 how to move every window apps opened on the hdmi monitor to edp one?
[02:16] <chieta> xrandr?
 @ctisme [how to move every window apps opened on the hdmi monitor to edp one?], If you are in extended monitor setup. You will just have to drag them to this monitor.
[21:02] <Lizardman> Ah I've got everything running great in my fresh Lubuntu install, but the PulseAudio Mixer icon in the system tray has become blank - known issue?  Anyone have experience with the bug and potentially some suggestions?
[21:08] <wxl> `pulseaudio -k` do anything for you?
[21:09] <Lizardman> I shall try
[21:10] <Lizardman> Regretfully no, good sir wxl
[21:10] <wxl> what version of lubuntu?
[21:11] <Lizardman> Should be latest, always forgot how to check that as opposed to kernel version
[21:11] <wxl> `lsb_release`
 @The_LoudSpeaker [If you are in extended monitor setup. You will just have to drag them to this mo …], how to do that automatically... let's say i have many apps open... when using the extended monitor... i want to all apps opened on edp one rather on hdmi wan
[21:11] <Lizardman> "No LSB modules are available."
[21:12] <wxl> ugh that whole thing. so stupid. try `lsb_release -d`
[21:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> ctisme: set the edp one as the primary monitor
[21:12] <Lizardman> Ubuntu 19.04
[21:13] <wxl> ok well 19.10 just came out. you might want to try an upgrade as you'll want to do one anyways.
[21:13] <Lizardman> For Lubuntu, what's the official upgrade procedure?
[21:14] <diogenes_> !upgrade
[21:14] <The_LoudSpeaker> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[21:14] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ Lizardman:
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> ctisme: set the edp one as the primary monitor], i won't
[21:16] <wxl> it may be that some application is using your hardware and so pulse is just ignoring that. you can do `lsof /dev/snd/* | tail -n +2 | grep -v pulse` to figure out if anything is there
[21:16] <wxl> ^ Lizardman
[21:17] <Lizardman> wxl: I will check that, I am doing a dist upgrade at the moment, which will kick me offline here (Linux box is router using iptables)
[21:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> Then sorry mate. Can't help! 🤷🏻‍♂️
[21:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ @ctisme
[21:17] <wxl> worst case scenario, you can try deleting (or moving) the config files and then restarting
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> Then sorry mate. Can't help! 🤷🏻‍♂️], no worries, nice tries
[21:19] <wxl> btw ~/.config/pulse
[21:21] <wxl> `pactl list` might be instructive if there are still issues
[21:21] <Lizardman> wxl: Thank you wxl, you've been much helpful - just waiting for the packages to be upgraded and hopefully a sane restart (might need to re-install the NVIDIA drivers, I use the ones from their site)
[21:22] <Lizardman> It's just that dang icon in the system tray being blank, it tasks me!  It tasks me!  Everything else is working so well, best I've seen LXQt
[21:22] <wxl> 19.10 is better so XD
[21:24] <Lizardman> I cannot ignore the advice of a good ser
[21:24] <chieta> still on 19.04 with openbox here
[21:25] <wxl> 19.10 still has openbox
[21:25] <Lizardman> My first Linux distro was Mandrake, all the way back, let's see, 21 years ago roughly
[21:25] <wxl> oh jeez i don't even remember mandrake XD but i began on slackware
[21:25] <chieta> 21 years with linux then?
[21:26] <chieta> i forgot the logos of mandrake
[21:26] <chieta> knoppix i rememberred
[21:26] <wxl> i remember having to hack a device driver for something... it was a laptop and there wasn't much in the way of resources for linux on laptops back then
[21:26] <chieta> my first impression is suse
[21:27] <chieta> sound driver is a mess
[21:31] <Lizardman> Yeah, I was the coolest hatchling in class, I setup a remote access terminal and used a bunch of ncurses-based programs to chat on ICQ, IRC, etc
[21:31] <Lizardman> And I'm back on with 19.10
[21:31] <Lizardman> And Pulse has an icon!
[21:31] <wxl> horray
[21:31] <wxl> most likely that is circumstantial
[21:31] <wxl> so don't get the idea that pulse sucks in 19.04 or anything. but you've got newer software and that's a Good Thing™
[21:32] <Lizardman> And I almost lost my Vulkan code due to where I put it!  Woops!
[21:33] <Lizardman> Gotta reinstall the NVIDIA driver
[21:36] <Lizardman> wxl: What's the default window manager for logging in? wddm?  Wasn't lightdm, trying to find the process
[21:37] <wxl> Lizardman: one key lower— sddm
[21:37] <wxl> and fwiw "login manager" would be the words you are looking for
[21:37] <Lizardman> wxl: Hm, killing it only brought it back
[21:37] <wxl> they all end in "dm" for "display manager" but especially in the age of wayland, that's super confusing
[21:38] <wxl> yeah it autospawns (just like pulseaudio, actually). what are you trying to accomplish?
[21:38] <Lizardman> Install NVIDIA's driver
[21:39] <wxl> wouldn't that involve kernel modules, so you're just reloading them basically?
