[05:35] <didrocks> good morning
[06:21] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:21] <jibel> hi all
[06:24] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:38] <duflu> Trifecta
[06:38] <duflu> Morning jibel and oSoMoN too
[06:44] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, hey duflu, jibel
[06:57] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, didrocks, jibel
[07:26] <seb128> goooood morning desktopers
[07:28] <duflu> Mooorning seb128
[07:33] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[07:33] <duflu> seb128, going well though slightly frustrated the day is cut short in 30 min ;)
[07:33] <duflu> You?
[07:34] <seb128> I'm good, a bit annoyed at the trolls users repeating the same rant daily on discourse though
[07:36] <duflu> Well, haters are going to hate. But at the same time, sometimes a good point is made like launch speed
[07:37] <duflu> It drives me crazy too
[07:38] <seb128> the discussions or the startup time?
[07:38] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:39] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme?
[07:39] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ?
[07:39] <seb128> duflu, haters can hate, there is just no reason we should have to deal with them on our discourse though, they can go hating on their user forums
[07:39] <seb128> didrocks, ça va, j'suis rentré avec 1h de retard au final donc ça a été :)
[07:41] <duflu> seb128, the startup time. I ignore trolls mostly, or report them when appropriate
[07:41] <seb128> duflu, is it the calculator or other things? and how slow is it for you?
[07:42] <didrocks> ça va, ça aurait pu être pire
[07:43] <duflu> seb128, calculator, chromium, snaps in general
[07:43] <duflu> Like other people I generally cold boot so it hits me all the time
[07:43] <duflu> I don't want to complain though. I know we have plans to work on it further
[07:44] <seb128> duflu, well it's going to have data from people who aren't trolls
[07:44] <duflu> And I am writing an article that suggests how to approach it :)
[07:44] <seb128> I do agree that the tradeoff for a calculator is probably not making sense
[07:44] <seb128> but I didn't find it so annoying for bigger apps that are slow to start anyway
[07:45] <seb128> like a few seconds more when I first start e.g my browser in the morning isn't really noticable to me
[08:01] <Laney> morning!
[08:02] <willcooke> moin
[08:02] <clobrano> morning all 0/
[08:03] <duflu> Morning Laney, willcooke, clobrano
[08:03] <didrocks> hey Laney, willcooke, clobrano
[08:09] <oSoMoN> good morning seb128, Laney, willcooke, clobrano
[08:09] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, comment ça va aujourd'hui ?
[08:10] <oSoMoN> mieux :) et toi?
[08:11] <seb128> ça va :)
[08:13] <dupondje> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Will-Cooke-Leaving-Canonical ! OH
[08:13] <dupondje> Good luck willcooke  :)
[08:14] <willcooke> thanks dupondje
[08:14] <Laney> hi dupondje didrocks oSoMoN
[08:14] <jibel> willcooke would do anything to make phoronix headline ;)
[08:14] <willcooke> oy
[08:14] <willcooke> :D
[08:15] <dupondje> You could do a commit in wireguard also for that :D
[08:15] <dupondje> hehe
[08:45] <willcooke> :DD
[09:43] <duflu> seb128, fyi bluez 5.51 works on eoan: https://git.launchpad.net/~bluetooth/bluez/log/
[09:43] <duflu> So I would aim to get it into focal as soon as convenient
[09:44] <ogra> willcooke, dude ! do i now need to join the desktop team to bring the smoke to the smoke tests ?
[09:44] <willcooke> ogra, XD
[10:10] <duflu> seb128, or just see bug 1849641
[10:10]  * duflu goes to make dinner
[12:15] <Laney> new pulseaudio streams that firefox is creating are coming up muted for me :(
[12:46] <seb128> Laney, :(
[12:50] <seb128> popey, can we get that sibe39 guy banned from posting on discourse for $time?
[12:51] <seb128> willcooke, ^ or you?
[12:51] <ogra> +1
[12:51] <ogra> or rather +1000
[12:52] <Beret> so desktop notifications don't seem to disappear until I mouse over them - is that intended or a bug?
[12:52] <ogra> funnily he actually listened to you and stopped posting on that one thread ... (to take over all the others that could potentially be about snaps :P )
[12:52] <Beret> (this is 19.10)
[12:54] <oSoMoN> +1 on banning that person, (s)he is starting to get on my nerves, so much time wasted reading their neverending complaints about snaps
[12:54] <ogra> well, the last two posts look like copy/paste to random threads actually
[12:57] <seb128> Beret, depends of the notifications, those flagged as 'urgent' stick there iirc. Also if you mouseovr the bubble it will not go away until you move the mouse away
[12:57] <seb128> Beret, do you get the issue all the time/with any notification?
[12:58] <Beret> the only notifications I get are from google calendar and it happens with all of those
[12:58] <Beret> (on a regular basis I mean)
[13:00] <ogra> Beret, isnt that a browser notification (i.e. not integrated at all with desktop notifications)
[13:01] <ogra> (my gcal ones (coming from chromium) are not even themed)
[13:01] <seb128> those could be coming from the browser or through eds/desktop integration
[13:01] <ogra> right
[13:01] <seb128> screenshot would help to tell
[13:02] <ogra> they definitely stick (i turned them off in gcal)
[13:02] <seb128> chrome/ium has an option to use the gtk theme for notifications
[13:06] <ogra> would that adjust behaviour too ?
[13:09] <ogra> seb128, https://imgur.com/a/Y1kUYN0
[13:12] <ogra> they actually only go away if i click the X
[13:30] <seb128> popey, thanks!
[13:36] <popey_> yw :)
[13:50] <sergiusens> kenvandine: morning, still have FAIL: test_extension (tests.unit.project_loader.extensions.test_gnome_3_28.ExtensionTest) failing
[13:50] <kenvandine> sergiusens: sigh... looking :)
[13:53] <teward> does the Desktop team have any say in the packaging of, say, Thunderbird?
[13:53] <teward> because there's some major breakages in Thunderbird as is on 18.04 environments, and Thunderbird hasn't had updates since 60.* and is 68.* upstream now.
[13:54] <oSoMoN> teward, yes, as a matter of fact I look after thunderbird in Ubuntu
[13:54] <oSoMoN> and I'm working on backporting 68 to bionic (and xenial and disco)
[13:55] <diddledan> if only there was a snap
[13:55] <oSoMoN> I'd be interested in hearing about those "major breakages" though, if possible as bug reports
[13:56] <teward> oSoMoN: they're mostly with 'third party plugins' ala Enigmail
[13:57] <teward> so they don't get bugs here.
[13:57] <teward> namely, Enigmail + TBird 60 == ERR:CRASH in all cases
[13:57] <teward> can't use it
[13:57] <teward> even the 'older' upstream releases of Enigmail (and yes I tried them)
[13:57] <teward> oSoMoN: right now, I have a TBird 68 install running out of /opt/mozila/thunderbird/ to make my email and email with PGP work, as well as to support certain other things I need.
[13:58] <teward> but i'm pretty curious on your progress (if you don't mind keeping me in the loop that'd be grand, or if you have a tracking bug for the progress I Can subscribe to that'd be great also)
[13:59] <teward> oSoMoN: do we even package the Enigmail plugin?  I could have sworn at one point there was a package for it...
[14:01] <mdeslaur> teward: I'm running thunderbird and enigmail from archive packages just fine
[14:01] <teward> mdeslaur: right, but i don't use the archive package enigmail for reasons.  the problem here though is introduced with a second problem:
[14:01] <teward> if you backport TBird 68 you need to also backport 2.1.2 / repackage it for the older releases
[14:01] <teward> since < 2.1.2 doesn't have TBird 68 support
[14:02] <mdeslaur> teward: yes, the enigmail package is usually updated along with thunderbird
[14:03] <seb128> teward, I'm using tb60 and enigmail from the archive without issue...
[14:04] <seb128> teward, you should report bugs about your problem, but your fact statement is boggus
[14:04] <oSoMoN> teward, as mdeslaur said, you should use enigmail from the archive, that works well. And I'm updating enigmail to a newer upstream release along with thunderbird, indeed
[14:04] <teward> oSoMoN: let me know when you provide those, because I ran into an issue with the packaged enigmail not liking gnupg2 at one point (which is why I went with upstream)
[14:05] <oSoMoN> teward, thunderbird 68.1.2 and enigmail 2.1.2 are already in eoan, fwiw
[14:05] <teward> oSoMoN: nice.  (I stick to LTSes on my major systems though)
[14:05] <teward> glad to see it's in Eoan.
[14:05] <teward> ... if i'm bored I might do an in-PPA backport, but i'm currently focused on nginx in server atm with some work to get it updated and get some FFes from the Release Team ahead of time
[14:06] <teward> ... oh that reminds me, note to self reach out to the rest of the server team bigwigs... *goes to make notes to himself*
[14:06] <seb128> there is also a thunderbird snap
[14:06] <seb128> you might try 68 from the edge channel
[14:07] <seb128> that should work on the LTS
[14:07] <seb128> (it does lack translations though)
[14:18] <oSoMoN> teward, I don't have a tracking bug, but you can subscribe to https://trello.com/c/cbm9DllY/237-thunderbird-6812-update
[14:18] <oSoMoN> and it's high on my to-do list
[14:30] <mvo> silly question - https://extensions.gnome.org/ tells me my native host connection is not detected, AIUI that means I need to install chrome-gnome-shell (?). is there a reason we don't do this by default?
[14:32] <ogra> because we hate our users ...
