[05:57] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[05:57] <oSoMoN> happy Friday!
[06:03] <Wimpress> Morning oSoMoN
[06:03] <oSoMoN> hey Wimpress
[06:12] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and Wimpress
[06:12] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:21] <didrocks> good morning
[06:22] <jibel> Bonjour didrocks
[06:22] <jibel> hi all
[06:26] <duflu> Hi didrocks and jibel
[06:31] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, jibel
[06:35] <didrocks> salut jibel, oSoMoN, hey duflu
[07:22] <mwhudson> oSoMoN: so sorry to have been so slack about rust and cargo
[07:22] <mwhudson> oSoMoN: i have rustc done i think, just waiting for test builds and then will upload to the ppa
[07:23] <mwhudson> cargo i have building for focal/amd64, testing in my ppa before backporting
[07:41] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers, happy friday!
[07:45] <didrocks> good Friday seb128
[07:46] <seb128> lut didrocks, ça va aujourd'hui ?
[07:47] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ?
[07:51] <seb128> ça va, c'est vendredi :)
[07:52] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:54] <oSoMoN> mwhudson, thanks! please ping me when it's all done (or mark the bug fixed)
[07:54] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:59] <seb128> hey oSoMoN, duflu, how are you today?
[07:59] <oSoMoN> I'm good. you?
[08:00] <duflu> seb128, going well. BTW just published https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/boosting-the-real-time-performance-of-gnome-shell-3-34-in-ubuntu-19-10/13095
[08:01] <duflu> I don't know if Markdown is used on other sites like insights but Martin mentioned he would help with cross posting
[08:02] <Laney> hey
[08:02] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:04] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:05] <seb128> oSoMoN, I'm good thanks
[08:05] <seb128> hey Laney!
[08:05] <seb128> duflu, nice
[08:08] <Wimpress> Morning desktoppers o/
[08:09] <Wimpress> duflu: Nice one!
[08:09] <Wimpress> I'll get that shared on the socials :-)
[08:09] <Laney> greetings duflu oSoMoN didrocks seb128
[08:09] <Laney> et Wimpress
[08:09] <Wimpress> Laney o/
[08:11] <seb128> hey Wimpress, how are you? how was the webminar yesterday?
[08:12] <Wimpress> Very well thanks. Had coffee and hot chocolate with my daughter before school today. So that was a great start to the day :-)
[08:13] <Wimpress> Webinar went well. All the questions were desktop related :-D
[08:13] <seb128> nice
[08:13] <seb128> & nice as well, desktop \o/
[08:13] <Wimpress> Thanks to didrocks and jibel for the prep yesterday.
[08:14] <didrocks> Wimpress: how did the webinar go?
[08:15] <Wimpress> didrocks: All good. No trickey quaestions.
[08:15] <didrocks> excellent!
[08:15] <Wimpress> One about "what is an upgrade from 19.04 fails, can I roll back"
[08:15] <Wimpress> Used that as an opportunity to explain how ZFS/zsys is a great solution for avoiding wedged upgrades in the future :-)
[08:16] <didrocks> yeah, perfect illustration
[08:17] <jibel> Great to hear it went well
[08:17] <duflu> ❤️🐄
[08:17] <duflu> (COW = copy on write)
[08:18] <didrocks> roh!
[08:21] <oSoMoN> copy on write has its own emoji, what a wonderful world we live in
[08:25] <Laney> kenvandine: no error message this morning, looks good ^_^
[08:33] <pieq> duflu, oh, looks like a great article you just posted! The perfect treat to end a Friday :)
[09:07] <willcooke> morning all.  Genuinely overslept this morning.
[09:08] <Laney> hahah
[09:14] <seb128> hey willcooke, getting in the spirit for the next few weeks? ;)
[09:15] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[09:19] <willcooke> I hope so seb128 :)
[09:19] <willcooke> Afternoon duflu, great discourse post.
[09:23] <mwhudson> oSoMoN: ok https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ubuntu/rust-updates/+packages has everything building
[09:23] <seb128> kenvandine, marcustomlinson, hellsworth, gnome-clocks snap started failing to build because it has a new build-depends on libhandy (which isn't part of bionic so should probably be built as a part)
[09:23] <mwhudson> i think i should work on preparing the 1.38 / 0.39 updates soon before i forget how all this work
[09:27] <Laney> tseliot: re-ping from yesterday ?
[09:32] <popey> oSoMoN: morning - what's our rationale for not fully supporting touch in Firefox? (see https://twitter.com/killyourfm/status/1187662288783839232)
[09:51] <seb128> popey, oSoMoN, it's bug #1697122 , fedora does it in their distro wrapper https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/firefox/blob/master/f/firefox.sh.in#_143
[09:52] <popey> huh, interesting
[09:56] <seb128> popey, comment #7/#10 on launchpad shows it has side effect/creates problem which is why upstream doesn't default to it either
[09:56] <popey> thanks!
