[01:22] <ppdac> Hello, I have several file servers running 2:4.7.6+dfsg~ubuntu-0ubuntu2.11. I noticed that the three that have been rebooted for updates will now drop SMB connections for Macs overnight. The other servers are also running the same package with the exact same setup, but haven't been rebooted, and these will not drop connections.
[01:23] <ppdac> Samba logs the drop events as: ../source3/smbd/service.c:1050(close_cnum)closed connection to service data
[01:23] <ppdac> The Macs log the events as: kcm DEPRECATED USE in libdispatch client: Setting timer interval to 0 requests a 1ns timer, did you mean FOREVER (a one-shot timer)?; set a breakpoint on _dispatch_bug_deprecated to debug
[01:24] <ppdac> I'm not afraid to restart the other servers for updates... does anyone have any experience with this type of issue?
[01:24] <ppdac> Windows clients and Linux clients will not drop connections on any of the servers, even the rebooted ones.
[01:25] <ppdac> I'm now afraid*
[01:27] <ppdac> Sorry 2:4.7.6+dfsg~ubuntu-0ubuntu2.11 is the Samba package version.
[01:50] <tomreyn> ppdac: we have #ubuntu-server for your (apparently) ubuntu 18.04 LTS server questions
[01:51] <ppdac> Oh, thank you tomreyn
[01:51] <tomreyn> ppdac: however, at this time of day, you might have to wait a while. maybe try ##linux, too. or something macos, if i got you right and you worry about those clients
[01:52] <ppdac> Yes, that's right. Sounds like good advice, thank you!
[01:52] <tomreyn> i have not much understanding of samba, good luck
[01:54] <tomreyn> ppdac: be aware that, just to complicate matters further, some countries will experience DST switching today (maybe that's actually why you timed the maintenance for now).
[01:54] <ppdac> Hello, I have several file servers running Samba 4.7.6 (package 2:4.7.6+dfsg~ubuntu-0ubuntu2.11). I noticed that the three that have been rebooted for updates will now drop SMB connections for Macs overnight. The other servers are also running the same package with the exact same setup, but haven't been rebooted, and these will not drop
[01:54] <ppdac> connections.Samba logs the drop events as: ../source3/smbd/service.c:1050(close_cnum)closed connection to service shareNameThe Macs log the events as:kcm DEPRECATED USE in libdispatch client: Setting timer interval to 0 requests a 1ns timer, did you mean FOREVER (a one-shot timer)?; set a breakpoint on _dispatch_bug_deprecated to debugI'm now
[01:54] <ppdac> afraid to restart the other servers for updates... does anyone have any experience with this type of issue?Windows clients and Linux clients will not drop connections on any of the servers, even the rebooted ones.
[01:55] <ppdac> Oops, so sorry
[01:55] <tomreyn> :)
[01:55] <ScottyK> Greetings! Trying to install 19.10 on my vostro 5370 laptop that came preloaded with windows 10. Have the ubuntu iso on a flashdrive. when I disable secure boot and restart, I select the "uefi sandisk partition 1" to load. Upon installing ubuntu, it can't "see" the internal SSD. suggestions?
[02:01] <ryuo> ScottyK: meaning the installer doesn't see it?
[02:02] <ScottyK> ruyo - correct. It just "sees" sdb, which is the flash drive.
[02:02] <ryuo> wait, what? try going to a shell and try this: ls /dev/sd*
[02:03] <ryuo> it suggest something is at /dev/sda?
[02:03] <ScottyK> ok..
[02:03] <ryuo> usb should be sda if there's no other detected drives.
[02:03] <ryuo> ScottyK: what is revealed?
[02:05] <tomreyn> ScottyK: in your bios, set the SATA MODE from its current value of RAID to AHCI
[02:05] <ScottyK> booting over to that side now...
[02:06] <ryuo> tomreyn: why would it be in RAID?
[02:06] <tomreyn> because some companies think fakeraid is great
[02:06] <ryuo> there's no benefit for a single drive system
[02:06] <ScottyK> @tomreyn - I think I saw something in bios about that!
[02:07] <tomreyn> ryuo: the companies selling it to users as a feature, that it
[02:07] <tomreyn> *is
[02:07] <ryuo> a feature that's utterly useless.
[02:07] <ryuo> for most laptops
[02:07] <ryuo> you need at least 2 drives for that to make sense.
[02:08] <tomreyn> for this to potentially make a little bit of sense, yes
[02:08] <ryuo> ScottyK: one small piece of advice. are you planning to overwrite windows 10 entirely?
[02:09] <tomreyn> i agree with this advice
[02:09] <ScottyK> @ruyo - comes up with /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb1
[02:09] <ryuo> ScottyK: if so you may want to do a blkdiscard on the SSD prior to installation to completely reset the SSD.
[02:09] <ryuo> now it does?
[02:09] <ScottyK> but when I go to install, all it can install to is sdb. no option anywhere for sda
[02:10] <tomreyn> also upgrade any firmwares before you remove windows
[02:10] <ryuo> yes... it's a lot harder to do later. it's always easiest from windows.
[02:10] <ScottyK> @ryuo - no i want to dual boot for now
[02:10] <ryuo> Ok, then forget blkdiscard.
[02:10] <ryuo> though
[02:10] <devslash> what package is the service binary located in ?
[02:10] <devslash> systemd-services ?
[02:11] <ScottyK> I'm going to boot back into the bios and look for that raid to ahci option tomreyn spoke of. back in a bit!
[02:11] <ryuo> ScottyK: you may find it easier to do that by preformatting the SSD and reinstalling windows 10 to a custom setup... it can be a PITA to resize its partitions after the fact.
[02:11] <tomreyn> ScottyK: you may need to do this differently if you intend to continue using the existing windows installation
[02:13] <tomreyn> ScottyK: we're not strictly a windows support channel but this seems to explain how to switch this without breaking windows http://triplescomputers.com/blog/uncategorized/solution-switch-windows-10-from-raidide-to-ahci-operation/
[02:14] <tomreyn> and you kind of want to switch it to install ubuntu (it may also be possible without, but i don't really recommend it)
[02:14] <tomreyn> and there's more you need to change in windows to enable it to coexist with linux
[02:15] <ScottyK> @tomreyn great thanks for the intel! Usually when I get a new laptop I nuke it and install a fresh install of win and linux anyway. preloaded windows aways has weirdness. looks like it's time to do the same for this one.
[02:18] <rud0lf> call me silly, but today Poland switched from CEST (summer time) to CET, which should result in 3am go 2am again? nothing happened
[02:18] <rud0lf> it's 3:18 now
[02:18] <rud0lf> according to system
[02:19] <tomreyn> ScottyK: some search terms for you: "disable fastboot", "disable fast startup", "dual boot windows 10 clock utc"
[02:19] <rud0lf> google "poland time" says 3am too *confused gasp*
[02:19] <tomreyn> rud0lf: your system already switched
[02:19] <ScottyK> @tomreyn - thanks!!
[02:19] <tomreyn> rud0lf: 3:18 is your new time
[02:20] <rud0lf> hmmm
[02:24] <ppdac> I think ScottyK probably has an NVMe drive
[02:24] <ppdac> So, not using the SATA settings
[02:25] <quidnunc> I'm trying to do-release-upgrade but I only have 3GB of free space on /, and the installer quits, saying it needs 8GB. I don't think I can free any more space, what can I do? My /var is on another partition with plenty of space
[02:26] <ScottyK> I'm going to back up the windows side, then try to adjust the settings via the link tomreyn posted. If that doesn't work, then I'll go into the bios and switch from raid to ahpi. If it nukes the OS, I'll simply reinstall windows. then try to install ubuntu
[02:28] <ScottyK> Maybe that will explain when I try to use ubuntu in a VM on the same laptop, it can't find the host for the shared folders.
[02:30] <tomreyn> rud0lf: journalctl --since=01:59 --until=03:00
[02:32] <rud0lf> thanks tomreyn
[02:36] <snatcher> lubuntu 19.10 doesn't(?) allow select multiple kbd layouts on install? >selected local layout >added english layout manually from widget to enter username/password >cannot login while there is no english layout only local
[02:38] <en1gma> i just installed ubuntu 18.04.3 Desktop 64bit to a micro usb card. when installing i selected to allow it to download 3rd party software. when i did this it asked me to enter some (special) security password and i did.
[02:38] <en1gma> when i rebooted it booted me into what looked like my laptop bios and it was asking me about a password
[02:39] <en1gma> what was that as i did not enter or create the password but it did allow me to continue to install but like i said i never entered that password
[02:53] <tomreyn> quidnunc: you could symlink /var/lib/apt/lists/ to a new directory on the /var partition during the upgrade
[02:54] <tomreyn> quidnunc: or you could boot from a live usb system and resize partitions + file systems
[02:55] <tomreyn> that it needs 8 GB extra means you have a *lot* installed though
[02:56] <tomreyn> (maybe you misinterpreted the message?)
[03:04] <JakeOLantern> Hey-yo.
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> what can we do for you JakeOLantern
[03:34] <JakeOLantern> Oh, hey. If I only want to *send* email using sendmail, do I have to all both outgoing *and* incoming traffic on 25?
[03:52] <Ilgaz> Did grub2 get a last second update before 19.10 final release?
[04:31] <magic_ninja_work> blueooth is using a ton of power on 19.10. Is there anything I can do to investigate it? It is using close to 10W
[04:49] <magic_ninja_work> man, power usage was doing great on here. Now it is crap.
[04:49] <magic_ninja_work> Like 2 hours. Wtf.
[04:50] <magic_ninja_work> It is iwlwifi and bluetooth doing it.
[05:09] <Amorris> Can you install Ubuntu 19.1 on a SATA device that's using RAID?
[05:29] <pragmaticenigma> !raid | Amorris
[06:24] <FaTaL_GG> Hi all, Im running ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS, I've been running 16.04 and on both versions I have a very annoying issue that many (if not every) time I reboot, the interfaces dont all come back up properly, specifically, the dhcp server never gets an ip from the modem. If I "sudo ifup -a" it works
[06:25] <FaTaL_GG> I constantly get a "failed to bring up br0" but its got to be a false error, because br0 works fine
[08:05] <johnjay> FaTaL_GG: where do you look for the diagnostic messages? journalctl?