[14:32] <ogra> (same reason why we pre-seed snap packages in installs)
[14:32] <ogra> :)
[14:34] <seb128> mvo, security team hates it (with reasons) iirc
[14:34] <seb128> mvo, also doesn't work with chromium now since it's a snap but I'm unsure what browser you use
[14:35] <seb128> mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chrome-gnome-shell/+bug/1695565/comments/7
[14:36] <Laney> Software can install them also
[14:43] <hellsworth> morning everyone
[14:51] <seb128> hey hellsworth
[14:54] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[14:57] <hellsworth> hiii :)
[15:03] <mvo> seb128: thank you
[15:16] <kenvandine> sergiusens: tests fixed for both PRs
[15:20] <sergiusens> thanks kenvandine
[15:22] <kenvandine> sergiusens: there are a few unrelated failures when I run it locally
[15:22] <kenvandine> But everything in extensions are pass6
[15:42] <Laney> can't reproduce that rls bug I got assigned
[16:46] <Laney> tseliot: would you mind looking at bug #1845801 please? tried with 390, 435 here and automatic login works :(
[16:51] <willcooke> night all
[16:52] <teward> seb128: given I'm using US English I don't think translations are a concern there heh.
[16:52] <teward> thanks oSoMoN
[16:53] <teward> another question, does the Desktop team have any influence on the Network Manager GUI plugins for VPN(s)?
[17:43] <om26er> is there a "blessed" python3.8 ppa by the desktop team or foundations team ?
[17:50] <seb128> om26er, desktop no, I don't know about foundations
[17:51] <seb128> teward, what's the question about VPN plugins?
[17:52] <om26er> hmm, in that case, I'll try my chances with https://launchpad.net/~deadsnakes/+archive/ubuntu/ppa (fingers crossed)
[17:52] <kenvandine> om26er: deadsnakes, what could go wrong :)
[17:53] <om26er> I would build py38 from source but I need to use that in a snap and need it for all(most) arches ;-)
[18:17] <teward> seb128: lack of the OpenVPN plugin's GUI allowing tls-version-{min,max}
[18:18] <teward> which i discovered testing the same plugin in Debian Unstable and discovered it needing some attention locally because of Debian changing the TLS defaults in OpenSSL to lock it to 1.3 and disable tls 1.0-1.2 by default
[18:19] <teward> (so if you can't pass tls version min/max to openvpn via the plugin to override it will fail to authenticate anywhere)
[18:19] <teward> less of an issue since here in Ubuntu we don't intend on pulling in that default-TLS-version change (I checked with Security Team), but still relevant
[18:34] <seb128> teward, try nagging #nm about getting https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/NetworkManager-openvpn/merge_requests/15 reviewed?
[18:34] <teward> seb128: that's exactly the thing i manually patched in my Bionic xD
[18:34] <teward> it needs that in Debian for an important-severity bug too
[18:35] <seb128> teward, well, #nm would be the right channel to ask about getting it reviewed
[18:35] <seb128> the changes landing upstream makes easier to get distro backports
[18:36] <teward> true statement
[18:45] <teward> seb128: dead channel seems dead though :p
[18:46] <teward> i can say with certainty though the patches in that merge req don't break the package and work find out of the box with the version from Eoan/Focal.  Doesn't apply cleanly to the version in Bionic, so I just got mad and backported the entire thing in a PPA to Bionic xD
[19:15] <seb128> teward, indeed, seems pretty quiet today, maybe some people are on holidays ... it might be worth pinging on the mp as well
[19:24] <teward> seb128: yep I made a post about it being more critical to include since Debian Buster, so.
[19:25] <seb128> thx
[19:25] <teward> this said, the patch applied cleanly to 1.8.10 in Unstable, and worked well
[19:25] <teward> it also worked in the Focal and Eoan and Bionic versions of 1.8.10 (Bionic's a backport in a PPA heh)
[19:25] <teward> so I have first hand knowledge that this does indeed work xD
[20:00] <sergiusens> kenvandine: are you still looking forward to a hotfix?
[20:01] <kenvandine> sergiusens: yes
[20:02] <kenvandine> I haven't seen a snapd fix
[20:04] <kenvandine> sergiusens: even edge is fine
[20:04] <sergiusens> kenvandine: is this for your docker magic?
[20:04] <sergiusens> kenvandine: if so, it should be building on edge soon as I just merged it
[20:05] <kenvandine> LP
[20:05] <kenvandine> I can have my build use edge
[20:06] <kenvandine> That's good enough
[20:07] <sergiusens> ok, thanks, I will get this chugging, there are a lot of big changes on edge though ;-)
[20:10] <sergiusens> hmm, TLS issues on our builder
[20:10] <sergiusens> if they persist, this might take a bit longer
[20:19] <sergiusens> kenvandine: currently building on edge -> https://code.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/+snap/snapcraft
[20:20] <sergiusens> kenvandine: if you want just the minor delta, we can talk about it if this doesn't work out for you
[22:54] <kenvandine> Laney: I published a build of gnome-calculator built with the fixed snapcraft
[22:54] <kenvandine> Laney: next image build should work