[03:39] <jdwwatts> love xubuntu but i get a broken package thatsays it cant mount gnome then it tries to remove shim and ends up trying to recover
[03:43] <jdwwatts> E;sub process E: systemd-shim: installed systemd-shim package post-removal script subprocess returned error exit status 2
[03:45] <jdwwatts> the desktop still works fine but the package manager won't get past the systemd shim remove error
[15:20] <xubuntu64w> Failed to start session?  8-/
[15:21] <tomreyn> hi there. are you looking for help with this?
[15:22] <xubuntu64w> Thank You. Yes, I've done the upgrade and the login screen gives error on correct user name and password.
[15:24] <xubuntu64w> I've done a few things.  Mostly tty ttl port and fix broken etc. apt upgrade apt update.  It says I have 9xx updates but they don't seem to update?
[15:25] <tomreyn> xubuntu64w: ok, please type "tomreyn" when responding after more than a minute so i won't miss your reply. which upgrade did you do? if you don't know, please switch to a terminal, login and run "lsb_release -ds".
[15:25] <tomreyn> !tty
[15:26] <tomreyn> i assume you'r enow connected to the internet from a different system?
[15:26] <tomreyn> i mean for the chat
[15:26] <xubuntu64w> tomreyn "905 updates can be installed immediately"
[15:26] <xubuntu64w> Yes Tom.
[15:27] <xubuntu64w> I'm ttl logged into the unit.
[15:27] <tomreyn> "ttl"?
[15:27] <xubuntu64w> putty
[15:27] <tomreyn> so logged in via ssh remotely, ok
[15:27] <xubuntu64w> sorry, this is all a bit new to me.   Yes, SSH
[15:28] <tomreyn> does the system seem to have internet access still? ping -c2 1.1.1.1    reports what o the last line of output?
[15:28] <tomreyn> actually last but one line, the one with 2 packets transmitted...
[15:29] <xubuntu64w> lol, syasy for more ping see details.
[15:29] <tomreyn> what happens when you type:   echo test | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:29] <tomreyn> does it return a http address?
[15:29] <xubuntu64w> woops dyslexic
[15:30] <xubuntu64w> 0% loss two received
[15:31] <tomreyn> okay so you have internet access. what about the    echo.... thing?
[15:31] <xubuntu64w> tomreyn checkign echo
[15:33] <xubuntu64w> tomreyn  Hmm. echo test | nc termbin.com 9999 temp failure name resultion
[15:35] <tomreyn> xubuntu64w:    echo test | nc 5.39.93.71 9999
[15:35] <xubuntu64w> tomreyn What about the 905 updates immediately available?  What command will install them?
[15:36] <tomreyn> none if your system is unable to resolve names
[15:36] <tomreyn> i'm trying to enable yu to share some command output with me on the internet
[15:37] <tomreyn> once that's done (we're very close) we can look into getting a better understanding why the updates can't be installed
[15:37] <tomreyn> it will be much easier for me to understand what's failing then
[15:38] <xubuntu64w> 4wpf?
[15:38] <tomreyn> i guess you mean  https://termbin.com/4wpf
[15:38] <xubuntu64w> tomreyn https://termbin.com/4wpf
[15:38] <xubuntu64w> indeed
[15:39] <tomreyn> does copy and paste to and from putty not work for you?
[15:39] <xubuntu64w> I've tried ctrl c and v but nothing
[15:39] <tomreyn> i.e. do you need to retype any commands i write here?
[15:39] <xubuntu64w> yes. in manual mode typing.
[15:40] <tomreyn> echo test    << copy this to clipboard, then press middle mouse button on putty to paste.
[15:40] <tomreyn> i *think* this works, but not certain - it's been a while that i used putty
[15:40] <xubuntu64w> That's a go Huston!
[15:41] <xubuntu64w> Thanks I need that middle mouse button paste.
[15:43] <tomreyn> great
[15:43] <tomreyn> so now:   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[15:43] <xubuntu64w> ?