[08:43] <FaTaL_GG> johnjay, which message?
[08:43] <FaTaL_GG> the br0 one?
[08:44] <FaTaL_GG> that happens when I ifup -a, but the br0 wa already working, because I do thiswith putty
[08:44] <FaTaL_GG> its jus dhcp never gets an address
[08:44] <FaTaL_GG> on the nic facing the modem
[08:44] <geekPanther> How can i create User credentials for Gitea Droplet that I created in DigitalOcens?
[08:59] <HokarPokar> Hey guys. I am facing some trouble with some wifi router which delivers extremely low speeds. I have already posted the question at https://superuser.com/questions/1496269/how-to-debug-slow-wifi-speed-over-tplink-router. Since I'm using a ubuntu, if any can offer any help, that shall be great
[09:01] <geekPanther> How Can I Fix "USER is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."? Please help me figureout
[09:06] <ayew> as superuser : adduser $USER sudo
[09:06] <ayew> i.e. run as root or run sudo adduser $USER sudo from an account that already has is in the sudo group
[09:07] <ayew> also, this is presuming the file /etc/sudoers is configured proparly, but it shoudl be by default
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> HokarPokar: wifi router issues, might fit more in ##networking or ##hardware unless you assume its your wifi chipset that lacks in ubuntu?
[09:08] <ayew> HokarPokar: >  two different machines running linux and windows....Both of them receive a lower speed of around 25 Mbps.<  the issue is not ubuntu
[09:16] <ayew> HokarPokar: id hazard a guess that a $30 wireless router just isn't very good, but the spec sheete says 802.11n, so it should not work
[09:16] <ayew> should work*
[09:41] <doug16k> ayew, freudian slip? :D
[09:41] <ayew> something like that
[09:42] <ayew> ive had lots of people come to be with router issues and usually my answer is: put that overpriced isp supplied router in the trash, so perhaps it is :p
[10:12] <doev> How can I send line-in direct to line-out with pulse-audio?
[10:41] <Kolas> if i successfully setup ppppoe is there any reason why the computer would not be able to receive connections from the internet
[10:41] <Kolas> specifically ssh
[10:41] <Kolas> no firewall rules in iptables
[10:43] <EriC^> Kolas: is ssh installed and running?
[10:43] <Kolas> yes.
[10:43] <EriC^> systemctl status ssh
[10:43] <EriC^> what happens when you try to connect to the pc?
[10:44] <Kolas> its remote now. ssh connection just times out
[10:44] <EriC^> Kolas: what happens if you do "nc -lvp 4444" and then "echo bla | <your-ip> 4444" in another terminal?
[10:46] <Kolas> cant check that quick. the system is quite a bit away and i have to ask someone else to type that stuff in ;/
[10:46] <Kolas> thanks for your help
[10:47] <Kolas> i put ubuntu on a usb stick with openssh server. that one was working just fine here locally in my network
[10:47] <Kolas> the usb stick was carried to the system.. and then pppoe was setup successfully
[10:47] <Kolas> and i was hoping i could just go from there and do the rest of the setup. mostly for testing purposes.
[10:48] <Kolas> the gist is of it is i should check if its listening as expected right?
[10:48] <EriC^> Kolas: try using ssh -vvv user@host when connecting
[10:50] <EriC^> it should give alot more info
[10:52] <Kolas> just sits there at connecting to IP port XXX
[10:52] <Kolas> i think i might have fundamentally messed something up..
[10:53] <Kolas> first time i use pppoe like this. i assumed it would be related to that
[10:54] <EriC^> no idea about pppoe, maybe try joining ##networking as well
[10:54] <Kolas> will do. appreciate your input :D
[10:54] <EriC^> np
[11:20] <Kolas> so apparently i got an ipv6 address from pppoe that shows up weirdly (to me) in ifconfig
[11:21] <Kolas> now i have to figure out how to get ddclient to work with ipv6
[11:45] <jil> hello
[11:45] <jil> hi
[11:46] <jil> Is there a pratical way to see all fonts installed on the system for a specific letter ?
[11:46] <jil> For exemple, I'de like to display on instance of the C in the different fonts
[11:48] <jil> Im' using gnome-font-view but it dispaly A and B, not a user defined character .
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:55] <circuitbone> jil: font forge perhaps
[11:56] <jil> circuitbone: looks nice.  Thankyou.
[11:56] <circuitbone> Np
[12:01] <ra> jil font-manager too. it's #4 in this list of font utilities https://www.ubuntupit.com/15-best-linux-font-tools-and-how-to-install-linux-fonts-on-ubuntu/
[12:03] <jil> nice link.  thank you ra
[12:11] <jil> font-manager is very nice but, it lak the feature I'm looking for.  comparing all fonts with user edited text.  Say, display side by side all representations of the C letter.
[12:11] <jil> reading font forge manual, I see that what I'm asking may be hard to find because font letter are designed as font familly members first not as a font individual to be compared to other font individual.
[12:12] <circuitbone> Jil untested but this pythonic lib might be able to make a glyph report from different fonts
[12:12] <circuitbone> https://robofont.com/documentation/building-tools/toolspace/drawbot/proof-glyphs/
[12:16] <circuitbone> Perhaps overthinking it and now considering png of font letters out of image magick
[12:38] <ra> jil, i keep reading that font-manager does filtering 'It has a compare feature that lets you compare multiple fonts with your choice of text.'
[12:38] <ra> jil, have a look at this post.  https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/120674/gallery-of-installed-fonts
[12:38] <dreamcat4> hey there. iḿ on 19.10 now, and with latest nvidia drivers. however i cannot see ǵnome'as a login option?
[12:38] <dreamcat4> i mean the wayland version of gnome. that just says ǵnome'inside the cog/gears dropdown
[12:39] <dreamcat4> please excuse the accented characters
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> dreamcat4: nvidia + wayland is still a work in progress
[12:39] <dreamcat4> cool man
[12:40] <dreamcat4> i was just wondering if there is still possible for me to try logging into it using my current setup
[12:40] <dreamcat4> just to quickly test something else
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> dreamcat4: maybe read in the releasenotes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes#Enabling_Wayland_support_with_the_NVIDIA_proprietary_driver
[12:40] <dreamcat4> thanks! yes i dont plan on using it as my main. itś just for some testing purpose
[13:14] <jil> yes ar, font-manager can compare font but you select the manualy one by one.  not very efficient.
[13:14] <jil> The best I have for know is inkscape text tool
[13:15] <boktan> im on ubuntu live usb now but i need iso file from my harddisk how to get it on live usb
[13:17] <oerheks> standard live usb has no writing part, you need to setup a persistence part
[13:17] <oerheks> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/create-persistent-storage-live-usb-with.html
[13:18] <boktan> so i cannot create bootable usb from live usb ubuntu_
[13:18] <boktan> ?
[13:18] <boktan> i have kali linux iso on harddrive
[13:18] <oerheks> that is an other question ..
[13:19] <boktan> and i want to use startup disk creator from ubuntu
[13:19] <boktan> but get the iso from harddrive
[13:20] <boktan> i think i need to mount the home directory from the parrot os from harddrive
[13:20] <boktan> right_
[13:20] <boktan> ?
[13:21] <oerheks> why using ubuntu live as you have parrot os already?
[13:21] <boktan> parrot i did clean install
[13:22] <boktan> because of update upgrade and install not working
[13:22] <boktan> they have some problem started today
[13:22] <boktan> i think
[13:22] <boktan> so i do want to do with ubuntu
[13:22] <boktan> the tool from ubuntu is easy for me to use
[13:25] <oerheks> go try it, boot ubuntu, and open filemanager, the partitions should be there, not too hard for a 'kali hacker' ???
[13:25] <oerheks> then write the iso to a 2nd usb
[13:25] <boktan> i dont see any different on any distro everything same shit one have things working better then the another
[13:27] <boktan> parrot haves another shit not working ubuntu haves another and let see what is not working on kali
[13:27] <boktan> ?D
[13:27] <boktan> :D
[13:31] <boktan> anyways i found it
[13:31] <boktan> thank you
[13:43] <CoolerY> the package system is broken again
[13:44] <CoolerY> https://bpaste.net/raw/22IL2
[13:49] <oerheks> run sudo apt update again, then sudo dpkg --configure -a ( best option) or sudo apt-get install -f
[13:49] <BluesKaj_> CoolerY,  try again, unattended updates may have interfered
[13:50] <oerheks> maybe.. or what happened that apt install -f is needed?
[13:50] <oerheks> half story
[13:50] <BluesKaj_> yeah looks like a dependency issue
[13:54] <jeremy31> CoolerY: make a paste for>  sudo fuser -v /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[14:07] <niko1990> Hello everyone
[14:09] <oerheks> hi niko1990
[14:11] <niko1990> I have a question: I have 3 Brand new 64GB SDHC U3 Card that are not working with my Ubuntu 18.04 (Lenovo laptop with included cardreader). On a second lenovo (same type) with windows 7 the sdhc cards are working like a charm... And the Cardreader in my ubuntu laptop is working with other sdhc cards too (older models around 16GB)... Is there a known bug or anything like else??? It always gives me in different commands 
[14:11] <niko1990> error...
[14:14] <oerheks> U3 card, is this with preinstalled software?
[14:14] <oerheks> !info u3-tool
[14:16] <niko1990> oerheks: no, its a blank one ( this one: https://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-Extreme-microSDXC-Cameras-Performance/dp/B07HB8SLMV/ )
[14:18] <Sven_vB> my xmodmap settings seem to be forgotton each time I reconnect my bluetooth headphones. I use them to re-assign the headphone buttons. how can I make them more permanent?
[14:18] <Sven_vB> using Xenial
[14:19] <oerheks> niko1990, does it show up with parted ?
[14:20] <Sven_vB> niko1990, what's the error message? also, once it works, test them with f3 to prevent data loss.
[14:23] <boktan> if i try to upgrade i get E: /var/cache/apt/archives/ not enough space error how can i increase the space on that folder?
