| lubot | <ctisme> how to move every window apps opened on the hdmi monitor to edp one? | 02:13 |
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| chieta | xrandr? | 02:16 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @ctisme [how to move every window apps opened on the hdmi monitor to edp one?], If you are in extended monitor setup. You will just have to drag them to this monitor. | 16:09 |
| === lubuntu is now known as Guest45455 | ||
| Lizardman | Ah I've got everything running great in my fresh Lubuntu install, but the PulseAudio Mixer icon in the system tray has become blank - known issue? Anyone have experience with the bug and potentially some suggestions? | 21:02 |
| wxl | `pulseaudio -k` do anything for you? | 21:08 |
| Lizardman | I shall try | 21:09 |
| Lizardman | Regretfully no, good sir wxl | 21:10 |
| wxl | what version of lubuntu? | 21:10 |
| Lizardman | Should be latest, always forgot how to check that as opposed to kernel version | 21:11 |
| wxl | `lsb_release` | 21:11 |
| lubot | <ctisme> @The_LoudSpeaker [If you are in extended monitor setup. You will just have to drag them to this mo …], how to do that automatically... let's say i have many apps open... when using the extended monitor... i want to all apps opened on edp one rather on hdmi wan | 21:11 |
| Lizardman | "No LSB modules are available." | 21:11 |
| wxl | ugh that whole thing. so stupid. try `lsb_release -d` | 21:12 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | ctisme: set the edp one as the primary monitor | 21:12 |
| Lizardman | Ubuntu 19.04 | 21:12 |
| wxl | ok well 19.10 just came out. you might want to try an upgrade as you'll want to do one anyways. | 21:13 |
| Lizardman | For Lubuntu, what's the official upgrade procedure? | 21:13 |
| diogenes_ | !upgrade | 21:14 |
| ubottu | For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade | 21:14 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | sudo do-release-upgrade -d | 21:14 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | ^ Lizardman: | 21:14 |
| lubot | <ctisme> @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> ctisme: set the edp one as the primary monitor], i won't | 21:15 |
| wxl | it may be that some application is using your hardware and so pulse is just ignoring that. you can do `lsof /dev/snd/* | tail -n +2 | grep -v pulse` to figure out if anything is there | 21:16 |
| wxl | ^ Lizardman | 21:16 |
| Lizardman | wxl: I will check that, I am doing a dist upgrade at the moment, which will kick me offline here (Linux box is router using iptables) | 21:17 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Then sorry mate. Can't help! 🤷🏻♂️ | 21:17 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | ^ @ctisme | 21:17 |
| wxl | worst case scenario, you can try deleting (or moving) the config files and then restarting | 21:17 |
| lubot | <ctisme> @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> Then sorry mate. Can't help! 🤷🏻♂️], no worries, nice tries | 21:18 |
| wxl | btw ~/.config/pulse | 21:19 |
| wxl | `pactl list` might be instructive if there are still issues | 21:21 |
| Lizardman | wxl: Thank you wxl, you've been much helpful - just waiting for the packages to be upgraded and hopefully a sane restart (might need to re-install the NVIDIA drivers, I use the ones from their site) | 21:21 |
| Lizardman | It's just that dang icon in the system tray being blank, it tasks me! It tasks me! Everything else is working so well, best I've seen LXQt | 21:22 |
| wxl | 19.10 is better so XD | 21:22 |
| Lizardman | I cannot ignore the advice of a good ser | 21:24 |
| chieta | still on 19.04 with openbox here | 21:24 |
| wxl | 19.10 still has openbox | 21:25 |
| Lizardman | My first Linux distro was Mandrake, all the way back, let's see, 21 years ago roughly | 21:25 |
| wxl | oh jeez i don't even remember mandrake XD but i began on slackware | 21:25 |
| chieta | 21 years with linux then? | 21:25 |
| chieta | i forgot the logos of mandrake | 21:26 |
| chieta | knoppix i rememberred | 21:26 |
| wxl | i remember having to hack a device driver for something... it was a laptop and there wasn't much in the way of resources for linux on laptops back then | 21:26 |
