[00:00] <doug16k> `systemctl --dry-run reboot` rebooted
[00:00] <doug16k> as you may have noticed
[00:01] <sarnold> Sven_vB: "If the optional argument arg is given, it will be passed as the optional argument to the reboot(2) system call. The value is architecture and firmware specific." --- apparently it can't tell when you've given the reboot subcommand with invalid arguments, because it doesn't know what is valid
[00:01] <sarnold> doug16k: yikes. can you file a bug report on that? :)
[00:01] <Sven_vB> sarnold, thanks!
[00:01] <doug16k> sure
[00:12] <doug16k> already reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1813400
[00:13] <doug16k> launchpad did a nice job finding it. I got there through `ubuntu-bug systemd` and it figured it out perfectly from my bug title
[00:14] <doug16k> I "me too"'d it
[00:14] <doug16k> I'd freak if I were a sysadmin and it did that in production
[00:17] <oerheks> but systemd is at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/237-3ubuntu10.29   <> 237-3ubuntu10.11
[00:18] <doug16k> ah, mine is probably newer eh?
[00:18] <oerheks> no
[00:18] <doug16k> will that existing bug be ignored because of version?
[00:18] <oerheks> Removed from disk on 2019-02-19.
[00:18] <sarnold> no, but if it's been ignored for nine months, that's not ideal
[00:19] <oerheks> if that bug exists in ~10.29 then the bugreport is valid and should be updated
[00:19] <sarnold> hitting 'me too' did update it, it caused the state to tranition from new to confirmed
[00:20] <sarnold> thoughI'm not sure if that'll bug xnox or not
[00:20] <doug16k> oh wow, my systemd --version says "237" too
[00:22] <oerheks> actually, in my bionic i have 237-3ubuntu10.31
[00:22] <doug16k> added a comment that it still happens on 237-3ubuntu10.31
[00:23] <doug16k> ya I checked `apt show systemd` later
[00:23] <doug16k> --version just says: systemd 237
[00:23] <doug16k> followed by what appears to be configure script parameters
[00:25] <arooni> hey team; i can pair a pair of bluetooth headphones to ubuntu but i cant get the audio to come out of them; ideas?  lenovo t420 and ubuntu 18.04
[00:26] <oerheks> arooni, check the bluetooth part in audio settings, is it A2DP ?
[00:26] <oerheks> sometimes that switch is not automatic
[00:27] <arooni> oerheks: heres what pauv thinks: https://imgur.com/a/GU0ccNr
[00:28] <arooni> a2dp would be what id like
[00:28] <arooni> whats weird is i can hear the volume up/down output from my keyboard but cant hear any apps audio output
[00:29] <oerheks> oh, and i added blueman ppa, much more stable
[00:29] <arooni> oerheks: ah interesting let me find that and use that ppa too
[00:29] <arooni> which of these?
[00:29] <arooni> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=blueman
[00:30] <arooni> this is one ive sene
[00:30] <arooni> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bluetooth/bluez
[00:30] <arooni> i've seen
[00:30] <oerheks> jups
[00:30]  * arooni is on it!
[00:31] <arooni> do i need to restart after upgrading my packages
[00:31] <arooni> or can i restart the service
[00:31] <arooni> instead
[00:31] <sarnold> arooni: what's on the playback tab?
[00:31] <oerheks> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bluetooth/bluez
[00:31] <oerheks> sudo apt-get update
[00:31] <oerheks>         
[00:32] <oerheks> should work immediatly, i think
[00:33] <arooni> oerheks:https://gist.github.com/c4d593301d9978d59dc5c33d17e58337 is 5.50 the latest version?
[00:34] <arooni> sarnold: bingo!  https://imgur.com/a/lTUmIbg  ;; anyway to get it to auto select bluetooth devices when available?  seems i have tto manually select each one
[00:34] <arooni> for each app
[00:35] <arooni> also ; seems like i need to run this on every startup to get it to find the bluetooth sink: I]  ~  pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover
[00:35] <arooni> anyway to get that to auto run on every startup/
[00:36] <sarnold> arooni: hah, please do let me know if you find it, I'm getting a bit tired of always changing my firefox audio output from dock to speakers on this hting..
[00:36] <arooni> ahhhh the joys of linux ..... ;) :P
[00:36] <arooni> sarnold: i think i'll settle for a script called 'fixbluetooth'
[00:37] <sarnold> ahhaha
[00:37] <arooni> i guess i need to run that on every startup? ;  pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover ; and  pactl load-module module-bluetooth-policy
[00:41] <arooni> i present my latest masterpiece: https://gist.github.com/arooni/e3b04d3cb2193ad09ce70d6ed8badf50
[00:42] <sarnold> it's in there twice?
[00:44] <arooni> oops mising       pactl load-module module-bluetooth-policy
[00:44] <sarnold> aha :)
[00:44] <arooni> apparently its not a masterpiece
[00:45] <sarnold> maybe ti's the mistake that humanizes you, and lets us all say "even the great masters had their off days"
[00:50] <doug16k> arooni, +1 for quoting
[01:16] <doug16k> is this the right place to ask about synchronizing launchpad gpg keys? launchpad is telling me to add hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com (at launchpad.net/~doug16k/+editgpgkeys), but it doesn't say the port. the existing one in the server list at port 11371 says Couldn't communicate with server when I try to sync my gpg key
[01:18] <doug16k> oops, +editpgpkeys
[01:24] <sarnold> doug16k: did you get it sorted?
[01:24] <doug16k> pgp thing? no
[01:24] <sarnold> :(
[01:25] <sarnold> doug16k: maybe try the web interface? https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/#
[01:26] <doug16k> I don't see a way to show/copy the public key in Passwords and Keys
[01:27] <doug16k> there's an "Export Secret Key" button, but I'm guessing that is the private key?
[01:28] <doug16k> public isn't secret, that's for sure
[01:30] <sarnold> gpg --armor --export <fingerprint> ought to give you something you can copy and paste into the box
[01:31] <doug16k> gpg --armor --export '<my finger print here, 10 groups of 4 hex digits>' says: gpg: WARNING: nothing exported
[01:33] <doug16k> gpg --list may have done it though...
[01:34] <doug16k> ah, not "armoured" though? page says "Bad Request" if I post 40-digit hex thing --list showed
[01:35] <sarnold> doug16k: yeah, it should look more like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5CDS4vTSjT/
[01:35] <sarnold> (though the actual length depends upon how many uids you have and how many signatures you have)
[01:35] <doug16k> ya I figured it should be like that
[01:35] <doug16k> PKS or whatever
[01:36] <doug16k> PKCS*
[01:37] <doug16k> like that I mean
[01:38] <doug16k> `pgp -a --list-public-keys` doesn't work either
[01:39] <sarnold> pgp?
[01:39] <sarnold> where'd you find a pgp? :)
[01:39] <doug16k> gpg... man I keep doing that
[01:40] <doug16k> :D
[01:42] <sarnold> yeah, you're not looking for a "list" operation, you're looking for an "export"
[01:42] <doug16k> got it: gpg -a --export <email>
[01:42] <doug16k> thanks
[01:43] <sarnold> now the question is, will that be enough to make launchpad happy or not?
[01:43] <doug16k> response is {"inserted":null,"updated":null,"ignored":["rsa4096/<elided>"]}
 is a bunch of hex
[01:43] <doug16k> 4096 too strong?
[01:47] <doug16k> 2048 json response seems to imply it was inserted
[01:47] <sarnold> weird
[01:47] <sarnold> other people do have 4096 keys https://launchpad.net/~vorlon but that key is quite old, certainly predates the SKS keyserver DOS mess
[01:47] <doug16k> wild guess: sql insert threw exception because of fixed size field
[01:50] <whytetech> Greetings, I am new and looking for some direction to finding where i screwed up with my networking, this is also my first time using IRC so any instruction or advice is most welcome.
[01:51] <lotuspsychje> whytetech: ubuntu desktop or server please?
[01:51] <whytetech> server 18.04
[01:51] <lotuspsychje> come join at #ubuntu-server please whytetech
[02:16] <nt0> how's optimus working out in 19.10?  anybody online have any insight?
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> nt0: its nvidia-prime these days
[02:29] <lotuspsychje> nt0: whats your ubuntu version, card chipset and driver version you are trying?
[02:31] <doug16k> is this file truncated for you? it ends in the middle of a heading: https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/2.0/+download
[02:32] <nt0> lotuspsychje: asking re: 19.10 in general.  i have a laptop that i'd like to move to *nix, but it has the nvidia/intel combo.  i'll be using the latest drivers offered and the chipset is HM175 i think.  considering ubuntu because i was surprised how much i liked the newer iterations after installing it for a friend and don't feel like configuring gentoo on a laptop that uses nvidia's prime switching
[02:34] <nt0> oh, card chipset?  is that what 'pascal' is?
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> nt0: optimus cards work nicely these days, by installing the reccomended (or later) nvidia drivers
[02:35] <doug16k> nt0, I can say prime worked fine on my intel+nvidia laptop in 18.04 LTS, using nvidia-driver-430 in "Software & Updates" "Additional Drivers" tab. I'd expect it to be as good in 19.10 but can't say I've tried it
[02:36] <nt0> doug16k: thanks.  surprisingly hard to find testimonials with a websearch.  ofc when things work people rarely leave a review (where would they?  the problem often points out the place to complain!)
[02:36] <doug16k> 860m, but ubuntu's nvidia driver is very plug and play. I had a 1060 on my desktop, and threw in a 2060 super (at the same time!) and it just worked, didn't lift a finger configuring anything
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> doug16k: the bigger RTX and GTX cards would need latest drivers for best play, from the ubuntu graphics ppa
[02:38] <doug16k> nvidia-driver-430 works perfectly on my RTX 2060 super
[02:38] <nt0> lotus did write "best" :{
[02:38] <doug16k> including in games
[02:38] <lotuspsychje> doug16k: that depends what you mean with perfectly, think if you start gaming high end..
[02:38] <nt0> s/:{/:P
[02:38] <doug16k> including gpu computing
[02:39] <doug16k> lotuspsychje, more high end than rise of the tomb raider?
[02:39] <doug16k> what do you mean?