[14:23] <niko1990> oerheks: Sven_vB: https://pste.eu/p/aMpx.html
[14:24] <niko1990> this is what i get in dmesg when i plug in the card
[14:24] <oerheks> boktan, what are you upgrading, ubuntu live usb?
[14:24] <boktan> im now on kali but what changes it? say me how i do it on ubuntu :D
[14:25] <oerheks> boktan, you have been told before: we do not support kali.
[14:25] <oerheks> no
[14:25] <boktan> no im asking for ubuntu :D
[14:25] <boktan> okay?
[14:25] <boktan> say me please IF YOUR KNOW how to do it on ubuntu
[14:25] <oerheks> no.
[14:25] <boktan> okay then please go to corner
[14:25] <boktan> :D
[14:26] <oerheks> boktan, please seek help in the kali channels, not here.
[14:26] <boktan> this is so stupid from you man
[14:26] <boktan> say me how i do it on ubuntu
[14:26] <oerheks> !ops
[14:26] <jeremy31> boktan: try google
[14:26] <boktan> im asking you ubuntu questi
[14:26] <enrio> hi
[14:26] <boktan> ion
[14:26] <tomreyn> hi enrio
[14:27] <enrio> can someone give me lightweight browser alternative firefox/chrome but still compatible with addons of firefox/chrome
[14:27] <tomreyn> hmm, i don't think there is one i could recommend.
[14:28] <boktan> enrio here no one can recommend anything
[14:28] <boktan> they just can disquss :D
[14:29] <boktan> by
[14:29] <tomreyn> ^ please ignore.
[14:30] <oerheks> not sure Qupzilla supports addons ... https://itsfoss.com/open-source-browsers-linux/
[14:31] <Sven_vB> looks like niko1990's error is "mmc0: Tuning timeout, falling back to fixed sampling clock¶ [ 9382.538455] mmcblk0: error -84 sending status command, retrying"
[14:32] <Sven_vB> niko1990, do you have other MMCs you could test with, to assert it's not an electrical problem?
[14:34] <oerheks> he claimed it works on a windows machine..
[14:34] <oerheks> i wonder if it is just bad blocks, or the need of exfat utils..
[14:35] <Sven_vB> niko1990, also have a look in /dev/disk/by-id/ , is there something that sounds like your MMC? you can censor the serial number if it shows up
[14:35] <Sven_vB> oerheks, if the windows machine is another device, the linux machine may still have a broken wire.
[14:36] <enrio> one more thing , is possible to install ubuntu in logical partition of windows?
[14:36] <Sven_vB> enrio, depends on the file system of that partition
[14:37] <Sven_vB> enrio, if it supports big files, you can make a big file and use that as a virtual disk, then install there. it's a bit complicated though.
[14:37] <enrio> is there light ubuntu , which consumes less memory , my main purpose of ubuntu is for work,education related things , work,education related software
[14:38] <Sven_vB> enrio, you could start with the Ubuntu Mini iso then install just the stuff you need. that saves RAM waste.
[14:38] <Sven_vB> enrio, you can also try Lubuntu or Xubuntu
[14:39] <tomreyn> enrio: you can run a (headless) server with just 500 or 750 MB RAM.
[14:40] <tomreyn> if you like a graphical interface then you'll want at least an extra gigabyte of ram
[14:41] <tomreyn> the minimal recommendation for default ubuntu is 4 GB RAM.
[14:41]  * Sven_vB runs 32bit Ubuntus on netbooks with just 1 GB RAM total. it works for running VLC and epiphany-browser.
[14:41] <tomreyn> (ubuntu desktop, that is)
[14:42] <Sven_vB> btw, will my RAM use double once I upgrade to 64bit?
[14:43] <Sven_vB> I mean the parts occupied by program instructions
[14:44] <tomreyn> https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2008/vortraege/shortpaper/64bitLinux_CLT08.pdf
[14:46] <Sven_vB> ^-- "Myth and facts about 64-bit Linux" / thanks!
[14:46] <enrio> i'm using 2GB ram
[14:48] <enrio> can change GUI to something else like XFCE
[14:49] <enrio> how much frequent should i take update after the switch to ubuntu
[14:49] <Sven_vB> enrio, yes, just install it and then uninstall the other DE. you might want to do that from a text console. ;)
[14:49] <Sven_vB> enrio, daily to weekly
[14:50] <oerheks> if we say *never* update, what would you do?
[14:50] <enrio> happy :) oerheks
[14:50] <oerheks> ubuntu checks daily, and after boot.
[14:50] <Sven_vB> enrio, usually you only need to update the day before someone will hack you ;)
[14:51] <tomreyn> enrio: while you can install other graphical desktops easily on ubuntu, it doesn't remove the others packages, and doing so is not easy. also, there have been occasions in the past where combining multiple desktop environments on one installation caused side effects.
[14:51] <oerheks> Spectre and Meltdown – many of the mitigations for those attacks are unavailable to 32-bit systems.
[14:52] <Sven_vB> good thing my netbooks are too weak for usual websites anyway
[14:55] <niko1990> Sven_vB: The cards are working on windows without any problem... A different 4GB SDHC U1 card is working fine on the ubuntu...
[14:55] <enrio> is there ubuntu beginner place?
[14:56] <enrio> where i can ask question while installing - experimenting?
[14:56] <niko1990> Sven_vB: i formated two of the cards on the windows machine from exfat to ntfs, still not working... i installed the exfat tools on ubuntu, still not working...
[14:56] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, so do I interpret your myths PDF correctly that I will need about double RAM if I use all-64-bit software, and so to save RAM I should try and downgrade as much of my applications to their 32-bit versions?
[14:57] <Sven_vB> niko1990, when you say they work in Windows, is that on the same computer with same card reader?
[14:58] <niko1990> Sven_vB: It on exact the same model, but different machine
[14:58] <Sven_vB> niko1990, please test. it would be too unlucky if a wire is broken inside.
[14:59] <oerheks> if an 4 gb card works, it is not wiring
[14:59] <niko1990> Sven_vB: and this is the output of the disk-by-id: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  13 Okt 27 15:53 mmc-SN64G_0x3a034971 -> ../../mmcblk0
[14:59] <Sven_vB> oerheks, they might have different power requirements
[14:59] <oerheks> still wonder if it is just bad blocks, or the need of exfat utils..
[15:00] <oerheks> meh, i do not believe it is broken
[15:00] <enrio> how easy its to move from one LTS version to other LTS version in ubuntu?
[15:00] <Sven_vB> I don't either, but why believe when you can know
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> enrio: we dont really take polls here
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> enrio: join #ubuntu-discuss if you want to chitchat about ubuntu
[15:01] <Sven_vB> niko1990, was that by-id entry the only one that sounded like your card? none with "-part" in it?
[15:01] <oerheks> niko1990,  sudo apt install exfat-fuse exfat-utils and insert the card again
[15:01] <niko1990> Sven_vB: How do you want me to test it? Like i wrote, i tried it with a different 4GB card on the ubuntu machine, and this one works fine... Is there a  different way of testing it?
[15:01] <Sven_vB> enrio, if you have local console access, it's easy.
[15:01] <Sven_vB> …to upgrade
[15:01] <niko1990> oerheks: I already tried, not working :(
[15:02] <oerheks> oke, then the cardreaders/machines are not identical
[15:02] <niko1990> Sven_vB: yes, that was the only one
[15:02] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: this is not my pdf, it's from two AMD employees, from 2008. i don't share your interpretatio, you will most likely need more RAM to run the 'same' applications with the same workload. but they will work a lot faster, too. i can only recommend to move away from 32-bit kernels and userspace in 2019 - 32-bit gets both less focus and love now and benefits from fewer hardening features than all current 64-bit platforms.
[15:02] <oerheks> some cheap cardreaders go up to 32 gb
[15:03] <Sven_vB> niko1990, ah sorry I didn't think it through, you'd need a windows on the Ubuntu machine which is probably too cumbersome. so let's go the easier way first, try if gparted can see the card and make a partition on it.
[15:04] <niko1990> oerheks: Its a 1200 € Lenovo buissines-class Laptop, and I bought both at the same time from direkt lenovo... So I would guess the chances are really high that this are the same ?
[15:04] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, thanks!
[15:04] <Sven_vB> looks like I have to upgrade RAM then
[15:05] <niko1990> Sven_vB: no with gparted it gives me nonstop the error: "Input/output error during read on /dev/mmcblk0"
[15:05] <Ilgaz> In x86 World, 64bit should be chosen not just because of 3GB+ situation, CPU gets extra features in 64bit mode. So even on a 2GB machine, install 64bit if you can
[15:06] <niko1990> Sven_vB: with the 4GB card it shows up in gparded...
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> !who | Ilgaz
[15:06] <niko1990> Sven_vB: and this is the output of disks-by-id with the 4GB card:
[15:06] <niko1990> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  13 Okt 27 15:53 mmc-SN64G_0x3a034971 -> ../../mmcblk0
[15:06] <niko1990> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  15 Okt 27 16:05 mmc-SD4GB_0x00063b5e-part1 -> ../../mmcblk0p1
[15:07] <Sven_vB> niko1990, looking good for the 4GB card. I do suspect a hardware problem now.
[15:08] <niko1990> Sven_vB: ok... then i'm going to test it now on the windows machine with a ubuntu live version... (this should work, right?)
[15:08] <Sven_vB> niko1990, maybe can you get a mini Windows on a USB thumb drive? I think there was something like WinPE
[15:08] <Sven_vB> oh good idea! yes that should work
[15:09] <niko1990> Sven_vB: ok, I'm going to test that with the linux live. I'm going to write more infos in a couple of minutes...
[15:09] <Sven_vB> good luck!
[15:09] <Ilgaz> anyone know how to restart ubuntu dock? it seems confused
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: confused how?
[15:10] <Ilgaz> Clicking on icons doesn't do anything
[15:10] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: sorry, should mention nick
[15:10] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: I suspect it is wayland
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: on wich ubuntu version please?
