[11:27] <studiobot> Yana Suryana was added by: Yana Suryana
[11:27] <studiobot> <Yana Suryana> hello i'm newbie
[11:40] <tomreyn> hi Yana Suryana
[11:41] <tomreyn> if you have some support questions, just ask away:
[11:41] <tomreyn> !ask
[11:41] <tomreyn> and, yes, you may need to bring some patience.
[12:22] <jubo2> Sometimes in irc you get help in 15 seconds, sometimes you need to wait patiently for half a day
[15:54] <wonko> jubo2: still better than Gitter where you ask questions and they are never answered.
[15:57] <tomreyn> Sometimes in irc you respond to questions and your responses are never read.
[15:57] <tomreyn> studiobot: have you ever heard of this phenomenon?
[15:58] <tomreyn> i mean Yana Suryana, of course.
[15:58] <oerheks> aks a question, thén google/bing/askjeeves
[15:59]  * oerheks remounts /dev/root
[19:35] <Peter70> Hi all. First time in here for me. IRC newbie.
[19:36] <Peter70> This room is pretty dead, isn't it?
 Support channel mate, not much of a channel to chat.
 Be patient, it might take some time before you get a reply to your question. Also, just ask the question right away
 @Go_Diego_Go [Be patient, it might take some time before you get a reply to your question. Als …], 👆☝️
[19:38] <Peter70> In Ubuntu Studio, how can I determine which version I'm running?
 Open a terminal and type lsb_release -a
 I think that should work.
 Go to terminal and typr lsb_release -a
 Or
[19:39] <Peter70> Thanks!
 System settings -> Details from 'system' tab
[19:41] <Peter70> That works. Much appeciated.
 No problem bro :)
[19:44] <Peter70> Some, I didn't understand your suggestion. When I go to System Settings through the menu I don't see a Details tab.
[19:48] <OvenWerks> Peter70: I think that is a "gnomish" thing. cat /etc/os-release  or lsb_release -a (as above) uname -a with give the current kernel
[19:49] <OvenWerks> Note that none fo these actually say ubuntustudio... I do not know why but all flavours are built on Ubuntu anyway.
[19:50] <Peter70> Thanks, OvenWerks.
[19:53] <Peter70> cat/etc/os-release doesn't work for me.
[19:53] <OvenWerks> space after cat?
[19:54] <Peter70> That works. Thanks, OvenWerks.
[19:59] <Peter70> Can I upgrade to Ubuntu Studio 19.10 from 18.04 and retain all my apps and data? In other words, not start from scratch on everything?
[19:59] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ^^ ?? (he knows the magic command)
[20:00] <OvenWerks> simple answer is yes, but there is a precommand that gets rid of extra PPAs
[20:01] <OvenWerks> without getting rid of the extra PPAs properly some people have had trouble
[20:01] <Peter70> Well, I want to get rid of the extra PPAs. Whatever those are.
[20:03] <Peter70> Not a high level of terminal sophistication here.
[20:03] <Peter70> For me, I mean.
[20:04] <OvenWerks> I understand, however, in this case I don't remember the command exactly, Eickmeyer has it off the top of his head
[20:04] <OvenWerks> !
[20:04] <OvenWerks> !upgrade
[20:05] <OvenWerks> nope
[20:05] <OvenWerks> !upgrade ubuntustudio
[20:05] <OvenWerks> that didn't work either
 Isn't it apt-get dist-upgrade?
 Sorry, for putting my 2 cents in
[20:06] <OvenWerks> yes but there is a ppa remove and purge command that needs to be done first. I just don't remember what that is :)
 Google time
[20:07] <Peter70> What kind of trouble am I risking if I don't remove the extra PPAs first?
[20:07] <OvenWerks> upgrade stops part way through.
[20:08] <Peter70> That sounds bad.
[20:08] <OvenWerks> sometimes a reboot and a apt install -f will get it to finish sometimes not
 Can't you remove them from the /etc/apt/sources.list?
[20:09] <OvenWerks> if you leave irc running, when Eickmeyer sees he has been pinged, I am sure the answer will show up.
[20:09] <OvenWerks> yes removing them from the list is part of it but there is a purge command after that.
 otherwise you can also do add-apt-repository —remove ppa:"name of ppa"/ppa
 @OvenWerks [<OvenWerks> yes removing them from the list is part of it but there is a purge c …], OOHHHHH
[20:10] <Peter70> I wouldn't know the name of the PPA I want to remove.
 Are you talking about ppa-purge?
[20:14] <Peter70> Assuming I've removed the extra PPAs or want to risk proceeding without removing the extra PPAs, what's the upgrade command?
 @Peter70 [<Peter70> Assuming I've removed the extra PPAs or want to risk proceeding withou …], Upgrading from 18.04 to 19.10?
[20:15] <Peter70> Yes. 18.04 to 19.10.