[09:58] <seb128> np
[09:58] <seb128> popey, the main issue seems to be https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1182700 and looks like it's a problem on X11 only, so probably less for fedora which defaults to wayland
[10:02] <duflu> That mozilla variable also doesn't perform anywhere as well as the Chromium implementation so there's another bug that hasn't beed logged yet(?)
[10:03] <seb128> yeah, dunno if that one got reported
[10:14] <popey> duflu: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/10/25/wondering-why-ubuntu-1910-feel-so-much-faster-heres-your-answer/#27d9154b3f52
[10:15] <popey> "excruciating detail" - well done! :D
[10:15] <duflu> popey, thanks but it's Friday night so I will work toward logging off instead of reading the comment s:)
[10:15] <popey> Wise :)
[10:27] <tjaalton> tkamppeter: you uploaded an older n-m to bionic? (1.10.14-0u2 -> 1.10.6-2u1.2)
[10:28] <tjaalton> or someone did
[10:29] <tkamppeter> tjaalton, not me, I do not have upload rights on nm, but we settled on an agreement not doing the full upstream update, due to regressions.
[10:29] <tjaalton> I'll just reject it from the queue
[10:30] <tjaalton> oh
[10:30] <seb128> tjaalton, can you review rygel/eoan please, I would like to see that in today if possible
[10:31] <tjaalton> ok
[10:31] <tjaalton> tkamppeter: so there was an sru for 1.10.14 at some point and it got rejected? lp shows the diff against that one but the versions page shows 1.10.6
[10:33] <seb128> tjaalton, yeah, that failed verification and we couldn't figure out a way to address the regressions so tkamppeter decided it was better to go with fix backports rather than the update
[10:33] <seb128>  
[10:33] <tkamppeter> tjaalton, yes, the first SRU got rejected.
[10:33] <seb128> if anyone wonder about 19.10 reports lacking proper backtrace on e.u.c, that's being looked at
[10:33] <seb128> it's due to launchpad / empty Contents-amd64.gz for eoan
[10:33] <seb128> which the retracers use to know what dbg they need to install
[10:34] <tjaalton> seb128: btw, not a serious issue, but it sometimes confuses me that desktop sru's don't use the "traditional" versioning, like adding .N to the packaging version ;)
[10:35] <seb128> tjaalton, yeah, we are still inconsistant if versioning :/
[10:35] <seb128> we should probably just follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update_the_packaging
[10:36] <tjaalton> rygel is fine :)
[10:36] <seb128> :)
[10:38] <tjaalton> and is accepted
[10:39] <seb128> thanks!
[10:40] <seb128> jibel, did you hit bug #1849773 yourself? if so can you share the pdf it's happening with? I tried to dnd/select text in a few pdf without issue here
[10:42] <jibel> seb128, I did
[10:43] <jibel> unfortunately I cannot share the pdf, it contains sensitive information
[10:44] <seb128> k, well if you can maybe extract one page that you can share with me only or something
[10:44] <seb128> or if you find another one
[10:44] <jibel> I cannot :) I'll try to find another one
[10:44] <seb128> or at least describe in the bug what you do to trigger the crash. It seems to have to be with text selection, but is that just selecting? or then doing dnd or some aciton?
[10:44] <seb128> thx
[10:44] <jibel> I actually don't know what I did. I'll try to find a reproducer
[10:45] <seb128> would be useful, thx
[10:45] <seb128> brb, dropping of line while moving back to my office
[11:10] <tseliot> Laney, looking
[11:13] <seb128> jibel, I'm back, sorry I had to drop from IRC for a bit
[11:14] <jibel> seb128, it's actually very easy to reproduce with the doc I have. Just try to select some text in the doc
[11:15] <jibel> at least I can verify a fix
[11:17] <seb128> k, I will try on a bunch of files see if I can find one triggering the issue
[11:20] <jibel> I tried with dozens of pdf and it's the only one crashing
[11:51] <Laney> thanks eds for notifying me about an appointment yesterday
[12:15] <seb128> eds is always a bit lame with those reminders, the dialog which opens sucks as well, same with the shell handling of notifications. I had a 'one event' notification sticking on my lock screen today for a meeting from yesterday, it's just that I didn't clear the notification in the panel popdown thing
[12:16] <Laney> feel like those eds popups shouldn't be showing, at least in shell sessions they should be integrated with the desktop itself in a nice way
[12:16] <Laney> be a nice task to work on at some point :-)
[12:18] <Laney> nope, you can't do 'cd' to change branches in git
[12:20] <seb128> yeah, I'm unsure of the purpose of those dialogs, we already have notifications
[12:21] <ogra> probably just adjust the text ? "you missed the following meeting yesterday:"
[12:24] <seb128> is that something that is useful to tell users though?
