[02:13] how to move every window apps opened on the hdmi monitor to edp one? [02:16] xrandr? [16:09] @ctisme [how to move every window apps opened on the hdmi monitor to edp one?], If you are in extended monitor setup. You will just have to drag them to this monitor. === lubuntu is now known as Guest45455 [21:02] Ah I've got everything running great in my fresh Lubuntu install, but the PulseAudio Mixer icon in the system tray has become blank - known issue? Anyone have experience with the bug and potentially some suggestions? [21:08] `pulseaudio -k` do anything for you? [21:09] I shall try [21:10] Regretfully no, good sir wxl [21:10] what version of lubuntu? [21:11] Should be latest, always forgot how to check that as opposed to kernel version [21:11] `lsb_release` [21:11] @The_LoudSpeaker [If you are in extended monitor setup. You will just have to drag them to this mo …], how to do that automatically... let's say i have many apps open... when using the extended monitor... i want to all apps opened on edp one rather on hdmi wan [21:11] "No LSB modules are available." [21:12] ugh that whole thing. so stupid. try `lsb_release -d` [21:12] ctisme: set the edp one as the primary monitor [21:12] Ubuntu 19.04 [21:13] ok well 19.10 just came out. you might want to try an upgrade as you'll want to do one anyways. [21:13] For Lubuntu, what's the official upgrade procedure? [21:14] !upgrade [21:14] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [21:14] sudo do-release-upgrade -d [21:14] ^ Lizardman: [21:15] @The_LoudSpeaker [ ctisme: set the edp one as the primary monitor], i won't [21:16] it may be that some application is using your hardware and so pulse is just ignoring that. you can do `lsof /dev/snd/* | tail -n +2 | grep -v pulse` to figure out if anything is there [21:16] ^ Lizardman [21:17] wxl: I will check that, I am doing a dist upgrade at the moment, which will kick me offline here (Linux box is router using iptables) [21:17] Then sorry mate. Can't help! 🤷🏻‍♂️ [21:17] ^ @ctisme [21:17] worst case scenario, you can try deleting (or moving) the config files and then restarting [21:18] @The_LoudSpeaker [ Then sorry mate. Can't help! 🤷🏻‍♂️], no worries, nice tries [21:19] btw ~/.config/pulse [21:21] `pactl list` might be instructive if there are still issues [21:21] wxl: Thank you wxl, you've been much helpful - just waiting for the packages to be upgraded and hopefully a sane restart (might need to re-install the NVIDIA drivers, I use the ones from their site) [21:22] It's just that dang icon in the system tray being blank, it tasks me! It tasks me! Everything else is working so well, best I've seen LXQt [21:22] 19.10 is better so XD [21:24] I cannot ignore the advice of a good ser [21:24] still on 19.04 with openbox here [21:25] 19.10 still has openbox [21:25] My first Linux distro was Mandrake, all the way back, let's see, 21 years ago roughly [21:25] oh jeez i don't even remember mandrake XD but i began on slackware [21:25] 21 years with linux then? [21:26] i forgot the logos of mandrake [21:26] knoppix i rememberred [21:26] i remember having to hack a device driver for something... it was a laptop and there wasn't much in the way of resources for linux on laptops back then [21:26] my first impression is suse [21:27] sound driver is a mess === Dresk|Dev is now known as Lizardman [21:31] Yeah, I was the coolest hatchling in class, I setup a remote access terminal and used a bunch of ncurses-based programs to chat on ICQ, IRC, etc [21:31] And I'm back on with 19.10 [21:31] And Pulse has an icon! [21:31] horray [21:31] most likely that is circumstantial [21:31] so don't get the idea that pulse sucks in 19.04 or anything. but you've got newer software and that's a Good Thing™ [21:32] And I almost lost my Vulkan code due to where I put it! Woops! [21:33] Gotta reinstall the NVIDIA driver [21:36] wxl: What's the default window manager for logging in? wddm? Wasn't lightdm, trying to find the process [21:37] Lizardman: one key lower— sddm [21:37] and fwiw "login manager" would be the words you are looking for [21:37] wxl: Hm, killing it only brought it back [21:37] they all end in "dm" for "display manager" but especially in the age of wayland, that's super confusing [21:38] yeah it autospawns (just like pulseaudio, actually). what are you trying to accomplish? [21:38] Install NVIDIA's driver [21:39] wouldn't that involve kernel modules, so you're just reloading them basically? [21:39] see `modprobe` === Dresk|Dev is now known as Lizardman [21:40] Back again [21:40] if you're trying to essentially restart x, killing the display/login manager is what actually does it [21:40] I need to stop sddm from loading so Nouveu doesn't load so I can load NVIDIA's kernel driver [21:41] Basically a fresh boot with no X [21:41] oh just blacklist nouveau and kill sddm [21:41] !blacklist [21:41] To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist.conf and add « blacklist » to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type « sudo update-initramfs -u » [21:42] NVIDIA's installer already made a