[04:39] <Regor> using "software" to install applications is terrible !  its slow/heavy/buggy 💀️ .  packagekit runs in background always eating 140-165 mb ram even"software" is opened for once a minute 👹️ ! . it fails the purpose of xfce . apt is best ! i purged "software" (gnome-software) and disabled packagekit /gnome apps . now system runs light and fast 😀️
[04:45] <Unit193> You can use Synaptic if you prefer a GUI, and package-update-indicator if you need a tray icon to indicate updates.
[05:16] <Regor> i use apt mostly though i have installed synaptic too.which is conviennt in searching packages in categories.
[05:17] <Unit193> Or via origins.
[05:17] <Regor> origins ?
[05:18] <Unit193> Yes, where the package came from, or if it's local only.  This is useful if you use external repos.
[05:18] <Regor> cool
[06:34] <xubuntu63w> Using xubuntu 18.04. how can I connect Android phone.
[06:35] <xubuntu63w> Using xubuntu 18.04. how can i connect Android phone
[06:37] <xubuntu63w> xubuntu, how can I connect Android
[06:39] <well_laid_lawn> what sort of connection ?
[06:39] <well_laid_lawn> file transfer or access point or ...
[06:39] <xubuntu63w> Wireless
[06:40] <well_laid_lawn> see if this helps https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/11/connect-android-ubuntu-gsconnect
[06:41] <xubuntu63w> gsconnect can't install or run
[06:42] <xubuntu63w> Using 18.04 version of xubuntu
[06:42] <xubuntu63w> Can not find in software package
[06:42] <well_laid_lawn> k
[06:45] <xubuntu63w>  gsconnect show service unavailable
[06:46] <xubuntu63w> FF extension of gsconnect
[06:47] <well_laid_lawn> having a read on the net suggests you need the kdeconnect app on your phone
[06:48] <well_laid_lawn> you can install kdeconnect in xubuntu
[06:48] <well_laid_lawn> !ifo kdeconnect
[06:48] <well_laid_lawn> !info kdeconnect
[06:49] <xubuntu63w> Kdconnect install in phone but cannot find PC
[06:51] <xubuntu63w> Did not install kdconnect in xubuntu
[06:54] <well_laid_lawn> kdeconnect will hae to be running on the xubuntu pc
[06:55] <well_laid_lawn> kdeconnect will have to be running on the xubuntu pc
[07:00] <xubuntu63w> Ok, then I will install kdeconnect & see gsconnect working or not
[07:59] <nikolam> I upgraded to 19.10 and everything is slow as hell, system is unusable. Maybe that is something about support for multiple monitors? CPU is T5600 64-bit laptop, worked fine on 19.04
[07:59] <nikolam> While I am typing (ps/2 keyboard) everything is slow and I am typing blindly. Waited 10 + minutes for hexchat to start
[08:01] <nikolam> cpu usage showing in panel says one core full use and changing used cores, but in top I can't see anything
[08:01] <nikolam> And yes, Mega sync proprietary app crashed after update.
[08:03] <nikolam> and yes, it is lowlatency kernel
[08:10] <nikolam> I think everything was fine on thes account, until I clicked to enabel dual monitor in non-mirror image config
[08:50] <nikolam> Seems like multiple monitor option with changes in Xubuntu 19.10/xfce is buggy. (Intel 945GM laptop graphics)
[08:51] <nikolam> The moment I turn on on external VGA monitor in Display settings in Xubuntu, everything starts to work super slow, like not usable
[08:51] <nikolam> After I turn off displaying picture on externa display everything speedwise is back to normal
[09:01] <nikolam> So now I can't use external monitor in Xubuntu 19.10..
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> nikolam:  you could try using xrandr from a terminal
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> or arandr if you need to click
[09:06] <nikolam> well_laid_lawn, have you seen previous thing, that turning on external monitor, slows down everything in 19.10
[09:08] <nikolam> https://pastebin.com/KsWJbAY3
[09:14] <nikolam> Seems like Screen compositing is problem now in Xubuntu 19.10. When it is turned on and there are multiple monitors enabled (with different images), then it is all slow and unusable. When i turn off compositing, it seems working ok.
[09:35] <well_laid_lawn> nikolam:  I haven't tried the 19.* xubuntus yet
[09:46] <nikolam> Maybe it's also about compositing for certain hardware. here is 945GM
[09:57] <brainwash> nikolam: vsync on or off?
[10:05] <nikolam> brainwash, i have to find where to check it. it is 945GM graphics
[10:05] <brainwash> xfce settings > window manager tweaks > compositor
[10:07] <brainwash> also this https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/tree/COMPOSITOR
[10:07] <brainwash> you could test with vblank=xpresent
[10:10] <nikolam> I don't see vsync option in xfce settings > window manager tweaks > compositor
[10:10] <nikolam> I will read
[10:16] <nikolam> with xfwm4 --replace --vblank=glx & and compositing enabled, it is very slow.
