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[02:09] <Gusj> Hi there, I have Xubuntu 19.04 that I upgrade from 18.04, but when I do 'lsb_release -a' I get this=> "Description:	Ubuntu 19.04 Release:	19.04 Codename:	disco" Shouldn't it say Xubuntu?
[02:10] <Gusj> I upgrade using the 'Software Updater'
[02:12] <tomreyn> Gusj: see /etc/os-release does this say xubuntu?
[02:13] <tomreyn> i think lsb_release always says Ubuntu for all flavors since it's about the foundation / base that is common to all flavors
[02:13] <Gusj> tomreyn: Hi Tom :) one of the lines says this => VERSION="19.04 (Disco Dingo)" on other lines it mentions Ubuntu never Xubuntu
[02:14] <Bashing-om> Gusj: ' echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP '.
[02:14] <tomreyn> and when you run    cat /var/log/installer/media-info      what does it say?
[02:14] <Gusj> Bashing-om: I get  ablank line after running that
[02:15] <xubuntu6w> i have xubuntu 18.04 and i need to delete the tar.xz extract file?
[02:15] <Gusj> tomreyn: Ok now yes Tom, ===> Xubuntu 18.04.3 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Release amd64 (20190805)
[02:16] <tomreyn> Gusj: well that's just what you installed with. is the    xubuntu-desktop    package installed?
[02:16] <Bashing-om> Gusj: Huh ? I get - sysop@x1804mini:~$ echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP >> xubuntu   XFCE -
[02:16] <tomreyn> xubuntu6w: "the tar.xz extract file"? which one?
[02:16] <tomreyn> echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[02:16] <tomreyn> ubuntu   ubuntu:GNOME
[02:16] <tomreyn> ...is what i get, i think Gusj may have run it with the single quotes
[02:17] <Gusj> tomreyn: I am not sure, I installed originally the Xubuntu 18.04 LTS from liveusb and now I upgraded through Software Updater to 19.04 to get to 19.10
[02:17] <xubuntu6w> i have xubuntu 18.04 and i need to delete the tar.xz extract file how can i delete these file
[02:18] <tomreyn> xubuntu6w: the "rm" command can delete files
[02:18] <Gusj> Bashing-om: I ran it without single quotes and got an empty line
[02:18] <xubuntu6w> you mean type rm in the commad
[02:19] <tomreyn> Gusj: what's the output for: apt list xubuntu-desktop
[02:19] <tomreyn> xubuntu6w: i can't provide more details since your questions are unclear
[02:20] <Bashing-om> Gusj: Is there A GUI active at this time ?
[02:20] <tomreyn> xubuntu6w: maybe you can provide more contextual information
[02:22] <Gusj> Bashing-om: yes the xfce session
[02:22] <Gusj> tomreyn: xubuntu-desktop/eoan 2.231 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.228]  +  xubuntu-desktop/eoan 2.231 i386
[02:23] <tomreyn> Gusj: so your upgrade isn't actually done
[02:23] <xubuntu6w> i donwload tar.xz file and extract in the desktop but unfortunate i cant remove those files because it shows me lock sign
[02:24] <Gusj> tomreyn: I am upgrading right now to 19.10 inorder to get the xfce 4.14 which I was told has Color managing integrated, needed to change Color Profile in 18,04 and displaycal would not work, I was not able to get it to work
[02:24] <tomreyn> Gusj: oh wait you said you upgraded to 19.04 from 18.04. but why is it shoing you the 19.10 version?
[02:24] <tomreyn> ah, good info to have
[02:25] <tomreyn> xubuntu6w: select all file on desktop, right click on, select properties, then make sure it's writable
[02:26] <tomreyn> xubuntu6w: all the files with a lock sign, that is
[02:26] <tomreyn> i'm not 100% sure it works like this on xubuntu, but it may
[02:27] <xubuntu6w> i try it but it is not working
[02:29] <tomreyn> xubuntu6w: try this instead: open a terminal window, type:    chmod -R +r ~/Desktop/       mkae sure you make no typos there
[02:29] <tomreyn> (you can copy + paste)
[02:31] <Gusj> tomreyn: Right now it is in the 'installing upgrade' stage of the updater's GUI
[02:32] <tomreyn> that's cool with me
[02:34] <Gusj> so the output of  'apt list xubuntu-desktop' xubuntu-desktop/eoan 2.231 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.228] xubuntu-desktop/eoan 2.231 i386 confirms that I have xubuntu?
