| bluesabre | As long as they're not Xfce apps (seems to be the general consensus) | 00:00 |
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| ali1234 | no, even if they are, they should support window managers that aren't xfce | 00:00 |
| ali1234 | but they should also support not-CSD | 00:01 |
| bluesabre | Right | 00:02 |
| bluesabre | It probably warrants an extended discussion and reconsideration of the issues... not sure how long ochosi is away, probably don't want to push in either direction until he reappears | 00:05 |
| Unit193 | Ah, from the email thread it seems GTK_CSD=0 should just revert it all to be classic Xfce? | 00:09 |
| bluesabre | Yep | 00:09 |
| Unit193 | So basically, just changing the default. If there's a non-CSD option, I don't care what the default is. | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | doesn't work on header bars, at least not on anything i have installed | 00:09 |
| bluesabre | In fact, I think it's logical to make the libxfce4ui headerbar implementation respect that | 00:10 |
| ali1234 | yes | 00:10 |
| Unit193 | Hrm, I purged catfish from everywhere, I can't test it. | 00:11 |
| ali1234 | although automatic conversion is still a bit problematic if you go full headerbars like eg gedit | 00:11 |
| ali1234 | cos then you have this big ugly toolbar and no menu bar | 00:11 |
| ali1234 | this is what headeraway does: https://i.imgur.com/HSUBgTq.png | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | screenshot is from before xfwm supported them at all and so you got two decorations | 00:17 |
| bluesabre | Gotcha | 00:17 |
| Unit193 | I could likely use that as I never found an alternative for simple-scan (I've replaced or purged every other CSD/headerbar using application.) | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | i doubt it still works without fix ups... it's a preload hack and i made it 6 years ago | 00:19 |
| bluesabre | So, in theory we could somehow plug that into libxfce4ui, and it would be available for Xfce components, or anything GTK3 in an Xfce session? | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | it would only work for xfce components that explicitly used it instead of using gtk header bar directly | 00:21 |
| bluesabre | Ah, gotcha. So the ideal usecase would still be using it in preload | 00:21 |
| ali1234 | also, confirmed it no longer works | 00:22 |
| Unit193 | Bummer. | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | has no effect on nautilus anyway | 00:22 |
| Unit193 | (skanlite pulls in too much KDE) | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | i wouldn't recommend shipping gtk preload hacks in a real distribution | 00:23 |
| Unit193 | No, it's not the best idea. I think Lubuntu tried that and it bit them. | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | third party stuff is somebody else's problem | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | i think ubuntu did it at one point :) | 00:24 |
| Unit193 | Oh my. | 00:25 |
| ali1234 | the hud/dbus menu thing | 00:25 |
| bluesabre | Which was my absolute favorite ubuntu feature | 00:25 |
| ali1234 | maybe im remembering wrong | 00:25 |
| ali1234 | is that a /s? | 00:25 |
| bluesabre | I really thought the hud was awesome | 00:26 |
| bluesabre | But yeah, that was a patched GTK that enabled that | 00:26 |
| ali1234 | it was awesome if you already memorized the contents of every menu in an app | 00:26 |
| ali1234 | discoverability for new users was terrible... worse than ribbon, or the thing that hid menu items that you rarely used | 00:27 |
| Unit193 | GTK_CSD=0 LD_PRELOAD=libgtk3-nocsd.so.0 /usr/bin/remmina looks off. :3 | 00:39 |
| ali1234 | i'm still on 18.04 so i can't really even test this stuff properly | 00:40 |
| ali1234 | all my xfce is still gtk2 | 00:40 |
| Unit193 | The latter bit is fixable. :3 | 00:42 |
| ali1234 | i'll probably install +1 after christmas | 00:45 |
| ali1234 | ten stay on it for two years :) | 00:45 |
| Unit193 | You *could* add the xubuntu-dev/staging PPA, but I doubt you like PPAs. | 00:45 |
| ali1234 | i love ppas | 00:45 |
| Unit193 | ...Welp. | 00:45 |
| ali1234 | i have that ppa installed already | 00:46 |
| ali1234 | and also experimental | 00:46 |
| Unit193 | Shouldn't you have all GTK3 then? | 00:46 |
| ali1234 | no idea | 00:46 |
| ali1234 | hmm.. my parole is gtk3 | 00:47 |
| ali1234 | but GTK_CSD has absolutely no effect on it | 00:48 |
| ali1234 | it's more the third party stuff... like my simple-scan has no CSD | 00:49 |
| Unit193 | That might have been patched out, lucky you. | 00:49 |
| ali1234 | neither does atril | 00:49 |
| Unit193 | We switched to Atril because evince did. | 00:49 |
| ali1234 | oh its a mate fork? | 00:50 |
| Unit193 | Yep. | 00:51 |
| Unit193 | engrampa, atril, mate-calc. | 00:51 |
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| bluesabre | ali1234, Unit193, I created a new proposal that might help with the Xfce conversation. I've already shot this along to the core devs, but what do you think? https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.16/roadmap/general_ui/csd_support | 10:46 |
| ali1234 | bluesabre: works for me. can you add the frozen client bug to the list of problems too please? | 12:59 |
| ali1234 | this one: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/215 | 12:59 |
| ali1234 | i think that one is important because it is not a subjective design issue, CSD is objectively worse in that situation. and because GNOME have declared it unfixable. | 13:03 |
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