[10:16] <nikolam> with xfwm4 --replace --vblank=xpresent & and compositing enabled, it is ok
[10:17] <nikolam> with xfwm4 --replace --vblank=off & and compositing enabled, it is working, but slower
[10:19] <brainwash> okay
[10:21] <brainwash> xpresent was the default until some months ago. due to some issues with the nvidia driver it was changed back to glx.
[10:22] <nikolam> yes, didn't have problems on xubuntu 19.04 with this.
[10:22] <brainwash> the intel driver may enforce vsync via its settings
[10:22] <brainwash> worth to check it
[10:23] <nikolam> it didn't behave slower until it is set not to mirror image on both monitors, then it starts like that.
[10:23] <brainwash> right. you mentioned that.
[10:24] <well_laid_lawn> man intel    shows lots of options
[10:25] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15889
[10:26] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15963
[10:27] <brainwash> I suggest to read through those
[10:27] <brainwash> and create a new report if needed
[10:33] <nikolam> thanks brainwash
[10:45] <Regor> i see sometimes a 4.1 kb volume disk ! why it appears ? on bionic
[11:20] <brainwash> Regor: check the properties dialog
[11:22] <Regor> ok
[11:22] <Regor> i  Rebooted ..now i dont see it
[11:24] <Regor> it appears sometimes so i would take note next time
[11:41] <brainwash> Regor: maybe something to do with the snap package backend
[11:43] <brainwash> when you run the "mount" command in a terminal window, I will list entries for snap packages
[11:50] <Regor> i disabled  snap in session/startup on first day of installation since i dont use/need snap . i checked the issue on web ...and found many people facing it on bionic .
[11:50] <Regor> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2415085
[11:53] <brainwash> session and startup? but snapd is still present on your system
[11:53] <brainwash> next time it happens, simply check the output or "mount"
[11:53] <Regor> ok
[11:54] <Regor> yeah i would do that
[11:54] <brainwash> and obviously the properties dialog
[11:54] <Regor> ok
[11:56] <tomreyn> maybe also run (and gather the output of)     gio mount --list --detail    then
[11:57] <Regor> yeah..
[17:37] <CICDC> Hello, after upgrading to 19.10, I can no longer lock my screen with `ctrl-alt-l` in the app shortcuts, this is still linked to `xflock4` what should I update this to?
[17:41] <brainwash> CICDC: you probably should ensure that either xfce4-screensaver or light-locker are started with the session
[17:42] <CICDC> Also in the action buttons in the panel, the "lock screen" also not does nothing. Guessing it's related
[17:50] <CICDC> light-locker is seems to be running, however `pgreg xfce4-screensaver` didn't return anything so guessing it's not
[17:53] <CICDC> durp-a-der misspelled pgrep above, but still not running.
[17:56] <CICDC> Should I remove xflock4 then? Is this blocking something? Why wouldn't the screensaver be loading automatically? Thanks for your help
[17:58] <brainwash> xflock4 is a simply script
[17:59] <brainwash> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/tree/scripts/xflock4
[18:00] <brainwash> the xubuntu version is patched, so it has light-locker in the list
[18:00] <brainwash> does the command "light-locker-command --lock" work?
[18:01] <brainwash> alternatively, remove light-locker, install xfce4-screensaver, relog, test
[18:53] <CICDC> Thanks brainwash although light-locker does work, I think I'm going to remove it in favor of of the new xfce-screensaver
[19:02] <xubuntu54w> ok, silly seeming question.  I'm trying to use the "cheese" application to film with a usb webcam, but the default is my laptops onboard.  Unfortunately, the preferences for cheese, where one can switch inputs, are accessed through a separate menubar at the top of the screen, which appears in gnome, but not by default in xubuntu. Does anyone know
[19:02] <xubuntu54w> how I can access that preferences in the global menu?
[19:06] <diogenes_> xubuntu54w, click on cheese > preferences: https://i.imgur.com/FHaWw41.png
[19:12] <xubuntu54w> when I click on it in the top bar i just get the menu with resize maximize etc.  https://ibb.co/PMMNjS3
[19:13] <xubuntu54w> i feel like im missing something, but i cant be this inept lol. i been searching how to open the preferences from the command line too, its possible to edit the config but then playing with a cam will become a giant project.
[19:14] <diogenes_> xubuntu54w, screenshot
[19:20] <xubuntu54w> i posted a screenshot in the link above. thats my desktop with cheese open. prntscrn doesnt work with the right click menu open, but when i right click on it on the top bar i just get "minimize, maximize, move, resize etc."  im just trying to get the global menu.  in most other apps like firefox or xfce terminal you can force the menu with f10, but
[19:20] <xubuntu54w> for whatever reason that doesnt work in cheese. frustrating.