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> doug16k: thats pretty high end indeed
[02:39] <doug16k> can crank everything complete max (including AA) and it's smooth
[02:39] <doug16k> 496GB/s mem bandwidth will do that :D
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> doug16k: come to #ubuntu-discuss plz?
[02:40] <bodiccea> I have an issue with japanese input (ibus/mozc, I tried also ibus/anthy): I just cannot input any japanese, input keeps western. Any clue ? xubuntu 19.10, fresh install
[02:40] <nt0> a few of my games work as well/better in gnu/linux and a few work poorly.  i'm not a huge gamer, so mostly what i play is indistinguishable (haven't tried tomb raider on my main machine after ditching windows, tho)
[02:40] <nt0> aye this is OT.  sorry
[02:53] <alazy> Can I capture a mpd http audio stream using something basic like curl or wget and pipe it to my speakers via pulseaudio? Is this a reasonable thing to do?
[03:03] <Citizen-Se7en>  Quick question... I have the Brave browser installed (and it's the default).  However, whenever I click on a link (in email, a terminal window, etc), it doesn't fire up the browser.  Instead, I have to right-click on the link, select copy, then start a browser session, right-click and select paste/go in the address bar.  Any ideas on what I have to do to make Brave fire up automatically?  My current system setup can be found at http://paste.
[03:03] <Citizen-Se7en> ubuntu.com/p/ymqMWsrt3b/
[03:03] <Citizen-Se7en> Thanks
[03:03] <Citizen-Se7en> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ymqMWsrt3b/
[03:05] <Citizen-Se7en> damn, brb, afk.
[03:09] <gjt343> Hi.  New to Linux environment and wondering if anyone has a nice shortcut to copying a "directory path" from file explorer which uses the "\" to a Linux Command Prompt which uses the "/".  Would be nice to find a way to convert the forward/backslashes automatically
[03:11] <bodiccea> gjt343, how do get \ on a linux system ? Can you explain your case ?
[03:11] <Triffid_Hunter> gjt343: you could use tr to swap them.. echo '\a\b\c' | tr '\\' / -> /a/b/c
[03:12] <Triffid_Hunter> gjt343: also, windows understands forward slashes just fine, no need to use daft backslashes
[03:14] <bodiccea> Triffid_Hunter, not sure your answer is correct. gjt343 said he is running Linux. Not sure where are \ here. I would prefer a better question.
[03:15] <gjt343> bodiccea: Let me re-phrase
[03:15] <Citizen-Se7en>  back
[03:17] <gjt343> bodiccea: I'm running WSL on windows environment which allows me to operate on Linux.  So basically I'm copying file directories that look like this ---> C:\Users\bob\desktop\file  I'm wondering if anyone else uses Windows / WSL that has a shortcut to paste them into the format with "/" instead of "\"
[03:18] <kadiro> echo "\\something\\something else" | sed 's/\\/\//g'
[03:19] <gjt343> Triffid_Hunter: New to all of this, So I'll give it a shot.  I guess that would work the other way around also?
[03:21] <bodiccea> dont you think it is a windows problem ? We all can change a character to another one, you had some. But all in "unix" way. From Bill Gates view, this place is normally not best
[03:22] <bodiccea> normally, any system allows to copy one filesystem to another. I still do not understand
[03:23] <gjt343> basically looking for an easy way to "cd" into a folder
[03:24] <gjt343> doesn't work for me to type in the "\" gives me error messages
[03:24] <bodiccea> oh.
[03:24] <gjt343> "no such file or directory"
[03:25] <kadiro> gjt343> you are in windows or linux machine?
[03:25] <bodiccea> of course \ is not a directory separator on any unix system
[03:26] <gjt343> kadiro: windows.  and running Ubuntu off of WSL (Windows sublinux)
[03:26] <bodiccea> this is a valid character for filename
[03:27] <kadiro> gjt343> windows use C: D: ..etc when linux use the mounted path like ex. /media/$USER/... or /mnt/...
[03:28] <kadiro> It can't be done if it is not mounted
[03:28] <gjt343> kadiro: hmm, ok.  I'll read into this.  Not even sure what a "mounted path" so I guess that's my starting point
[03:28] <gjt343> kadiro: thx for response, I'll check it out
[03:29] <kadiro> gjt343> in windows you see drives like C: ...etc when in linux you have to mount it first to be accessible
[03:29] <kadiro> No problem
[03:30] <kadiro> In general linux start always with / as the root file system
[03:30] <bodiccea> argh. Still not understand question :) If you boot Windows, paths will have \, on Linux, they will be /. Do you have a script or so, which cares that?
[03:32] <bodiccea> if yes, not well written
[03:33] <gjt343> bodiccea: probably just a misunderstanding from the fundamental differences between Windows/Linux.  I guess I'll be stuck for now typing out the filepaths while I read up on this.
[03:34] <kadiro> gjt343> you can install wine and see how directories work, you will understand the difference when you drag and drop a directory to the terminal (linux ) and (wineconsole) (command like in windows)
[03:37] <gjt343> kadiro:  ok, thx.  I'll check out wine also.  There's a package in the Python Programming language called "pathlib" or some people use a syntax like "os.path" which automatically converts the paths for you between operating systems.  Maybe I'll have to write one when I get a better understanding of this.
[03:37] <kadiro> gjt343> yes that will be better for sure if you know python
[03:59] <amCap1712> hi all
[04:01] <amCap1712> i am trying to compile vlc from source for windows but am facing this error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6GQW3sGzwd/
[04:02] <amCap1712> i have found that there is some error with libstdc++
[04:02] <amCap1712> due to which make fails in the above case
[04:03] <amCap1712> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YcVrPDZjMH/
[04:04] <amCap1712> here is the output when i try to install libstdc++
[04:04] <amCap1712> i have tried various answers on fixing broken packages but nothing has worked so far
[04:04] <amCap1712> can somebody help to fix this?
[04:12] <amCap1712> i am on ubuntu 18.04
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> amCap1712: we dont support own compiling, instead use the packages from the official ubuntu repos or snaps
[04:19] <amCap1712> lotuspsychje: i am working to develop vlc so i need to compile it
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> amCap1712: i understand, but in this channel we dont really support it, hope you understand?
[04:20] <amCap1712> I understand that
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> amCap1712: do you want to contribute as developer for ubuntu?
[04:20] <amCap1712> I need help with fixing broken libstdc++ packages
[04:21] <amCap1712> Yes i am interested in that
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> amCap1712: #ubuntu-devel
[04:22] <kadiro> amCap1712> I think there is an irc channel called may be #vlc or something may be they can help
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> !contribute | amCap1712 see also
[04:24] <doug16k> lotuspsychje, that's not "own compiling", apt install interpreted libstdc++ as a regex
[04:25] <amCap1712> Yeah kadiro i know that there is a vlc channel. But i my issue is not with compiling vlc. It's that  some of my packages are broken and i need to fix those.
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> doug16k: the user said, he wants to compile vlc from source, wich is not supported
[04:25] <kadiro> oh sorry for misreading
[04:25] <doug16k> therefore don't help with apt install. got it
[04:26] <doug16k> amCap1712, you almost certainly already have libstdc++
[04:29] <amCap1712> doug16k: i too think so, I was able to install libstdc++ with apt
[04:29] <amCap1712> But later when it didn't work i tried to remove it and saw this error
[04:30] <doug16k> amCap1712, you can't remove that, tons of existing installed things are already depending on it
[04:30] <bodiccea> well, i will compile vlc. normally, no issue. but amCap1712 is on Windows, right ? so what is the point ?
[04:30] <amCap1712> I am on Ubuntu
[04:31] <amCap1712> I am cross compiling vlc for windows, bodiccea
[04:32] <bodiccea> it was not clear... and cross-compiling is surely not here.
[04:32] <amCap1712> doug16k: ok, so the output of apt is normal
[04:34] <doug16k> there is no such thing as libstdc++. there are specific versions of libstdc++ for specific architectures, though
[04:37] <bodiccea> try to compile your kernel for arm, which is easy (from a 64bits), then compile vlc for it, then you can try for Windows or Apple...
[04:37] <doug16k> amCap1712, if you want the cross-compiler to win64 version, you want to install g++-mingw-w64-x86-64
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> and this is really not the point of this channel
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> move to another channel please
[04:38] <bodiccea> yes :)
[04:39] <bodiccea> meantime, i still cannot input japanese...
[04:40] <amCap1712> doug16k: already have it
[04:40] <amCap1712> Ok, lotuspsychje
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> bodiccea: when you like volunteers to help, re-ask your orignal issue here once in a while
[04:48] <bodiccea> sure, lotuspsychje. I have installed brand new xubuntu 19.10, with ibus/mozc (i tried also ibus/anthy), but i cannot input a single japanese character...
[04:52] <bodiccea> but i think it could be a menu issue ? or mistake in settings ? all look fine...
[05:26] <zymurgy> 1
[06:14] <plex_dave> I have a problem I have never seen before. On a fresh 19.10 install, when I go to sharing, the only thing available is media sharing, no remote desktop.
[06:14] <plex_dave> On my laptop it's there, but on another machine it's not there. Any thoughts?
[06:23] <SkyWay> backup full live system with rsync is possible? and if so, how? guidelines ..
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> !backup | SkyWay
[06:25] <SkyWay> tried with tar .. but error.. file has changed ..
[06:26] <SkyWay> rsync i can't figure out how to do it, it backups file, but when rsync from backup, the system doesn't start anymore..
[06:26] <SkyWay> !cloning
[06:27] <SkyWay> !borg
[06:34] <SkyWay> !sbackup
[06:54] <Ilgaz> There seems to be a regression regarding grub on final 19.10, 19.10 beta grub installed perfectly multiple times in very different scenarios. On final 19.10, I had to repair things
[06:55] <cuzzi> could anyone please suggest some programs on linux to convert video-im not sure about the choices available on linux the i have to convert a friends 25G wedding footage-also which are the choice codecs to use now a days-my last dabble was in the late 90s early 2000s when i was on windows and using xvid as the codec
[06:55] <cuzzi> thank you in advance for any suggestions
[06:56] <cuzzi> the footage i have was taken on a hd vcr recorder lols
[06:57] <Ilgaz> avidemux could be used
[06:57] <Ilgaz> It is on "app store" too
[07:01] <cuzzi> thank you
[07:02] <Ilgaz> no problem, it takes a while to get used to but it does amazing things. I'd suggest you use software x264 and don't delete originals
[07:03] <Ilgaz> hardware accelerated h264 is fast but I didn't like the final quality
[07:24] <cuzzi> thanks alot really appreciate it-thanks for the tip re originals got three bups on diff media n places =)
[07:25] <cuzzi> ciao im off to learn how too
[07:38] <JadedJ> How can I check the power management settings of ubuntu with no GUI?
