer?11:37
seb128Laney, isn't gdm supposed to be playing that as well once you get to the greeter?11:39
seb128or is it a different sound?11:39
seb128Laney, /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/libcanberra-ready-sound.desktop11:39
Laneybut I hope that we don't bring back a sound on startup with this change11:40
oSoMoNackk, it's currently not built in the snap, but that's certainly something we could play with. Would you mind filing a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+filebug to track the feature request?11:40
seb128Laney, not on login, but a beep when the greeter is ready, which is needed for blind users to know when they can type their password?11:40
ackkoSoMoN, sure11:41
Laneyscreen reader doesn't say anything in that case?11:41
seb128I don't know offhand11:41
seb128well, if it restore that beep and we don't want it then we need to change canberra I guess11:42
clobranoseb128: > that's what I meant for Yaru location > Ok!11:43
seb128or other option would be to change ubiquity to play installer-ready indeed and add this sound11:44
seb128if we don't want gdm to play one and not distro patch canberra11:44
ackkoSoMoN, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/184947811:44
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1849478 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "(experimental) pipewire support not available" [Undecided,New]11:44
Laneyfeel free if you want to check the other flavours11:44
oSoMoNackk, thanks12:09
ackkoSoMoN, ty12:09
kenvandinemvo: did you make any progress on the snap validation issue?13:51
hellsworthgood morning everyone!14:01
didrockshey hellsworth14:01
hellsworthhi didrocks, how are things?14:03
oSoMoNgood morning hellsworth14:03
hellsworthhi oSoMoN, hope you are well today :)14:03
didrocksI'm fine, thanks, you?14:04
hellsworthyeah ok. kind of tired but excited because this afternoon we're supposed to get lots of snow :D14:05
hellsworthlike 25cm14:05
hellsworthi want to make a snowman if that happens14:05
didrocksnice! :)14:07
didrockshere is only about grey weather :/14:07
hellsworthgrey is nice too14:07
hellsworththat's tea drinkin weather :)14:07
didrocksheh, indeed :)14:08
mvokenvandine: sort of, I noticed that the default provide looks a bit odd now: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BJBBRkdcRQ/ - of course our error is terrible14:08
mvokenvandine: I suspect changing the default provider to a snap will fix the build issue14:08
kenvandineweird... i wonder when that changed14:09
kenvandineoh, maybe the move to the snapcraft extension14:11
kenvandinemvo: it doesn't affect installation of the snap though14:11
mvokenvandine: yeah, I think we split the ":" for historic reasons14:23
mvokenvandine: I think we (snapd) needs a better message at least14:23
kenvandinesergiusens: ^^^14:25
kenvandinesergiusens: snaps built with the extension is breaking iso builds14:26
hellsworthoh my that's not good14:27
kenvandinehellsworth: good morning!14:27
sergiusenskenvandine: darn, that logic was reviewed by  20 or so people, why is it breaking only now?14:27
kenvandineOur first seeded snap that transitioned to the extension14:27
kenvandinewe transitioned to the extension in gnome-calculator master14:28
kenvandinewhen they branched for gnome-3-34 and that landed in stable14:28
kenvandineit broke the build14:28
kenvandinesergiusens: the snap works fine, but validation fails14:28
sergiusenskenvandine: validation from where, if these snaps are in the store too and certainly passed review?14:29
kenvandinesergiusens: can we fast track that?14:29
kenvandineyeah, snap lets you install them14:29
kenvandinefor historic reasons14:29
sergiusenskenvandine: anyways, mind fixing the kde extension in the same PR14:30
kenvandinebut the validate-seed command doesn't pass them14:30
sergiusenskenvandine: fastracking is going to make me miss some objectives you know :-)14:30
sergiusenskenvandine: can you please create a similar PR for kde please?14:31
kenvandinesergiusens: the kde one is confusing me14:32
kenvandineis the slot name different?14:32
sergiusenskenvandine: how so? Oh, yeah, they have multiple slots providing the same content14:32
kenvandinekde-frameworks-5-plug seems to have a slot named kde-frameworks-5-core18-slot for the default provider14:32
kenvandinemvo: if i'm reading this, the kde snaps need to be able to specify the slot for the default-provider14:34
kenvandineas the slot name doesn't match the plug name14:34
kenvandinemvo: plug=kde-frameworks-5-plug has default-provider = kde-frameworks-5-core18:kde-frameworks-5-core18-slot14:36
mvokenvandine: thanks, I will have a look at our code then14:36
kenvandineso maybe validate-seed just needs to honor it14:36
mvokenvandine: that sounds like the validation code doesn't covers this14:36
kenvandineor... the kde snaps are doing something bad :)14:36
mvokenvandine: indeed, let me have  a quick look14:36