[19:23] <diogenes_> xubuntu54w, then you can record with vlc or guvcview
[19:26] <xubuntu54w> ah yeah totally forgot vlc can capture, thanks. still frustrating being defeated by such a simple app and a preferences menu lol.
[19:28] <diogenes_> wel it has the menu in place for me.
[19:29] <xubuntu54w> weird. i just updated to 19.10 yesterday, i wonder if it's some glitch?
[21:46] <XubuntuNub> Guys.
[21:46] <XubuntuNub> I am sorry to let you down but i can't install Xubuntu
[21:46] <XubuntuNub> hence the nickname
[21:47] <XubuntuNub> I would like some help guys..
[22:30] <tomreyn> !details | XubuntuNub
[22:57] <XubuntuNub> Alright boy, Strap in because this is long. First off, PC spec  : 64 GB HP 360x touchscreen 4gb ram Pentium processor. Been doing the normal Xubuntu set-up and i got the error  Executing "grub-install /dev/sda failed
[22:58] <kadiro> XubuntuNub> check the bios may be
[23:01] <XubuntuNub> Willco
[23:06] <XubuntuNub> USB Boot is enable and Network is disabled. Legacy support is disable and Secure boot too. Boot order of UEFI is USB, OS boot manager
[23:08] <kadiro> in that way it must work unless the iso is not good or something else
[23:15] <XubuntuNub> Okay
[23:15] <XubuntuNub> I just need to burn a new iso on my ysb?
[23:19] <kadiro> XubuntuNub> chack it with md5sum sha25sum ..
[23:20] <kadiro> check*
[23:20] <kadiro> if it is ok than the problem is something else
[23:31] <XubuntuNub> oh oh oh
[23:31] <XubuntuNub> kadiro I am seeing another thing
[23:31] <kadiro> tel me
[23:31] <XubuntuNub> While restarting, it is having new options
[23:32] <kadiro> like what
[23:32] <XubuntuNub> I have Reinstall Ubuntu 19.10
[23:32] <kadiro> ah
[23:32] <XubuntuNub> erase ubuntu 19.10
[23:32] <kadiro> can you boot?
[23:32] <XubuntuNub> install Xubuntru 19.10 alongside ubuntu 19.10
[23:32] <XubuntuNub> It is on a live session
[23:32] <XubuntuNub> of Xubuntu
[23:33] <kadiro> your machine have already ubuntu 19.10 ?
[23:33] <XubuntuNub> No
[23:33] <XubuntuNub> It was on Win 10
[23:33] <XubuntuNub> I tried a live sesion of ubuntu but it was too demanding
[23:33] <kadiro> oh things become complicated
[23:34] <XubuntuNub> That much more?
[23:35] <kadiro> I guess you already installed ubuntu19.10 alongside with win10 and your liveusb detected it
[23:35] <XubuntuNub> Yeah?
[23:35] <kadiro> it tried to overide the boot grub but it cant for some reason
[23:36] <kadiro> that's my guess i could be wrong
[23:38] <kadiro> XubuntuNub> If you have already an ubuntu19.10 and you want to switch to xubuntu 19.10 you can try to install xubuntu-desktop only
[23:38] <XubuntuNub> Problem is I erased Ubuntu to swtich to Xubuntu
[23:39] <XubuntuNub> I don't understand how it could conflict with each other
[23:39] <kadiro> XubuntuNub> when you boot without the liveusb do you see the grub menu?
[23:42] <XubuntuNub> Yes
[23:42] <kadiro> ah that's the problem
[23:42] <kadiro> that mean ubuntu is there
[23:43] <kadiro> but you can install xubuntu even if ubuntu is there
[23:44] <kadiro> just make sure the iso is good
[23:44] <XubuntuNub> Alright
[23:44] <XubuntuNub> Done
[23:44] <XubuntuNub> What install option should I choose
[23:44] <kadiro> tell me when you boot with the liveusb what the option you have
[23:45] <kadiro> In my case I always choose the 1st that have 'Try ...'
[23:46] <kadiro> that way i can boot in live session and see if i can fix things
[23:50] <XubuntuNub> Option : 1. Erase Ubuntu 19.10 2. Install Xubuntu 19.10 alongside Ubuntu 19.10
[23:50] <XubuntuNub> 3. Erase Disk and install Xubuntu
[23:51] <XubuntuNub> 4. Experimental : Erase disk and use ZFS 5. Something else
[23:51] <kadiro> don't use the 3rd one
[23:52] <kadiro> may be the 1st that only remove ubuntu hoppefuly it will don't mess with your win10
[23:52] <kadiro> not*