[02:34] <xubuntu6w60> j
[02:35] <xubuntu6w60> hi can please retype
[02:36] <tomreyn> xubuntu6w60: open a terminal window, type:    chmod -R +r ~/Desktop/       make sure you make no typos there
[02:38] <xubuntu6w60> it says Operation not permitted
[02:42] <tomreyn> xubuntu6w60: hmm i guess you unpacked the files using sudo then?
[02:45] <xubuntu6w60> what do i type
[02:48] <tomreyn> sudo chown -R $USER:$USER ~/      #  again, no typos please
[03:07] <Gusj> tomreyn: Tom, after it has finished upgrading to 19.10, do I have to erase the previous versions, leftovers? I know the Software Updater says it does it, but is there a manual step that I must take?
[03:09] <tomreyn> Gusj: it should have cleaned things up already. unless anything is not working which should be working, it'll be fine.
[03:10] <Gusj> tomreyn: Ok thank you, looking forward to being able to change Color Profiles and explore the new version, really liking Xubuntu
[03:11] <tomreyn> :) you're welcome. ttyl.
[03:26] <Gusj> Bashing-om: Now I got the output of the ' echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP  as Xubuntu Xfce :)
[03:27] <Gusj> tomreyn: This happened incase it happens to someone else, when I restarted after the upgrade was over and it asks you to restart, that first restart did not have wifi, it was active, turned on the laptop, as I could see it in black and not in gray, btu would not connect to my wifi, then I rebooted again and it connects automatically
[03:28] <Gusj> tomreyn: happene dboth times, from 18.04 lTS to 19.04 and to 19.10
[03:31] <Bashing-om> Gusj: :D confirms then that your install is (x)ubuntu.
[03:43] <Gusj> Bashing-om: Yes thank you :) saved that comm and Toms
[03:47] <Bashing-om> Gusj: And confirms too that I have not completely lost my sanity :P
[03:51] <Gusj> Bashing-om: Ahh haha
[03:53] <Gusj> Just went to 'Color Profiles' in settings to calibrate, but after I start calibrating it asks me to plug in hardware in order to calibrate. I have some hardware for this just not right now at hand, so it does not let me continue calibrating
[05:00] <GlaceonBM> hey hey, I'm having an issue where my headphone jack isn't working. nothing's being recognized through it
[05:00] <GlaceonBM> it's been like this for a few releases
[05:01] <GlaceonBM> I'm on a Thinkpad E480
[05:07] <diogenes_> GlaceonBM, maybe it's broken?
[05:09] <GlaceonBM> No, cause it works fine on the Windows partition. I'm dualbooting linux and windows.
[05:11] <diogenes_> GlaceonBM, have u tried to switch the output manually in pavucontrol?
[05:13] <GlaceonBM> I believe I tried that in the past, but I can check it again. How would I go about doing that?
[05:14] <diogenes_> in menu type pavucontrol
[05:15] <GlaceonBM> Yeah, the only output device available is Speakers. It doesn't recognize the jack at all.
[05:17] <diogenes_> GlaceonBM, i'd also recommend asking in #pulseaudio.
[05:17] <GlaceonBM> Okay, thanks!
[05:17] <diogenes_> np
[06:50] <xubuntu99w> hi are you human/
[06:50] <xubuntu99w> ?
[06:51] <diogenes_> ?
[06:51] <xubuntu99w> well anyone can suggest me which one is good ?
[06:51] <Mead> Negative we are meat popsicles
[06:51] <xubuntu99w> ubuntu or xubuntu?
[06:52] <diogenes_> xubuntu ofc.
[06:52] <xubuntu99w> for i3 laptop
[06:52] <Mead> it is all about your preference and what not.  xubuntu using a different gui that people here tend to like better
[06:53] <xubuntu99w> have i3 2348m with 3gb ddr3
[06:54] <xubuntu99w> dualboot with win7?
[06:54] <Mead> get the 32 bit version if that is still a thing
[06:55] <xubuntu99w> well it can support win7 64bit
[06:55] <diogenes_> 64bit is recommended.
[06:55] <xubuntu99w> so xubuntu is better/
[06:55] <xubuntu99w> ?
[06:55] <Mead> it doesn't have enough ram to need 64bit
[06:56] <xubuntu99w> well someone told me that 2gb+ ram is needed
[06:56] <Unit193> Right but i386 is being deprecated in Ubuntu.
[06:57] <diogenes_> 3gb is ok for 64bit.
[06:57] <xubuntu99w> thanks
[06:58] <xubuntu99w> will work in dualboot with win 7?