[15:11] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: 19.10
[15:11] <tomreyn> Ilgaz: if you're referring to the default ubuntu 18.04+ gnome-shell desktop on Xorg press Alt-F2, type 'r', press Enter
[15:11] <tomreyn> Ilgaz: and review your gnome-shell-extensions, since badly maintained one can easily break the desktop
[15:11] <Ilgaz> tomreyn: aha restart not available because of wayland
[15:11] <tomreyn> any one.
[15:12] <Ilgaz> tomreyn: yes I know, didn't install any yet
[15:12] <tomreyn> wayland also doesn't work too well generally, yet
[15:12] <tomreyn> which is why xorg is still the default
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: wich graphics card are you using?
[15:12] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: Intel "hd5500"
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> ok let me go test that holdon
[15:14] <Ilgaz> tomreyn: strange that Firefox seems to have fixed all of their issues with wayland, even the stable version
[15:14] <Sven_vB> Ilgaz, sometimes when clicks don't do the right thing, one of the modifier keys is stuck, or at least the target application thinks they are. if you think that could be, press and release all of them one by one.
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: wich icons dont work?
[15:15] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: everything, strange thing really
[15:15] <Ilgaz> Sven_vB: I tried all keys,thank you
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: seems like working & smooth here on wayland
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: on intel 620 graphics
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: did you try a reboot yet?
[15:16] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: I have chosen wayland since it seems to perform way faster on my Intel integrated graphics. I can't reboot yet since I am uploading photos to "icloud", I will once they finish
[15:16] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: If I file bug report, is this "ubuntu-dock" ?
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: i think this needs a few tests first before you file a bug
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: the package is gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock
[15:19] <Ilgaz> oh OK saving the name, no I will report if I ever see this happening again, e.g. reproducable
[15:19] <pragmaticenigma> Ilgaz: If you file a bug prior to rebooting, that is the first thing they will ask you to do. If the issue is resolved by a reboot, then the issue is not likely a bug for the dock, but something else. Most likely an application that is not working well with wayland
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: reboot try, other user try, previous kernel test, are things you could consider first
[15:20] <Ilgaz> pragmaticenigma: OK, I will reboot first and see if it happens again. Well, if I enable wayland, it is my duty to report things
[15:22] <pragmaticenigma> Ilgaz: That is correct, however, wayland is still considered experimental and many applications do not work well with it. Firefox is a bad example, as they mix in a lot of their own shims to handle deficiencies of the environments it is installed to. Firefox could very well be leveraging Xorg for rendering as that is an option within wayland
[15:23] <Ilgaz> pragmaticenigma: yes I know, it isn't a "true" wayland app but they have progressed a lot. Thanks for your support
[15:30] <niko1990> Sven_vB: ok, i'm back, tried it now on the windows machine with a ubuntu 18.04 live stick, exactly the same problems... and gparted is showing the same errors... so it must be now something with ubuntu and this type of cards
[15:31] <oerheks> or bad filesystem, check it in windows?
[15:32] <niko1990> oerheks: the original filesystem is exfat, and 2 of the cards i formated in windows to ntfs, they act all the same... :(
[15:36] <Sven_vB> oerheks, I think if there's no partition being found in /dev/disk/by-id/, it shouldn't be a file system problem. except the entire disk would be formatted with a filesystem instead of a partition table, but in that case gparted should be able to fix it.
[15:36] <oerheks> so you do not want to perform a check on windows, then you are stuck.
[15:38] <niko1990> oerheks: I would do every type of check, if it helps :) I'm just running out of ideas. What would you check on the windows machine?
[15:39] <Sven_vB> maybe the reader needs confirmation from the OS that the OS is capable of using big MMCs? then that acpi override might help
[15:41] <Sven_vB> niko1990, the most thorough check you could do on windows is format the MMC to one big FAT32 partition, then run f3write and f3read on it. that will test the hardware and as a side effect result in a well-known state of the file system.
[15:41] <Sven_vB> err, "h2testw" is the windows version of f3
[15:42] <niko1990> Sven_vB: Ok, I'm going to do that, thank you both for all your help btw :)
[16:02] <TJ-> niko1990: the earlier kernel log indicates there's a driver problem, possibly due to not having been 'taught' about the exact MMC/SDHC controller in that laptop yet
[16:09] <Manouchehri> How can I disable the annoying on screen keyboard popping up every time I use my touch screen?
[16:10] <ubuking> What OS do you  using??
[16:10] <Manouchehri> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1723857
[16:12] <enrio> why android dev needs vast memory? is there simplified resources / framework to do so?
[16:12] <Manouchehri> enrio: Because Android Studio is Java based? :p
[16:12] <FaTaL_GG> Hi all, Im running ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS, I've been running 16.04 and on both versions I have a very annoying issue that many (if not every) time I reboot, the interfaces dont all come back up properly, specifically, the dhcp server never gets an ip from the modem. If I "sudo ifup -a" it works
[16:12] <FaTaL_GG> I constantly get a "failed to bring up br0" but its got to be a false error, because br0 works fine
[16:13] <FaTaL_GG> I've read numerous posts online others have had the same issue for years... it appears to be a race condition.... does this make sense?
[16:14] <FaTaL_GG> because I would prefer to configure networks, interfaces, or dhcp, to actually check/wait on expected activities to complete instead of scripting a runlevel timer action.....
[16:14] <FaTaL_GG> that seems more of a hack approach
[16:19] <scubasteve> Hello
[16:19] <scubasteve> Anyone here have experience using netplan?
[16:21] <scubasteve> trying to add some vlan interfaces to my bridge and for some reason it's not adding them
[16:25] <elias_a> What is the logic of showing recently used programs on 18.04 desktop? I use both gedit and terminal in every single session but they are not shown as icons.
[16:25] <scubasteve> nvm I figured it out!
[16:26] <scubasteve> Had to to with the order I removed the old config and ran netplan --apply
[16:26] <kahdgarxi> Hello everyone. I am having a weird issue since I upgraded to Ubuntu 19.10. last night. I updated last night at ubuntu's prompting. About halfway through the update, my X Windows session went away. I logged in with a TTY to try to figure out what was going on couldn't see anything actively working based on top, tried a reboot, and ubuntu stopped me
[16:26] <kahdgarxi> based on the upgrade still running. So I left it overnight in case it was still doing something in the background (there was a dpkg process running). This morning nothing had changed, so I bypassed the inhibition from the update installer and rebooted the machine. The GRUB config for the new kernel was broken, so I had to boot up using the old
[16:26] <kahdgarxi> kernel. On the old kernel the system worked fine. I was able to run the configuration scripts on all the pending package updates, ran apt install -f, apt update, apt upgrade, and everything appeared to be up to date. I rebooted to try out the new kernel again, and now boots but I'm having a really weird issue. I recorded a video with what I'm
[16:26] <kahdgarxi> seeing here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L7XXA151lA
[16:27] <kahdgarxi> Basically when I lot in on boot up, looks like it's starting a second X session on tty2, but when I go to tty2 I get a normal terminal screen like you would expect for a tty not running X, but if I move my mouse (connected to my windows 10 machine and forwarded to the ubuntu machine via synergy) it "reveals" the x windows session, which is running
[16:27] <kahdgarxi> at very log resolution on only one of my two monitors.
[16:27] <kahdgarxi> The keyboard goes to the tty terminal. Although I can interact with the X session using both the keyboard and mouse through synergy.
[16:27] <kahdgarxi> s/lot/log
[16:28] <ubuking> what DE?
[16:30] <kahdgarxi> GNOME. I haven't change much of anything from ubuntu's default configuration except to do upgrade to 1910
[16:31] <ioria> kahdgarxi, upgrading from what release, 19.04 ?
[16:31] <kahdgarxi> Yes.
[16:32] <ioria> kahdgarxi, at first glance, i'd say a graphic driver issue: what you have ? nvidia ?
[16:32] <kahdgarxi> Yes, nvidia.
[16:32] <ioria> kahdgarxi, dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:33] <ioria> paste thenurl here, please
[16:33] <kahdgarxi> https://termbin.com/n2fb
[16:33] <kahdgarxi> That is a really cool tool.
[16:34] <ioria> kahdgarxi, i usually don't suggest multiple installs of nvidia; you have  418 and 430
[16:35] <tomreyn> scubasteve: glad you solved it. as a side note: ubuntu server questions are best placed in #ubuntu-server
[16:36] <ioria> kahdgarxi, what video card exactly ? lspci -nnk |  nc termbin.com 9999
[16:36] <kahdgarxi> GTX 1070
[16:37] <tomreyn> elias_a: so you seem to have identified it: only software started from the desktop environment (via .desktop files specifically) is listed in the (desktops) list of recently run applications.
[16:38] <kahdgarxi> https://termbin.com/fwxq
[16:38] <ioria> kahdgarxi, try to boot with the 'nomodeset' parameter , yo uknow how ?
[16:39] <kahdgarxi> I think so, give me a second.
[16:39] <ioria> kahdgarxi,  https://www.dell.com/support/article/it/it/itbsdt1/sln306327/manual-nomodeset-kernal-boot-line-option-for-linux-booting?lang=en
[16:40] <kahdgarxi> removing the second copy of the nvidia drivers fixed it
[16:40] <kahdgarxi> Thank you very much for the help!
[16:41] <ioria> kahdgarxi,  good job mate
[16:51] <elias_a> tomreyn: I see. So starting using dash is not "enough"?
[17:10] <FaTaL_GG> so can anyone help me with the dhcp/bridged interfaces issue?
[17:16] <oerheks> FaTaL_GG, pstebin your .yaml and tell the issue you have?
[17:20] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi
[17:20] <FaTaL_GG> yaml?
[17:21] <aleksandrdvorkin> i have a problem a camera is not working in Skype its a built it Macbook 20017 system Ubuntu 19-10 on Virtual box
[17:21] <aleksandrdvorkin> do i need to recompile kernel or complile skype from source
[17:22] <FaTaL_GG> sorry, I should have said, oerheks: yanl?not sure what file that is
[17:24] <oerheks> FaTaL_GG, not using netplan then?
[17:24] <oerheks> !netplan
[17:24] <oerheks> how did you setup bridged interfaces then?