| chieta | my first impression is suse | 21:26 |
| chieta | sound driver is a mess | 21:27 |
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| Lizardman | Yeah, I was the coolest hatchling in class, I setup a remote access terminal and used a bunch of ncurses-based programs to chat on ICQ, IRC, etc | 21:31 |
| Lizardman | And I'm back on with 19.10 | 21:31 |
| Lizardman | And Pulse has an icon! | 21:31 |
| wxl | horray | 21:31 |
| wxl | most likely that is circumstantial | 21:31 |
| wxl | so don't get the idea that pulse sucks in 19.04 or anything. but you've got newer software and that's a Good Thing™ | 21:31 |
| Lizardman | And I almost lost my Vulkan code due to where I put it! Woops! | 21:32 |
| Lizardman | Gotta reinstall the NVIDIA driver | 21:33 |
| Lizardman | wxl: What's the default window manager for logging in? wddm? Wasn't lightdm, trying to find the process | 21:36 |
| wxl | Lizardman: one key lower— sddm | 21:37 |
| wxl | and fwiw "login manager" would be the words you are looking for | 21:37 |
| Lizardman | wxl: Hm, killing it only brought it back | 21:37 |
| wxl | they all end in "dm" for "display manager" but especially in the age of wayland, that's super confusing | 21:37 |
| wxl | yeah it autospawns (just like pulseaudio, actually). what are you trying to accomplish? | 21:38 |
| Lizardman | Install NVIDIA's driver | 21:38 |
| wxl | wouldn't that involve kernel modules, so you're just reloading them basically? | 21:39 |
| wxl | see `modprobe` | 21:39 |
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| Lizardman | Back again | 21:40 |
| wxl | if you're trying to essentially restart x, killing the display/login manager is what actually does it | 21:40 |
| Lizardman | I need to stop sddm from loading so Nouveu doesn't load so I can load NVIDIA's kernel driver | 21:40 |
| Lizardman | Basically a fresh boot with no X | 21:41 |
| wxl | oh just blacklist nouveau and kill sddm | 21:41 |
| wxl | !blacklist | 21:41 |
| ubottu | To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist.conf and add « blacklist <modulename> » to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type « sudo update-initramfs -u » | 21:41 |
| Lizardman | NVIDIA's installer already made a blacklist file in that location | 21:42 |
| wxl | so if nouveau is there, it shouldn't load | 21:43 |
| Lizardman | ...and yet lsmod shows it | 21:43 |
| wxl | did you completely reboot? | 21:43 |
| Lizardman | Yes'ser | 21:44 |
| wxl | what's `lsmod | grep nouveau`? | 21:44 |
| Lizardman | https://pastebin.com/FeBxGUV2 | 21:45 |
| Lizardman | https://pastebin.com/zkBBSZjS - NVIDIA's file | 21:46 |
| wxl | so everything except the first line shows modules that are loaded that are using nouveau.. they might be the issue | 21:46 |
| Lizardman | nano /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-installer-disable-nouveau.conf - Good path | 21:47 |
| Lizardman | Those modules look rather generic-y for Xorg-y | 21:48 |
| wxl | i know.. just observing | 21:49 |
| * Lizardman hands wxl some binoculars | 21:49 | |
| Lizardman | Probably stopping sddm from loading will fix this | 21:53 |
| wxl | anything except comments in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? | 21:56 |
| wxl | is nouveau mentioned anywhere in /etc/modules-load.d/*? | 21:57 |
| wxl | is the nvidia driver (for some weird reason? i don't know) blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/*? | 21:57 |
| Lizardman | Check for that, it wasn't | 21:58 |
| wxl | also look for either in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (you shouldn't have one) or /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf/* | 21:59 |
| wxl | oh there's some fun ideas here https://askubuntu.com/questions/110341/how-to-blacklist-kernel-modules | 22:00 |
| wxl | i like the last one, which is rename all the driver files X'''''''''D | 22:01 |
| wxl | the `install module /bin/false` directive is new | 22:01 |
| wxl | passing the blacklist to the kernel right in GRUB is a nice touch | 22:02 |
| Lizardman | wxl: Ugh, got the driver installed, X starts for a second, see the cursor, it drops | 22:07 |