blacklist file in that location [21:43] so if nouveau is there, it shouldn't load [21:43] ...and yet lsmod shows it [21:43] did you completely reboot? [21:44] Yes'ser [21:44] what's `lsmod | grep nouveau`? [21:45] https://pastebin.com/FeBxGUV2 [21:46] https://pastebin.com/zkBBSZjS - NVIDIA's file [21:46] so everything except the first line shows modules that are loaded that are using nouveau.. they might be the issue [21:47] nano /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-installer-disable-nouveau.conf - Good path [21:48] Those modules look rather generic-y for Xorg-y [21:49] i know.. just observing [21:49] * Lizardman hands wxl some binoculars [21:53] Probably stopping sddm from loading will fix this [21:56] anything except comments in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? [21:57] is nouveau mentioned anywhere in /etc/modules-load.d/*? [21:57] is the nvidia driver (for some weird reason? i don't know) blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/*? [21:58] Check for that, it wasn't [21:59] also look for either in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (you shouldn't have one) or /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf/* [22:00] oh there's some fun ideas here https://askubuntu.com/questions/110341/how-to-blacklist-kernel-modules [22:01] i like the last one, which is rename all the driver files X'''''''''D [22:01] the `install module /bin/false` directive is new [22:02] passing the blacklist to the kernel right in GRUB is a nice touch [22:07] wxl: Ugh, got the driver installed, X starts for a second, see the cursor, it drops [22:07] Gonna get the Xorg log [22:08] What, the [22:09] Now it's sddm that seems to be preventing it from running [22:09] ? [22:09] [ 146.842] (EE) Failed to open authorization file "/var/run/sddm/{e0243e52-2eca-494a-87f7-7b2c23eba320}": No such file or directory [22:10] I also see BOTH Nouveau AND NVIDIA references in the log [22:10] https://pastebin.com/ye9DDPdj [22:10] yeesh [22:10] can i make a crazy suggestion? [22:11] Yes'ser [22:11] Reinstall? [22:11] what happens in a live session? [22:11] no.. roll back your driver [22:12] Hm, need to check the command line options on the NVIDIA installer for that [22:12] i'm not sure it will allow you that option [22:12] you might have to literally go pick an older version and install it [22:13] i know this is gentoo but kind of interesting https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1097502.html [22:13] * rolling back drivers helps [22:13] * the file exists though it says it doesn't [22:13] * for some, wiggling the mouse/typing keys and it works like normal (so might be a red herring) === Dresk|Dev is now known as Lizardman [22:17] wxl: All working [22:18] wxl: Next thing, a menu editor, since I don't seem to have a built-in one [22:21] Lizardman: what are you talking about? you said earlier you had nano XD [22:22] wxl: I love nano! I use it all the time! But both LXQt have a GUI for editing the menu? [22:22] oh you want a GUI boooooo [22:22] (I have to sell this distro to some people at the company) [22:22] (well, make them like it) [22:23] surprisingly, the LXQt project has been relatively unfriendly about the idea of a desktop entry editor, let alone a menu editor [22:23] nano has some gui-like features XD [22:23] oooooooh but i think i may have found a really good solution [22:23] let me go test this out [22:23] meanwhile i'll show you the two i know of [22:23] !info alacarte [22:23] !info menulibre [22:23] alacarte (source: alacarte): easy GNOME menu editing tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.11.91-3 (bionic), package size 79 kB, installed size 556 kB [22:23] menulibre (source: menulibre): advanced FreeDesktop.org compliant menu editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.0-1 (bionic), package size 142 kB, installed size 1436 kB [22:23] * wxl kicks the bot [22:24] wth? we default to bionic here? ugh [22:24] !info alacarte eoan [22:24] !info menulibre eoan [22:24] alacarte (source: alacarte): easy GNOME menu editing tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.11.91-5 (eoan), package size 47 kB, installed size 312 kB [22:24] menulibre (source: menulibre): advanced FreeDesktop.org compliant menu editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.1-1 (eoan), package size 144 kB, installed size 1469 kB [22:24] there, still there :) [22:24] and apparently getting smaller in the case of alacarte. not sure if that's a good sign or not XD [22:26] ok the idea's good but not great [22:27] you can edit the Desktop Entries by using pcmanfm-qt and going to Applications, then right click, open with, your editor, etc. [22:27] however you wouldn't necessarily know all the categories [22:40] or if you don't mind flatpak and ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww gtk3 https://github.com/donadigo/appeditor [23:08] fwiw I vote menulibre. it doesn't pull in too much and it just works. [23:08] yeah except when it doesn't [23:08] when you try to get fancy (more than just moving categories) it's problematic