[15:44] <xubuntu64w> what does that command do?
[15:44] <tomreyn> oh wait this wont work yet
[15:44] <tomreyn> so now:   nc 5.39.93.71 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[15:44] <tomreyn> this command line gathers basic informatio on your system and posts it to the termbin.com website
[15:45] <tomreyn> liek ubuntu version, kerne version and boot parameters etc
[15:45] <xubuntu64w> The system went to sleep and like shut down. weird, had to reboot.
[15:47] <xubuntu64w> tomreyn  Ok, termbin.com receving?
[15:47] <xubuntu64w> tomreyn  Ok, termbin.com receiving?
[15:47] <tomreyn> it should, i don't run it
[15:47] <tomreyn> did you run this?    nc 5.39.93.71 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[15:47] <tomreyn> (so not the first variant with "termbin.com")?
[15:48] <tomreyn> you can run this first if you'd like to see the output you'd be sharing:
[15:48] <tomreyn> cat < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[15:50] <xubuntu64w> Yes and Ok.?
[15:50] <tomreyn> what do you mean?
[15:50] <tomreyn> are you ok with sending this output to termbin.com?
[15:51] <tomreyn> if so, run this (as told before twice):   nc 5.39.93.71 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[15:51] <xubuntu64w> The command was excusted and okay I can see what I'm shareing.
[15:51] <xubuntu64w> executed... 8-/
[15:51] <tomreyn> it will return a http address, please post that here
[15:51] <tomreyn> if it returns nothing then your system is no longer online
[15:52] <xubuntu64w> 8dc2r
[15:53] <tomreyn> lol whats this kernel?
[15:53] <xubuntu64w> tomreyn  resent..  https://termbin.com/59b2
[15:53] <tomreyn> three years old
[15:54] <tomreyn> is this an orangepi?
[15:54] <xubuntu64w> kernel .. not most recent?
[15:54] <tomreyn> this kernel has gatehered security vulnerabilities for 3 years
[15:54] <xubuntu64w> 3.10.65 Ubuntu
[15:55] <tomreyn> 3.10.65 yes, ubuntu no
[15:55] <tomreyn> so what hardware is this?
[15:55] <xubuntu64w> orange pi
[15:55] <tomreyn> see how i asked this above?
[15:55] <xubuntu64w> uodate kernel?
[15:55] <tomreyn> :)
[15:55] <tomreyn> not sure you can, sorry i can't support this
[15:56] <xubuntu64w> Tom!  8-)   What?  Yes,
[15:56] <xubuntu64w> NP. TY!
[15:56] <tomreyn> what you have there is not a standard ubuntu installation
[15:56] <xubuntu64w> Sorry Tomreyn
[15:56] <tomreyn> and we only support those
[15:57] <tomreyn> or i do, others may support other setups
[15:57] <Noboru55> Hello everybody, i am in doubt, for good computers, like 8gb ram, core i5, is better to install Ubuntu? or Xubuntu continue to be the best option?
[15:57] <tomreyn> xubuntu64w: here's a newer download which claims to be ubuntu (but it is not, it's something that once was ubuntu, modified to actually work on this hardware) http://www.orangepi.org/downloadresources/OrangePi3/2019-01-23/orangepi3_82ad209229e957e13fa953491c.html
[15:58] <tomreyn> other options for this hardware http://www.orangepi.org/downloadresources/
[15:58] <tomreyn> Noboru55: either works you choose.
[15:59] <xubuntu64w> Tomreyn Got ya. OKay. The factory OS is  Sigh.  8-(
[15:59] <Noboru55> tomreyn really? i like more the xfce...
[15:59] <tomreyn> Noboru55: yes, it's really your choice
[16:00] <Noboru55> tomreyn asking because i want to uninstall the windows in my wife's laptop, for while she doesnt like, just waiting for some virus...