[17:27] <FaTaL_GG> by hand in /network/interfaces
[17:28] <FaTaL_GG> oerheks, and no, not using netplan, not using gui at all but it is installed
[17:28] <FaTaL_GG> (the gnome, not the netplan)   :)
[17:28] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG:  best to show us the interfaces file so we can understand
[17:28] <FaTaL_GG> okie
[17:32] <niko1990> TJ-: Sven_vB oerheks: I finally found out why it was not working... 8-) It is a kernel bug that got reported in 2015 (!) (https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109231)... And since then, this could not be fixed *argh* ... The workaround that worked for me now is sudo rmmod sdhci sdhci_pci && sudo modprobe sdhci debug_quirks2="0x80000000" && sudo modprobe sdhci_pci
[17:33] <FaTaL_GG> TJ- & oerheks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PKMSTWtxPs/
[17:33] <oerheks> oh? good find!
[17:33] <FaTaL_GG> I tried that timer trick, didnt work
[17:36] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG:  so, let's be clear.... you have here a 'server' that should be running a DHCP server on br0 to serve clients on those links with leases?
[17:37] <FaTaL_GG> no
[17:37] <FaTaL_GG> well.... yes
[17:37] <oerheks> that interfaces file doe snot look like ubuntu ?
[17:38] <ioria> FaTaL_GG, address and gateway ... the same ip ?
[17:38]  * TJ- loves clear answers :)
[17:38] <FaTaL_GG> Its running as a router
[17:38] <FaTaL_GG> one interface is forward facing
[17:38] <FaTaL_GG> the br0 is "everything else" in the LAN
[17:39] <FaTaL_GG> oerheks, its ubuntu's?
[17:39] <FaTaL_GG> but modified/cleaned up
[17:39] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG: yes, enp0s31f8 is on the 'WAN' side, and br0 on the 'LAN'
[17:39] <FaTaL_GG> 6
[17:39] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG: and presumably you want a DHCP server to listen on br0 (LAN)  and serve leases to clients?
[17:39] <FaTaL_GG> enp0s31f6
[17:40] <TJ-> haha, my typo, stray finger!
[17:40] <FaTaL_GG> TJ-, the br0 works
[17:40] <FaTaL_GG> when I reboot, I can putty in via my machine no problem
[17:40] <FaTaL_GG> and in the dhcp config file, it gives my machine a psuedo static address via mac assignment
[17:40] <FaTaL_GG> that works
[17:40] <FaTaL_GG> but the forward facing does not
[17:41] <FaTaL_GG> so the enp0s31f6 never gets teh public IP from the modem
[17:41] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG:  earlier you said "...specifically, the dhcp server never gets an ip from the modem ..."
[17:41] <FaTaL_GG> unless I "ifup -a" (basically enp0s31f6)
[17:41] <TJ-> so you mean the DHCP *client* doesn't get an IP address lease ?
[17:41] <FaTaL_GG> I do TJ I do
[17:42] <FaTaL_GG> indeed Imispoke, I know better
[17:42] <TJ-> aha! no wonder I got confused :)
[17:42] <FaTaL_GG> wow that was a dumb mis-speak on my part
[17:42] <ioria> FaTaL_GG, can you check  this  ? :  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FBTTMsZqf8/
[17:43] <FaTaL_GG> I've been asking in channel just copyng/pasting hoping someone would offer some help not even realizing the typo
[17:43] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG: what dhcp client are you using ?
[17:44] <FaTaL_GG> TJ-,dhclient
[17:44] <aleksandrdvorkin> camera on Macbook 2017 ubuntu 19-10 on Virtual Box in Skype is not working
[17:45] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG: I suspect it's that pre-up condition; not doing what you think it does
[17:45] <FaTaL_GG> TJ-, I added that because it does this, I can remove/comment it out, but the same issue exists
[17:45] <oerheks> aleksandrdvorkin, if you install and start cheese, does it work?
[17:45] <aleksandrdvorkin> do i need to recompile kernel for the built in Macbook 2017 to work on Ubuntu 19-10 on virtual box
[17:45] <oerheks> !info cheese
[17:46] <aleksandrdvorkin> oerheks no Sir
[17:46] <FaTaL_GG> I got that line from a google searce someone had this issue on ubuntu 14
[17:46] <oerheks> aleksandrdvorkin, then no, macbook is known for these issues
[17:46] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG:  OK ... the reason I mention it is this: I vaguely recall any command is limited in how long it can run for, and that particular command could potentially run forever in a loop if that interface never appears
[17:46] <aleksandrdvorkin> oerheks will compliling Skype from source and installing it fix the problem
[17:47] <aleksandrdvorkin> or recompiling the kernel
[17:47] <FaTaL_GG> ioria: are you suggesting I try that one (is that what you mean by check it?) and just an fyi, I dont have networkmanager installed.... I'll triple check that it isnt
[17:47] <oerheks> there is no skype source, just the binairy blob in the skype snap
[17:47] <aleksandrdvorkin> ok and what about recompilling kernel
[17:47] <oerheks> as there is no driver, recompiling kernel is useless?
[17:48] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG:  but... I suspect the issue here is more to do with the time it takes after boot for that interface to be ready... is there something going on externally this host has to wait for, as in the connected router/DHCP server becoming ready?
[17:48] <aleksandrdvorkin> is there any future plan to make built in camera on Macbook 2017 and Ubuntu work in skype
[17:48] <FaTaL_GG> TJ-, I dont know if that would be a bad thing lol, because that interface has to appear for this machine to do its job, but fair enough. it was a hack someone revealed on stackexchange, and I figured I'd try it
[17:49] <ioria> FaTaL_GG, yes, why in your interfaces file , enp0s31f6  is not in  bridge_ports ?
[17:49] <FaTaL_GG> TJ-, it could be.... the PRIMARY issue I have is that we have power outages. I mean, its not COMMON, but "ship" happens
[17:50] <FaTaL_GG> and when I'm not home, when that happens, no one is getting back online until it gets an IP
[17:50] <FaTaL_GG> so I actually WANT that interface to always look for an ip
[17:50] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG:  on the face of it, if the DCHP server on the router connected to that interface is already listening when this host brings up enp0s31f6, then this host will start "dhclient enp0s31f6" and it should receive a lease... I'd first want to watch the dhclient logging to see if the problem is leases being refused, or packets not receiving a reply at all from the DHCP server
[17:51] <FaTaL_GG> what log file should I look at?
[17:51] <gregf> I messed up my postgresql config so I did rm -rf /etc/postgresql then did apt purge postgresql postgresql-common then reinstalled them but its not generating the default configs again
[17:51] <gregf> what can I do to fix this?
[17:52] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG: good question; I presume ifupdown is being controlled via systemd, and I seem to recall the unit name is networking.service so start off by trying to verify that with "systemctl list-units | grep network"
[17:53] <TJ-> gregf: I think you'll find 'postgresql' is only a parent package that depends on the actual packages (which are versioned) that install those files
[17:53] <gregf> TJ-: as I said i purged both and reinstalled both so what did i do wrong?
[17:53] <FaTaL_GG> TJ-, what am I looking for in that result?
[17:54] <tomreyn> gregf: apt search --installed postgresql
[17:54] <TJ-> gregf:  read what I said ... I don't think either of those packages contain the config files
[17:54] <gregf> oh
[17:54] <gregf> sorry miss read
[17:54] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG:  any unit file with 'network' in is name so we can find out which one is used to control ifupdown (the package that reads /etc/network/interfaces)
[17:55] <tomreyn> gregf: sory, i meant: apt list --installed postgresql
[17:55] <TJ-> gregf:  here on 18.04 postgresql -> Depends: postgresql-10
[17:56] <tomreyn> gregf: and i failed agina.   apt list --installed *postgresql*
[17:56] <gregf> needed to purge mostgresql-10
[17:56] <gregf> ty guys
[17:56] <gregf> gals
[17:56] <gregf> cover my basis
[17:59] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG: I see here the unit is "networking.service" so to view its logs "journalctl -b -u networking.service" should help
[17:59] <FaTaL_GG> TJ-, result was: networkd-dispatcher.service, network-online.target, network-pre.target, network.target
[17:59] <FaTaL_GG> of the previous command
[18:00] <FaTaL_GG> TJ-, that new command yields: -- No entries --
[18:01] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG: if networking.service wasn't listed then something else is starting/controlling it
[18:02] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG: if the system has been upgraded from 14.04 through 16.04 to 18.05 I'm wondering if there's some older Upstart-related legacy control going on
[18:02] <FaTaL_GG> it was 16.04
[18:02] <FaTaL_GG> this was never 14
[18:03] <FaTaL_GG> then upped to 18.04
[18:03] <TJ-> I cannot recall now if 16.04 switched to systemd or still had upstart
[18:03] <FaTaL_GG> I've never heard of upstart, but 16.04 has/had systemd
[18:05] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG:  the key thing is to try to find where dhclient output (logging) is going on if at alll, and as that program will be launched by ifupdown due to interfaces file, then I'd expect it to be in the log-file generated by the service controlling ifupdown. On 18.04 it ships with a systemd unit networking.service to do that - it sounds like your system isn't using it
[18:06] <scientes> I've got this usb flash drive and on one computer whenever i try to read from it i get errors and it remounts itsself
[18:06] <scientes> but only on this one new laptop
[18:06] <TJ-> FaTaL_GG: does "systemctl status networking.service" report good things such as "active (exited)" ?
[18:06] <TJ-> scientes:  USB 2 vs 3 issue? Have you tried using other USB ports?
[18:06] <scientes> lost sync page happens even in ro mode and in usb 2.0 mode
[18:06] <scientes> TJ-, i tried forcing usb 2 mode
[18:06] <scientes> buy maybe i used the wrong commands
[18:07] <scientes> happens in ro mode too
[18:07] <scientes> "lost sync page write"
[18:07] <TJ-> scientes: if there are USB 2 ports the usual workaround is to put it in those
[18:07] <scientes> only usb 3 ports
[18:08] <scientes> i can open a file once
[18:09] <FaTaL_GG> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/W4TDD7QyqM/
[18:09] <scientes> when when i try to open it again it fails
[18:12] <Sven_vB> on xenial, my xmodmap settings seem to be forgotton each time I reconnect my bluetooth headphones. I use them to re-assign the headphone buttons. how can I make them more permanent?