[21:39] <wxl> see `modprobe`
[21:40] <Lizardman> Back again
[21:40] <wxl> if you're trying to essentially restart x, killing the display/login manager is what actually does it
[21:40] <Lizardman> I need to stop sddm from loading so Nouveu doesn't load so I can load NVIDIA's kernel driver
[21:41] <Lizardman> Basically a fresh boot with no X
[21:41] <wxl> oh just blacklist nouveau and kill sddm
[21:41] <wxl> !blacklist
[21:42] <Lizardman> NVIDIA's installer already made a blacklist file in that location
[21:43] <wxl> so if nouveau is there, it shouldn't load
[21:43] <Lizardman> ...and yet lsmod shows it
[21:43] <wxl> did you completely reboot?
[21:44] <Lizardman> Yes'ser
[21:44] <wxl> what's `lsmod | grep nouveau`?
[21:45] <Lizardman> https://pastebin.com/FeBxGUV2
[21:46] <Lizardman> https://pastebin.com/zkBBSZjS - NVIDIA's file
[21:46] <wxl> so everything except the first line shows modules that are loaded that are using nouveau.. they might be the issue
[21:47] <Lizardman> nano /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-installer-disable-nouveau.conf - Good path
[21:48] <Lizardman> Those modules look rather generic-y for Xorg-y
[21:49] <wxl> i know.. just observing
[21:49]  * Lizardman hands wxl some binoculars
[21:53] <Lizardman> Probably stopping sddm from loading will fix this
[21:56] <wxl> anything except comments in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules?
[21:57] <wxl> is nouveau mentioned anywhere in /etc/modules-load.d/*?
[21:57] <wxl> is the nvidia driver (for some weird reason? i don't know) blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/*?
[21:58] <Lizardman> Check for that, it wasn't
[21:59] <wxl> also look for either in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (you shouldn't have one) or /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf/*
[22:00] <wxl> oh there's some fun ideas here https://askubuntu.com/questions/110341/how-to-blacklist-kernel-modules
[22:01] <wxl> i like the last one, which is rename all the driver files X'''''''''D
[22:01] <wxl> the `install module /bin/false` directive is new
[22:02] <wxl> passing the blacklist to the kernel right in GRUB is a nice touch
[22:07] <Lizardman> wxl: Ugh, got the driver installed, X starts for a second, see the cursor, it drops
[22:07] <Lizardman> Gonna get the Xorg log
[22:08] <Lizardman> What, the
[22:09] <Lizardman> Now it's sddm that seems to be preventing it from running
[22:09] <wxl> ?
[22:09] <Lizardman> [   146.842] (EE) Failed to open authorization file "/var/run/sddm/{e0243e52-2eca-494a-87f7-7b2c23eba320}": No such file or directory
[22:10] <Lizardman> I also see BOTH Nouveau AND NVIDIA references in the log
[22:10] <Lizardman> https://pastebin.com/ye9DDPdj
[22:10] <wxl> yeesh
[22:10] <wxl> can i make a crazy suggestion?
[22:11] <Lizardman> Yes'ser
[22:11] <Lizardman> Reinstall?
 what happens in a live session?
[22:11] <wxl> no.. roll back your driver
[22:12] <Lizardman> Hm, need to check the command line options on the NVIDIA installer for that
[22:12] <wxl> i'm not sure it will allow you that option
[22:12] <wxl> you might have to literally go pick an older version and install it
[22:13] <wxl> i know this is gentoo but kind of interesting https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1097502.html
[22:13] <wxl>  * rolling back drivers helps
[22:13] <wxl>  * the file exists though it says it doesn't
[22:13] <wxl>  * for some, wiggling the mouse/typing keys and it works like normal (so might be a red herring)
[22:17] <Lizardman> wxl: All working
[22:18] <Lizardman> wxl: Next thing, a menu editor, since I don't seem to have a built-in one
[22:21] <wxl> Lizardman: what are you talking about? you said earlier you had nano XD
[22:22] <Lizardman> wxl: I love nano!  I use it all the time!  But both LXQt have a GUI for editing the menu?
[22:22] <wxl> oh you want a GUI boooooo
[22:22] <Lizardman> (I have to sell this distro to some people at the company)
[22:22] <Lizardman> (well, make them like it)
[22:23] <wxl> surprisingly, the LXQt project has been relatively unfriendly about the idea of a desktop entry editor, let alone a menu editor
[22:23] <kc2bez> nano has some gui-like features XD
[22:23] <wxl> oooooooh but i think i may have found a really good solution
[22:23] <wxl> let me go test this out
[22:23] <wxl> meanwhile i'll show you the two i know of
[22:23] <wxl> !info alacarte
[22:23] <wxl> !info menulibre
[22:23]  * wxl kicks the bot
[22:24] <wxl> wth? we default to bionic here? ugh
[22:24] <wxl> !info alacarte eoan
[22:24] <wxl> !info menulibre eoan
[22:24] <wxl> there, still there :)
[22:24] <wxl> and apparently getting smaller in the case of alacarte. not sure if that's a good sign or not XD
[22:26] <wxl> ok the idea's good but not great
[22:27] <wxl> you can edit the Desktop Entries by using pcmanfm-qt and going to Applications, then right click, open with, your editor, etc.
[22:27] <wxl> however you wouldn't necessarily know all the categories
[22:40] <wxl> or if you don't mind flatpak and ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww gtk3 https://github.com/donadigo/appeditor
[23:08] <kc2bez> fwiw I vote menulibre. it doesn't pull in too much and it just works.
[23:08] <wxl> yeah except when it doesn't
[23:08] <wxl> when you try to get fancy (more than just moving categories) it's problematic