[16:00] <tomreyn> xubuntu64w: in case this is orange pi zero, here's another canonical product you can install there https://ubuntu.com/download/iot/orange-pi-zero
[16:00] <tomreyn> ubuntu core is not the same as ubuntu server or ubuntu desktop, though
[16:00] <Noboru55> couz in linux i never use the software to clean virus
[16:01] <xubuntu64w> This is OrangePi PC2
[16:01] <xubuntu64w> Tomreyn This is OrangePi PC2
[16:01] <Noboru55> tomreyn thank you!
[16:03] <tomreyn> xubuntu64w: i have no first hand experience with this device. you may be able to find some buntu like pre-installed images which can work on this platform. it's probably an armhf.
[16:04] <tomreyn> there's #ubuntu-arm for such devices
[16:04] <tomreyn> but it's not very busy
[16:04] <Noboru55> tomreyn ah, a question, only for my curious, why the live usb works fine and the o.s installed in usb do not works good ? do u know ?
[16:05] <xubuntu64w> tomreyn  Thanks for the assistance.  Yes it is armv7 I believe.  It's a SBC SOC Development board.
[16:15] <xubuntu64w> tomreyn  W@hen you stated it was not a standard Ubuntu installation, was that in reference to the hardware or the Kernel?  I'm inclined, you meant the hardware.
[16:24] <tomreyn> xubuntu64w: standard ubuntu only supports the amd64 architecture. there are ports for other architectures, but only community support for these.
[16:27] <tomreyn> on ARM platforms you face two issues: kernels often require hardware specific patching, there are default armhf (and arm64) kernels but they son't work for every system since hardware varies too much.  as a result, and due to architectural differences, installing is not possible the 'default' (aMd64) way
[16:28] <tomreyn> (also staging kernel updates for boot works differently, flash-kernel)
[19:19] <Noboru55> hello everybody, is the xubuntu 19.10 better than 18.04 ?
[19:20] <diogenes_> Noboru55, it depends.
[19:20] <Noboru55> diogenes_ depends ? of what, my ram ? or...
[19:21] <diogenes_> Noboru55, on hardware.
[19:21] <Noboru55> diogenes_ the 19.10 needs a powerfull hardware?
[19:22] <Noboru55> diogenes_what processor and ram requeriments ? do u know ?
[19:23] <diogenes_> Noboru55, no, i mean the nwest kernel might not run on some reallt old hardware also 19.10 is 64bit only (afaik).
[19:23] <kadiro> 18.04 is lts 19.10 is not
[19:23] <Noboru55> i see
[19:24] <Noboru55> i have nothing to lose, i will try, and if i dislike i back to 18.04
[19:24] <Noboru55> thank u 2
[19:24] <diogenes_> it's worth trying though so go ahead.
[19:25] <Noboru55> going to do it
[19:25] <Noboru55> 1 minute left to complete the download
[19:25] <Noboru55> torrent ^ ^
[19:25] <diogenes_> i installed it on intel atom small 2gb ram netboot and it runs fast.
[19:25] <Noboru55> owo
[19:25] <Noboru55> here i have.. dual core 1.6  4gbm ram ddr3 ... but intel graphics share 64mb memory
[19:26] <diogenes_> can even run heavy ms office via wine on that netbook.
[19:26] <Noboru55> so i will not worry couz every little thing gonna be alright
[19:26] <Noboru55> i preffer libre office
[19:26] <diogenes_> Noboru55, yes you're fine.
[19:26] <Noboru55> download complete
[19:27] <Noboru55> see u
[19:27] <diogenes_> i prefer libreoffice too but you can't teach the old school principal new tricks :)
[19:27] <diogenes_> ok good luck.
[19:27] <Noboru55> its right.. thank u again
[19:41] <xubuntu67w> how to deaktivate the lock of the screen if i am watching a video the screen lock autmatically after about 15 or 20 minutes
[19:43] <diogenes_> xumactivate presentation mode.