[06:58] <diogenes_> yes
[09:05] <xubuntu37w> hi
[09:06] <xubuntu37w> well 19.10 desktop version work on laptops?
[09:08] <diogenes_> xubuntu37w, of course.
[09:09] <xubuntu37w> while installing will it erase any data?
[09:11] <diogenes_> xubuntu37w, dependin if you know what you're doing.
[09:11] <xubuntu37w> lol
[12:00] <xubuntu0w> well i what is the latest version of xubuntu to usa?
[12:01] <xubuntu0w> use*
[12:04] <xubuntu0w> hellow
[12:04] <xubuntu0w> is anyone here?
[12:06] <xubuntu99w> hi there
[12:07] <xubuntu99w> anyone here?
[12:09] <xubuntu99w> xubuntu 18.04 or 19.10?
[12:10] <xubuntu0w> hi anyone here?
[12:12] <henrebotha[m]> Patience my friends
[12:12] <henrebotha[m]> Use whatever version you feel like
[12:13] <xubuntu0w> well actually im not familier with ubuntu trying it for first time
[12:13] <xubuntu0w> i have downloaded an iso of xubuntu 19.10 which is about 1.53GiB
[12:14] <ondondil> 18.04 is long term support release, has support for 3 years. 19.10 is regular release supported for 9 months
[12:14] <xubuntu0w> so shuld i go for 18.04 or 19.10?
[12:16] <xubuntu0w> is 19.10 is beta or stable version?
[12:19] <xubuntu0w> hi
[12:20] <nikolam> Hi, how do I force desktop icons on 19.04 to appear on primary monitor
[12:21] <nikolam> I added external monitor to the laptop and both panel and desktop moved to external monitor , I want them on primary, laptop monitor
[12:21] <xubuntu0w> which one is more user friendly 18.04 or 19.10?
[12:22] <nikolam> I think it's mostly same stuff since 2006 if you ask me :) but, yes, newer is more reasonable to report bugs in order to make it better
[12:22] <xubuntu0w> well i have both iso
[12:22] <xubuntu0w> which one should i install?
[12:23] <henrebotha[m]> We don't know
[12:23] <henrebotha[m]> Asking the same question twelve times doesn't help
[12:23] <henrebotha[m]> Take it slow
[12:23] <henrebotha[m]> Ask one question at a time
[12:23] <henrebotha[m]> Wait for an answer
[12:24] <nikolam> if you are running server and want to be stable and with old packages, and will to update only when next LTS comes, choose LTS, 18.04
[12:24] <nikolam> If want to use newer stable apps, still supported and able for your reports to count and as well to keep user experience not outdated, choose newest
[12:24] <henrebotha[m]> 18.04 and 19.10 are very similar. 18.04 is a long term support release, so if you are doing something critical, 18.04 is a good choice. 19.10 is the most recent stable release, so if you want the latest nice features then get that one.
[12:25] <nikolam> Whnever I enable external monitor, desktop icons migrate to it, how do I keep them on primary monitor and stil use external monitor?
[12:27] <xubuntu0w> well i am just installing the ubuntu to improve my game performance
[12:29] <nikolam> then definitely newest
[12:30] <nikolam> and also it pushes to even newer parts then usually, for games.
[12:30] <nikolam> then newest
[12:37] <xubuntu32w> will i still be able to run apps after installing xbuntu ?
[12:37] <xubuntu32w> win apps?
[12:53] <nikolam> I figured it, it simply does not care what monitor is primary, but which one is on the left side.
[12:54] <nikolam> one on the left side gets panel, desktop and app windows
[12:55] <henrebotha[m]> Which version are you on nikolam ?
[13:00] <nikolam> 19.04 henrebotha[m] . But I will soon migrate to 19.10
[13:00] <nikolam> they say xfdesktop got support for setting it to open on primary display.
[13:00] <nikolam> Will see how it goes for windows manager
[13:00] <henrebotha[m]> Apparently 19.10 (with Xfce 4.14) has a lot of improvements to display settings, maybe it will be better about fixing monitor layout stuff
[13:01] <nikolam> henrebotha[m], yes, I'll see how it is after update now.
[16:02] <Loeb> Since upgrading to 19.10, when coming back from a lid shut + suspend, the desktop is showing for a moment before going to the lock screen. Is this a known bug? I've removed xfce4-screensaver as it seemingly got installed during the upgrade and was messing up other things.
[16:03] <Loeb> Or, if not installed it got settings changed dramatically.