| Lizardman | Gonna get the Xorg log | 22:07 |
| Lizardman | What, the | 22:08 |
| Lizardman | Now it's sddm that seems to be preventing it from running | 22:09 |
| wxl | ? | 22:09 |
| Lizardman | [ 146.842] (EE) Failed to open authorization file "/var/run/sddm/{e0243e52-2eca-494a-87f7-7b2c23eba320}": No such file or directory | 22:09 |
| Lizardman | I also see BOTH Nouveau AND NVIDIA references in the log | 22:10 |
| Lizardman | https://pastebin.com/ye9DDPdj | 22:10 |
| wxl | yeesh | 22:10 |
| wxl | can i make a crazy suggestion? | 22:10 |
| Lizardman | Yes'ser | 22:11 |
| Lizardman | Reinstall? | 22:11 |
| lubot | <lynorian> what happens in a live session? | 22:11 |
| wxl | no.. roll back your driver | 22:11 |
| Lizardman | Hm, need to check the command line options on the NVIDIA installer for that | 22:12 |
| wxl | i'm not sure it will allow you that option | 22:12 |
| wxl | you might have to literally go pick an older version and install it | 22:12 |
| wxl | i know this is gentoo but kind of interesting https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1097502.html | 22:13 |
| wxl | * rolling back drivers helps | 22:13 |
| wxl | * the file exists though it says it doesn't | 22:13 |
| wxl | * for some, wiggling the mouse/typing keys and it works like normal (so might be a red herring) | 22:13 |
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| Lizardman | wxl: All working | 22:17 |
| Lizardman | wxl: Next thing, a menu editor, since I don't seem to have a built-in one | 22:18 |
| wxl | Lizardman: what are you talking about? you said earlier you had nano XD | 22:21 |
| Lizardman | wxl: I love nano! I use it all the time! But both LXQt have a GUI for editing the menu? | 22:22 |
| wxl | oh you want a GUI boooooo | 22:22 |
| Lizardman | (I have to sell this distro to some people at the company) | 22:22 |
| Lizardman | (well, make them like it) | 22:22 |
| wxl | surprisingly, the LXQt project has been relatively unfriendly about the idea of a desktop entry editor, let alone a menu editor | 22:23 |
| kc2bez | nano has some gui-like features XD | 22:23 |
| wxl | oooooooh but i think i may have found a really good solution | 22:23 |
| wxl | let me go test this out | 22:23 |
| wxl | meanwhile i'll show you the two i know of | 22:23 |
| wxl | !info alacarte | 22:23 |
| wxl | !info menulibre | 22:23 |
| ubottu | alacarte (source: alacarte): easy GNOME menu editing tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.11.91-3 (bionic), package size 79 kB, installed size 556 kB | 22:23 |
| ubottu | menulibre (source: menulibre): advanced FreeDesktop.org compliant menu editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.0-1 (bionic), package size 142 kB, installed size 1436 kB | 22:23 |
| * wxl kicks the bot | 22:23 | |
| wxl | wth? we default to bionic here? ugh | 22:24 |
| wxl | !info alacarte eoan | 22:24 |
| wxl | !info menulibre eoan | 22:24 |
| ubottu | alacarte (source: alacarte): easy GNOME menu editing tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.11.91-5 (eoan), package size 47 kB, installed size 312 kB | 22:24 |
| ubottu | menulibre (source: menulibre): advanced FreeDesktop.org compliant menu editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.1-1 (eoan), package size 144 kB, installed size 1469 kB | 22:24 |
| wxl | there, still there :) | 22:24 |
| wxl | and apparently getting smaller in the case of alacarte. not sure if that's a good sign or not XD | 22:24 |
| wxl | ok the idea's good but not great | 22:26 |
| wxl | you can edit the Desktop Entries by using pcmanfm-qt and going to Applications, then right click, open with, your editor, etc. | 22:27 |
| wxl | however you wouldn't necessarily know all the categories | 22:27 |
| wxl | or if you don't mind flatpak and ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww gtk3 https://github.com/donadigo/appeditor | 22:40 |
| kc2bez | fwiw I vote menulibre. it doesn't pull in too much and it just works. | 23:08 |
| wxl | yeah except when it doesn't | 23:08 |
| wxl | when you try to get fancy (more than just moving categories) it's problematic | 23:08 |
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