 It should be sudo apt-get update && dist-upgrade
 Try that
[20:16] <Peter70> Unclear on what to type. The green part represents what?
[20:17] <Peter70> The ampersands.
[20:17] <Peter70> Do the ampersands represent actual ampersands?
 The ampersands mean i believe and! do this
[20:17] <Peter70> Huh?
[20:18] <Peter70> As separate commands or on the same line?
[20:18] <Peter70> You see my level here.
 That command in all means update my packages and upgrade my distribution
 Type
 sudo apt-get update && dist-upgrade
 then type your root password
[20:19] <Peter70> Again with the green ampersands.
 Sorry, I'm chatting via telegram so thsoe don't show up for me
[20:19] <Peter70> There's a level of representation here you may think is obvious to me but isn't.
 type this all on one line
 sudo
 apt-get
 update
[20:20] <Peter70> Western Union telegram? You must be joking.
 &&
[20:20] <Peter70> Again I'm seeing green ampersands.
 dist-upgrade
 Ok
 Type this
 sudo apt-get update
 It should update your packages
[20:21] <Peter70> studiobot, this is hypothetical. I'm not typing that stuff NOW.
[20:21] <Peter70> I haven't removed the extra PPAs.
 I know, I am telling you via hypotheical
[20:22] <Peter70> I'm gonna have to go back and study it, because I still don't know what you intend to represent with green characters.
[20:23] <Peter70> They'e green for a reason, right?
 The green ampersands mean nothing
[20:23] <Peter70> Like they're placeholders for something else I'm supposed to plug in?
 that's part of the command
[20:23] <Peter70> Why are they green?
[20:24] <Peter70> Characters don't just turn green for no reason, do they?
 They're green because they are.
[20:25] <Peter70> I don't understand.
 But the command to upgrade your distributon is sudo apt-get update && dist-upgrade
[20:26] <Peter70> Again. Green ampersands. Why are you doing that?
[20:26] <Peter70> What am I supposed to understand here?
 Once you have found out how to delete the ppa's you need, you can use that command to upgrade from 18.04 to 19.10
[20:26] <GREENampersand> Send the command please
[20:27] <Peter70> Now you're mocking me.
[20:27] <GREENampersand> No, I'm a different person, I logged in to irc to see what the green words were that way I could help you
[20:28] <Peter70> I think somebody's just having fun here.
[20:29] <Peter70> I'm sincerely trying to understand the command.
 The green ampersands are just part of the command.
 I'm talking to you via the telegram app mate.
[20:30] <Peter70> Not familiar with that. But I've sent real telegrams. Back in the eighties.
 Telegram is a messenger app, like whatsapp, or facebook messenger.
[20:31] <Peter70> Okay.
[20:32] <Peter70> Well, until I figure out (or am told) how to remove extra PPAs I think I should wait on the upgrade. Thanks for the help.
 The ampersands is part of the command. No reason why they turn green for you. Maybe because the irc interprets && as a part of code or something.
[20:32] <Peter70> Could be.
[20:33] <Peter70> Why do you use a handle that makes it seem like you're a bot?
 @Peter70 [<Peter70> Could be.], No problem, eickmayer should be here momentarily to help.
 @Peter70 [<Peter70> Why do you use a handle that makes it seem like you're a bot?], This bot bridges and relays messages between telegram app and the actual irc.
[20:34] <Peter70> Oh.
[20:34] <Peter70> Well, thanks again for your help.
 My handle on Telegram is some Irrelevant person. Not sure if you can see that via this message.
 @Peter70 [<Peter70> Well, thanks again for your help.], No problem again mate. Eickmayer should be here momentarily to help you. :) Please be patient.
[20:36] <Peter70> Oh, I see now.
 @Peter70 [<Peter70> Oh, I see now.], :)
[20:36] <Peter70> Typical newbie mistakes I suppose.
[20:37] <Peter70> And then some.
 Lol. It happens, you live and you learn.
[23:14] <Peter70> SomeIrrelevantPerson0000, I'd like to assess risk. By "extra PPAs" do you mean PPAs I've manually installed? Because that's a set of zero.
[23:48] <tomreyn> Peter70: i haven't followed your chat but when extra PPAs are mentioned in #ubuntustudio my guess it it refers to *any* PPAs but the ubuntustudio backports one.
[23:49] <tomreyn> or any where you couldn't tell what their support policy is.
[23:50] <tomreyn> sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy     to list configured repositories
[23:50] <OvenWerks> backport ones too I would think
[23:52] <OvenWerks> maybe even the backport ones in particular because there can be package conflicts with backports to new release of the same package
[23:52] <tomreyn> OvenWerks: you're saying this PPA introduced package conflicts? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/BackportsPPA
[23:53] <OvenWerks> It could yes
[23:54] <tomreyn> theoretically, sure, but i guess Eickmey3r would be careful there.