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[16:52] <brainwash> Loeb: so, you see this problem with the previous locker (light-locker)?
[16:53] <Loeb> Not actually sure which locker is being used
[16:54] <Loeb> I hadn't manually changed anything from bionic to eoan
[16:55] <Loeb> just did `apt upgrade` and let the devs take the wheel
[17:00] <brainwash> then it should still be light-locker
[17:01] <brainwash> maybe there's a new report for this type of issue
[17:05] <brainwash> only found a report for xfce4-screensaver though
[17:05] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15929
[17:05] <ubottu> bugzilla.xfce.org bug 15929 in General "on 'suspend' : locking only occurs after resume, desktop is visible (with workaround)" [Normal,New]
[17:26] <Loeb> @brainwash I think the "suspend happening before screen can be locked" scenario checks out. The posted workaround didn't work but I don't have time to super dig into it at the moment
[17:26] <Loeb> But it sounds like that's where I should start
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[22:42] <Noboru55> Hello, today i got the same problem twice in Xubuntu 18.04.  I uninstalled the e-mail client and notes in gnome-software  and after i did it, the emulator was uninstalled too and the keyboard alt+esc stopped works.  so i just reinstall all xubuntu and did the same uninstalling notes and e-mail cliente in software-gnome  and again i lost emulator
[22:42] <Noboru55> and the keyboard shortcut to menu whiskers...
[22:42] <Noboru55> just installed again the xubuntu now i will not uninstall the mail client and notes...
[22:44] <Noboru55> in the first time i lost thunar too.... oO  weird things happens when i use that new ubuntu software center
[22:46] <tomreyn> use apt or synaptic to carry out your changes, then, if you actually read the output, you will know in advance which impact they will have.
[22:47] <Noboru55> tomreyn: i always liked the synaptic.. i will do it
[22:47] <tomreyn> if you're moving software that's part of the graphical desktop, and the graphical desktop metapackage gets removed as a result of your changes, this can also cause other packages to be removed
[22:47] <tomreyn> *REmoving
[22:48] <Noboru55> i see.. probably when i deleted the email client i got some changes in the menu whisker, panel and other places
[22:49] <Noboru55> tomreyn but the gimp is better in software ubuntu.. all menu are in the same window
[22:49] <Noboru55> i do not like that old style.. and the old style is installed in synaptic or apt
[22:50] <tomreyn> i don't see how your preferences for GUIs relate to package management
[22:51] <Noboru55> maybe the version of synaptic is not the same of the software center, but its ok.. now everything is ok
[22:51] <Noboru55> ^ ^
[22:57] <brainwash> you shouldn't uninstall the email client
[22:57] <brainwash> actually, the email client launcher
[22:59] <brainwash> bug 1783764
[22:59] <ubottu> bug 1783764 in Exo "Deleting "Mail Reader" crashes the computer" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1783764
[23:10] <Noboru55> brainwash really? i did not know that.... thanks for advice
[23:11] <Noboru55> i just thought the email client was kinda a icon in panel and a item in menu
[23:11] <brainwash> yes, it is a launcher
[23:12] <Noboru55> oh... now i know why i had some problems with alt+esc
[23:12] <brainwash> but the launcher is provided by an important Xfce library
[23:12] <Noboru55> they should name it with other name
[23:12] <brainwash> this was fixed in newer Xubuntu releases already
[23:13] <brainwash> the entry for email client does not appear in the software center anymore
[23:13] <brainwash> same for web browser
[23:14] <Noboru55> i see... but the notes... can i remove?
[23:14] <brainwash> I think so
[23:14] <Noboru55> better not.. tired of reinstall xubuntu today
[23:15] <brainwash> you can remove it via terminal: sudo apt remove xfce4-notes
[23:15] <Noboru55> brainwash thank you for the explanation
[23:15] <Noboru55> brainwash i like this.. indicator-stickynotes   looks better
[23:15] <brainwash> removing a package via terminal will tell you what other packages will be removed also
[23:16] <Noboru55> right... its better to use the terminal so
[23:16] <Noboru55> xterm i guess
[23:16] <brainwash> Xfce has xfce4-terminal
[23:17] <Noboru55> xubuntu is great, surprised how it works lightweght and fine
[23:17] <Unit193> You could also use synaptic, which will also say what else will be removed.
[23:17] <Noboru55> Unit193 yes, good idea too...
[23:18] <Noboru55> just wondering to do not use the software center
[23:18] <Noboru55> after a update i can't find the games section in software center... but i'ts ok.. now i will use apt and synaptic