[07:38] <JadedJ> Ubuntu 18.04 that is
[09:01] <basalt> hi, ubuntu 19.10, with installed "desktop icons" extension from prev. version. Not able to update the extension or even to remove it, so what is the current state of this extension or is it default now for ubuntu?
[09:06] <AndikaSagala> for the virtualization tech:
[09:06] <AndikaSagala> don't use Virtualbox, better use VMware Workstation. VMware is rich of features and high tech. Mainly for you who want to be Red Hat admin.
[09:06] <AndikaSagala> i was in Windows and Debian using VMware Workstation. Vmware is very great. Vmware Virt was like Nissan GTR car. And Red Hat was like Ferrari car.
[09:06] <AndikaSagala> Even when i'm in Fedora still using VMware.
[09:06] <AndikaSagala> here the patch for fedora:
[09:06] <AndikaSagala> https://github.com/mkubecek/vmware-host-modules/archive/workstation-$VMwareVersion.tar.gz
[09:06] <AndikaSagala> time to say good bye to vmware.
[09:06] <AndikaSagala> P.S:
[09:06] <AndikaSagala> replace $VMwareVersion to your vmware workstation version.
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> basalt: enable/disable desktop icons is now integrated into gnome-tweaks
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> AndikaSagala: please dont do that here, this is the ubuntu support channel
[09:07] <AndikaSagala> ok
[09:07] <AndikaSagala> i'm silent
[09:07] <devslash> the installer for ubuntu 19.10 is kinda screwy
[09:07] <basalt> lotuspsychje: but still in the extension section ?
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> basalt: yes
[09:07] <devslash> it had issues on 3 different installations when upgrading from 19.04 to 19.10
[09:08] <basalt> lotuspsychje: but if i go to https://extensions.gnome.org/ and check my installed extensions, is it also visible, with the green "update me" icon, but i cannot update
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> basalt: i think system updates will handle that
[09:10] <basalt> lotuspsychje: "desktop-icnons@csoriani" cannot be installed: cannot install it manualy int he current session"
[09:14] <hans_> why does /bin/mount have setuid permission? mount does not need setuid to check that it's not root and print "only root can do that"
[09:14] <hans_> (observed on ubuntu 18.04 - and on debian 9)
[09:16] <Habbie> hans_, it's setuid for the few things it does allow non-root users to do
[09:16] <Habbie>                  * non-root may specify source *or* target, but not both
[09:16] <Habbie> see 'Non-superuser mounts' in man mount
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons eoan | basalt
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> basalt: check if you have this installed? ^
[09:17] <hans_> Habbie, oh neat, that explains it, thanks
[09:20] <basalt> lotuspsychje: check by run "!info gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons eoan"  ??
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> basalt: no, apt policy gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons
[09:21] <basalt> lotuspsychje: "Installiert:           19.10.2-1"
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> basalt: ok, try to uninstall it, then check in gnome-tweaks if its still there
[09:23] <basalt> yes, but deactivated
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> enable doesnt work?
[09:24] <basalt> works, but there are no settings on this anymore, no choice do see the trash
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> basalt: i dont have it installed either, and i can enable/disable those settings here
[09:26] <basalt> ok i try to reboot
[09:29] <basalt> lotuspsychje: after reboot, no desktop icons at all, and no entry in the Tweak/Extension sections for desktop icons
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> basalt: ok, reinstall it now
[09:31] <basalt> lotuspsychje: again via apt or via extension homepage ?
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> basalt: sudo apt install gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> i got it installed aswell so it seems, weird the bot shows optional
[09:33] <basalt> ok done, i will restart again
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> basalt: working?
[09:36] <basalt> lotuspsychje: ok, desktop is back, also the settings in tweak is back.
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> great
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> must be an upgrade glitch
[09:36] <basalt> lotuspsychje: but on https://extensions.gnome.org/local/ it still shows the icon to upgrade
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> basalt: apt updates will handle new updates
[09:37] <basalt> ok, so i will not care about this no, thx lotuspsychje
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> np
[09:56] <basalt> is "laptop-mode-tools" worth the time to evaluate ?
[10:03] <smallville7123>  Can a device ip ssh server be created on a server running on localhost, eg dbclient localhost 22 # create a ssh server from inside the ssh that runs on the devices ip address, 192.168.0.11, that other devices can connect to
[10:40] <Lonebadger> Guess who is back
[10:40] <Lonebadger> tomreyn
[10:41] <tomreyn> Lonebadger: you? i? both of us?
[10:41] <Lonebadger> Both and my problem
[10:42] <Lonebadger> Now I don't seem to have the amd64 signed problem now
[10:42] <tomreyn> i'll scroll up, already forgot about it ;)
[10:42] <Lonebadger> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=265615 Here is a post that describe my problem the most
[10:43] <tomreyn> but you were installing ubuntu, right?
[10:44] <Lonebadger> Xubuntu
[10:44] <Lonebadger> But the chat was dead there
[10:44] <tomreyn> ok
[10:44] <Lonebadger> So ... here I am
[10:45] <tomreyn> did you do the integrity check mentioned on this forum post?
[10:45] <Lonebadger> Doing it right now
[10:51] <tomreyn> Lonebadger: unfortunately i think the root cause of all of this is that your BIOS is really bad. i'm a bit sorry for having made you upgrade it now. from what i remember the one you had before was not really good either, though. this *may* help coming up with some kernel command line options which can make the firmware cooperate better with Linux, by 'making it think Linux is actually Windows': http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_os
[10:51] <tomreyn> i.html
[10:51] <tomreyn> ah, broken link: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[10:53] <tomreyn> another option would be to try an older bios version, maybe the last but one or somewhere in the middle between the one you had originally and what you have now. i seem to recall there were many versions for your board.
[10:54] <tomreyn> also two 'main' versions were listed for windows, but it wasn't clear why.
[10:54] <Lonebadger> Wait Wait
[10:54] <Lonebadger> It is not doing any error this time...
[10:55] <Lonebadger> Waitt...
[10:55] <Lonebadger> Welp It is not doing that much error xD
[11:00] <Lonebadger> Alirght it is unpacking Grub2 now
[11:00] <Lonebadger> Critical stage
[11:04] <johnjay> I went to Settings->Devices and looked at the mouse options. There's no way to change the speed of double click.
[11:04] <johnjay> Does ubuntu not have something to do that?
[11:05] <Lonebadger> Mood Right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-3Yok5D3Aw
[11:06] <Lonebadger> Setting up grub-efi-amd64 seems to pass fine. Installing for x86-64-efi platform got through. Cleanup of temp directories atm
[11:11] <shvm> it's time ubuntu got proper toggle to disable mouse acceleration and options for shortcuts to locate mouse pointer and toggle to increase mouse pointer size when shaking really fast.
[11:14] <tomreyn> Lonebadger: i summed up some of the outputs you provided yesterday again: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4y8qTYS32R/
[11:15] <tomreyn> it would help if you posted a fresh     journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999     either from the installer after it fails, or if it doesn't, from the system you installed.
[11:18] <max12345> hello all, I need some help: apt says packages have unmet dependencies and doesn't do any other updating
[11:18] <max12345> but I can't purge those packages either, if I try to nothing happens.
[11:19] <max12345> it recommends I do apt-get -f install but that doesn't solve it either.
[11:19] <laaq> anyone tried ubuntu 19.10? Any good reason to upgrade to this latest version?
[11:21] <Lonebadger> tomreyn Following the step guide
[11:29] <tomreyn> laaq: if you're currently on 19.04 then a good reason is that you'll loose support within three months
[11:29] <tomreyn> max12345: show the output on a pastebin
[11:29] <tomreyn> !paste | max12345
[11:29] <laaq> tomreyn: that's a good enough reason. thanks
[11:29] <tomreyn> :)
[11:30] <Lonebadger> tomreyn WE GOT THROUGH THE THING
[11:30] <Lonebadger> GRUB IS ISNTALLL
[11:30] <Lonebadger> tomreyn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-15VC4Yxzys
[11:32] <Lonebadger> Earrape advice
[11:32] <tomreyn> Lonebadger: nice. but please tone it down a bit. ;)
[11:32] <Lonebadger> I have been at it for 4 days
[11:33] <tomreyn> so i'm very glad the installation succeeded, too. i'm not yet convinced this system will operate very well, though. but i can always be wrong.
[11:34] <tomreyn> you'll find out soon enough, and i wish you all the best of luck.
[11:37] <Lonebadger> Couldn't work as worse as Win 10
[11:37] <Lonebadger> Waited 10 min for it to be actually responsive after boot up
[11:39] <tomreyn> oh, okay, so it's not just an issue on linux. could it be a hardware issue, were there some "undesirable events"?
[11:40]  * tomreyn gone for now, will follow up later
[11:42] <Lonebadger> Alrght
[11:43] <tolland> I have ubuntu 18.04 on a lenovo yoga 700 14ISK, and previously sound from the builtin speakers was working fine, but now I am seeing "Speakers (unavailable)" in the pulseaudio volume control (and no sound obviously)
[11:43] <tolland> I am wondering if I have inadvertently hardware disabled the internal speakers... but it has no hardware button for that
[11:44] <tolland> is there a way to see the status of the hardware?
[12:06] <uldics> Now that Chromium has been forced to Snap,  it shows that it has no permission to Downloads folder. That is ridiculous, a new permission system or something, as my file/folder permissions are good to go. How do I get Chromium to save files?