[19:43] <diogenes_> activate*
[19:45] <xubuntu67w> where to activate the presentation mode  19.04 there were no issues with this but in 19.10
[19:47] <diogenes_> add power manager plugin to panel.
[19:48] <xubuntu67w> thank you found it
[19:48] <diogenes_> np
[19:52] <kadiro> I removed screensaver and disabled the power manager my self to solve that problem
[21:03] <xubuntu67w> after i activated the presentationmode i waited for one hour and there was no screen lock the advice to activate the presentationmode to avoid the automatikally screenlock works very well thanks for the advice
[21:04] <Noboru55> hello, when the keyboard doesn't work in grub, is there something to do to fix it ? i see nothing in my bios about it.. so..
[21:04] <Noboru55> do not know what to do
[21:07] <Noboru55> would grub2 fix it? perhaps?
[22:19] <isthis4real57468> almost sure but just to confirm...the livepatch feature is only for ubuntu lts proper? not the de versions?
[22:20] <krytarik> isthis4real57468: Does not matter really.
[22:20] <tomreyn> i think there's only support for LTS kernels, yes
[22:26] <isthis4real57468> krytarik, are you talking from personal experience, have you gotten it working for some time?
[22:28] <krytarik> Nope, I don't care about Livepatch really, but all flavors are technically Ubuntu so it should work there as well.
[22:33] <tomreyn> https://assets.ubuntu.com/v1/ef19ede0-Datasheet_Livepatch_AW_Web_30.07.18.pdf
[22:33] <tomreyn> see "System requirements"
[22:33] <tomreyn> also here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Livepatch
[22:58] <sm0rux> How can I get 'echo -e "\a"' to create a beep in my PC speaker? Using xfce4-terminal on 18.04.
[23:06] <diogenes_> sm0rux, first see if pcspkr module is loaded.
[23:07] <sm0rux> It is not commented out (no # sign) in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[23:07] <kadiro> I think the pcspkr is blacklisted by default
[23:08] <diogenes_> lsmod | grep pcspkr
[23:08] <kadiro> you can install beep
[23:09] <kadiro> In my case beep command works fine but with echo command never worked
[23:09] <sm0rux> lsmod | grep pcspkr gives nothing
[23:11] <diogenes_> sm0rux, it mans it's not loaded.
[23:11] <kadiro> sm0rux> try to load it first
[23:11] <sm0rux> OK
[23:11] <kadiro> something like sudo modprobe pcspkr
[23:13] <diogenes_> also check: grep "pcspkr" -r /etc/modprobe.d
[23:15] <sm0rux> Now I see it using lsmod | grep pcspkr
[23:15] <sm0rux> Still no sound then giving echo -e "\a"
[23:16] <diogenes_> play -q -n synth 0.1 sin 880 || echo -e "\a"
[23:16] <sm0rux> Hey - it beeped :)
[23:17] <diogenes_> cool
[23:17] <kadiro> good
[23:17] <kadiro> your situation and mine are the same
[23:17] <kadiro> the echo can't work
[23:17] <diogenes_> you can modify  880 to you liking.
[23:19] <sm0rux> Can I modify the the volume? Tried the -v setting, but no difference between -v 1 and -v 1000
[23:19] <kadiro> add vol x.x
[23:19] <kadiro> ex vol 0.5
[23:20] <kadiro> play -n synth 0.1 sine 880 vol 0.5
[23:20] <sm0rux> Brilliant!
[23:21] <kadiro> you will end using morse with that command :D
[23:24] <sm0rux> I doubt I will... especially not after working like 30 hours in CQ WW SSB this weekend :)
[23:24] <kadiro> oh I see
[23:26] <sm0rux> kadiro: Are you a ham?
[23:26] <kadiro> sm0rux> my english is not good, what is ham
[23:26] <sm0rux> play  -q -n synth 0.1 sin 880 vol 0.02
[23:27] <sm0rux> Ooops :)