sergiusenskenvandine: well, bad is that it was never documented or enforced, snapd might need to have to live with this now14:37
kenvandineyeah, well i'm guessing snapd does the right thing when it's specified14:38
kenvandineif it didn't something would have broken14:38
kenvandinei'm guessing the validation code just doesn't handle that case14:38
kenvandinebut we'll let mvo sort that out14:38
kenvandinesergiusens: in the gnome case the names match, so it isn't needed14:39
sergiusenskenvandine: right, I don't mind removing it, but I would prefer to avoid fast tracking if possible14:40
kenvandineyeah, understood14:40
sergiusenskenvandine: I will fast track your change. Battery of tests does take 12 hours though15:01
sergiusensI can start after the meetings end15:01
kenvandinesergiusens: i just submitted a PR for the kde-neon extension15:35
kenvandinecompletely untested :)15:36
kenvandineLaney, seb128:  we found the problem with the image build15:36
seb128kenvandine, oh, what is it?15:37
kenvandinewe need either a fix to snapd or snapcraft to land15:37
seb128(sorry on a stupid and flaky airport wifi)15:37
kenvandinegnome-calculator from the gnome-3-34 branch now uses the gnome-3-28 snapcraft extension15:37
seb128is there a snapcraft change leading to a bug in the update of those snaps?15:37
kenvandinethe extension adds a default provider with the slot specified15:38
kenvandinedefault-provider: gtk-common-themes:gtk-3-theme15:38
kenvandinefor example15:38
kenvandinewhich is documented and snapd actually ignores everything after the :15:38
kenvandineso it works15:38
kenvandinebut validate-seed fails it15:39
seb128didrocks, I would welcome your input on bug #1849512 , I guess that's rather a bug in the 'backend' (adduser?) than in g-c-c if a bug at all15:39
ubot5bug 1849512 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Creating a new user on top of ZFS filesystem does not create a new dataset for his home directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184951215:39
seb128kenvandine, oh ok15:39
kenvandineseb128: i've submitted a PR to snapcraft to fix that15:39
kenvandinebut will take time15:39
kenvandinei think mvo is working on fixing the validation code15:39
Laneynice one15:40
kenvandineso it doesn't fail the case15:40
seb128how is snapcraft spposed to fix it?15:40
kenvandinejust not append the slot15:40
seb128looks like a bug in the validation code in any case no?15:40
mvoyeah, once I'm no longer in meetings I can start fixing this :)15:40
kenvandinesnapd actually only uses the snap name15:40
kenvandineit discards the slot if it's specified15:40
kenvandinebut it is better if the extension doesn't specify it, since it isn't used15:41
kenvandinebut yeah, the real fix should be in the validation code15:41
kenvandineit should behave the same everywhere15:41
didrocksseb128: this issue is due to the user not having zsys installed15:42
didrocksas we can't do anything magic without the magic having it :p15:42
didrocksand as it's not seeded by default…15:42
seb128kenvandine, thx for the status update!15:43
seb128didrocks, I see, going to fix next cycle once zsys is promoted :)15:43
didrocksseb128: yeah, the issue is people who did create users before this will never have the dataset created15:44
didrockslet's see how many bug reports we'll close (it's already the 3rd report on this…)15:44
seb128but yeah, not much we can do at this point15:45
didrockswell, this was known and mentioned before the decision was taken, so, I can only comment on the bug for now15:46
didrocks(done btw)15:46
seb128_Wimpress, popey, do we have a policy about deleting post like that https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-testing-chromium-browser-deb-to-snap-transition/11179/165 ? It's just annoying to see those in middle of productive discussions... (sorry, on a flacky wifi pre-boarding my flight so I'm probably not going to stick around long)16:14
kenvandinehellsworth: got a few minutes to see a common issue we run into and how to fix it?16:16
* kenvandine just hit a relatively common scenario 16:16
hellsworthoh ok16:20
kenvandinegnome-nibbles just changed handling of some help files16:21
kenvandinewe'll talk in query16:21
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infinitykenvandine: Is anyone looking into (maybe with the help of snappy people, if it's as confusing to you as it is to me) why the desktop livefs suddenly fails to build?16:48
infinityI can't fathom how it worked on the 21st and has failed since.16:48
infinityUnless a snap was updated and is actually broken.16:48
infinityOh, gnome-calculator.snap was updated.  That might be the problem.16:49
Laneyinfinity: Read about 1 hour ago in here (yes)16:49
infinityLaney: Ah-ha.  Thanks.  I'll go back to not caring, then.16:49
kenvandineinfinity: yeah :)16:59
sergiusenskenvandine: your validate PR needs a look17:29
kenvandinesergiusens: thanks17:34
kenvandinesergiusens: fixed18:12

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