[18:14] <ahoo> hi! is there a way to set gnome to the default theme? like the one in debian.
[18:16] <tomreyn> gnome-tweaks lets you coonfigure the theme, but there are more deviations from upstream and from debians' gnome-shell (not just the theme).
[18:17] <FaTaL_GG> I'll reboot, see what happens
[18:22] <FaTaL_G> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ssWfQyfym4/
[18:22] <FaTaL_G> That has more info
[18:25] <FurretUber> Hi, I'm using the proposed kernel from HWE Edge and I noticed the GPU clock becomes limited to 100 MHz after suspension. What is the proper way to report a bug?
[18:25] <FaTaL_G> TJ-, so it looks like the br0 error might be stopping it from upping the interface, which is stupid because I up that interface FIRST... and the br0  ****IS**** working, even with the wireless on it
[18:29] <ThePatientWolf> hiya everyone
[18:34] <gobin> Hi. I have a problem with my lxc containers. Since I updated to Ubuntu 18.04 ... my container do no longer start ... and lxc-ls ... prints for each container ... "Failed to load config forFailed to load config for <containername>"
[18:36] <scientes> ugggh, flash drives that only work as fat32
[18:36] <gobin> gobin First "ubuntu.common.conf" was missing from /usr/share/lxc/ ... i fixed that with "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get install lxc-templates" ... so that massage is gone ...
[18:37] <scientes> how do i split a gz file into 4gb pieces?
[18:39] <gobin> NOW: I still get the messagelxc-start: neo4j: confile.c: parse_line: 2262 Unknown configuration key "lxc.rootfs"lxc-start: neo4j: parse.c: lxc_file_for_each_line_mmap: 142 Failed to parse config file "/var/lib/lxc/neo4j/config" at line "lxc.rootfs = /var/lib/lxc/neo4j/rootfs"Failed to load config for neo4jlxc-start: neo4j: tools/lxc_start.c: main:
[18:39] <gobin> 264 Failed to create lxc_container
[18:40] <pecorade> hi
[18:49] <gobin> Maybe some help on the LXC thing?
[18:50] <tomreyn> /join #ubuntu-server
[18:52] <gobin> #ubuntu-server
[18:55] <MannyLNJ> I have a problem. I am trying to do apt autoremove and it is failing. The failure starts with this error Failed to reload daemon: Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms)
[19:10] <ioria> MannyLNJ, can you paste the exact command and errors you got ?
[19:10] <MannyLNJ> ioria let me try to put it in a patebin
[19:11] <MannyLNJ> ioria, https://pastebin.com/AGJANKfF
[19:13] <ioria> MannyLNJ, apt-cache policy systemd
[19:13] <tomreyn> MannyLNJ: which ubuntu version is this, which kernel version?
[19:15] <MannyLNJ> tomreyn, I belieb I'm on 18.04 with 4.15.02-42 Generic, ioria le me open another poastebin, My sytsem is running slow now
[19:16] <tomreyn> MannyLNJ: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline})
[19:17] <tomreyn> apt-cache policy systemd 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:17] <MannyLNJ> ioria,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KBxqBRVNTX/ tomreyn https://termbin.com/cgxv
[19:18] <tomreyn> MannyLNJ: this kernel is soon going to have its first birthday. do you not install updates?
[19:18] <ioria> MannyLNJ, you're running an outdated kernel
[19:18] <MannyLNJ> tomreyn, I do install updates using apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[19:18] <tomreyn> do you also reboot?
[19:19] <ioria> MannyLNJ, nope, try  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade  (but you have broken pkgs)
[19:19] <MannyLNJ> ioria, I assume I have to fix the broken packages before I can do the upgrade?
[19:20] <ioria> MannyLNJ, yes, but i'd like to see what '  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade ' tells
[19:21] <MannyLNJ> ioria, running
[19:25] <MannyLNJ> ioria, it seem to be stuck on setting up udev. It shows 0% with the last message saying Failed to reload daemon: Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms)
[19:26] <ioria> MannyLNJ, do you have other users/sessions  logged in ?
[19:27] <MannyLNJ> ioria, Not to my knowledge. I am the only user
[19:27] <ioria> MannyLNJ, mmm, try open another terminal and reload systemd (sudo systemctl daemon-reexec)
[19:28] <makara1> help. I did a distro upgrade to 19.10 and now my computers borken
[19:29] <tomreyn> makara1: hi there. sorry to hear this, but we'll need more detaisl than "[it] is broken"
[19:29] <MannyLNJ> ioria, Ok. Meanwhile this is the full output of the other command https://pastebin.com/uAWVjxmz
[19:29] <tomreyn> !details > makara1
[19:29] <MannyLNJ> ioria, is the command to reload sudo reload systemd (sudo systemctl daemon-reexec)
[19:29] <makara1> After I login, the desktop icons come up, but no background pic, taskbars, etc. Can't open a terminal. Can't even open a TTY using ctrl+alt+F2 - however I can do this from the login screen
[19:30] <ioria> MannyLNJ, sudo systemctl daemon-reexec or simply  ' systemctl daemon-reexec' and insert password
[19:31] <MannyLNJ> ioria, systemctl daemon-reexec has not requested a password and just returned to a command prompt
[19:32] <makara1> also, first time I noticed the CPU was roaring. When I reset and open a TTY at the login screen, /usr/bin/rygel was churning, so I removed it
[19:32] <ioria> MannyLNJ,  ps -A | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:32] <MannyLNJ> ioria, https://termbin.com/5989s
[19:32] <SDr|hu> hello, any idea when https://www.php.net/archive/2019.php#2019-10-24-1   is going to land in ubuntu 18's apt?
[19:32] <tomreyn> makara1: so you 'Re using the default gnome-shell based desktop?
[19:33] <SDr|hu> or alternatively, if there's any apt source for installing right now? (context is https://nextcloud.com/blog/urgent-security-issue-in-nginx-php-fpm/ )
[19:33] <makara1> tomreyn: how can I tell?
[19:34] <tomreyn> makara1: are you able to copy and paste comands to the system?
[19:34] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   sudo systemctl daemon-reexec
[19:35] <makara1> tomreyn: no. I could open a folder from an icon on the desktop, but there's no taskbars or anything else. Just icons.
[19:35] <MannyLNJ> ioria, no output
[19:35] <tomreyn> makara1: okay, can you switch to a tty and run some commands there?
[19:35] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   again  apt full-upgrade
[19:36] <MannyLNJ> ioria, running. It is telling me 2 not fully installed or removed.
[19:36] <makara1> tomreyn: yes
[19:36] <tomreyn> makara1: lsb_release -ds
[19:36] <tomreyn> ...just to confirm you have 19.10 now
[19:36] <makara1> tomreyn: but only because this time I didn't login. I opened the TTY from the login screen
[19:37] <tomreyn> !tty | makara1
[19:37] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   dpkg -l | grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:37] <makara1> tomreyn: "Ubuntu 19.10"
[19:38] <tomreyn> makara1: does this output any W: or E: - warnings or errors?     sudo apt-get update
[19:39] <makara1> tomreyn: no
[19:39] <MannyLNJ> ioria https://termbin.com/g74c
[19:40] <MannyLNJ> ioria, and the update failed with the same errors
[19:40] <tomreyn> makara1: does this do anything?   sudo apt-get -f install
[19:41] <makara1> tomreyn:no
[19:42] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   apt-cache policy linux-generic | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:42] <tomreyn> makara1: does ths output anything to be installed, upgraded / removed?    sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:42] <MannyLNJ> ioria, https://termbin.com/osdi
[19:42] <tomreyn> makara1: if so, press 'n' and just tell me.
[19:42] <makara1> tomreyn:no
[19:43] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   sudo apt install  linux-generic | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:43] <MannyLNJ> ioria https://termbin.com/jdag
[19:43] <tomreyn> makara1: okay so apparently the system is fully upgraded (based on the apt sources it has configured). so the desktop not working properly can be due to something in your home directory.
[19:44] <makara1> there's lots of stuff in my home dir
[19:44] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   try to install it
[19:44] <MannyLNJ> ioria, just hit y? There is no display in my terminal
[19:45] <tomreyn> makara1: we'll add a second user account (you can remove this later from the graphical interface), so that you can continue working on the GUI:   sudo adduser --gecos '' makara2
[19:45] <tomreyn> makara1: make sure you remember the password you set there
[19:46] <tomreyn> be sure to set a strong password if this computer is accessible to others, locally, or remotely, e.g. through an ssh server
[19:46] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   ctrl-c, and run again  sudo apt install linux-generic  (then past the output)
[19:46] <makara1> tomreyn: I already have a second dummy user I created 2 weeks ago. Can I use that?
[19:46] <tomreyn> makara1: depends. did you try logging into it from the gui, yet?
[19:46] <tomreyn> and if so, did it work any better?
[19:47] <makara1> tomreyn: no, let me try that
[19:47] <tomreyn> ok
[19:49] <makara1> tomreyn: that worked
[19:51] <makara1> but tell this, you said the TTY was accessible by F3-F6, and that F2 would take me back to the GUI
[19:51] <makara1> but I got to a TTY using F2
[19:52] <makara1> and when I was logged in as either user I couldn't access any TTY
[19:52] <tomreyn> makara1: usually, that's so, after login. it can differ based on which graphics hardware/driver/modesetting and graphical desktop you use.
[19:53] <tomreyn> makara1: the login manager would usually run on tty1
[19:53] <tomreyn> that's on ubuntu 18.04+
[19:53] <MannyLNJ> ioria, still running
[19:53] <ioria> ok
[19:54] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   btw, why are using lightdm instead of gdm3 ?
[19:54] <tomreyn> makara1: so now that you're logged in, you can clean some files from your 'normal' home directory up, maybe this will make it possible to login again.
[19:55] <tomreyn> !xauthority | makara1
[19:55] <MannyLNJ> ioria, I thought lightdm was less resource intensive
[19:55] <MannyLNJ> ioria, it has completed
[19:55] <ioria> MannyLNJ,  any errors ?
[19:56] <MannyLNJ> ioria, it did report Errors were encountered while processing: for udev and bluez
[19:56] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   dpkg -l | grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:57] <MannyLNJ> https://termbin.com/9cqu
[19:57] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   sudo apt full-upgrade | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:58] <MannyLNJ> https://termbin.com/f6ez
[19:58] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   kill it and  run  sudo apt install -f
[20:03] <MannyLNJ> ioria, https://pastebin.com/dGd2hq3s
[20:05] <oerheks> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:05] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/udev.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/udev.postinst.backup
[20:05] <MannyLNJ> ioria, done
[20:06] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   again  sudo apt-get install -f
[20:08] <tomreyn> i think the issue there is that systemd was updated but did not reload properly at some point, and will have since logged errors to the system log. it may be neccessary to review those logs (if that's not happened, yet, i haven't fully followed the chat)
[20:08] <makara1> tomreyn: i had unity installed
[20:08] <makara1> can I still use it, or is it just broken in 19.10
[20:09] <ioria> tomreyn, that systemd error is weird
[20:10] <tomreyn> makara1: i could not tell. canonical stopped developing it and it became a community maintained project between ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04, but i do not know what its state is now. ubuntu-unity-desktop is apparently still installable. is it installed on your system?
[20:11] <tomreyn> ioria: yes, i hadn't seen this before, too. it's apparently what it reports when it fails to reload.  had you checked that "systemctl --version" reports the proper current version?
[20:12] <ioria> tomreyn, yep, even reloaded it
[20:12] <tomreyn> i also read this which is old and may no longer be relevant, but discusses the same message and possible causes https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=850074
[20:12] <MannyLNJ> ioria, I feel like we are getting closer. Now only bluez has an error https://pastebin.com/aKQ6Z9WP
[20:13] <tomreyn> but i don't really have a solution either.
[20:13] <makara1> tomreyn: I had it installed, I did a dist-upgrade, it broke, the option to select it was still there, but now that I ask to install it it wants to add a whole bunch of packages. So I don't know how to answer that. I'm installing it anyway
[20:13] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/bluez.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/bluez.postinst.backup
[20:14] <MannyLNJ> ioria, ok
[20:14] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   again  sudo apt-get install -f
[20:14] <tomreyn> makara1: yes, you should, it may have different dependencies on your current ubuntu version than on the last one, and this can be why your desktop is not usable
[20:15] <makara1> tomreyn: its asking me to choose gdm3 or lightdm
[20:15] <MannyLNJ> ioria, failed new error is W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (0 vs 4). Affected packages: bluez:amd64
[20:15] <jeloumeXD> people
[20:15] <tomreyn> makara1: either *should* work, the default with gnome-shell is gdm, but i don't recall what unity uses. what were you using?
[20:16] <jeloumeXD> how can I create a partition as a Storage to share files between multiple distro?
[20:16] <makara1> tomreyn: i don't know. I'll just go with gdm3. If it breaks it breaks
[20:16] <tomreyn> makara1:i think on 16.04, unity was using lightdm, but if you remember what it was using before yuo upgraded, i'd suggest you install that.
[20:16] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   dpkg -l | grep bluez | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:16] <tomreyn> makara1: also a good approach ;)
[20:17] <jeloumeXD> I create a ext4 partition
[20:17] <jeloumeXD> what should I do next?
[20:17] <jeloumeXD> next step
[20:17] <MannyLNJ> https://termbin.com/d9r7
[20:17] <tomreyn> jeloumeXD: what do you want to share it with?
[20:18] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   we are good (that it's just a warning)
[20:18] <jeloumeXD> files as pictures or virtualbox
[20:18] <jeloumeXD> those kind of things
[20:18] <tomreyn> jeloumeXD: please re-read
[20:18] <MannyLNJ> ioria, so now the full update?
[20:18] <jeloumeXD> what?
[20:18] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:18] <ioria> should be '0'
[20:19] <tomreyn> jeloumeXD: what's the other system that'll access this storage?
[20:19] <MannyLNJ> ioria, nothing to be done https://termbin.com/qdy3
[20:19] <jeloumeXD> Oh, the system that will access to this storage is Linux
[20:20] <ioria> MannyLNJ,  yep, should be ok....
[20:20] <jeloumeXD> is another distro
[20:20] <ioria> MannyLNJ,  reboot on the new kernel
[20:20] <tomreyn> jeloumeXD: another linux distribution, ok. so let's hope the linux version there is new enough to handle ext4 (it probably is).
[20:21] <jeloumeXD> I hope, they are ArchLinux and Manjaro
[20:21] <tomreyn> jeloumeXD: do you use a graphical desktop environment? if so, does it have a file browser? if so, can you access the file system using it?
[20:21] <jeloumeXD> yep I installed gnome in arch and kde plasma on manjaro
[20:22] <jeloumeXD> as desktop
[20:22] <tomreyn> i mean on ubuntu, we can only support you at accesing this storage on ubuntu
[20:22] <jeloumeXD> oh :(
[20:22] <tomreyn> about the others you'll have to check on the other distros' support channels
[20:22] <jeloumeXD> but there is any way to do it as general?
[20:22] <tomreyn> it should work, though
[20:23] <tomreyn> well you work on the terminal, then it's probably the same or very similar commands for all distros
[20:23] <tomreyn> *you can
[20:24] <jeloumeXD> so so because I'm learning and there're so many things that I don't know ;(
[20:24] <jeloumeXD> how can I learn these things?
[20:24] <jeloumeXD> some time I think that I know nothing u.u
[20:24] <tomreyn> with time, diligence, reading, breaking and fixing
[20:25] <tomreyn> this feeling is absolutely normal, sdon't worry. ;)
[20:25] <tomreyn> just take one step after the other.
[20:25] <jeloumeXD> :D thx
[20:25] <tomreyn> so do you want to use this shared storage on ubuntu using the temrinal or a graphical desktop?
[20:26] <jeloumeXD> I'd like to do it using the terminal
[20:26] <tomreyn> if the latter then: which graphical desktop environment do you have there? does it have a file browser? if so, can you access the file system using it?
[20:26] <tomreyn> oh terminal, ok
[20:27] <jeloumeXD> but it could be on the graphical desktop
[20:27] <jeloumeXD> xd
[20:27] <tomreyn> there are two ways to mount file systems. there is one which restricted users can use, and a way that the system administrator can use
[20:28] <jeloumeXD> which one is better?
[20:28] <jeloumeXD> which one do you recommend me?
[20:28] <tomreyn> if you want to be able to switch between accessing on the terminal and graphical desktop / file browser  then you should use gio-mount
[20:28] <tomreyn> to see its options:  gio help mount
[20:29] <jeloumeXD> is it a tool?
[20:29] <tomreyn> that's a software.
[20:30] <jeloumeXD> ahh ok I'll check it
[20:30] <jeloumeXD> thx
[20:30] <tomreyn> it's part of the libglib2.0-bin package
[20:31] <MannyLNJ> ioria, rebooting
[20:36] <tomreyn> jeloumeXD: udiskctl is nother option, in case it's easier than gio
[20:36] <jeloumeXD> oh
[20:37] <jeloumeXD> is related with systemctl? because of the word ctl that has at the end?
[20:38] <tomreyn> sorry, typo, it's   udisksctl
[20:38] <tomreyn> it's not part of systemd
[20:39] <jeloumeXD> mm
[20:41] <tomreyn> but you could say it's related, yes. or udisks2/udisksd (which it is part of) is
[20:49] <ScottyK> tomreyn - big thanks for the advice about switching to AHCI, it worked! got Ubuntu installed with no problems. Thanks for the intel!
[20:53] <tomreyn> ScottyK: i'm more into amd than into intel, but you're welcome.
[20:54] <tomreyn> glad it worked out.
[21:09] <hermonethic> hello, this is the place for ask for help with ubuntu installation?
[21:10] <tonyt> yes
[21:13] <hermonethic> I tried to install ubuntu 19.10 on my asus laptop with Nvidia mx150 video card. when I insert the live usb, after the grub manu I get black screen so I used the nomodeset option to install the system, but after reboot again I get black screen even when I try to use nomodeset again. is this similar for someone?
[21:14] <kadiro> hermonethic> remove quiet splash and see what was the last fail/error
[21:14] <eelstrebor> i had a similar problem with an HP Pavilion
[21:15] <eelstrebor> i had to use nomodeset and got a desktop but i don't remember what i did but it had something to do with drivers
[21:15] <kadiro> eelstrebor> yeah in most cases
[21:16] <hermonethic> kadiro how can I do this ? edit the Linux line in the grub menu?
[21:16] <kadiro> hermonethic> yes use e to edit find the suiet splash, remove it, boot with ctrl+x or F10
[21:17] <kadiro> s/suiet/*quiet
[21:17] <hermonethic> ok thank you, I will try it now
[21:18] <eelstrebor> if memory serves me correct if you get a boot menu you can temporarily use nomodeset by editing the boot process
[21:19] <kadiro> correct in most cases
[21:19] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi
[21:19] <hermonethic> yes i tried it but after the installation the nomodeset not works anymore
[21:19] <aleksandrdvorkin> does anyone know what is the cmake command for building VLC from source
[21:20] <tomreyn> !recovery | hermonethic
[21:20] <tomreyn> aleksandrdvorkin: have you tried readint ehir documentation, and asking in their irc channel?
[21:20] <tomreyn> *reading their
[21:21] <tomreyn> aleksandrdvorkin: you may also want to read up on how you can easily install, modify and build source packages in ubuntu
[21:25] <HenryCH> what should I be using for service management in ubuntu 18+? when googling for something i see both systemctl and service, should i be using just one of those?
[21:32] <hermonethic> hello again, I just tried to delete the quiet splash from the grub menu and again get black screen with no text at all so I cant tell what is the fail
[21:32] <tomreyn> HenryCH: systemctl (of systemd). "service" is a wrapper around init systems, has been working across many ubuntu releases, but it's better to be specific
[21:32] <tomreyn> !recovery | hermonethic
[21:32] <tomreyn> hermonethic: If your system fails to boot normally, it may be useful to boot it into recovery mode. For instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[21:35] <hermonethic> tomreyn I can go to recovery mode, but I don't know how to fix the problem I have
[21:36] <hermonethic> the installation is fresh, In my opinion the problem is the video card (Nvidia mx150), and I don't know how to fix it
[21:37] <tomreyn> hermonethic: mount your file systems from the menu, this should also enable networking (verify this), then, if you don't mind installing proprietary drivers, install   ubuntu-drivers install
[21:37] <tomreyn> i mean *run* (not install)    ubuntu-drivers install
[21:37] <oerheks> support for mx150 is in Nvidia 384.59  and up
[21:38] <hermonethic> what command should I use? I'm new with ubuntu
[21:40] <tomreyn> hmm, i just tried to explain. you boot to recovery, mount th eroot file system, drop to a shell, run    ubuntu-drivers install
[21:41] <hermonethic> and this command should fix the drivers issues I had ? I mean, this is temporary?
[21:41] <hermonethic> and thank you very much for the help
[21:43] <oerheks> it should, else boot again in nomodeset and come back here
[21:43] <tomreyn> i'm assuming you so far were using the open source 'nouveau' driver which may not support this hardware well. the ubuntu-drivers command will, with internet access, install the proprietary 'nvidia' driver. this driver should support your hardware.
[21:44] <hermonethic> thank you very much , I will try it now
[21:44] <eelstrebor> any idea of when the next lts release will occur? i'm running 18.04 right now
[21:44] <oerheks> next year, eelstrebor
[21:45] <eelstrebor> ok
[21:45] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | eelstrebor
[21:45] <tomreyn> LTS releases are every two years on the .04 (april) release
[21:46] <stoned> Does it make sense to set ubuntu 18.04 vps swappiness to 10 or 20? Default is 60 and I assume that's for desktop. I wonder why ubutnu-server swappiness is also 60 like desktop
[21:48] <Ben64> stoned: doesn't really matter
[21:54] <Viking667> 'llo. I've got a weird error on logoff for a user: the user has a dialog pop up saying that the user's still logged on. I can't get the exact text at the moment (the user's currently logged in and doing some stuff)
[21:54] <Viking667> She's sitting beside me and isn't technical, so I get to be support. :)
[21:55] <hermonethic> tomreyn I run the ubuntu-driver command and it didn't work
[21:56] <hermonethic> should I give up about running ubuntu on that hardware?
[21:58] <Viking667> It's quiet here today.
[22:02] <tomreyn> hermonethic: "did not work" is not a very useful report in a support session, try describing what happened (or was unexpected, did not happen).
[22:03] <Viking667> An example is:  I tried installing the nvidia-gfx driver, but it failed with a "Missing dependencies: ...." issue. Purely an example.
[22:03] <tomreyn> hermonethic: it can be useful to start with a bios upgrade. while at the root command prompt, type   dmesg | grep DMI:   to see the current bios version and info on your computer model
[22:04] <oerheks> Viking667, how do you install the driver, from a .run file or our repos?
[22:04] <oerheks> official drivers in our repos doe not give such error
[22:04] <Viking667> lol. I see you get the idea. harmonethic, see how you get responses?
[22:04] <oerheks> ..?
[22:05] <Viking667> I was trying to pull an example out that would be vague enough to actually prompt more questioning, hence continuing the support down useful lines.
[22:05] <hermonethic> i boot the system into recovery mode, enable networking and then run the command. it looks like everything was ok, and then after the reboot it looks like the resolution of the grub menu had changes, and after choose ubuntu i get black screen again
[22:05] <oerheks> good luck, Viking667
[22:05] <Viking667> I know, right?
[22:06] <Viking667> First, what's the hardware being run? (I came in at the end here)
[22:06] <tomreyn> hermonethic: okay, how about looking for a bios upgrade?
[22:08] <hermonethic> i will do it now. this can be done also from windows, right?
[22:08] <tomreyn> hermonethic: yes, and probably easier so
[22:09] <Viking667> Yeah. Bios update programs don't seem to want to run very well from anywhere else but Windows (or MS-DOS in earlier cases)
[22:09] <Viking667> Anyhow, I'm going to head off and do something else.
[22:50] <FaTaL_G> Im still trying to figure out my setup issue with networking coming upall the way when I boot, and I am getting a " Error: Nexthop has invalid gateway." error, even tho I only have one gateway defined, and it is right
[22:51] <FaTaL_G> (its myself) the machine is the gateway of the network in question because it is the router. Should I not define the gateway?
[22:53] <ColdKeyboard> Anyone had issues with Ubuntu Server and HGST hard drives? I have two HDDs, one WD and another HGST, same identical configuration. WD one remains in spin-down/sleep while HGST doesn't want to go to sleep, and when I force it with hdparm -Y it wakes up within few seconds...
[22:54] <ColdKeyboard> Anyone have a clue where to start probing?
[22:56] <magic_ninja_work> can someone help me with some power issues I'm having? Bluetooth and iwlwifi are using like 15W of power and it is draining my battery very quickly. I'm also getting an ACPI firmware error when I boot.
[23:02] <ColdKeyboard> Is there an easy way to check which process woke up the HDD from sleep?
[23:05] <tomreyn> magic_ninja_work: upgrade the bios first, check whether it helps. if it doesn't post logs ( journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999 )
[23:05] <magic_ninja_work> bios is already latest
[23:06] <magic_ninja_work> https://termbin.com/5us0
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> Hi guys. Is iptables still default installed in Ubuntu 19.10 please?
[23:09] <magic_ninja_work> tomreyn, a search on [Firmware Bug]: ACPI region ... is the message I'm seeing.
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> If someone running 19.10 can run:  iptables -L      do you get command not found or do you get some form of intelligent output, please?
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> With "sudo" sorry
[23:11] <magic_ninja_work> ActionParsnip, try apt search iptables and see if the package is installed.
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> Magic_ninja_work: I don't have 19.10 but some guy on Launchpad.net is saying it's not installed. Just wanted to check if it's default installed before I tell him he's wrong
[23:13] <tomreyn> magic_ninja_work: i think those two messages are just about the TPM (trusted platform module, the 'security enforcement' chip)
[23:13] <magic_ninja_work> tomreyn, yea, I can't disable it, as it makes vmware quit working.
[23:14] <magic_ninja_work> So that settles that. I'm fine with it. Now if I can figure out what is up with power management.
[23:14] <tomreyn> magic_ninja_work: maybe these two are meaningful, though, not sure: "DMAR-IR: x2apic is disabled because BIOS sets x2apic opt out bit." "DMAR-IR: Use 'intremap=no_x2apic_optout' to override the BIOS setting."
[23:15] <magic_ninja_work> tomreyn, on the acpi error?
[23:15] <tomreyn> those are not directly related to ACPI, no
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> I'll use a vm and live CD ISO 😊
[23:16] <tomreyn> magic_ninja_work: you may want to give this a try, just to see if you get better power consumption this way: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[23:17] <tomreyn> ColdKeyboard: if you can't get an on topic reply here, maybe try ##linux, too
[23:17] <tomreyn> also ##hardware
[23:17] <magic_ninja_work> tomreyn, yea, I'll give it a shot. The issue is new to 19.10. Bluetooth and iwlwifi are using like 15W as reported by powertop
[23:17] <oerheks> !info iptables eoan
[23:18] <oerheks> dang, missed actionparsnip
[23:19] <tomreyn> magic_ninja_work: maybe you were using a different wireless generation / mode on the previous installation, such as 802.11 abg vs 802.11 ac (or n)?
[23:19] <Decobus> I don't know if this is a good place to say this, but the ubuntu archives for apt in amazon are not resolving properly.
[23:19] <tomreyn> and you could just disable bluetooth if you dont need it.
[23:19] <Decobus> Keep getting the following
[23:19] <Decobus> Err:9 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security/main amd64 nginx all 1.10.3-0ubuntu0.16.04.4", "  Temporary failure resolving 'us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com'"]}
[23:19] <Decobus> from us-east-1 and 2
[23:20] <magic_ninja_work> tomreyn, well, it is a laptop with the same card. I'll see about switching from 5Ghz to 2.4 or vice versa
[23:20] <ColdKeyboard> Thanks tomreyn! I'll give it a try
[23:20] <magic_ninja_work> am I still here?
[23:21] <magic_ninja_work> okay, seems I am
[23:23] <tomreyn> Decobus: this looks like either a resolver issue on your AWS system, a resolver issue with your configured resolver, a proxy server configuration error on your AWS system, a transparent proxy issue within AWS. i don't see how it could be an issue which canonical could help with, but you could also try verifying this in #ubuntu-mirrors (which is usually calm during weekends)
[23:23] <magic_ninja_work> tomreyn, I can't reboot yet, but I'll give an update on those kernel parameters when I do.
[23:24] <tomreyn> Decobus: there is also #aws OR ##aws
[23:24] <Decobus> tomreyn: yeah ##aws is my next stop
[23:24] <tomreyn> magic_ninja_work: i'll probably be around a bit more
[23:25] <magic_ninja_work> yea, something is going on, because my battery life has went from 79% of original capacity to 72%. It is going to kill my battery if I don't figure it out.
[23:25] <tomreyn> Decobus: can you tell which resolver you're using there? something in AWS?
[23:33] <Decobus> It's the internal amazon dns
[23:34] <Decobus> oh wait
[23:35] <Decobus> found an issue on my end...thanks for making me talk it out
[23:35] <tomreyn> :)
[23:35] <tomreyn> also note you're usually best served in #ubuntu-server with server questions
[23:36] <Decobus> ahh, ok. thanks!
[23:37] <Sven_vB> what's a good VM that can run on Xenial i686 and try the bionic 64 live CD on a virtual x86_64? I'd like to try and install using the mini ISO, onto an uncompressed disk image file so I can just copy it onto a real drive if I like the result.
[23:38] <oerheks> i read it 3 times, still makes no sense to me.
[23:40] <tomreyn> hmm me neither
[23:40] <oerheks> 1. a vm on i686 ..
[23:43] <kadiro> Sven_vB> If you are running an i686 then it is impossible to try a 4 vm ( the inverse can be done )
[23:43] <kadiro> s/4/64