[12:08] <Lonebadger> tomreyn Just want to thank you deeply... Everything is running smooth af
[12:09] <Lonebadger> Even touchscreen is responsive
[12:10] <mgedmin> uldics: that is weird, this works for me -- and AFAIU the snap should have access to your entire home directory, and maybe also to removable media under /media
[12:10] <mgedmin> just not the rest of the filesystem
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> Lonebadger: what did the trick?
[12:11] <Lonebadger> A mix of a lot of thing
[12:12]  * mgedmin tries saving in /tmp and discovers that (1) it works, but (2) it's not the real /tmp and I've no idea where the file was actually saved
[12:12] <Lonebadger> But mainly https://askubuntu.com/questions/1028703/the-grub-efi-amd64-signed-package-failed-to-install-target
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx Lonebadger
[12:12] <uldics> mgedmin: that maybe also removable media is something not working :)
[12:12] <Lonebadger> After 4 days I am officially on the Xubuntu Cool kid club
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> max12345: unmet dependencys often result from adding external ppa's wich we dont support, can you pastebin your apt output please?
[12:14] <mgedmin> 'snap connections chromium' shows 'home' connected for me, but 'removable-media' not? haven't actually tested any
[12:14] <mgedmin> removable media is for ubuntu iso images, not file exchage ;)
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> !sound | tolland start here
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> shvm: did you try dconf-editor yet?
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> smallville7123: ubuntu desktop or server please?
[12:17] <uldics> mgedmin: Ok, how do I connect that removable-media?
[12:17] <mgedmin> snap connect something something, I don't really know!
[12:17] <ioria> sudo snap connect mysnap:removable-media
[12:18] <mgedmin> isn't gnome software supposed to show and let you change permissions for apps installed via snaps?
[12:18] <mgedmin> yep!
[12:21] <uldics> mgedmin: I have Mate, as a last chance to stay on inevitably degrading Ubuntu experience :D
[12:22] <mgedmin> weird, for me the experience has been constantly improving!
[12:22] <mgedmin> (with some inevitable bumps)
[12:23] <uldics> ioria: Thanks, worked like a charm! sudo snap connect chromium:removable-media
[12:23] <max12345> lotuspsychje: actually I had the idea to let aptitude fix it, that worked :) so thank you.
[12:24] <ioria> uldics, ok, np
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> max12345: ok great!
[12:35] <thelounge86> what's the best way to install / run virtualenv for both python2 and 3? in Arch, it has 2 different packages: virtualenv2 and virtualenv. Is there a similar method in ubuntu?
[12:38] <mgedmin> thelounge86: apt install python-virtualenv and python3-virtualenv, but!
[12:39] <mgedmin> thelounge86: you don't have to have installed it for both pythons; you can use either virtualenv to create virtualenvs for any python
[12:39] <thelounge86> ooo
[12:39] <thelounge86> the tables turn...
[12:39] <mgedmin> so sudo apt install virtualenv; and then virtualenv -p python2 /tmp/py2; virtualenv -p python3 -p /tmp/py3
[12:39] <thelounge86> nice, thanks!
[12:40] <rory> thelounge86: virtualenvwrapper is nice too, if you switch virtualenvs a lot and want them all in 1 place
[12:40] <thelounge86> oo i'll have to look into that
[12:40] <rory> e.g. "mkvirtualenv my_project", "workon my_project" "deactivate"
[12:40] <thelounge86> oh wow
[12:41] <thelounge86> roy does the same thing apply with using that with py2 and py3?
[12:41] <rory> thelounge86: as you can specify "mkvirtualenv -p python3 my_python3_project"
[12:42] <thelounge86> even better! thanks guys
[12:42] <rory> yes, the python is part of the virtualenv. so you can specify arbitrary versions and not worry about system versions.
[12:43] <rory> #python for more
[12:43] <thelounge86> so same with the wrapper in ubuntu, it doesn't matter if i intstalll the v3 version or v2?
[12:45] <rory> if you have virtualenvwrapper installed via their github instructions, then afaik, when specifying a version with "mkvirtualenv -p", it will use that version. But you can only specify versions that are already installed through apt.
[12:45] <thelounge86> got it
[12:46] <thelounge86> wasnt sure if it was best to install it via gitub instructions or apt
[12:46] <rory> don't think virtualenvwrapper is available through apt. virtualenvwrapper requires the "virtualenv" python module, which is available through apt or pip.
[12:47] <thelounge86> looks like they both are (virtualenvwrapper and python3-virtualenvwrapper)
[12:47] <rory> oh neat
[12:47] <rory> github is still pretty simple though, and may have big fixes, in this case i would recommend that.
[12:47] <rory> bug fixes*
[12:48] <rory> but if it works via apt, dont touch it haha
[12:49] <thelounge86> well was more concerned about upgrade path
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:10] <rory> thelounge86: considering it's just a single bash script that provides the functions, manual upgrade is trivial anyway.
[13:15] <gavimobile> hi folks, my /dev/root/ is 100% full and i am unable to locate what is ocupating all of the space
[13:16] <mgedmin> baobab is a nice gui tool for showing you what's occupying all the space
[13:16] <blb4393> dark matter
[13:16] <mgedmin> sudo apt clean is the first thing I try when my filesystem fills up; a cheap way to clear some caches
[13:17] <mgedmin> on the command line I used to do a lot of du -chs * | sort -h in every directory, recursively, manually, starting from the root, but it's annoying
[13:18] <gavimobile> mgedmin: ive already tried apt-get purge apt-get autoremove apt-get clean
[13:18] <blb4393> because only dark matter lives in /dev/root
[13:19] <uio> blb4393, That's not true, there are also some dead dreams.
[13:21] <gavimobile> running cat /proc/cmdline i can see that /dev/root is "root=/dev/mmcblk0p8" but not sure where or what this is
[13:25] <mgedmin> sounds like the flash memory of some kind of embedded system?
[13:25] <mgedmin> can you pastebin the output of dh?
[13:25] <mgedmin> df, not dh
[13:26] <gavimobile> mgedmin: https://pastebin.com/YXrKGn2Q
[13:26] <gavimobile> df ?
[13:27] <gavimobile> sorry, just a sec
[13:27] <gavimobile> here is df https://pastebin.com/CrnhA1mw
[13:28] <mgedmin> half a gig, that's not a very large partition
[13:28] <mgedmin> what sort of system is it?
[13:29] <gavimobile> its a roborock xiaomi vaccume
[13:29] <Pricey> I run lxd containers and was looking at creating a new apparmor profile in one. With a process in complain, logs appear in the host's syslog though? Is there a recommended way to deal with this? aa-logprof in the container becomes useless
[13:30] <mystic> ubuntu 90.04 keep crashing.. cant even use it for normal skype work these days... and my tor browser wont start
[13:30] <mystic> 19.04*
[13:30] <mgedmin> gavimobile: duc is a nice command-line tool for inspecting disk usage
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> mystic: are you using the skype snap?
[13:32] <mystic>  dont know.. i installed skype .. snap?  no idea
[13:32] <mgedmin> gavimobile: duc index -x / will build an sqlite db of every file and directory in the root partition, then duc ui shows an ncurses-based ui for viewing that
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> mystic: its your system? check gnome-software to see if your skype is from the snap-store
[13:33] <gavimobile> mgedmin: that command isnt working byme
[13:33] <mystic> dunno how
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> mystic: drag your mouse to gnome-software and click the icon to open it
[13:34] <mystic> i cant see gnome software
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> mystic: wich ubuntu release are you using?
[13:34] <mystic> 19.04.3
[13:35] <mystic> it keeps crashing and also tor wont open...  hardlty worth using at all these days
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> mystic: ubuntu-desktop or any other flavour?
[13:35] <mystic> no, vanilla
[13:35] <mystic> often when im working wit a client it crashes... whats the point
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> mystic: then you should have software center
[13:36] <mystic> yea
[13:36] <mystic> it crashes als owen not using skype though
[13:37] <mystic> so probavbly just unstable system
[13:37] <mystic> and now my tor icon dissapeared from app drawer.. tor still there but no icon.. and wont open
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> mystic: if you are using the skype snap, support is at: Contact:   https://www.skype.com/
[13:38] <mystic> its not skype
[13:38] <mystic> happens with browser chats too.. not related to skype
[13:38] <mystic> just crashes so i cant use it for work much
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> mystic: what crashes?
[13:39] <mystic> system just freezes.. have to hold down power button to restart
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> mystic: when doing what?
[13:39] <mystic> surfing web, browser video chats maionly
[13:39] <mystic> doesnt happen on windows liek that...
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> mystic: pastebin your dmesg please
[13:40] <mgedmin> there's no 19.04.3 release, did you mean 18.04.3 LTS or 19.04?
[13:41] <yeetbix_> any sysadmins?
[13:41] <mgedmin> yeetbix_: probably in #ubuntu-server
[13:41] <yeetbix_> ty
[13:44] <mystic> how ot copy it all?
[13:44] <mystic> its so big
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> !paste | mystic
[13:45] <mystic> how to copy it ?  shortcut or have to scrool it all with mouse?
[13:46] <tomreyn> mystic: this works:  journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:46] <tomreyn> it'll post to termbin.com, a pastebin-like site, and return its url
[13:46] <amcclure> Does anyone know if Ubuntu 19.10 would easily work on a Surface Laptop 2?
[13:46] <mystic> oh nevermind
[13:46] <mystic> bloody linux honestly
[13:47] <mystic> im too busy for this nonsense
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> amcclure: last articles on ubuntu/surface they have good support on it these days
[13:47] <amcclure> ok :)
[13:47] <amcclure> ty
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> amcclure: if you want to test, we always try to test a liveusb first before installing
[13:48] <tomreyn> mystic: thanks for pointing out you slipped my ignore rules.
[13:48] <amcclure> ok
[13:48] <amcclure> ty again
[13:48] <mystic> balls
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> please keep it proffessional mystic
[13:49] <mystic> would be good if the  ubuntu devs did the same.. then i could actually use it profesionally
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> mystic: this is not the complaints channel, please stick to questions
[13:53] <uio> mystic, What are you frustrated about?
[13:54] <uio> mystic, Maybe Ubuntu, or just that Ubuntu release is not suited to you needs? Have you tried a LTS?
[13:55] <mystic> sorry my msitake, im on 18.04 .. eiterh way its isnt suitable for work
[13:55] <uio> mystic, Okay, so you are already on most recent LTS.
[13:56] <uio> (I'm assuming LTS is somewhat more stable - correct me if I'm wrong).
[13:56] <mystic> yea.. and while i work it freezes.. so i have to keep the client waiting and boot into windows.
[13:56] <uio> mystic, How long have you been using Ubuntu for? What machine do you have?
[13:56] <uio> mystic, That must be kind of embarassing... And you would like to avoid that!
[13:57] <mystic> laptop.. ive been using on and off for a few years.. obvuosly its still not ready for reliable mainstream use.. im not a fanboy or troll.. just saying how it is for me.. i only want stuff that works for gods sake
[13:57] <uio> mystic, I get that. What laptop brand?
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | mystic uio
[13:57] <uio> Can you describe when it crashes / freezes?
[13:57] <mystic> lenovo ideapad 330
[13:58] <mystic> freezes when im on browser.. or on browser chat with clients... maybe at other tiems too.. but i dont use it for much else these days..  now it cant even manage that
[13:58] <uio> mystic, What browseR?
[13:59] <uio> mystic, What browser chat?
[13:59] <uio> WebRTC?
[13:59] <mystic> chrome usually
[13:59] <blb4393> nvidia drivers is to blame
[13:59] <mystic> no its the comapny i work for
[13:59] <uio> Chrome and not Chromium?
[13:59] <mystic> i dont have nvidia card in here
[13:59] <uio> What is the company you work for?
[13:59] <mystic> chromium
[13:59] <uio> Sorry!
[13:59] <uio> Not what company...
[13:59] <mystic> not giving that much info
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> stop it uio mystic blb4393
[14:00] <mystic> if it isnt working dont worry i wil lsue windows
[14:00] <mystic> use*
[14:00] <uio> Sorry that was not at all my question.
[14:00] <uio> My question was poorly worded: my question was what do you mean by 'no its the company i work for'?
[14:00] <mystic> nevermind
[14:00] <mystic> its all too much effort
[14:01] <uio> So you use chromium for a browser chat client and the machine crashes?
[14:01] <uio> What is the browser chat?
[14:03] <uio> mystic, I'm sure there is a solution, but to be able to help you solve the problem, detailed information is needed :)
[14:03] <mystic> i cant be bothered i dont have time for it.. its never ending
[14:03] <mystic> i'll just use windows
[14:05] <uio> mystic, Okay, I get that. If you do have more time some day, or feel like giving it another go, try to give very detailed info. The people here seem to have given you information on how to paste things and so on and would very likely be able to help you out. You could also test another distro. Linus is vast!
[14:05] <uio> *Linux is vast!
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> uio: please dont reccomend using other distro's in the ubuntu channel
[14:06] <uio> lotuspsychje, Why's that?
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> uio: join #ubuntu-discuss
[14:06] <uio> lotuspsychje, Is Ubuntu a cult? lol
[14:08] <uio> lotuspsychje, looking over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines I don't see anything about not mentioning other distros (also I was just suggesting that mystic take a look after suggesting that they try to get help here...)
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> uio: join #ubuntu-discuss lets discuss it
[14:08] <uio> lotuspsychje, Sure!
[14:16] <G_H> I am looking for a way to make Linux Mint (which is based on Ubuntu) use the recycle bin for an exFAT partition, but how do I do that? Anyone an idea?
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> !mint | G_H
[14:17] <G_H> well there seems to be nooone in the Mint channel who can help.
[14:17] <tomreyn> G_H: i recommend you draw some conclusions from this, we'll be happy to help you when you run ubuntu!
[14:18] <tomreyn> (also with the installation, of course)
[14:19] <Betal> G_H: maybe first you need to ask in ##linuxmint
[14:19] <Duke854> Is there rules anywhere I need to read? I just joined and I'm used to Discord.
[14:20] <Duke854> Is it ubottu.com?
[14:21] <Duke854> Nevermind I found it.
[14:25] <G_H> Does Ubuntu suports recycling bins on exFAT?
[14:39] <tolland> lotuspsychje: Thanks for the reply... I tried the steps in those links
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> tolland: have you been able to solve?
[14:40] <tolland> hardware is recognised, modules are loaded, the hareware is found, and can be switched to headphones
[14:40] <tolland> issue seems to be down on link 63 here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dZTpDsJkkB/
[14:40] <tolland> for the speakers "analog-output-speaker: Speakers (priority 10000, latency offset 0 usec, available: no)"
[14:40] <tolland> for list-sinks in pacmd
[14:41] <tolland> (this might be a hardware issue...) just wondering how that value is calculated
[14:41] <tolland> so, not been able to solve the problem
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> tolland: feel free to repeat the original issue & details for our recently joined volunteers
[14:44] <tolland> Issue is: Lenova Yoga 700 14ISK laptop running 18.04, recently the speakers stopped working. Showing as "unavailable" in pulse volume control. System has been rebooted, and apt updated, no improvement
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> tnx tolland
[14:45] <tolland> alsamixer has been checked, is not muted.
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> tolland: did you recognize at wich time it stopped working, lets say after an update for example?
[14:46] <tolland> not specifically, I don't use the speakers that much, but it was the last couple of days
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> tolland: wich kernel version are you currently on please?
[14:47] <oerheks> that pastebin gives headphones are in use
[14:47] <oerheks> how about pluggin in headphones?
[14:47] <tolland> 4.15.0-66-generic
[14:47] <tolland> headphones work fine
[14:50] <oerheks> then it is automute, alsamixer > f3 . press arrow right untill you see automute, disable that?
[14:50] <ioria> tolland, and try to do again  the  pacmd list-sinks  with the headphone unplugged
[14:51] <tolland> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/T2nzS5SWY5/
[14:52] <tolland> looks like this in volume control https://imgur.com/a/KbxWvz7
[14:53] <tolland> ill try booting from livecd to check whether its config related
[14:54] <ioria> tolland, i suck in audio things but seems to me that your headphone jack was physically stuck in a plugged in state
[14:57] <ioria> tolland, if this is the case, you might try to override that with hdajackretask , setting the headphones as 'not connected'
[14:57] <mystic> can someone at least tell em how to reinstal ltor browser?  then i can use ubuntu for anonymous surfing.. if nothing else
[14:57] <mystic> tell me *
[14:58] <tolland> oh yeah, i see. its showing as plugged in, even though nothing is connected to the socket
[15:00] <oerheks> looks like a lame switch in the headphone jack
[15:01] <oerheks> but that will come forward in a live session
[15:02] <oerheks> !tor
[15:03] <oerheks> i have no clue where Tor stores configuration inf, maybe just remove -- purge tor, and apt install tor again?
[15:11] <aiena> When my PC is running after a while relatively long my USB mouse suddenly stops movinng on screen power cycling the usb device (unplug replug or on/off switch of a USB hub) get the mouse working again. Wonder what is the cause.
[15:12] <aiena> physically the mouse looks ok and receives power moving the mouse over the base makes the laser glow stronger like usual but the mouse doesnt move on screen
[15:12] <aiena> anything on ubuntu side I can check?
[15:35] <B|ack0p> hi
[15:35] <B|ack0p> is there a way to set while deleting a file ask confirmation first?
[15:35] <B|ack0p> delete confirmation dialog?
[15:36] <B|ack0p> before sending them to Trash
[15:38] <oerheks> in filemanager, just hit del , no dialog. only whit shift +del you will get a warning
[15:39] <ducasse> shift+del is permanent, not sending them to trash, isn't it?
[15:39] <oerheks> jups
[15:40] <oerheks> so i wonder, what ubuntu is he running?
[15:49] <B|ack0p> oerheks: i am running 18.04.3
[15:51] <gavimobile> hey, i would like to set /dev/root to be mounted in another location with more space. is this possible, if so i would appreciate a helping hand please.
[15:52] <oerheks> gavimobile, there is no /dev/root ?
[16:07] <gavimobile> oerheks: there is, but its very limited on space
[16:08] <gavimobile> oerheks: i would like to mount it elsewhere where there is more space
[16:13] <jeremy31> gavimobile: you want the root filesystem somewhere else?
[16:14] <Sven_vB> since what (kernel?) version should there be a /dev/root?
[16:15] <gavimobile> jeremy31: /dev/root is / ?
[16:16] <jeremy31> gavimobile: I haven't seen it like that on Ubuntu, it might be a symlink
[16:16] <gavimobile> here is the output for df -h on my freshly installed system https://pastebin.com/9twLaakz
[16:17] <gavimobile> after performing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, i have less than 95% left available. is there a way i can lay this out more efficiently?
[16:18] <mgedmin> gavimobile: your memory card is not very large, I'm not sure you can do much
[16:18] <mgedmin> in one of your earlier pastes I think it was shown that /dev/root is an alias for /dev/mmcblk0p8?
[16:18] <gavimobile> mgedmin: it is built in
[16:18] <gavimobile> mgedmin:, correct p8
[16:21] <oerheks> gavimobile, soagain: there is no /dev/root, what linux are you using?
[16:22] <oerheks> oh, mgedmin is helping
[16:22] <mgedmin> /dev/root is how the kernel shows the root device in /proc/mounts, for some linux versions at least
[16:23] <mgedmin> I've seen it now and then but not recently?
[16:23] <gavimobile> oerheks: Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS
[16:23] <mgedmin> ooh, isn't that EOL?
[16:23] <Sven_vB> not even my bionic live session has /dev/root
[16:23] <gavimobile> mgedmin: how can i check
[16:23] <oerheks> you can check when you update, lolz
[16:24] <mgedmin> even my xenial doesn't have /dev/root
[16:24] <Sven_vB> just add 2005 to the year => EOL since 2019.04 = april
[16:24] <gavimobile> so is it possible to modify the partition layout?
[16:24] <mgedmin> gavimobile: you can check in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[16:24] <gavimobile> mgedmin: what am i checking for?
[16:25] <oerheks> maybe, but you are out of support, vulnerable, get that machine offline please!
[16:25] <mgedmin> 14.04 LTS is out of standard support, so people on this channel won't want to help you
[16:25] <gavimobile> mgedmin: i hear
[16:25] <mgedmin> you can still get support from cannonical if you pay them $$$ for extended support
[16:25] <Sven_vB> gavimobile, gparted can resize and move partitions with many kinds of file systems
[16:25] <mgedmin> upgrading would be best, but with so little free space?
[16:25] <mgedmin> reinstalling a newer version might be the best option
[16:25] <gavimobile> Sven_vB: i dont have a dvd drive and or a monitor, only ssh
[16:25] <gavimobile> no console
[16:26] <Sven_vB> I'd be willing to help with reclaiming free space
[16:26] <gavimobile> mgedmin: this is not an option
[16:26] <gavimobile> Sven_vB: i would appreciate this
[16:26] <Sven_vB> gavimobile, with just SSH there is no safe way to upgrade. I tried it and lost networking.
[16:26] <gavimobile> please note all that this is a xiaomi vaccume
[16:26] <mgedmin> is that a vacuum cleaner?
[16:26] <oerheks> interesting ..
[16:26] <gavimobile> yes
[16:27] <mgedmin> neat!
[16:27] <gavimobile> upgrading to a new version is not an option
[16:27] <Sven_vB> gavimobile, in that case try to find a serial port/UART to get hardware console
[16:27] <mgedmin> whats it doing running ubuntu?
[16:27] <mgedmin> and why do you need more disk space?
[16:27] <gavimobile> i am trying to install a rtsp sever with a webcam on the vaccume
[16:27] <oerheks> upgrading via ssh, nice weekend-disaster
[16:27] <gavimobile> for network stream
[16:27] <mgedmin> sounds awesome
[16:27] <mgedmin> dpigs is a debian package that shows you the largest installed packages
[16:27] <mgedmin> maybe you could find something to uninstall?
[16:28] <oerheks> move this to -offtopic please, let them have fun too
[16:28] <gavimobile> Sven_vB: the only port i have is a micro usb port
[16:28] <gavimobile> mgedmin: this is a  brank new flash of firmware. nothing was installed yet
[16:28] <Sven_vB> oftentimes the UART isn't readily exposed and you have to solder your own wires to it. it obviously breaks any warranties. whatever way you plan for upgrade, it should really really have a plan for how to interact with an initramfs rescue shell.
[16:29] <gavimobile> Sven_vB: i think we are getting off track here. i am trying to repartiton the drive i believe
[16:30] <mgedmin> is the chromium snap going to ask me every single time I try to open a file whether it's allowed to do that?
[16:31] <Sven_vB> gavimobile, the partitions you want to edit need to be unmounted. you can then use gparted via SSH X forwarding.
[16:31] <oerheks> mgedmin, snap confinement, you might want to reinstall with the ‘–classic’ switch.
[16:31] <Sven_vB> gavimobile, you can not safely edit the partition from which gparted or your kernel are loaded.
[16:31] <gavimobile> Sven_vB: not sure how to do all this, but can all this be done via ssh?
[16:32] <Sven_vB> gavimobile, you can try. gparted will give you an error if you try to umount a device that's required.
[16:33] <Sven_vB> gavimobile, do you have an X session yet? else install openbox
[16:33] <Sven_vB> and lightdm would be good as well
[16:33] <gavimobile> Sven_vB: i believe someone said that /dev/root is mounted to /
[16:33] <mgedmin> gavimobile: I wouldn't risk it
[16:34] <gavimobile> mgedmin: this is my thoughts too
[16:34] <gavimobile> Sven_vB: the requirements to install openbox may be too big
[16:34] <mgedmin> on some embedded devices (e.g. my office wifi router) there's no partition table, /dev/mmcblk0 is split into partitions by enumerating their offsets and sizes on the kernel command line
[16:35] <Sven_vB> gavimobile, first let's check if it's even worth the effort. what are your RAM stats? (free -m)
[16:35] <gavimobile> Sven_vB: https://pastebin.com/CiYqm9xJ
[16:36] <oerheks> guys, get thris troll and vulnerable machine off the internet, thanks!
[16:36] <Sven_vB> gavimobile, that's too few for my approach.
[16:37] <gavimobile> Sven_vB: appreciate your willingness, thank you very much
[16:38] <torgo> howdy! i tried upgrading from 19.04 to 19.10. the only potential problem i noticed was it said vim-gui-common is no longer supported by canonical, and four packages to be removed. my computer rebooted suddenly, i assumed the process was done, but after logging in i'm still on 19.04 and software updater says "not all updates can be installed" with
[16:38] <torgo> the option to partial upgrade or continue. what should i do?
[16:38] <Sven_vB> gavimobile, if you manage to extract the memory hardware, manage to connect it to a usual computer, AND manage to get modern linux device drivers for that vaccuum (probably you want at least the USB controller), you have a chance still,.
[16:40] <gavimobile> Sven_vB: sounds complex
[16:41] <Sven_vB> gavimobile, if your time has any value, it's probably cheaper to buy a raspi and glue that on top.
[16:42] <oerheks> torgo, how about: sudo apt install -f / sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:42] <oerheks> the 1st one would do the job, i guess
[16:42] <torgo> @oerheks that sounds scary, what does that do?
[16:43] <oerheks> torgo, nothing scary about that, it continues installation and fixes dependencies,  not sure why your machine rebooted.
[16:43] <FurretUber> Hi, is there a way to use Vulkan application without crashing the system on 18.04?
[16:44] <FurretUber> They even work for some time, but then the system becomes super slow and crash later
[16:44] <mgedmin> torgo: I've had failed upgrades I completed successfully with sudo apt dist-upgrade -f
[16:44] <FurretUber> It seems to swap when it gets slow
[16:45] <de-facto> FurretUber, id guess success its heavily related to the gfx driver stack
[16:45] <torgo> is there any way i can see what packages are in a screwy state at this point?
[16:45] <FurretUber> It is probably a memory leak, but I don't know what to do currently, other than using mainline kernels
[16:45] <oerheks> torgo, would that make any difference?
[16:46] <torgo> i'm just curious, and wondering if it would be better to only force install what is necessary
[16:46] <FurretUber> I even tried to report a bug once, but it wasn't solved
[16:47] <de-facto> i am not sure, but i havent seen a really stable gfx driver stack on linux so far
[16:47] <mgedmin> torgo: -f is not force, it's --fix-broken
[16:47] <oerheks> torgo, apt install -f does what you want, good luck!
[16:47] <FurretUber> Other than this leak, everything else seems to work fine
[16:48] <FurretUber> I think I went to #ubuntu-kernel and asked about it, but then it was told to report to upstream, but upstream closed the bug, so now it's exclusive to Ubuntu
[16:48] <de-facto> which driver are you using?
[16:48] <FurretUber> Intel ANV
[16:49] <torgo> ok thanks for the help mgedmin and oerheks, will give it a try
[16:49] <FurretUber> I can't find the upstream report, give me a moment...
[16:50] <Elagost> Anyone know how to set a laptop to power down after a specific time while it's at the LUKS prompt?
[16:50] <de-facto> I havent really tried that one since i am on amd gfx here
[16:50] <Elagost> i.e. if the machine is powered on but sitting at the decryption prompt, I want it to power off after a minute if nothing is entered.
[16:50] <FurretUber> Found it: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110276
[16:52] <raver> Hey is there a general freenode room?
[16:53] <raver> I get suspicious login attempts from unknown locations
[16:53] <de-facto> raver, #freenode ?
[16:53] <oerheks> raver, no, ubuntu support only, try ##linux
[16:53] <raver> de-facto: thx I'll try
[16:54] <mgedmin> bots are always knocking on ssh ports across the entire internet, try fail2ban
[16:55] <raver> I mean my freenode irc account
[16:55] <raver> On server fail2ban runs fine 🙂
[16:56] <FurretUber> Would it be OK to install 19.10 kernel on 18.04? 5.3 should have the bug fixed
[16:57] <oerheks> upgrade to >19.04> 19.10 is supported.
[16:58] <Elagost> FurretUber: You should wait until the HWE kernel gets it.
[16:59] <oerheks> 5.3 is in proposed, not released for hwe-edge https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe-edge
[16:59] <ioria> Elagost, i'd try editing the systemd-cryptsetup.service, setting a timeout and then the shutdown command (if is this possible :þ)
[17:02] <Elagost> ioria: thanks. It's a strange use case but hopefully I can get it to work.
[17:02] <ioria> ok
[17:05] <FurretUber> OK, I will install the proposed kernel. I may find some new bug, but at least this one should be fixed
[17:06] <Guest_87> I am trying to set up Sendmail on Ubuntu. I am using Sendmail compiled from source...but when I run commands that require makemap, for example "makemap hash virtusertable < virtusertable" I get  makemap: Need to recompile with -DNEWDB for hash support
[17:06] <Guest_87> but I did have the -DNEWDB when compiling
[17:06] <Guest_87> Now I am not sure what is going on. Pointers to where I can troubleshoot this would be appreciated
[17:07] <FurretUber> I'll reboot to test, give me a moment
[17:13] <FurretUber> Can confirm 5.3.0-19 do not have the memory leak with Vulkan
[17:13] <tomreyn> Guest_87: maybe try ##linux or, should it exist, #sendmail (ask "alis" for help with finding channels).
[17:16] <de-facto> Guest_87, maybe even #sendmail ?
[17:31] <enyc> hrrmm  cano't work out yet  how to add applets to panel in ubuntu 19.0
[17:31] <enyc> hrrmm  cano't work out yet  how to add applets to panel in ubuntu 19.10 -- would like gnome sensors applet, package installed, rebooted ...
[17:32] <enyc> huge blank space along top would like to start using!
[17:33] <oerheks> enyc, install gnome-teak-tool and gnome-shell-extentions and synaptic, for more detrailed softwarecenter to look for more extentions
[17:33] <oerheks> logout and login first, to let it take effect
[17:35] <oerheks> gnome-teak-tool gives the menu with plugins and access
[17:48] <nikolam> Hi, what's this /.snapshots folder ? I am used to have apt-btrfs-snapshot and manage them by mounting temporarily to /mnt and delete them etc.
[17:48] <nikolam> But what creates /.snapshots ?
[17:49] <oerheks> On Ubuntu-based systems, snapshots are stored in the /var/lib/snapd/snapshots directory.
[17:50] <oerheks> so, i guess you answered it yourself, that apt-btrfs tool ?
[17:51] <nikolam> nope. there is .snapshots folder in root that is unknown to me . apt-btrfs-snapshot creates them and they are visible only when I see it through /mnt mountpoint
[17:51] <oerheks> snapshot of your running system, in a running system, not really logical
[17:51] <nikolam> oerheks, Btrfs allows to create full filesystem snapshots of a running system, yes, read about CoW, Zfs, too.
[17:52] <oerheks> no clue there, must be btrfs specific
[17:52] <oerheks> yes, i know of snapshots, though i would not store them in a homefolder
[17:52] <nikolam> ok, if someone knows what /.snapshots folder is for and what system tool creates it (and it it not mentioned apt-snapshot tool) question still stands.
[17:53] <oerheks> i find one claim, that virtualbox is doing that?
[17:54] <nikolam> oerheks, please read more about topic, Snapshots does not store anything, they just make blocks of data under snapshotted dataset, unchangable.
[17:54] <nikolam> oerheks, VirtualBox is doing snapshots, but it is file-based. (and slow) e.g. it does it on files on any FS.
[17:59] <Aavar> What is the default window manager in ubuntu?
[17:59] <Aavar> (19.10 gnome)
[18:00] <oerheks> gdm3
[18:00] <ioria> mutter, i guess
[18:00] <oerheks> err, windowmanager would be gnome3, displaymanager gdm3
[18:00] <Aavar> oerheks: that is not a window manager :)
[18:02] <mlohr> Hello everyone! I've a question related to the precompiled Ubuntu image for Raspberry Pi3b+. Is there any documentation aboud the cloud-image configuration used there? It seems that any configuration I do there is ignored...
[18:02] <Aavar> so... gnome3 is considered both the window manager and the desktop environment?
[18:03] <ioria> Aavar, mutter
[18:03] <Aavar> ioria: ahh, thank you :)
[18:04] <Aavar> ioria: after upgrading (from 19.04 to 19.10) and switching from unity to gnome. should I see the process mutter running?
[18:05] <ioria> nope
[18:05] <Aavar> should ps x|grep mutter give me a result?
[18:05] <pragmaticenigma> Aavar: The compositor is integrated with Gnome-Desktop ... you won't see a separate process for it
[18:05] <Aavar> ok, I understand :)
[18:05] <Aavar> nothing to worry about then.
[18:28] <mystic_> easy fix/reinstall for tor browser anyone ?
[18:28] <mystic_> nevermind..
[18:31] <FaTaL_GG> Hi all, Im running ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS, I've been running 16.04 and on both versions I have a very annoying issue that many (if not every) time I reboot, the interfaces dont all come back up properly, specifically, the dhcp server never gets an ip from the modem. If I "sudo ifup -a" it works
[18:31] <FaTaL_GG> I really don't want to hack-a-fix, unless there is no alternative, I'd like to see the services work properly on a normal boot. I have seen many many many posts where people have had the same issue, and it seems most point to it being a race condition
[18:31] <FaTaL_GG> I constantly get a "failed to bring up br0" but its got to be a false error, because br0 works fine
[18:33] <spire> Hello
[18:41] <oerheks> FaTaL_GG, try a fresh cable?
[18:41] <oerheks> often fixes issues that are rare
[18:47] <nikolam> I know now what used to create /.snapshots folder and inside BTRFS snapshots, it was "snapper" utility, with it's (non-working) GUI. Uninstalled snapper and deleted them.
[18:56] <hodo22> hey guys, my mouses's left click is not working properly, have to press more than 1 sec
[18:56] <hodo22> any ideas how to fix?
[19:00] <oerheks> try an other mouse first?
[19:29] <Aurator> Guten Abend
[19:37] <mmt84> if i copy the EFI folder from the ubuntu-server.iso to mini.iso, will it work for an uefi installation?
[19:40] <ioria> mmt84, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD#mini_system_in_UEFI_mode
[19:44] <mmt84> the base install of ubuntu server was not so minimal, including things like cloud and snapd which i don't need
[19:44] <mmt84> i want to install a minimal system just like a debian netinstall or base arch linux
[19:45] <ioria> efi install it's not doctor's order
[19:54] <amjam> hi #ubuntu -- i'm having some trouble finding out in the release notes which kernel ubuntu-18.04.3 comes with. Is it at least kernel-5.0?
[19:58] <nikolam> How to disable loading kernel module(s) , temporarily . For example I want ZFS to be kept installed, but at the moment don't want it to be loaded on Boot, if not used.
[20:00] <nikolam> Tried putting module names in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf with or without 'blacklis' before module name and it didn't work, modules are still loaded
[20:00] <jeremy31> nikolam: you could use module_blacklist= in grub
[20:01] <jeremy31> nikolam: see https://askubuntu.com/a/831297/300665
[20:01] <nikolam> jeremy31, thanks, will take a look.
[20:06] <nikolam> I'll try this first: " All you need is sudo update-initramfs -u after modifying /etc/modeprobe.d/ files "
[20:08] <jeremy31> nikolam: I have never used update-initramfs after modifying the /etc/modprobe.d/
[20:18] <KlausedSource> hello, im in the process of upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04
[20:18] <KlausedSource> however apt update fails because dpkg can't configure udev
[20:19] <KlausedSource> it fails to restart
[20:21] <KlausedSource> https://bpaste.net/show/7SNG6
[20:21] <KlausedSource> i tried removing and reinstalling udev but it didnt work either
[20:21] <KlausedSource> im afraid to reboot
[20:29] <tomreyn> KlausedSource: what does   dpkg --configure udev    output?
[20:29] <tomreyn> (pastebin please)
[20:32] <tomreyn> KlausedSource: dpkg --debug=help     if you'd like see how to get more output from dpkg. or you could    set -x    on the beginning of the postconf script.
[20:32] <KlausedSource> tomreyn, https://bpaste.net/show/6P4SO
[20:34] <tomreyn> KlausedSource: journalctl -n200 -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:37] <KlausedSource> i dont have nc installed tomreyn
[20:38] <tomreyn> are you sure this is ubuntu?
[20:38] <KlausedSource> yes...
[20:38] <KlausedSource> it's a v server
[20:38] <tomreyn> well, it's installed by default
[20:38] <tomreyn> "vserver", as in "linux-vserver"?
[20:39] <KlausedSource> a vserver with ubuntu 16.04 template
[20:39] <tomreyn> which virtualization?
[20:39] <KlausedSource> virtuoso or something like that
[20:40] <tomreyn> what does       lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline}     return?
[20:40] <KlausedSource> Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS
[20:40] <KlausedSource> Linux version 4.4.0-042stab139.1 (root@kbuild-rh6-x64.eng.sw.ru) (gcc version 4.4.7 20120313 (Red Hat 4.4.7-18) (GCC) ) #1 SMP Tue Jun 18 12:51:14 MSK 2019
[20:40] <KlausedSource> quiet
[20:41] <tomreyn> hmm well, that's not a kernel we support here
[20:42] <tomreyn> and it will be why udev fails to initialize
[20:43] <KlausedSource> can i update the kernel independently?
[20:44] <KlausedSource> or am i bound to this due to vserver?
[20:45] <tomreyn> KlausedSource: summing up: your "ubuntu" is not an actual ubuntu system, we cannot support it here. please talk to your hosting provider to determine your options. i'm happy to suggest hosting alternatives where you'll haver full control of your kernel and can thus carry out upgrades on your own. if interested, please /join #ubuntu-offtopic (requires nickname registrarion with nickserv)
[20:47] <KlausedSource> thx for your help
[20:48] <tomreyn> KlausedSource: you're welcome, sorry i can't offer you more...
[21:00] <JivanPal> Hey, all
[21:00] <tomreyn> hello there
[21:01] <JivanPal> I'm wanting to install a 18.04 Server on a 32-bit machine, trying to use the install media found here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/
[21:01] <JivanPal> When I boot, it search for an installer ISO. Question is, which ISO file am I supposed to have, since I assume the 64-bit ISO is no good, since it contains 64-bjt packages?
[21:03] <oerheks> start with netboot?
[21:03] <oerheks> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[21:03] <JivanPal> Can't get it to recognise my NIC
[21:03] <JivanPal> Nor my WiFi adapter
[21:03] <oerheks> that would give server/services/desktops as option, but requires networking, wired
[21:04] <JivanPal> Both NIC and WiFi work fine in 16.04 Desktop live boot
[21:04] <JivanPal> But can't get either detected in netboot for some reason
[21:08] <JivanPal> Is upgrading from 16.04 Server to 18.04 a reasonable path?
[21:09] <JivanPal> If so, i.e. all the latest packages are available for 32-bit, I'll probably just do that
[21:13] <oerheks> You’ve heard about Spectre and Meltdown – many of the mitigations for those attacks are unavailable to 32-bit systems. .. https://ubuntu.com/blog/statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages-for-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-lts
[21:13] <oerheks> so it will be a honeypot, 32 bit wireless server
[21:19] <JivanPal> oerheks: just a hobby project, not a production server 🙂
[21:20] <JivanPal> It's a Pentium III, I sure as hell wouldn't be using that for any actual needed stuff
[21:20]  * kadiro love P3
[21:20] <oerheks> not sure it can boot 32 bit ..
[21:21] <JivanPal> From the reading I've done, Canonical just decided to stop providing 32-bit ISOs since 17.10, but still maintain 32-bit repos.
[21:21] <JivanPal> Seems like I might be able to upgrade from 16.04 Server
[21:22] <JivanPal> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029183/downgrade-from-17-10-to-16-04lts
[21:22] <JivanPal> But it would be more convenient to just install 18.04 fresh, so just wanted to now if/how I can proceed with the 18.04 hd-media, since netboot mini.iso isn't working for me
[21:22] <JivanPal> *know
[21:22] <oerheks> that will do, if you get your nic working
[21:25] <JivanPal> I'm honestly surprised that, since 32-bit bionic repos exist, no community members have made a 32-bit ISO for it
[21:25] <JivanPal> But ah well, have to get rid of old things eventually
[21:29] <snatcher> how can i debug grey screen on boot (appeared after notebook fully discharged)?
[21:29] <tomreyn> does it actually get to grub? hardware /firmware issue?
[21:29] <kadiro> grey screen?
[21:35] <rfm> JivanPal, maybe you could install with debootstrap from the 16.04 live CD boot?  There seem to be some instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux though the look pretty old
[21:36] <rfm> JivanPal, also looking at https://ubuntu.com/blog/statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages-for-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-lts those 32 bit repos may not be complete...
[21:37] <JivanPal> rfm: I did come across someone mentioning `debbootstrap`, will have to look into it
[21:37] <snatcher> tomreyn: grub is here
[21:37] <JivanPal> snatcher: edit bootentry (press E when your Ubuntu Grub entry is highlighted), remove "quiet splash", press CTRL+X to boot with those settings
[21:37] <snatcher> kadiro: or black, not sure because of notebook display backlight
[21:37] <JivanPal> That'll show you what's happening during boot
[21:38] <kadiro> snatcher> I see, like said JivanPal it will make you know what happen
[21:39] <tomreyn> !bootlog | snatcher
[21:40] <JivanPal> rfm: also thanks for the link to that blog post, good to know that 20.04 might not be an option for this machine
[21:41] <snatcher> strange, booted _after_ black screen without "quiet splash"
[21:41] <snatcher> hangs on grey screen with "quiet splash", any ideas?
[21:42] <JivanPal> Was this installation booting fine previously?
[21:42] <snatcher> not sure
[21:44] <snatcher> worked after installation, but doesn't after shutdown(?) >after notebook fully discharged
[21:44] <JivanPal> Seems weird that "quiet splash" would affect whether it boots successfully
[21:45] <oerheks> it does not.
[21:45] <JivanPal> My thinking exactly, but snatcher claims it did?
[21:46] <tomreyn> snatcher: so it's fully booted now?
[21:51] <snatcher> booted without "quiet", is really strange maybe there is typo or something
[21:53] <JivanPal> Might be a modesetting issue?
[21:54] <bkurt78> Does anyone know if new images for the 64bit version of 19.10 for the pi are going to be released anytime soon?
[21:54] <JivanPal> Editing GRUB_GFX values in /etc/default/grub may provide a solution
[21:54] <oerheks> hold shift @ boot, and use grub to boot into recovery
[21:55] <oerheks> bkurt78, if they have fixed the usb bug .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-raspi2/+bug/1848790
[21:55] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-raspi2/+bug/1848703
[21:57] <bkurt78> I saw the bug posting and I see they have some packages that you try with updated kernels, but I can't see how you go about getting access to the device to install the packages.  It doesn't appear that ssh is starting at boot.
[21:58] <JivanPal> Server version is available here https://ubuntu.com/download/iot/raspberry-pi
[21:59] <bkurt78> JivanPal:  Yep, that is the one I'm trying but there is a significant bug with usb for the 64 bit version.
[21:59] <JivanPal> Ahh, would've thought they'd already updated it
[21:59] <JivanPal> I see now
[21:59] <oerheks> that is all the info i have
[21:59] <tomreyn> bubbler4: please stop
[22:03] <snatcher> hmm seems kernel parameters doesn't matter it sometime boots sometime doesn't
[22:05] <JivanPal> snatcher: probably a bad boot media (failing drive) or a bad install (some files corrupted during installation or when the battery died, as you said)
[22:05] <JivanPal> The latter scenario may have occurred if Ubuntu did not accurately determine the battery percentage and hibernate, and instead suffered a power outage, i.e. OS immediately turned off without warning
[22:06] <JivanPal> Though that doesn't seem very likely, since I expect the ext4 journal would determine any such issues and fix them
[22:06] <tomreyn> snatcher: once it booted and you got internet access, run    echo -n bad boot:; journalctl -b -1 | nc termbin.com 9999; echo; echo -n good boot: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999: echo
[22:07] <jhutchins> Check dmesg, install smartmontools, fsck from other boot medium.
[22:08] <JivanPal> Whoa, termbin.com is cool
[22:24] <Neffscape> Good evening everybody
[22:26] <ironpillow> Hi everyone, I have a timer running every 30 mins to check for something and restart if necessary. But I also want to restart around 4:30am everyday regardless. Any advice? thanks!
[22:27] <oerheks> ironpillow, how about a 2nd cron job ?
[22:28] <ironpillow> oerheks: I was thinking about that. But I don't want to them to execute at the same time.
[22:33] <JivanPal> Have the Always Restart job set to 04:30, and have the Maybe Restart job set to XX:15 and XX:45
[22:36] <ironpillow> JivanPal: sorry I am new to systemd timers. Should I have the always restart at 04:30 in the timer file?
[22:37] <JivanPal> Not familiar with systemd timers, I'd just use cron
[22:38] <ironpillow> this is what I have (which is working): https://gist.github.com/ironpillow/8b7d3495cdd8dd17278030e44b9de64f
[22:38] <ironpillow> Oh ok
[22:39] <snatcher> tomreyn: is there a simple way to do the same from boot media? chroot?
[22:45] <tomreyn> snatcher: the same as what? post your logs? just need to mount the installed systesm' root file system at e.g. /mnt/ and then journalctl -D /mnt/var/log/journal/
[23:17] <snatcher> tomreyn: seems there is no log on bad boot, last log i get with "journalctl -b -D /media/..." is good boot hour ago not latest bad boot minutes ago
[23:18] <tomreyn> snatcher: yes, well possible if it failed early
[23:18] <tomreyn> snatcher: share the good one if you like
[23:18] <tomreyn> also upgrade mainboard firmware
[23:20] <Polybius-> my thumb drive isnt showing up
[23:21] <Polybius-> lsusb isnt showing it either
[23:22] <Polybius-> dont everybody type at once
[23:22] <oerheks> not even with lsusb? is it inserted in a black or blue usb port?  blue would be usb3, try usb2 = black does it work on an other machine?
[23:22] <snatcher> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/d1go
[23:23] <Polybius-> idk what you mean. it showed up yestorday. i formatted the usb last night
[23:23] <Polybius-> oerheks,
[23:23] <tomreyn> snatcher: bios from march, likely not the latest?
[23:23] <oerheks> does it work on an other machine?
[23:24] <tomreyn> Dell Inc. Vostro 3480/0H40C6, BIOS 1.4.1 03/20/2019
[23:24] <Polybius-> i dont have another machine to test it
[23:24] <Polybius-> i would assume it does though
[23:24] <Polybius-> no reason for it not too
[23:25] <oerheks> then it is dead.
[23:25] <tomreyn> snatcher: i suggest using !LTSE if this is newer hardware
[23:25] <tomreyn> !LTSE | snatcher
[23:27] <tomreyn> [drm:intel_bios_init [i915]] *ERROR* Unexpected child device config size 39 (expected 38 for VBT version 221)
[23:27] <Polybius-> is there anything i can do?
[23:29] <pragmaticenigma> Polybius-: What have you done on your own? Have you reboot the computer, have you tried another USB drive, have you check your system/journald logs for clues
[23:29] <tomreyn> snatcher: ath10k_pci 0000:02:00.0: Direct firmware load for ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:02:00.0.bin failed with error -2      ath10k_pci 0000:02:00.0: Direct firmware load for ath10k/cal-pci-0000:02:00.0.bin failed with error -2
[23:31] <Polybius-> pragmaticenigma, i have tried another USB and it worked fine. i'm not very experienced with logs so i didnt know where to look. and i was hoping there were some sort of commands or something that would fix the issue before i rebooted my computer becouse i have alot of things up at the moment
[23:31] <Polybius-> other than var
[23:32] <pragmaticenigma> Polybius-: Rebooting a computer is the very first thing you should always do when you have unexpected behavior from a computer. Do the reboot, then report back
[23:32] <Polybius-> ill be back.
[23:32] <tomreyn> snatcher: journalctl -b grep 'kernel: ath10k_pci 0000:02:00.0: Unknown eventid'
[23:32] <tomreyn> snatcher: journalctl -b | grep -F 'kernel: ath10k_pci 0000:02:00.0: Unknown eventid'
[23:33] <tomreyn> snatcher: so i'd say just try the newer kernel and see if this helps, and maybe look for updated firmwares, too
[23:33] <tomreyn> mostly for the wireless, the mainboard seems to be fine
[23:34] <tomreyn> it's also running a bit hot at 81°C
[23:36] <tomreyn> actually you dont need those wireless firmwares either, those are (optional) port specific pre-calibration ones.
[23:36] <Polybius-> no avail
[23:37] <tomreyn> :-/ Polybius- might need to replace it
[23:37] <pragmaticenigma> Polybius-: Without the ability to test the drive with another computer, then I'm going to have to agree with oerheks and tomreyn  ... the drive is no longer working and it's time to replace
[23:38] <tomreyn> if you got spare coins, there are now tiny usb stick-like ssd's which last forever and are very fast.
[23:39] <Polybius-> i unplugged my cell phone and used that port and it worked. the port i used was a much tighter fit than the other too, so i think my usb is about to go out.
[23:39] <oerheks> pragmaticenigma, even in an usb3 port it would show up, no?
[23:40] <Polybius-> its my biggest usb. this sucks
[23:41] <oerheks> * with lsusb
[23:41] <tomreyn> Polybius-: get a q-tip, high % alcohol without sugar, remove some wool so it fits, clean contacts
[23:42] <Polybius-> okay ill pick up some alcohol later. thanks
[23:42] <Polybius-> tomreyn,  rubbing alcohol work?
[23:43] <tomreyn> it can help clean dirty contacts. maybe more of a topic for ##hardware
[23:44] <oerheks>  than the other too ..
[23:44] <oerheks> how about using one of them? or am i silly to ask?
[23:48] <pragmaticenigma> Polybius-: rubbing alcohol will work... make sure that anything that you are cleaning is completely turned off and without power
[23:56] <snatcher> after firmware update 5 good boots in a row
[23:58] <tomreyn> helps sometimes ;)