[12:25] <seb128> especially that in practice you probably didn't miss those
[12:25] <Laney> seb128's troll detector needs readjusting
[12:25] <seb128> it's friday, don't try to get complicated processing from me :p
[12:25] <Wimpress> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/ubuntu-improves-gnome-shell-performance/
[12:26] <Wimpress> duflu 👆
[12:27] <seb128> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-data-server/issues/1
[12:28] <Laney> yeah
[12:28] <Laney> good everyone is aligned on this as being desirable
[12:28] <seb128> I'm trying to understand what they think the UI provides that the shell doesn't
[12:29]  * seb128 reads https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780076 as well now
[12:32] <RikMills> is the plan still for X by default in 20.04?
[12:33] <seb128> yes
[12:34] <RikMills> thanks :)
[12:57] <kenvandine> seb128: thanks, i'll fix gnome-clocks
[12:58] <seb128> kenvandine, thx, I started having a look but I could find a libhandy example, the few things that use it in debian don't have it enabled in the snap or the snap is outdated
[12:59] <kenvandine> i have some snaps that use it
[12:59] <kenvandine> i think fractal and drawing both do
[13:00] <seb128> ah ok, good to know
[13:01] <Wimpress> seb128 kenvandine I'll be 2 mins...
[13:02] <tseliot> Laney, I'll see if I can reproduce/debug it here
[13:03] <seb128> kenvandine, Wimpress, shrug, laptop crashed, rebooting...
[13:03] <Laney> great, thanks tseliot
[14:21] <hellsworth> kenvandine: do you want help with clocks?
[14:21] <hellsworth> also morning everyone :)
[14:22] <didrocks> morning hellsworth
[14:22] <hellsworth> happy friday didrocks :)
[14:23] <kenvandine> hellsworth: nah, you have enough on your plate and it's not urgent
[14:23] <hellsworth> ok kenvandine, then i'll keep looking into evince
[14:26] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[14:27] <hellsworth> hey oSoMoN !
[14:51] <willcooke> I've been putting this off all day, but I think it's probably time.  Bye bye desktoppers, love you!
[14:51] <oSoMoN> noooooooooooooooooooes
[14:51] <kenvandine> awe....
[14:51] <kenvandine> he ditched us!
[14:51] <oSoMoN> how rude
[15:26] <kenvandine> hellsworth: don't waste your time on evince right now
[15:26] <kenvandine> i haven't figured out why you ran into the weird slot/plug issue
[15:26] <kenvandine> but i found another problem... i might have a patch to your extension branch soon
[15:27] <kenvandine> hellsworth: if you can, go ahead and take a swing at adding libhandy as a part in gnome-clocks
[15:27] <kenvandine> while i figure this out
[15:27] <hellsworth> that is becuase snapd remembers taht i've installed evince with the gnome-3-28 extension (using 3.28 content snap) on this system before. if i install the new evince snap on a fresh vm, then snap connections only shows the 3-34 content snap
[15:28] <hellsworth> so the real error is Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/home/heather/snap/evince/common/.cache/gdk-pixbuf-loaders.cache': No such file or directory
[15:28] <kenvandine> hellsworth: yeah, but the snap-discard-ns should have fixed that
[15:28] <hellsworth> hmm
[15:28] <kenvandine> hellsworth: well, we have bigger issues with the evince build :)
[15:28] <hellsworth> but i can use vms to test and get around that
[15:28] <hellsworth> ok..
[15:29] <kenvandine> so hang back on evince for now
[15:29] <hellsworth> ok
[15:29] <kenvandine> we need to inject a buildenv in the build
[15:29] <kenvandine> via the extension
[15:29] <kenvandine> you can probably snag the libhandy part in the build snap and add it to gnome-clocks to get that building again
[15:30] <hellsworth> ok sure, so i'll go try to fix clocks with libhand then
[15:30] <kenvandine> thanks
[15:51] <hellsworth> kenvandine: it looks like gnome-calculator stopped working too (different reason though)
[15:51] <hellsworth> gnome-calculator_gnome-calculator.desktop[3450]: gnome-calculator: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-3.so.0: cannot open shared object file
[16:09] <kenvandine> hellsworth: what revision?
[16:09] <hellsworth> kenvandine: gnome-clocks needs a newer version of gtk than the gnomre-3-28-1804 snap provides so i'm trying it with the 3-34 extension for the heck of it. might just need to add gtk into clocks too, which would make the size huge
[16:10] <hellsworth> oh.. gnome-calculator  0+git.35c32b85-dirty
[16:10] <hellsworth> :)
[16:10] <hellsworth> let me try the stable version
[16:10] <kenvandine> ah, local build :)
[16:11] <hellsworth> yeah gnome-calculator from stable works just fine
[17:19] <Laney> gnome-shell & mutter uploaded
[17:19] <Laney> BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[17:21] <hellsworth> have a good weekend!
[20:15] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone!