[00:03] <Woodpecker> Hey how can I properly uninstall my nvidia drivers? They are not working, and are raising hell on my computer, and I want to opt for the drivers provided by nvidia.
[00:03] <Woodpecker> it complains however that my kernel already has distro nvidia drivers, and wont install them.
[00:04] <oerheks> go into the driver menu, switch back to nouveau, and reboot
[00:04] <oerheks> that is, if you used the original repo drivers
[00:07] <Bashing-om> Woodpecker: Find the .run file for the uninstall operation: sudo find / -name "NVIDIA-Linux-*" - you have to run the .run file again with --uninstall: sudo NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.38.run --uninstall . For example.
[00:08] <Woodpecker> hmmmm okay
[00:08] <oerheks> wonder why they are not working
[00:09] <Woodpecker> oerheks: it beats me. When selected on them, I had to boot to a commandline, and it was spitting out this constant message that made typing almost impossible.
[00:09] <Woodpecker> Im also getting this error W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gp102/sec2/image-1.bin for module nouveau
[01:14] <Woodpecker> Im giving up on installing the manual nvidia drivers
[01:15] <Woodpecker> it errors out because I am using Kernel 5.0
[01:17] <mat88> Woodpecker: Why are you doing that ?
[01:30] <Diebuntu> Hello! I'm having problems with my wifi, it's not recognizing the adapter. This happened before when I was using 19.04 and did this steps http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/04/nstall-rtl8723de-wifi-driver-ubuntu-19-04/ but now, after upgrading to 19.10 I'm having the same issue again. As far remember with dkms this shouldn't have happened
[01:30] <Diebuntu> even after a kernel change. I'm running Ubuntu Studio.
[01:32] <Diebuntu> My laptop uses the Realtek RTL8723DE
[01:36] <Diebuntu> I guess my only question is, if I follow those steps again, will I have a problem? I'm asking because I already did it once.
[01:38] <sarnold> Diebuntu: it might be weird if you have two git clones of that module sources
[01:38] <sarnold> Diebuntu: doublecheck with dkms status before adding another copy
[01:38] <Diebuntu> How do I do that?
[01:39] <sarnold> run "dkms status" and see what the output .. if the driver is already listed, then maybe investigate. if it's not listed, then keep going
[01:39] <Diebuntu> It is listed rtlwifi-new, 0.6, 5.0.0-32-lowlatency, x86_64: installed
[01:40] <sarnold> lsmod? dmesg?
[01:41] <Diebuntu> Should I paste the output on a pastebin or am I looking for something in particular?
[01:42] <sarnold> for lsmod, your module; for dmesg, a pastebin might be better, it's hard to say what exactly might indicate a relevant error
[01:42] <chieta> Im on sitting_here(10.8.0.16) using vpn connection to the VPN server so i could connect via ssh to over_here(10.8.0.17)… from over_here i could access the webserver @over_there(192.168.8.8)... how to im on sitting_here to access all services provided @over_there via @over_here? Should the traffic conf be set on vpn server or on the client or even
[01:42] <chieta> on the over_here?
[01:42] <Diebuntu> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XXDVJpB2vc/ - I must say right now I'm connected through usb tethering with my android.
[01:45] <Diebuntu> Not entirely sure what I'm looking for with lsmod but I don't think I see my module, I do see a realtek though https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6tR45xDdjv/
[01:51] <sarnold> [   24.017004] Bluetooth: hci0: RTL: rtl: loading rtl_bt/rtl8723d_config.bin
[01:51] <sarnold> [   26.238297] Bluetooth: hci0: command 0xfc20 tx timeout
[01:52] <sarnold> those lines seem to show that an attempt was made to load firmware for your bluetooth controller but the attempt timed out
[01:53] <Diebuntu> I believe that's related too, bluetooth and wifi are the two issues I had to solve on 19.04.
[01:53] <sarnold> hmm... but line 19 of lsmod gives me the feeling that the bluetooth may be working with a different module ..
[01:55] <tomreyn> i guess it probably needs an updated lfinger driver
[01:55] <sarnold> ifinger?
[01:55] <tomreyn> larry finger
[01:55] <sarnold> oh god. this again.
[01:56] <tomreyn> https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new
[01:57] <sarnold> tomreyn: oh nice. though I can't tell from the first two paragraphs if it'll help :)
[01:58] <tomreyn> me neither ;) but so far it seemed to help whenever the chipset was listed
[01:58] <tomreyn> and that's the case here
[02:00] <Diebuntu> Thanks, but I'm still unsure of what I should do lol
[02:01] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: basically you'd follow the article you linked initally again
[02:03] <ph88> hi all
[02:03] <Diebuntu> I see, is there a way the driver is installed in the previous kernel only or something like that? I don't know about this. I'm just guessing.
[02:03] <Diebuntu> The previous kernel was 5.0.0-32-lowlatency and right now I'm Linux 5.3.0-19-lowlatency x86_64
[02:05] <tomreyn> so step 3 of this guide gets the latest driver version from github.com and step 4 sets it up on your system, using dkms, allowing for this very driver version to be built against your updated kernel images.
[02:06] <tomreyn> however, this doesn't necessarily cater across releases since you will get a much newer kernel version (not just patches to a main kernel version, as you get within an ubuntu release).
[02:06] <k_sze> I want to try the solution at the bottom of this page: https://www.dell.com/community/Inspiron/Linux-Inspiron-13-7380-wont-sleep/td-p/7283666
[02:07] <k_sze> Is it generally safe to set GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="mem_sleep_default=deep"?
[02:07] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: so you actually need to update the driver source code occasionally, such as on every new ubuntu release.
[02:08] <Diebuntu> I see, yeah that makes sense. So I should follow from step 3, right?
[02:08] <sarnold> k_sze: yes, undoing that if it doesn't work should be pretty easy, and if it dfoesn't work, you're probably only going to lose unsaved data when testing the suspend, which you likely already knew :)
[02:08] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: this is indeed not as it's supposed to me, you shouldn't have to work with github repositories. but unfortunately that is the current state of support for the chipset you bought there.
[02:09] <ph88> how can i install a package that is meant to run on 18.04 ?  https://nvidia.github.io/nvidia-docker/
[02:09] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: so in the future, you may want to shop more targetted, buying a piece of hardware where the manufacturer really cares for good linux support.
[02:10] <Diebuntu> Yes, that's what I have in mind for my next purchase. I'm actually thinking of buying a laptop with ubuntu preinstall. Sadly when I bought this laptop I had no choice, I needed one fast lol.
[02:11] <tomreyn> ph88: only software in ubuntu is supported here (it could be in ubuntu, you could search for it), for other software please contact the developers through the support channels they provide.
[02:12] <Woodpecker> mat88: because the ubuntu nvidia proprietary drivers are not working for me.
[02:13] <k_sze> hmm, I have /dev/ubuntu-vg/swap_1 but it doesn't show up in the output of `mount`. Is that normal?
[02:14] <k_sze> I's a 1 GB Swap (version 1), according to gnome-disks.
[02:14] <k_sze> s/I's/It's/
[02:14] <Diebuntu> When trying to follow step 3 I get fatal: destination path 'rtlwifi_new' already exists and is not an empty directory.
[02:16] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: delete the existing directory recursively
[02:17] <tomreyn> before you dkms install, be sure to remove the old one
[02:17] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: ^
[02:18] <Diebuntu> Oh I'm not sure I know how to do that
[02:18] <tomreyn> dkms remove rtlwifi_new
[02:19] <tomreyn> actually    dkms remove rtlwifi-new
[02:19] <tomreyn> maybe even     sudo dkms remove rtlwifi-new/0.6; sudo dkms remove rtlwifi-new
[02:20] <Diebuntu> Output is: Error! Invalid number of parameters passed.Usage: remove <module>/<module-version> --all   or: remove <module>/<module-version> -k <kernel-version>
[02:20] <Diebuntu> I assume I should remove the 0.6
[02:21] <tomreyn> yes, i think so
[02:21] <Diebuntu> Still same error
[02:21] <tomreyn> so what have you run exactly?
[02:21] <tomreyn> !pastebin
[02:22] <Diebuntu> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/39Nktk2vm5/
[02:22] <tomreyn> k_sze: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199689 suggetss that the 5.3 kernel should do better on suspend to ram
[02:22] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: ah sorry we'Re just missing --all
[02:23] <k_sze> No 5.3 kernel for me since I'm still on 18.04.
[02:23] <k_sze> I wonder if I should upgrade to 19.10.
[02:23] <tomreyn> k_sze: it's there via poposed in hwe-edge
[02:23] <tomreyn> !proposed
[02:24] <Diebuntu> So... sudo dkms remove rtlwifi-new/0.6 --all
[02:24] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: so thiat's    sudo dkms remove rtlwifi-new/0.6 --all
[02:24] <tomreyn> yes
[02:25] <Diebuntu> Yes, it's going through
[02:25] <k_sze> tomreyn, odd. The word "proposed" doesn't appear on either of those pages.
[02:26] <k_sze> Looks like that means pre-release.
[02:26] <Diebuntu> It's done, I should follow from step 3 now, right?
[02:27] <tomreyn> k_sze: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[02:27] <tomreyn> k_sze: yes it means pre-release
[02:29] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: yes. but before you do step five let me check whether it should still be 0-6
[02:29] <tomreyn> * 0.6
[02:31] <k_sze> How do I tell where my swap is coming from? `free` says I have 999420 MB of swap, but `mount` doesn't show any swap partition mounted.
[02:32] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: yes it's still 0.6
[02:32] <tomreyn> k_sze: cat /proc/swaps
[02:33] <k_sze> `/dev/dm-2                               partition	999420	0	-2`
[02:33] <Diebuntu> Awesome, thank you! I'll follow the steps now
[02:35] <Diebuntu> I'm still getting the same error, is it the folder I need to remove? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gF8x42WZ3c/
[02:35] <tomreyn> k_sze: lsblk /dev/dm-2
 Diebuntu: delete the existing directory recursively
[02:35] <tomreyn> so    rm -r ./rtlwifi_new/
[02:36] <k_sze> tomreyn, ah, ok. so it *is* ubuntu-vg--swap_1: ubuntu--vg-swap_1 253:2    0  976M  0 lvm  [SWAP]
[02:36] <tomreyn> k_sze: then this is ... good ... i guess?
[02:37] <k_sze> Why doesn't it show up in `mount` at all though? Conventionally, non LVM2 swap would show up in the output of `mount`.
[02:37] <k_sze> It's a bit confusing. :/
[02:38] <tomreyn> i don't think so. i think swap never shows up in "mount"
[02:40] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: does it seem to be working out?
[02:40] <Diebuntu> Yes, so far so good
[02:40] <Diebuntu> Thank you
[02:40] <Diebuntu> I'm on step 6
[02:42] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: when you're done, check if you already have a file /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723de.conf
[02:43] <tomreyn> i.e.    cat /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723de.conf
[02:45] <Diebuntu> Yes, I do have a .conf file with antenna 2 selected.
[02:45] <Diebuntu> And it already connected to the wifi
[02:46] <Diebuntu> So wifi is working, but I still don't have bluetooth adapter.
[02:47] <tomreyn> try a reboot
[02:48] <sarnold> maybe even a full power-off reboot -- I wonder if the timeout while loading firmware may or may not persist across 'simple' reboots but might be affected by a full power off
[02:48] <tomreyn> k_sze: actually you no longer need -proposed for 5.3 in ubuntu 18.04 since today, it's now the proper hwe-edge image
[02:49] <Ascavasaion> I would like the print manager to open and iconise on the taskbar when I print.  Instead of having to browse to the printer settings and view the print manager there.  Is it possible, and if so could someone point me in that direction please
[02:49] <Ascavasaion> ?
[02:50] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: i'd comment out the line in the /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf file about this module, since it may now work out of the box for you. only re-add (uncomment) it later if needed.
[02:50] <Diebuntu93> I'm sorry I got disconnected, I'm not sure I was able to read all
[02:50] <Diebuntu93> And now I can't login with diebuntu lol
[02:51] <tomreyn> Diebuntu93: now you can
[02:53] <mat88> Woodpecker: Did you tried install the nvidia drivers from ppa ?
[02:53] <Woodpecker> mat88: mmmmm I think I might have
[02:53] <Woodpecker> mat88: the only reason I say think, is because I was getting a signature error when running them
[02:54] <Woodpecker> which I thought might have meant a ppa signature
[02:54] <Woodpecker> yes
[02:54] <Woodpecker> http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu is in my sources
[02:55] <Diebuntu> I'm back, where can I check the logs to read the previous messages?
[02:57] <Ascavasaion> Diebuntu: I cut and pasted a few lines to https://pastebin.com/j6P6dh30
[02:57] <tomreyn> !irclogs | Diebuntu: here, but it's updated with a delay of ~ half an hour
[02:57] <Ascavasaion> Whoops, tomreyn ... did not mean to step on toes.
[02:57] <mat88> wodemoncafe: that is weird. Well I say that because from my experience installing the binary downloaded from the nvidia site is the worst experience
[02:57] <Woodpecker> mmm Im going to try disabling the source, and installing nvidia driver 390.
[02:58] <Diebuntu> okay, I'll try the reboot now
[02:58] <tomreyn> Ascavasaion: you didnt step on mine there, no worries
[03:02] <k_sze> tomreyn, eh, `apt search hwe-edge` doesn't show the kernel image, only headers and tools.
[03:02] <k_sze> (that's after already having `apt update`'ed)
[03:06] <tomreyn> k_sze: linux-generic-hwe-18.04-edge
[03:06] <Diebuntu> I'm back, wifi is working, bluetooth is still not found.
[03:07] <k_sze> tomreyn, ah, ok. Thanks
[03:07] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: can you share your logs?   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:07] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: and did you comment out ant_sel?
[03:07] <Diebuntu>  journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:08] <Diebuntu> No, I'm not sure what you meant by that.
 Diebuntu: when you're done, check if you already have a file /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723de.conf
 i.e.    cat /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723de.conf
 Yes, I do have a .conf file with antenna 2 selected.
 Diebuntu: i'd comment out the line in the /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf file about this module, since it may now work out of the box for you. only re-add (uncomment) it later if needed.
[03:09] <Diebuntu> Sorry, didn't paste the link https://termbin.com/q09z
[03:09] <k_sze> tomreyn, does edge eventually get "promoted" to non-edge?
[03:11] <k_sze> looks like it does. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack#hwe-16.04-edge
[03:11] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: actually, look like i misread what you wrote about what ant_sel is set to, so just ignore this part
[03:12] <tomreyn> k_sze: yes it does
[03:14] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: is bluetooth locked via rfkill?
[03:17] <Diebuntu> Is this what you mean https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NNqqW3JSD7/
[03:17] <tomreyn> oh the timeout is still there:  kernel: Bluetooth: hci0: command 0xfc20 tx timeout
[03:17] <tomreyn> yes thats what i meant
[03:18] <tomreyn> but it's not inactive
[03:18] <tomreyn> do you see it listed in settings -> bluetooth?
[03:18] <tomreyn> i.e. are you able to switch it on in the top right corner there
[03:19] <Diebuntu> Yes, I can turn it on and off, but when I try to setup a new device I get a pop up saying "no adapters found"
[03:22] <tomreyn> i see. maybe another driver is needed for the bluetooth
[03:27] <Diebuntu>  Okay, so i should look for RTL8723DE bluetooth driver, right?
[03:28] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: i'm not sure really. *maybe*. what does htis output?   ls -l /lib/firmware/rtl_bt/rtl8723d*
[03:28] <Diebuntu> https://pastebin.com/dYi9dwjs
[03:31] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: ah there was a recent update to the firmware
[03:31] <tomreyn> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/log/rtl_bt/rtl8723d_fw.bin
[03:32] <Diebuntu> I see, so I need to update that one too?
[03:33] <dr`venom> I'm having trouble changing the background of the login screen (Lock Screen?). Under settings -> background, I set one of the images to be background and lock screen, but the lockscreen continues to be that violet color with the ubuntu logo.
[03:33] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: sudo -i      then  cd /lib/firmware/rtl_bt; mv rtl8723d_fw.bin rtl8723d_fw.bin.orig; wget https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/rtl_bt/rtl8723d_fw.bin ; exit
[03:35] <Diebuntu> Done, should I reboot?
[03:36] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: reloading the module would be enough, but  rebooting should also work if this fixed it
[03:37] <tomreyn> i assume the module is called rtl8723d or rtl_bt
[03:38] <tomreyn> you'd      sudo modprobe -rv rtl8723d rtl_bt     to remove both modules (if those exist), then     sudo modprobe -v rtl8723d
[03:39] <Diebuntu> Nope, not found modprobe not found
[03:39] <Diebuntu> modprobe: FATAL: Module rtl8723d not found.
[03:39] <Diebuntu> modprobe: FATAL: Module rtl_bt not found.
[03:39] <tomreyn> well then maybe rebooting is faster ;)
[03:47] <Diebuntu> I'm back, still no adapters found.
[03:49] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: hmm, can you run:   sha256sum /lib/firmware/rtl_bt/rtl8723d* /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8723defw.bin
[03:50] <Diebuntu> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/m5CV9q4p8w/
[03:52] <tomreyn> Diebuntu:hmm yes those are the latest
[03:52] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: lets check the log again:    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:53] <Diebuntu> https://termbin.com/zbgd
[03:59] <tomreyn> Diebuntu: so the bluetooth issue remains this - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3RMP5GDsDF/ - i'm afraid i can't seem to find a solution to this problem right now, and also need to get some sleep
[04:01] <Diebuntu> Yes, I understand. You've been very helpful
[04:01] <Diebuntu> Thank you a lot!
[04:01] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[04:42] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[04:43] <raddy> What is the best way to install ubuntu along with Windows nowadays ?
[04:43] <raddy> Is Wubi still the go to option ?
[04:52] <Fifty> Got a wee bit of a problem. I've a server up and running, and it constantly drops down in performance, so ping just skyrockets for no reason.
[04:52] <Fifty> But! I found that it correlates to the clock speed. The ping skyrockets when Linux has the CPU go down to idle speeds
[04:53] <Fifty> How do I stop that from happening, so Ubuntu doesn't downclock the cores?
[05:02] <doug16k> Fifty, try: sudo cpupower frequency-set --governor performance
[05:03] <doug16k> also try schedutil instead of performance
[05:03] <Fifty> Says command not found, unfortunately.
[05:03] <Fifty> Tried to install that one earlier, and the package can't be found when doing sudo apt install cpupower
[05:03] <Fifty> I think I found the ticket with cpufreq-set, tho: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/cpufreq-set.1.html
[05:03] <doug16k> you'd need linux-tools
[05:04] <doug16k> and probably linux-tools-$(uname -r)
[05:06] <Fifty> Hmm. Alright, I tried that. But the terminal says that it's a virtual package, and offers a bunch of oddly named...Things. Screenshot: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/cpufreq-set.1.html
[05:07] <doug16k> try the cpupower command again, should be there now
[05:07] <Fifty> Nope, says command not found.
[05:08] <Fifty> However, I did manage to change the governer with cpufreq-set. But don't see any difference, and it didn't print anything to the terminal
[05:08] <doug16k> did you do all the cpus?
[05:08] <doug16k> that's why cpufreq-set sucks. cpupower will do them all for you
[05:09] <Fifty> Err, probably not. I just typed in: sudo cpufreq-set -g performance
[05:09] <doug16k> how many cpus on that?
[05:09] <Fifty> There's 4 cores, 8 threads.
[05:09] <Fifty> But didn't pass anything like that to the command
[05:10] <doug16k> this will do them all: for c in {0..7}; do sudo cpu-freq -c $c -g performance; done
[05:10] <Fifty> That's a bash, aye? Lessee if I can get that to work
[05:10] <doug16k> it is
[05:11] <doug16k> oops, cpufreq-set actually
[05:11] <doug16k> not cpu-freq
[05:12] <Fifty> Right, saved that to a .sh, ran it, don't see any diff the now via lscpu
[05:12] <Fifty> I'll join the server, see if it still drops
[05:12] <Fifty> Thanks for the help so far
[05:13] <doug16k> you can use turbostat to monitor cpu throttling/boost closely
[05:14] <doug16k> or sudo atop
[05:15] <doug16k> if you really want wide-open-throttle, you can pass a minimum frequency in the cpufreq-set loop, with --min
[05:15] <doug16k> usually that's a bit overkill but it can be used to rule out boost pr governor as the cause
[05:15] <Fifty> Aye I was thinking of doing that.
[05:16] <Fifty> Setting it to governor still causes the frequency to fall, unfortunately.
[05:16] <doug16k> linux's "performance" governor is not comparable to windows. windows' sets min to the base freq, linux performance governor just makes it more apt to max it out but still throttles down when it is near idle
[05:18] <doug16k> it's probably not the governor causing a problem if I had to guess though. but not a bad idea to rule that out at least by measurement
[05:19] <doug16k> ping is very very easy on the cpu. next to nothing
[05:19] <Fifty> Aye just ruling it out like. I've done all the obvious stuff with wine commands and such, now I got to do this stuff.
[05:19] <doug16k> you can probably saturate your NIC with your cpu at min freq
[05:19] <Fifty> What happens is, the server software suddenly has it's ping skyrocket, due to it's main loop (displayed as Server FPS) suddenly taking longer
[05:20] <Fifty> I noticed that it directly correlated to the clockspeed, and others have had the same issue with Wine applications
[05:20] <doug16k> ah, game server? ya set min to the max frequency then
[05:20] <doug16k> games hate governors
[05:22] <doug16k> I'd run cpufreq-info, look at the frequency range it reports "within X and Y" and make that cpufreq-set --min Y
[05:23] <Fifty> Hmm. The clockspeed still drops below what I set --min to
[05:23] <Fifty> I'll give that a shot
[05:24] <Fifty> Aye it says between 1.6G0 GHz - 3.90 GHz
[05:24] <Fifty> And is using the intel_pstate driver
[05:25] <doug16k> then --min 3900M should do it
[05:26] <Fifty> It should, but it still drops. Bizarre. Even did it manually in the terminal. Changed the .sh batch file to: for c in {0..7}; do sudo cpufreq-set -c $c --min 3400;
[05:26] <Fifty> Literally just that in the .sh
[05:26] <doug16k> how are you watching the frequency?
[05:27] <doug16k> if using turbostat, look at Bzy_MHz column
[05:27] <Fifty> With watch -nl
[05:27] <doug16k> watch what
[05:28] <doug16k> I'd use sudo turbostat and look at Bzy_MHz column
[05:28] <Fifty> Ah, sorry. Let me get the command
[05:28] <Fifty> Gotta copy paste as it's got that funky line symbol
[05:29] <Fifty> Here we are. The command I punt into the terminal is: watch -n1 "lscpu | grep 'CPU MHz' | awk '{print $1}'"
[05:29] <Fifty> I'll give turbostat a run
[05:31] <Fifty> Agh, it's part of those linux utils
[05:32] <doug16k> why is that a problem though?
[05:32] <Fifty> Couldn't figure out which one to install and how
[05:33] <doug16k> I suggested already: sudo apt install linux-tools-$(uname -r)
[05:33] <doug16k> that will automagically use the one for your kernel
[05:33] <Fifty> Oh I didn't see that
[05:33] <Fifty> My bad
[05:36] <Fifty> Aye according to Byz_MHz they're around 3500-3600MHz
[05:36] <Fifty> I'll try now and see if that fixed it. Thanks again.
[05:36] <doug16k> good luck :)
[05:38] <Fifty> Damn, that didn't fix the issue.
[05:38] <doug16k> what does this say: sensors
[05:38] <doug16k> (to check cpu temperature)
[05:39] <Fifty> The highest it's seen for core temp is 58
[05:39] <Fifty> Package temp 60
[05:39] <doug16k> that's fine
[05:40] <Fifty> A big possible fault is that I have to run it through WINE.
[05:40] <Fifty> Native linux game servers run fine. Just this one for Conan Exiles has shoddy performance
[05:40] <doug16k> can you do this and try to reproduce: watch -n 0.5 sensors
[05:41] <doug16k> under load cpu temp can skyrocket. checking at idle is almost meaningless
[05:41] <doug16k> or better yet, have that running and in another terminal: stress -c $(nproc)
[05:41] <Fifty> Oh what I do, is I make the PuTTY terminal always on top, then hop into the game with this PC
[05:41] <doug16k> will peg every cpu
[05:41] <Fifty> Gotcha
[05:42] <Fifty> Unfortunately, "watch -n 0.5 sensors" doesn't work.
[05:42] <Fifty> "Sensors not found"
[05:43] <doug16k> probably need: sudo apt install lm-sensors
[05:44] <Fifty> Aye there we go
[05:44] <Fifty> Temperatures are fine, doesn't go past 60 with the server running
[05:44] <Fifty> Lets see the stress test
[05:45] <doug16k> the mass of a cpu die is so low, it can shoot up 30C in a split second under load. I've been fooled by idle temps before
[05:46] <Fifty> Don't have the stress command either. The server is under light load, about 10% on each thread.
[05:46] <doug16k> had a machine that looked like it never went over 60C that actually shot up to 90+ under pegged load
[05:47] <doug16k> sudo apt install stress
[05:47] <Fifty> Oh my. Restarted the server, and one of the cores reached 70C when loading everything
[05:48] <doug16k> 70 is not too bad. it will start halting at around > 80 though
[05:48] <doug16k> depends on the exact cpu
[05:48] <Fifty> It's ivybridge, so it can take those temps
[05:53] <doug16k> another thing to try is: sudo perf top
[05:54] <doug16k> actually, sudo perf top -z
[05:54] <doug16k> reproduce the performance issue and see what shoots up to the top. it might tell you what's doing it
[05:55] <Fifty> Good idea, I'll do that the now
[06:02] <Fifty> 28% perl perl_scalarvoid23% perl perl_yyparse18% perl Perl_slab_alloc20% perl Perl_leave_scope8% kernl __schedule
[06:02] <Fifty> There were other spikes that I couldn't copy down in time
[06:02] <Fifty> Ew it broke formatting
[06:02] <Fifty> https://pastebin.com/bvp0tDhu
[06:03] <Fifty> This as well: 25% libc.2.29.so
[06:04] <Fifty> As well as: 32% perl Perl_Op_Free
[06:05] <Fifty> Perl seems to be the culprit. There's loads of Perl shared objects, but a couple of them suddenly reach high CPU usage for a few seconds
[06:13] <doug16k> strange, what would be doing a lot of perl in that scenario?
[06:15] <Fifty> No idea, to be quite honest. It doesn't even use perl, it's built on Unreal Engine 4.
[06:15] <doug16k> perhaps it is watching for filesystem changes and getting sprayed with inotify?
[06:15] <doug16k> is the program in your home directory?
[06:15] <Fifty> It's in /home/steam/servers/conanexiles
[06:16] <Fifty> Now I just restarted the dedicated server, no software running.
[06:16] <Fifty> Yet perl is still using a bunch of the CPU.
[06:17] <Fifty> Same with libc: https://i.imgur.com/GIFS4Yf.png
[06:17] <Fifty> Very strange.
[06:18] <doug16k> I'm guessing the perl is probably something running in the background unrelated to your workload
[06:19] <doug16k> bigger guess: and your workload is causing tons of file changes in your home directory, causing the perl to work hard chasing after all the changes
[06:19] <Fifty> That's the thing. The Conan Exiles server isn't even running.
[06:20] <Fifty> And it's getting the same Perl CPU usage.
[06:20] <doug16k> ah
[06:20] <Fifty> Is there a way to see which service or process is running that perl stuff?
[06:21] <doug16k> run htop, press t, look for perl in the list
[06:22] <doug16k> press < and choose sort by PERCENT_CPU
[06:23] <doug16k> ah, tree view defeats the sort
[06:23] <doug16k> in non-tree view do you see perl near the top when sorting by percent cpu?
[06:23] <Fifty> Gi'es a moment, trying to figure out what I'm exactly looking at here :P
[06:24] <doug16k> list of running processes
[06:24] <Fifty> Oh aye, i gathered that much
[06:24] <Fifty> Just overwhelmin
[06:24] <doug16k> if you apply the sort by cpu with <, the most relevant ones will be at the top
[06:27] <Fifty> Odd, it's not showing anything sucking up the CPU in htop, when the perl usage spikes happen.
[06:27] <Fifty> Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/Yeiu9wa.png
[06:29] <doug16k> looks like it is x2go using perl though
[06:29] <Fifty> Oooh.
[06:30] <doug16k> heavy screen changes cause spikes maybe?
[06:30] <Fifty> I'm not even connected to it at the moment.
[06:30] <Fifty> I wonder...Can I kill the process somehow?
[06:30] <Fifty> Or, err, service. The x2go thing.
[06:31] <doug16k> sudo service x2goserver stop
[06:33] <Fifty> Now CPU usage shown in htop is 0% for all the cores, the kernel now being in the high percentages on that perf top window
[06:33] <Fifty> If x2go was the problem, I'm gonna scream.
[06:38] <Fifty> Nope, still getting that performance drop.
[06:38] <doug16k> are you actually using mysql for something?
[06:39] <doug16k> if not: sudo service mysql stop
[06:39] <Fifty> That's for another server program. Not using it right now though, couldn't get it to create the MySQL databases yet.
[06:39] <Fifty> Good idea
[06:39] <doug16k> any partitions near full? check: df
[06:39] <Fifty> Nope, they've plenty of space.
[06:39] <doug16k> ext perf goes through the floor when near full
[06:40] <Fifty> I've 2x1TB, and only used around 50GB total
[06:41] <doug16k> ssd write performance can go awful when near full too
[06:41] <doug16k> ssds?
[06:41] <Fifty> Nope, using HDDs. That did come to mind a few hours ago tho.
[06:42] <Fifty> Contacted Hetnzer, see if they'll let me buy an SSD.
[06:42] <Fifty> Got a screenshot when the performance cratered again: https://i.imgur.com/Bb3oa2B.png
[06:43] <Fifty> This time, it's the Kernel that's gone red in top
[06:44] <doug16k> wow, that's an awful lot of timer interrupts
[06:45] <Fifty> I wonder if that's due to one of these launch commands for the server program
[06:45] <Fifty> I'll try removing it
[06:50] <Fifty> I'm not getting as many interrupts, but the performance still craters. perf-3404.map appears to be a culprit. https://i.imgur.com/d2XSJp4.png
[06:50] <Fifty> Err, perf-4304.map rather
[06:51] <Fifty> Kernal as well, with the symbol import_iovec https://i.imgur.com/Zzy0nl9.png
[06:54] <doug16k> what does this say: uname -r
[06:55] <Fifty> 5.0.0-32-generic
[07:01] <doug16k> how about: ps -p 4304
[07:12] <Fifty> PID - 4304, TTY - pts/3, TIME - 00:13:04, CMD - ConanSandboxServer
[07:12] <Fifty> So half of it is due to that .map thing
[07:31] <doug16k> Fifty, that's the actual workload though right? probably not much you can do at host level about that, you'd have to look into performance issues with that program itself under wine
[07:32] <Fifty> Aye, sounds about right. It's just sad that it runs better when hosting on my own desktop, while also playing the game. Couldn't find a thing about using it with wine
[07:43] <Fifty> Thanks for the help so far. Gonna head off to bed the now.
[08:36] <zetheroo> I have a fresh install of Ubuntu 18.04 server with Freeradius installed from the Ubuntu repos. On boot the Freeradius service doesn't start.
[08:38] <ayew> what does systemctl status have to say?
[08:38] <ayew> or journalctl
[08:39] <zetheroo> systemctl freeradius status
[08:39] <zetheroo> Unknown operation freeradius.
[08:40] <ayew> otherway around, it should be systemctl status freeradius
[08:40] <doug16k> zetheroo, status comes before the service namm,e
[08:40] <ayew> that order would work if you invoke "service"
[08:41] <zetheroo> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/syQB32ZjCg/
[08:41] <zetheroo> the service starts fine if I do 'service freeradius start'
[08:41] <zetheroo> but doesn't start after reboot
[08:44] <ayew> what about journalctl -u freeradius.service
[08:44] <ayew> should tell a little more info
[08:46] <zetheroo> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/V5RhVG7wCk/
[08:46] <zetheroo> looks like the output of /var/log/freeradius/radius.log
[08:47] <ayew> hmm it seems to start fine, then be forced to restart by 'radius freeradius[19142]: rlm_sql (sql): Removing connection pool' until it meets the amount of restarts allowed by the service file and fails
[08:48] <ayew> you'll have to follow that up with freeradius, because I'm not familiar with it and i cant see anything that could be going on wrong with the service file configuration
[08:49] <zetheroo> ok
[08:49] <zetheroo> strange though that when the system is running I can start the service
[09:02] <silv3r_m00n> hi there, i need some help configuring postfix on my server, i need to whitelist a certain sender by its address, for example bob@outlook.com, postfix is currently countering it as spam.
[09:49] <freelancerbob> can you see picture thumbnail on smartphone in Ubuntu ?
[09:49] <freelancerbob> it is bug ?
[10:17] <doug16k> freelancerbob, what?
[10:17] <doug16k> on smartphone in ubuntu?
[10:26] <Wulf> If you connect your smartphone (e.g. via usb) to your ubuntu PC, will it display thumbnails of the pictures that are stored on the smartphone?
[10:26] <Wulf> I hope I got that interpretation right :-)
[10:29] <ryuo> Wulf: no it probably won't. they use MTP/PTP for file transfer and ubuntu would have to transfer the files in whole first before it could generate a thumbnail. that's unlikely to happen due to the performance impact. copy them over first if you want that.
[10:58] <danslo> hey everyone. I just upgraded from 19.04 to 19.10. When I boot it brings me to the login screen where I can "unlock", but when entering correct password it just takes me to the same screen. Lock screen does not want to go away. Any ideas?
[10:59] <danslo> journalctl doesn't say anything weird: https://gist.github.com/danslo/df9fb0103863e7caed6990a7ee4992f7
[11:02] <danslo> Manually executing `systemctl restart gdm` managed to get me in, would suck to do this everytime I boot
[11:02] <ericus> hi
[11:02] <ericus> simple question I guess
[11:03] <ericus> alias teamspeak='TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64/./ts3client_runscript.sh'
[11:04] <ericus> how do I run this without leaving a terminal open?
[11:04] <ericus> should it be alias teamspeak='TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64/./ts3client_runscript.sh &'?
[11:10] <ericus> if I close the terminal Teamspeak closes
[11:11] <tarzeau> then try ctrl-z, bg, disown before you close terminal
[11:11] <tarzeau> and learn about job control of your $SHELL
[11:12] <tarzeau> ericus: teamspeak & disown; exit
[11:12] <ericus> thanks tarzeau
[11:16] <ericus> how did I not know that of almost 20 years of linux?..
[11:16] <ericus> embarrasing
[11:18] <tarzeau> i also only learnt it 15 years ago, when playing nethack (too often pressing ctrl-z by accident, to figure out with jobs and fg to be back rolling)
[11:18] <tarzeau> and ctrl-s/ctrl-q
[11:19] <ericus> fuck. What is the standard media player for videos? I'm on a fresh install, a video is looping
[11:20] <ericus> no open windows, ps ax doesnt tell me anything that seems like a media player
[11:21] <ericus> banshee.
[11:21] <ericus> Wasnt expecting that
[11:22]  * tarzeau uses mplayer some use mpv, others vlc
[11:24] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:25] <ericus> howdy
[11:27] <bster> "apt-get update" downloads a >50MB file (bionic-updates amd64 Contents); is it essential? If not, how would I go about making it stop doing that?
[11:34] <bubbler> Hi. I just got banned by using '/nick <somenick>' to check for a nickname not registered yet. What did I do wrong?
[11:37] <Habbie> bubbler, this channel requires you to be registered
[11:38] <ryuo> bubbler: this is a +r channel. you changed to an unregistered nick.
[11:38] <ryuo> and +q isn't a ban.
[11:38] <ryuo> it's quiet. it just silences you.
[11:39] <bubbler> Aaaah... Ok... thx... Just started using irc and i don't want to start as being a problem ;)
[11:39] <Wulf> bubbler: to check if a nickname is registered: /msg nickserv info bob2
[11:40] <bubbler> Wulf: thx again
[11:50] <ryuo> bster: it's used for having a consolidated list of files provided by the packages.
[11:50] <ryuo> bster: afaik it's used to find out what package provides a specific file.
[11:51] <ryuo> if it's not already installed
[11:51] <ryuo> one known user is apt-file
[11:52] <bster> ah, thanks. I certainly do have apt-file; I'll try removing it. (right?)
[11:52] <ryuo> bster: No... that won't change whether it's retrieved or not.
[11:52] <bster> oh.
[11:52] <ryuo> i was explaining why it exists.
[11:53] <ryuo> i don't know what else it's used for.
[11:53] <ryuo> perhaps there's an apt setting.
[11:54] <bster> thanks.
[11:55] <ryuo> though you can prune how many it maintains by reducing your sources lists.
[11:55] <ryuo> if there's any you don't need.
[11:56] <ryuo> not sure that's a practical option though
[11:58] <bster> ah, yes there are four large Contents files downloaded, not just one. but they're for the {security,updates} {i386,adm64} ... think i'd like to keep those sources :)
[11:59] <bster> well ... would it be crazy to remove the i386 ones? sorry if that's a stupid question.
[12:00] <ryuo> bster: seems regular apt doesn't use them? my server w/o apt-file doesn't have them at all.
[12:02] <bster> sounds like removing apt-file might be at least worth a try? unless you're sure
[12:04] <ryuo> bster: it's not essential, no, but i don't know if removing apt-file will change its behavior.
[12:05] <ryuo> but evidently they're not downloaded if apt-file was never installed.
[12:06] <bster> yep. removing apt-file seems to work. (assuming my test with "sudo dpkg --configure -a", "apt-get update" is valid.)
[12:07] <bster> it's a big relief. thanks.
[12:08] <ryuo> sure...? though not sure why it matters.
[12:11] <bster> the total was 162MB, which takes about 160 s here. the rest takes about 2 s. i don't use this system frequently. now i can boot it and install a package without a "make coffee" step.
[12:14] <bster> all done. think i'll make coffee. thanks again, and good evening.
[12:15] <wxb> Hi, trying out Xubuntu 18 LTS live on an HP laptop and it won't detect Wifi card. What can I do?
[12:16] <wxb> Keyboard also not working...
[12:17] <wxb> Oh, keyboard is good now, but no wifi
[12:18] <ryuo> wxb: need more information.
[12:18] <guiverc2> wxb, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide is general doco; the device is useful to detect what hardware you have (ie. chipset used in your box) and drivers necessary; but not always possible to use with 'live' (as may require reboot; and changes don't survive  live-reboots); sorry I can't walk-thru
[12:19] <wxb> ryuo, Sure. What info?
[12:19] <ryuo> wxb: i'd start by trying to figure out what PCI and USB devices are detected.
[12:20] <ryuo> output of lspci and lsusb would be appreciated.
[12:20] <wxb> ryuo, Okay. via CLI?
[12:20] <wxb> ryuo, This will be challenging as I don't have internet on that machine.
[12:20] <ryuo> there's 3 main ways wifi can be connected to the machine.
[12:20] <ryuo> no ethernet?
[12:20] <wxb> nope
[12:20] <ryuo> o.O
[12:20] <ryuo> ok, let's try keeping it simple then.
[12:20] <wxb> I see network controller!
[12:21] <wxb> with lscpi
[12:21] <ryuo> lspci | grep Network
[12:21] <ryuo> and what line is it?
[12:21] <ryuo> wifi is usually connected through PCIE but there's some rare cases where it's USB or SDIO.
[12:22] <wxb> "02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Limited BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01)
[12:22] <wxb> "
[12:22] <ryuo> eww. but that's why.
[12:22] <wxb> ??
[12:22] <wxb> No support?
[12:23] <ryuo> Not that. But the driver isn't installed by default.
[12:23] <wxb> Ah. Cool!
[12:23] <wxb> Where could I pick it up?
[12:23] <ryuo> but how do you install it without networking?
[12:23] <ryuo> lol
[12:23] <wxb> via usb?
[12:23] <wxb> flash drive?
[12:23] <ryuo> broadcom-sta-dkms is the package afaik.
[12:24] <ryuo> wxb: for future reference you might want to have some usb ethernet dongles if you have devices without it. it would greatly help to have that during initial setup.
[12:25] <ryuo> since ethernet is almost always supported OOB though wifi sometimes is not.
[12:25] <wxb> ryuo, Totally!
[12:31] <wxb> is it possible to add that package to the live instance to see if wifi will work?
[12:31] <wxb> like could I install the deb package?
[12:32] <ryuo> wxb: ... not likely. that's DKMS. it has to build the kernel module before it can work. it's not like a windows driver.
[12:32] <ryuo> wxb: you may also want to update the BIOS if it's not current.
[12:33] <ryuo> that tends to fix compatibility issues, especially with HP models.
[12:33] <ryuo> though that's optional.
[12:33] <wxb> DKMS?
[12:34] <ryuo> wxb: a system for managing third party kernel module packages.
[12:34] <wxb> ryuo, cool. thx
[12:34] <ryuo> it automates the whole process of building or rebuilding them.
[12:35] <ryuo> also note you may need to disable secure boot if it's enabled because these won't work with secure boot unless configured correctly.
[12:36] <ryuo> your best option is to try to figure out what packages you're missing and then install via apt/dpkg locally.
[12:36] <ryuo> since it lacks any other method of networking.
[13:01] <ericus> My displays are fucking up each time screen saver turns on or I physically power off a monitor
[13:01] <ericus> how can I permantently save the settings I have?
[13:01] <ericus> Ubuntu 19.04 with XFCE
[13:02] <BluesKaj> !language | ericus
[13:03] <gp> Is it possible to share network folders restricted by LDAP machine group?
[13:03] <gp> 100ft view =) where would i start
[13:37] <Guest_8> Hi can anyone help me connect my android phone with gs connect?
[13:38] <helppl0x> Hey guys, I'm trying to downgrade my kernel to version 4.15, im currently on ubuntu 19.04(kde desktop)
[13:39] <helppl0x> is ubuntu 19.04 compatible with the linux kernel v4.15?
[13:39] <Mathisen> why downgrade ?
[13:39] <helppl0x> for a course
[13:39] <helppl0x> we're learning how it works behind the scenes
[13:39] <helppl0x> i dont even need to permanently downgrade it
[13:40] <Mathisen> sounds more likea job for a VM if you ask me
[13:40] <helppl0x> just have the kernel so i can boot into it in grub
[13:40] <helppl0x> oo yea
[13:41] <helppl0x> they told us that we get a free VM on azure
[13:46] <helppl0x> @mathisen, for future reference and for the sake of learning, how can I check compatibility with kernels?
[13:48] <Mathisen> i cant speak for ubuntu im not a ubuntu user myself. but i would guess answer to your main question is you cant. as i belive you will get tons of dependecy issues. but again im not a a ubuntu user so someone else in herer should answer you
[13:49] <Mathisen> and i dont know where to check ubuntu kernel verison. other the ones in the repos
[13:49] <Mathisen> i would guess there also the one in the repos is suported otheones is not
[14:02] <leftyfb> Mathisen: if you're not an ubuntu user and can't help with ubuntu issues, why are you here?
[14:04] <Mathisen> well i dont see any guests not allowed sign :). no but for real it is a active channel and sometimes you can pick upp some nice tips that do work regarding of dist you on.
[14:05] <Mathisen> nothing wrong with that i belive ?
[14:06] <leftyfb> No. But answering with "I don't know" isn't really helpful. Let others chime in when they are available.
[14:07] <Mathisen> i thought i made it clear someone else should answer, but was i wrong in the answer ?
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> Mathisen: i think was leftyfb means is, when not using ubuntu and not using it, better let other volunteers handle it instead of saying 'dont know'
[14:10] <STMelon> i would agree
[14:11] <Mathisen> ok my bad then. i said it like that as i dont like to be guessing and wanted someone else to confirm i did give correct info. but il be silent from now
[14:22] <B|ack0p> hi
[14:22] <B|ack0p> i am getting report error popup again without any detail.
[14:22] <B|ack0p> i check var/log/ but no crash report there.
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: are you on ubuntu right now, or using another derivative again?
[14:23] <B|ack0p> system program problem detected"
[14:24] <B|ack0p> lotuspsychje: i am on ubuntu 18.04
[14:24] <B|ack0p> i didnt do anything didnt install anything .. just checking updates on terminal thats all
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: what about /var/crash ?
[14:26] <B|ack0p> hmm
[14:26] <B|ack0p> there are 6 reports
[14:28] <B|ack0p> 3 brasero.1000.crash -1 gnome shell.121.crash- 1 nautilus.121.crash - 1 xwayland.121.crasj
[14:28] <tomreyn> those without an .upload file haven't been reported, yet
[14:29] <B|ack0p> tomreyn: you telling me?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> xwayland probly explains it
[14:29] <B|ack0p> yea
[14:29] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: yes. you can manually report them using apport, or investigate them using apport-unpack
[14:29] <B|ack0p> there are 4 crash reports
[14:30] <B|ack0p> brasero-gnome shell-nautilus-xwayland
[14:30] <B|ack0p> tomreyn: how will i do that?
[14:30] <B|ack0p> otherday while i was burning dvd i forced to cancel brasero
[14:31] <B|ack0p> but it crashed and i had to reset the pc
[14:32] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: which of the two?
[14:33] <B|ack0p> tomreyn: what?
[14:34] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: you asked me "how will i do that?" which i assume was in response to me explainin "you can manually report them using apport, or investigate them using apport-unpack"
[14:34] <tomreyn> i'm wondering which of the two you're asking about
[14:35] <B|ack0p> tomreyn: i dont know how to do both :/
[14:35] <tomreyn> both commands have man pages anyways
[14:36] <B|ack0p> let me check
[14:42] <B|ack0p> ~$ apport-unpack /var/crash/_usr_bin_brasero.1000.crash
[14:42] <B|ack0p> Usage: /usr/bin/apport-unpack <report> <target directory>
[14:43] <tomreyn> so, what may have been wrong?
[14:43] <B|ack0p> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/apport-unpack.1.html
[14:43] <tomreyn> !man
[14:43] <B|ack0p>  report is either a path to an existing apport crash report, or '-' to read from
[14:43] <B|ack0p>   The target-directory must either be nonexisting or empty
[14:44] <tomreyn> right, so how would you run it correctly?
[14:45] <B|ack0p> no idea :/
[14:45] <timeless> is there anything one should do to deal w/ repositories not being current? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wljwXJNC/
[14:46] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: you just quoted the explanation. apport-unpack takes two arguments. the report, which is /var/crash/_usr_bin_brasero.1000.crash in your case. and a target directory where to unpack the report to.
[14:46] <tomreyn> you can freely choose it
[14:47] <B|ack0p> i dont know target directory :S
[14:47] <B|ack0p> should it be a file?
[14:47] <B|ack0p> empty file?
[14:47] <B|ack0p> let me check
[14:48] <tomreyn> timeless: did you run    apt update    beforehand?
[14:48] <B|ack0p> woa it unpacked a lot of files
[14:49] <B|ack0p> 37 items 98mb
[14:49] <timeless> tomreyn: yes.
[14:49] <timeless> tomreyn: the repository is behind, the version apt wants to get is newer than what that mirror is offering
[14:49] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: those .crash files are the same files in concatenated (and base64 encoded, if they are not just plain text) form.
[14:50] <timeless> and it would only do that because of an update...
[14:50] <B|ack0p> tomreyn: what do i suppose to do with those files now?
[14:51] <tomreyn> timeless: can you show     sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[14:51] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: that's up to you. ;)
[14:51] <B|ack0p> hmm
[14:52] <B|ack0p> no idea
[14:52] <timeless> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/yfy7
[14:53] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: your original issue was "i am getting report error popup again without any detail", which is a bug in apport / ubuntu-bug, and has been previously filed, i think (though it couldn't find the bug report quickly, you could look for a matching bug report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bugs?field.searchtext=system+problem )
[14:55] <B|ack0p> tomreyn: if that error caused by brasero probably it is because of my cancel of the process, but i have no idea about other 3 crashes (gnome-shell) - nautilus - xwayland
[14:55] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: you could just delete those .crash files if you wanted the report gone. or you could use ubuntu-bug path/to/report.crash    to submit it or you could inspect it now that you have unpacked it
[14:55] <B|ack0p> i would like to find actual error and fix it or stop that error report popup
[14:57] <tomreyn> timeless: i think there was some problem with those AWS mirror servers recently, maybe it's related. i suggest you ask in #ubuntu-mirrors
[14:59] <miu5> geirha, i removed the export lines that i have put in /etc/bash.bashrc  and after ran source /etc/bash.bashrc, exited the shell and re-opened, i did echo $JAVA_HOME  and it reverted back to /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-oracle.   Can you please tell me how to remove this old link?  i already ran sudo update-alternatives --config java
[15:00] <timeless> tomreyn: thanks
[15:01] <miu5> its showing me that old   /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-oracle   because i removed oracle-java11* before installing openjdk
[15:01] <tomreyn> you're welcome, timeless
[15:01] <geirha> miu5: sourcing /etc/bash.bashrc doesn't reset anything
[15:02] <geirha> miu5: run   unset JAVA_HOME   to get the variable unset
[15:02] <miu5> well im back now where i started before editing bashrc. so how do i resolve this issue old link
[15:03] <geirha> miu5: and see what  ''type -a java''  and  ''java -version''  says
[15:03] <miu5> geirha, i ran unset JAVA_HOME    re-did the echo in the same shell, came up empty,  re-opened a new shell and still showing the old version
[15:03] <geirha> miu5: that's because JAVA_HOME was set when you logged in
[15:03] <miu5> i mean its showing /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-oracle
[15:04] <miu5> type -a java    shows     bash: type: java: not found
[15:04] <miu5> Command 'java' not found
[15:05] <geirha> miu5: ok, ''update-java-alternatives --list'' lists the version you want?
[15:05] <miu5> this will all only work if i edit /etc/bash.bashrc however i dont want to do that
[15:05] <miu5> java-1.11.0-openjdk-amd64      1111       /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.11.0-openjdk-amd64
[15:05] <geirha> ok, then run  ''sudo update-java-alternatives --set java-1.11.0-openjdk-amd64''
[15:07] <miu5> geirha, ok now im getting the correct java -version reported.  however why does echo $JAVA_HOME  still show   /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-oracle
[15:07] <miu5> will a reboot re-set the JAVA_HOME ?
[15:08] <miu5> or re-login
[15:08] <geirha> because JAVA_HOME was set when you logged in, via /etc/profile or ~/.profile or /etc/environment or ~/.pam_environment
[15:09] <miu5> ok. but will it correct itself after logging in again?
[15:09] <geirha> miu5: if you removed the right line, it should be gone next time you log in
[15:09] <miu5> the right line from where?   you mean when i edited /etc/bash.bashrc?
[15:11] <geirha> miu5: possibly
[15:11] <geirha> there are many places it could be set
[15:11] <miu5> ok. geirha thanks for your help. really appreciate it.
[15:12] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: as blueskay pointed out earlier, the reason those apps crashed (and, i might add, maybe also the reason that you can't inspect their details on the GUI) is probably that you're using wayland there.
[15:13] <B|ack0p> tomreyn: thx. i am using default system.. i am not sure xwayland or xorg
[15:13] <B|ack0p> probably xwayland
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: xwayland crash log..
[15:14] <B|ack0p> yess
[15:14] <B|ack0p> so should i just wait for fix?
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: the users choice, what do you want? keep using wayland or xorg?
[15:16] <B|ack0p> btw is ubuntu considering changing gnome as default desktop or gnome considering to make gnome less hardware hungry?
[15:17] <B|ack0p> lotuspsychje: i was happy with default but if it s buggy i may consider something different
[15:17] <B|ack0p> how will i get xorg then?
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: how hungry gnome is, depends on your gnome version, and the tweaking of the user
[15:18] <B|ack0p> lotuspsychje: i mean latest gnome..
[15:18] <B|ack0p> default one
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: default latest one on wich ubuntu version?
[15:18] <B|ack0p> lotuspsychje: i told i am on 18.04 earlier :/
[15:19] <B|ack0p> 18.04.3 - gnome3 i guess?
[15:19] <B|ack0p> 64bit
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: the gnome version on 18.04 is slower then the newer gnome versions
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: but that doesnt mean, you cant tweak it
[15:19] <B|ack0p> oh i didnt know that
[15:20] <B|ack0p> i already tweaked
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: if you install 19.04 or 19.10 gnome will react much smoother
[15:20] <B|ack0p> i mean i would be happy if it supported old hardwares..
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: that depends how old the hardware is
[15:21] <B|ack0p> 15 :p
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: what kind of specs are we talking about?
[15:22] <B|ack0p> actually 13
[15:22] <B|ack0p> i am on x61s at the moment with intel core2 duo L7500 1.6ghz cpu+intel gpu (opengl 2.0) + 8gb ddr2 ram
[15:23] <B|ack0p> but i am talking about T60 which is older
[15:23] <B|ack0p> with Ati mobility radeon x1300 gpu
[15:24] <B|ack0p> +thinkpad
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: usually its reccomended to have 4GB ram for gnome3
[15:24] <B|ack0p> see 4gb ram is recommended
[15:24] <B|ack0p> not for older specs
[15:24] <B|ack0p> gnome will extremely slow with 2gb ram
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: but ive used 18.04 on an amd3200 with 2GB ram and ati X800 pretty well too (tweaked)
[15:24] <B|ack0p> will be*
[15:25] <B|ack0p> tweak doesnt work sometimes
[15:25] <B|ack0p> if you remember my bug report about thinkpad t60 - graphical and acpi issues
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: how about we move this to #ubuntu-discuss
[15:25] <B|ack0p> it wont help since there is nothing to do
[15:26] <oerheks> nor can we fix hardware issues.
[15:26] <B|ack0p> sure
[15:26] <B|ack0p> it s not fixing hardware it is about supporting i beleive
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: ubuntu-discuss this isnt about supporting anymore now
[15:27] <B|ack0p> ok
[15:30] <miu5> geirha, i now tried this on a VM to see and after installing java-1.11.0-openjdk-amd64      and    sudo update-java-alternatives --set java-1.11.0-openjdk-amd64     rebooted and when i ran echo $JAVA_HOME  it comes up empty ,    however java -version shows output.   why can it not find $JAVA_HOME  though?
[15:30] <geirha> you don't want JAVA_HOME set
[15:31] <miu5> oh ok.
[15:31] <geirha> JAVA_HOME you set when you want to use a custom version, leave it unset to use the system's default (which you set with update-java-alternatives)
[15:32] <miu5> ok thanks
[15:57] <Guest_8> Hello, I am having trouble with Gsconnect to integrate samsung phone to ubuntu can anyone advise on this? - I have installed everything but I am unable to connect
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> Guest_8: did you enable developing mode in android?
[15:58] <Guest_8> I dont think so
[16:00] <Guest_8> lotuspsychje I ran this command and it is connected, but how do i get this to happen automatically?
[16:00] <Guest_8> badger@thinkpad:~$ gapplication launch org.gnome.Shell.Extensions.GSConnect
[16:05] <tomreyn> Guest_8: maybe this extension wasn't enabled, yet? you can enable and disable extensions using gnome-tweaks -> extensions
[16:06] <Guest_8> do i nd to install gnome-tweak-tool ?
[16:07] <tomreyn> Guest_8: i *think* it's installed by default, but otherwise, yes
[16:08] <tomreyn> it's just called "gnome-tweaks" as a package, and just "tweaks" on the gnome menu
[16:10] <Guest_8> ok it wasnt installed i have now installed it and I can see the icon in the tray maybe this is all I needed
[16:10] <tomreyn> great :)
[16:12] <Guest_8> I presume this runs at start up so i think my issue is solved. thank you very much
[16:16] <tomreyn> Guest_8: yes, extensions you have enabled will be loaded automatically on login
[16:16] <Guest_8> ok thanks
[16:16] <Guest_8> I have one last seperate issue.
[16:17] <Guest_8> I set a background image in xchat. it makes the text hard to read. Is there anyway to remove this now? I can only seem to choose a new image and i would prefer no image
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> Guest_8: Just remove the text from the box that has the file path to the image
[16:18] <Guest_8> ah thats very simple. thanks
[16:18] <tomreyn> Guest_8: also consider switching to hexchat, xchat's development sstopped several years ago
[16:20] <Hellphyre23> i've enjoyed using weechat
[16:22] <MortezaE> Hi. I have read that there is no problem with deleting /var/log/journald/* My question is that how can I sync the disk content with journals before removing them? should I use sync command?
[16:22] <Jakdaw> Since upgrading to 19.10 SystemD doesn't seem to pick up DNS servers from my DHCP client when starting wifi using "ifup wlan0=mywifiprofile" - any ideas?
[16:23] <Jakdaw> pcap shows that they're in the DHCP-Offer
[16:23] <Jakdaw> they've been written to /var/run/systemd/resolved.conf.d/isc-dhcp-v4-wlan0.conf
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> Jakdaw: Use ifconfig to turn on and off your wifi
[16:24] <Jakdaw> but 'systemd-resolve --status' just doesn't show any DNS servers
[16:24] <Jakdaw> pragmaticenigma, to what end?
[16:24] <Jakdaw> pragmaticenigma, are you just saying "try turning it off and on again"? Did I fuck up and join #windows?
[16:25] <pragmaticenigma> Jakdaw: To the end that ifup is no longer supported to my knowledge ... they're still available, but the other tools handle sending signals to the appropriate services to trigger their updates
[16:25] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | Jakdaw
[16:26] <pragmaticenigma> Jakdaw: I'm not sure if ifconfig is right either... I'm trying to find the correct answer for you... There have been a lot of changes to network management in UBuntu since 14.04 and it is difficult to find a proper guide on it
[16:27] <Jakdaw> ifconfig isn't any good.... it doesn't do any of the wpa_supplicant shenanigans. I'm using Ubuntu server and there's no way in hell I'm going to near NetworkManager
[16:28] <Jakdaw> s/to\ //
[16:30] <pragmaticenigma> Jakdaw: Are you using netplan (as that is the default for Ubuntu server)
[16:31] <Jakdaw> don't believe so
[16:32] <Jakdaw> just /etc/networking/interfaces etc with ifupdown
[16:32] <pragmaticenigma> But you are using systemd-networkd as your network renderer?
[16:32] <Jakdaw> sorry /etc/network/interfaces
[16:32] <tomreyn> neither ifupdown nor ifconfig should be used nowadays. either user network-manager (default on desktops) or systemd-networkd (default on servers, configurations can be generated using netplan)
[16:33] <tomreyn> /etc/network/interfaces is legacy (but still works)
[16:33] <jialeens> :)
[16:34] <Jakdaw> I don't believe I'm using systemd-networkd (probably because I've upgraded from before it was default)
[16:34] <Jakdaw> and /etc/network/interfaces doesn't appear to be working - it's not learning the DNS server from the dhcp client
[16:35] <tomreyn> maybe it's actually no longer supported and i just didn't read those release notes yet
[16:35] <oerheks> systemctl status systemd-networkd
[16:35] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release are you on?
[16:35] <tomreyn> ah 19.10
[16:35] <tomreyn> !releasenotes
[16:35] <Jakdaw> I don't see anything in the release notes
[16:36] <Jakdaw> oerheks, loaded, disabled, inactive
[16:39] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#New_since_16.04_LTS
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> Jakdaw: That's likely part of the problem
[16:46] <Devrim> What would be the best way to get a newer version of apache2 when on an older Ubuntu version? Building from source seems like a huge hassle
[16:47] <tomreyn> upgrading ubuntu seems like a good approach
[16:47] <Devrim> 18.04 is still supported tho
[16:47] <Devrim> Being LTS and such
[16:47] <tomreyn> right, and you need a newer version of apache httpd because?
[16:47] <Devrim> I want to switch to TLS 1.3
[16:48] <Devrim> TLS 1.3 isn't supported out of the box on the version I am now
[16:48] <tomreyn> yes, there's a wishlist bug for this feature
[16:48] <Devrim> hmm
[16:49] <lordcirth> Apache 2.4.37+, apparently?
[16:49] <DirtyEar> When I try to open the X-AIR-Edit I got this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VCx7RxjQYn/    any ideas of how can I fixed?
[16:49] <lordcirth> 18.04 has 2.4.29-1ubuntu4.11
[16:49] <tomreyn> do you actually need TLSv1.3 though or is it more of a nice-to-have?
[16:49] <lordcirth> !info apache2 eoan
[16:49] <CarlFK> lxd might be an answer.  "best" would be upgrading Ubuntu
[16:49] <Devrim> more of a nice to have tomreyn
[16:49] <Devrim> lordcirth correct, 2.4.37+ seems to support it out of the box
[16:50] <jayjo> is there a 'hot-corners' in ubuntu 19.10 ? I had it working fine in 19.04, just upgraded
[16:50] <tomreyn> Devrim: then i'd suggest just holding back those horses until upgrades to 20.04 will be available
[16:50] <tomreyn> Devrim: (or do a fresh install if it becomes urgent, in april)
[16:51] <jayjo> ah, found it under 'tweaks'
[16:51] <oerheks> nginx 1.13 and OpenSSL 1.1.1 are needed for TSL 1.3
[16:51] <tomreyn> on 18.04, yes
[16:51] <Devrim> tomreyn if it was urgent I might have gone for compiling from source but since it isn't ;)
[16:51] <genii> Devrim: There's a PPA with TLS 1.3 enabled for Apache 2 on Bionic, if you feel brave.
[16:52] <Devrim> Ondrej PPA?
[16:52] <genii> Devrim: Yes, that's the one
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> jayjo: see also the cool new dconf-editor to tweak things around
[16:53] <Jakdaw> pragmaticenigma, I figured out how to kill off systemd-resolved (which is rubbish as you need to -x /lib/systemd/systemd-resolved as well as marking the service disabled for the dhclient-enter-hook not to screw with things) given I don't want systemd to be managing my networ
[16:53] <CarlFK> how do I change what timezone I'm in?
[16:53] <tomreyn> CarlFK: /etc/timezone , timedatectl
[16:53] <tomreyn> + tzconfig
[16:54] <CarlFK> huh - there isn't a clicky gui way?
[16:54] <pragmaticenigma> Jakdaw: It's going to be very hard for anyone here to help you as you have a far out edge case that isn't what the documentation for Ubuntu supports. You might want to try asking in #ubuntu-server as they're more focused on the server end of installs, other options are ##networking and ##linux
[16:55] <tomreyn> CarlFK: yes there is in   settings -> details -> Date & Time
[16:55] <tomreyn> CarlFK: but that's so easy to find i assumed you had looked at it already ;)
[16:55] <DirtyEar> Hi. I have a Behringer XR18 and it comes with and application to work with linux. I have used Ubuntu 16 but now I have ubuntu19 and the application opens but I cannot enter to any menu and it nevers conected to my mixer. Any idea of how to fixed it?
[16:56] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | DirtyEar
[16:56] <CarlFK> tomreyn: I was clicking around the clock.  which would show me what time it is, but not set to that.
[16:57] <tomreyn> CarlFK: but do you see it in settings now?
[16:57] <CarlFK> yes, thanks.  looking at settings has "automatic timezone.. requires internet"  which is set but didn't change.  any idea how that is spozed to work?
[16:58] <mgedmin> I think it uses IP geolocation to figure out what country you're in, then sets the timezone to that country
[16:58] <mgedmin> I expect it might get confused by VPNs and such
[16:58] <DirtyEar> ubottu: tomreyn: How can I now this?
[16:58] <tomreyn> CarlFK: i concur. you'd need to also enable Settings -> Privacy -> Location Services
[17:00] <tomreyn> DirtyEar: are you asking how you can *k*now which ubuntu version you'Re running? that's given on    settings -> details -> about   or you can run   lsb_release -ds
[17:01] <DirtyEar> tomreyn: Thanks. *know
[17:01] <DirtyEar> Is Ubuntu 19.10
[17:03] <genii> !info linux-image-lowlatency eoan
[17:03] <genii> Hm
[17:05] <genii> DirtyEar: Which application are you using, Ardour ?
[17:07] <DirtyEar> genii: Hi. I am using an application that works like the control surface of my mixer. But tha pplication opens but I cannot enter to any menu and never connect to my mixer
[17:07] <genii> Knowing the name of the application might be useful
[17:07] <CarlFK> neat - enabled location+auto and it set the time right.  magic.
[17:08] <DirtyEar> genii: The application is "X-AIR-Edit"
[17:08] <DirtyEar> Is a surface of control application for the Behringer XR18
[17:10] <tomreyn> ...last updated in 2017
[17:14] <Nyle> Hi, I found a bug in ubuntu package zenmap I think or maybe something is wrong I'm doing
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> Nyle: can you describe whats happening please
[17:14] <Nyle> I did apt install zenmap and then sudo zenmap andI get this output: http://dpaste.com/0WDTWF9
[17:16] <Nyle> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/199891/invalid-mit-magic-cookie-1-key-when-trying-to-run-program-remotely I found this, xhost +local:
[17:16] <Nyle> but why?
[17:17] <legreffier> are you running it remotely ?
[17:17] <doug16k> Nyle, you should use sudo -H to set the home directory. running things with sudo can cause the permissions in your home directory to have config files and things owned by root
[17:25] <mmystic> hi, anyone know how to extract data from tcpdump or wireshark/tshark ?
[17:25] <tcpdump> mmystic: filters?
[17:26] <mmystic> I know something about filters but aren't they too basic ? I need to extract dns query..
[17:28] <mmystic> someone should create captcha for irc... I have some doubts that tcpdump is a bot..
[17:30] <doug16k> mmystic, udp.port == 53 || tcp.port == 53
[17:31] <doug16k> what do you mean by extract dns query? you mean the domain being resolved?
[17:32] <mmystic> I mean I want take all the domain asked to resolve and take it and redirect to /etc/hosts
[17:32] <mmystic> well not "all" the domain..
[17:34] <mmystic> for example I want filter all *.google.com and put them in /etc/hosts
[17:34] <doug16k> that will break
[17:34] <mmystic> the same for *.doubleclick.com and other domains
[17:34] <doug16k> how are you so sure the IPs won't change?
[17:35] <mmystic> I want map them to 127.0.0.1
[17:36] <tomreyn> you can filter, then export as csv, can't you?
[17:37] <mmystic> tomreyn: how can I export tcpdump output to csv ?
[17:37] <tomreyn> or actually just use ask / grep / sed to filter
[17:37] <mmystic> tomreyn: with sed/awk should be more easy
[17:37] <tomreyn> i was thinking wireshark there (SCV), not tcpdump. but you can certianly achieve the same with just tcpdump
[17:38] <doug16k> yes you can export to csv. just checked, you can see the domain name in there after " A "
[17:38] <doug16k> and some after CNAME
[17:38] <mmystic> ok thank you very much
[17:38] <mmystic> yep
[17:40] <tomreyn> with many records, don't use /etc/hosts though but run a local resolver with a custom zone file
[17:40] <mmystic> I think they will be less than 100, are they too much ?
[17:41] <mmystic> I mean too much for hosts file
[17:47] <tomreyn> mmystic: i'm not sure how well (or badly) it scales, have newer done it this way. i assume 100 is not a problem.
[17:47] <tomreyn> * never
[17:48] <Nyle> legreffier: no I am locally running it.
[17:48] <Nyle> doug16k: ok i will read manpage for sudo
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> Nyle: The magic cookie is no longer a feature offered by the Desktop Managers. It was removed as it was a vulnerability for someone to compromise a system. The same error occurs if you try to setup a vnc server to remote desktop
[17:52] <doug16k> funny, `sudo -H zenmap` works for me. because 18.04?
[17:52] <pragmaticenigma> doug16k: Are you on the local machine running the command inside a desktop session?
[17:53] <doug16k> yes
[17:53] <pragmaticenigma> that's why
[17:53] <mmystic> tomreyn: ok thx :-)
[17:53] <doug16k> didn't nyle say they were on the local machine too or did I misread?
[17:53] <pragmaticenigma> I assumed they were running via ssh
[17:54] <tomreyn> i assume Nyle is running wayland. but maybe nyle can provide more insight
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> But -H forces applications to read from the local user's policy which will have the path to the "magic cookied" needed to draw the window. And if they are running wayland, zenmap will not work
[17:55] <Nyle> No
[17:56] <Nyle> I have no idea what I'm running
[17:56] <tomreyn> that's a bad foundation for doing network mapping
[17:56] <Nyle> I have a 10 year old Core 2 Quad, Q9550, DDR2 8GB, Nv GTX 275, and I netbooted an kubuntu iso
[17:56] <Nyle> 18.04
[17:56] <Nyle> Whatever that installed, I use it.
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> Nyle: You're attempting to run from a live environment? not installed to the local machine?
[18:00] <tomreyn> Nyle: running this in a temrinal window would reveal whether you'Re using X11/Xorg or Wayland:  echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)"
[18:03] <Nyle> No it's my local desktop, I've had it for years, ubuntu works good
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: going to assume it is xserver, they're running "kubuntu" ... I don't think KDE has wayland support
[18:03] <Nyle> Session: KDE (x11)
[18:04] <Nyle> I just installed zenmap and tried to launch it from kde menu, didn't work, so I luanched in console, got that message I pasted. wroks as user
[18:06] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: good point
[18:07] <ioria> Nyle, run 'xhost +local:' and try again
[18:07] <Nyle> I just wantd to scan my vps, it's fine.
[18:07] <tomreyn> Nyle: i'd just use nmap directly, zenmap does't really add much usability to it.
[18:07] <Nyle> I already did. I wonder why I have to do that. . I don't have to do that on other gui apps
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> Nyle zenmap, and by dependency, nmap require sudo priveleges to access the lower level system operations it needs to do its thing. That's why it's proabably failing at running from the application menu
[18:07] <Nyle> tomreyn: I like the tabs
[18:14] <Guest_8> Hello. I would like some help tweaking some gnome settings. I have a dark theme enabled. i am using 19.10 I would like the menus which appear if i click on the calendar in the top bar or the tray icons in upper right to be dark too. I don't know how to achieve this
[18:21] <tomreyn> Guest_8: i suggest asking theming questions on the gnome projects' support channels.
[18:21] <Guest_8> ok
[18:26] <cgi> on my user service, I am getting this error: (code=exited, status=216/GROUP). I tried User=x and Group=x - still get this error. Perhaps there is a correct way to solve this?
[18:29] <sarnold> https://freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html#id-1.20.8
[18:29] <sarnold> cgi: what do you mean by "user service"?
[18:30] <cgi> sarnold, systemd --user start myservice
[18:33] <tomreyn> cgi: do you mean you set "User=x" and "Group=x" in your systemd user service? does this user and group exist then?
[18:34] <cgi> tomreyn, I removed those and still get the same error
[18:37] <cgi> it was a daemon-reload problem - without that changes dont take place
[18:37] <cgi> got it, thanks
[18:37] <sarnold> cgi: I don't believe you'll be able to change groups of user services started in this way -- see the setgroups and setgid manpages
[18:38] <tomreyn> cgi: can you provide more details on how you solved it, i'd like to learn.
[18:40] <cgi> tomreyn, https://github.com/torfsen/python-systemd-tutorial/blob/master/python_demo_service.service
[18:40] <cgi> just remove line 26 - and use it as it is
[18:40] <cgi> works
[18:41] <tomreyn> cgi: but you previously said that you had removed the explicit User / Group declaration and it would still return the same error, so this can't have been the fix.
[18:42] <tommy``> I ask just out of curiosity, should I switch to 19.10 having the 18.04.3 LTS?
[18:43] <tomreyn> tommy``: do i have a deja vu or have you asked this same question just recently?
[18:43] <tomreyn> either way, the answer is: it's up to you to decide, this isn't really a support question.
[18:43] <tomreyn> have a look at the release notes if it helps deciding
[18:44] <tomreyn> !releasenotes
[18:44] <pragmaticenigma> tommy``: That's a personal choice. LTS is for long term support, meaning the system remain more stable over the longer term, but the applications may not have the most recent versions (security patches are provided when available). Non-LTS will have less stability, but more recent versions of some applications.
[18:44] <tommy``> no tomreyn
[18:45] <tommy``> pragmaticenigma: i read that 19.10 seems have gnome more reactive, so i don't know whether to change or not
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> tommy``: as tomreyn indicated earlier, this isn't a support question. Only you can answer your question by doing your own research in the benefits of each.
[18:50] <tommy``> k.
[18:53] <cgi> tomreyn, when i removed it - I did not do daemon-reload
[18:53] <cgi> that was the problem
[18:56] <tomreyn> cgi: oh ok, thanks.
[18:58] <tomreyn> Devrim: bug 1845263
[19:00] <mmystic> it's me or it's the same for all? If I do "tcpdump -i eth -n 'port 53' | grep google" then in an other term I resolve google, in the first shell it doesn't grep. If I remove the grep I have the proper output, strange!!
[19:00] <mmystic> anyone can try on his pc ?
[19:02] <tomreyn> "eth" is probably not the name of your interface
[19:02] <sarnold> mmystic: grep --line-buffered may help
[19:03] <mmystic> sarnold: :-D thank you!!
[19:03] <sarnold> mmystic: you're welcome :)
[19:07] <tomreyn> sarnold: while we're at it: there's some utility which does some LD_PRELOADing to disable input buffering / make it line buffered for the command which follows it. it can be used when a command such as grep (or head/tail) does not support single line buffering itself. i was thinking it's called "unbuffer" oder "undbuf" or similar, but apparently not so.
[19:08] <tomreyn> any idea what this may be called?
[19:08] <sarnold> tomreyn: most tools will do that with | cat
[19:08] <sarnold> tomreyn: let me hunt around a bit..
[19:08] <sarnold> tomreyn: stdbuf
[19:09] <tomreyn> ah the | cat  is a good idea
[19:09] <sarnold> tomreyn: good thing it was linked from the setvbuf(3) manpage otherwise it would have taken me FOREVER to find that :)
[19:09] <tomreyn> yeay that's the one, thanks
[19:10] <sarnold> grep still uses block buffering for stdout even in a pipeline because it's more efficient that way
[19:10] <tomreyn> i've previously spent a logt of time re-finding it
[19:10] <tomreyn> *lot
[19:10] <tomreyn> sure, it makes sense in normal operation.
[19:12] <tomreyn> tail also does buffering, and doesn't have an option to override it
[19:12] <jrgilman> hey there, when I have a shortcut in the dock (on 19.10), where exactly are those shortcuts stored (is there a folder where all of those favorites are?)
[19:14] <jrgilman> ah i see, this is handled by gsettings
[19:16] <jrgilman> hmm but this favorite isn't in either /usr/share/applications or ~/.local/share/applications. Do snap packages have a different location for the .desktop files?
[19:17] <tomreyn> hmm or maybe my buffering test is wrong.
[19:26] <sarnold> jrgilman: check in /snap/*/*/usr/share/ -- I found a desktop file in eg /snap/youtube-dl/1832/usr/share/applications/python3.5.desktop
[19:26] <sarnold> (though why python3.5 has a .desktop file i have no idea)
[19:29] <jrgilman> oh good deal i didn't even thing there was a /snap folder
[19:29] <jrgilman> thanks sarnold
[19:39] <mgee> Hi, I'm running a server with multiple users logged in remotely using various desktop environments. How do I disable the "shutdown", "hibernate", etc option for them?
[19:39] <mgee> I assume there is something with polkit? Is there a good writeup for eg. ubuntu 18.04?
[19:40] <sarnold> mgee: stick around for a moment while I go hunting
[19:41] <mgee> sarnold: thanks!
[19:46] <sarnold> mgee: look in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.login1.policy -- I think this will show you the keys you need to modify, which you can do somewhere in /etc/polkit-1/
[19:47] <mgee> sarnold: Maybe the accepted answer here for 14.04 still works?: https://askubuntu.com/questions/453479/how-to-disable-shutdown-reboot-from-lightdm-in-14-04
[19:48] <sarnold> mgee: oh that looks promising; the answer does something slightly different from the question, but it's probably clsoer to what you want
[19:48] <mgee> I also found that "pkaction" can list actions
[19:50] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi guys
[19:50] <aleksandrdvorkin> just a question if i connected from local computer to remote using SSH
[19:51] <aleksandrdvorkin> and i want to copy the file from the local computer to the remote how do i do it
[19:52] <aleksandrdvorkin> for instance i connected from this computer to the second pc and i see the directory on the remote pc now i want to copy file from this pc into the directory on the remote pc how do i dio
[19:52] <aleksandrdvorkin> doit
[19:52] <sarnold> aleksandrdvorkin: easiest is to use another shell onthe local machine and run scp filename username@remotehost:/path/to/destination  -- though note that scp is kind of janky, sftp is better if the filenames are "funny"..
[19:53] <aleksandrdvorkin> but i dont i understand
[19:53] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am now connected on this pc to the LibreElec computer
[19:53] <aleksandrdvorkin> and i want to put a file from this pc to LibreElec pc
[19:53] <oerheks> rsync can do that, rsync -avz /path/to/folder <user>@<ip>:/destination/
[19:54] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am right now see in the terminalLibreELEC:~/downloads #
[19:54] <oerheks> man rsync for the option
[19:54] <aleksandrdvorkin> and i want to put a file from this pc to that destination folder or LibreElec:/downloads
[19:56] <aleksandrdvorkin> so to say i am at locaL COMPUTER
[19:57] <aleksandrdvorkin> which is aleksandrdvorkin@aleksandrdvorkin-Aspire-One-522:~/Downloads
[19:57] <aleksandrdvorkin> and i want to copy a file from aleksandrdvorkin@aleksandrdvorkin-Aspire-One-522:~/Download to the LibreElec:/~Downloads
[19:58] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am now connected on aleksandrdvorkin@aleksandrdvorkin-Aspire-One-522:~/Download
[19:58] <aleksandrdvorkin> to LibreElec:/~Downloads
[19:59] <aleksandrdvorkin> so i put scp aleksandrdvorkin@aleksandrdvorkin-Aspire-One-522:~/Download/filename.txt LibreElec:/~Downloads
[20:00] <aleksandrdvorkin> from LibreElec:/~Downlods#
[20:00] <aleksandrdvorkin> i dont get it
[20:01] <yelof> aleksandrdvorkin: you would use the same credentials that you ssh connected.  and those are the same you would use for libreelec.
[20:01] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am connected and terminal shows that i am SSH connected to LibreElec so how do i copy file from this PC to that LibreElec dir that i am connected to
[20:02] <aleksandrdvorkin> its confusing
[20:02] <aleksandrdvorkin> its not working
[20:03] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am on the pc that is connected to Libreelec:/~Downloads
[20:03] <aleksandrdvorkin> and i want to copy from this pc file into that LibreElec:/~DownloaDS
[20:03] <yelof> aleksandrdvorkin: scp filename-of-local-file username-used-for-ssh@LibreElec:/~Downloads/
[20:04] <yelof> you would do this in another terminal on the local machine, not in the SSH connection
[20:08] <transhuman> hi getting a dpkg error trying to install blender, in apport package can I safely remove apport?
[20:08] <transhuman> if so what command to force it to remove?
[20:10] <oerheks> apport is part of the bugreport service, don't remove that!
[20:11] <oerheks> how do you install blender, btw?
[20:12] <transhuman> sudo apt install blender
[20:12] <lordcirth> transhuman, what Ubuntu version, and are you running any third-party repos?
[20:13] <transhuman> installed apport package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 127 /var/lib/dpkg/info/apport.postinst: pycompile: not found no third party repos. ubuntu 19.10
[20:13] <transhuman> bionic
[20:14] <transhuman> I dont need to report errors so if I can force it some how to uninstall to get around the problem or install some python package ...
[20:15] <lordcirth> pycompile is part of python-minimal
[20:16] <lordcirth> transhuman, did you fresh-install 19.10, or upgrade? Did you do either before it was released?
[20:16] <lordcirth> And are you up to date?
[20:16] <transhuman> no I did not and I am up to date
[20:16] <transhuman> it was an upgrade
[20:17] <lordcirth> transhuman, can you please pastebin the command you are running and it's full output? Thanks.
[20:18] <ioria> transhuman, you upgraded from 18.04 to 19.10  ?
[20:18] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112081/
[20:18] <transhuman> yes
[20:18] <ioria> good
[20:19] <oerheks> 58 not fully installed or removed. > apt install -f
[20:19] <lordcirth> Yeah, you have apt messed up already
[20:19] <ioria> transhuman, that ^  ; if not working   : sudo apt install --reinstall python python-minimal dh-python
[20:20] <transhuman> same error
[20:20] <oerheks> fun detail: apport is old .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/eoan/+source/apport
[20:20] <ioria> transhuman, sudo apt-get -f install
[20:21] <transhuman> same error
[20:22] <lordcirth> transhuman, please pastebin it all again.
[20:23] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112083/
[20:24] <ioria> transhuman, apt-cache policy apport
[20:25] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112084/
[20:25] <ioria> transhuman, you have the answer
[20:26] <transhuman> its apport 2.20.10-0ubuntu 27.2?
[20:26] <ioria> transhuman, paste /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:27] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112085/
[20:28] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112086/
[20:29] <ioria> transhuman, sorry, you're not on 19.10
[20:29] <transhuman> oh , hmmm I thought I had upgraded this to 19.10
[20:30] <transhuman> ah sorry 18.04
[20:30] <ioria> transhuman, 18.04 what ?
[20:30] <transhuman> I could have sworn I had upgraded it.
[20:30] <transhuman> ubuntu 18.04
[20:30] <transhuman> bionic
[20:31] <ioria> transhuman,  cat /etc/issue ; uname -r
[20:31] <transhuman> 5.0.0-32-generic
[20:32] <transhuman> I am probably mistaken, I have over a dozen systems
[20:32] <ioria> transhuman,  sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/apport* /tmp-files/
[20:32] <ioria> note the *
[20:32] <ioria> transhuman,  sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/apport* /tmp
[20:32] <aleksandrdvorkin> sudo ssh 192.168.1.3 scp sp-230919-iptvgratuit_xyz-1.m3u /downloads
[20:32] <aleksandrdvorkin> root@192.168.1.3's password:
[20:32] <aleksandrdvorkin> cp: can't stat 'sp-230919-iptvgratuit_xyz-1.m3u': No such file or directory
[20:33] <aleksandrdvorkin> why is it saying that
[20:33] <aleksandrdvorkin> i have that file on this computer
[20:33] <transhuman> done
[20:33] <ioria> transhuman, sudo apt-get -f install
[20:34] <Bashing-om> !info linux-generic-hwe-18.04 | bionic
[20:34] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112087/
[20:36] <aleksandrdvorkin> whats wrong
[20:36] <ioria> transhuman,  dpkg -l | grep apport
[20:36] <aleksandrdvorkin> with this command
[20:36] <minimec> transhuman: ioria: Sorry to interrrupt, but he has all the 'disco' sources activated in his 'bionic' installation looking @ his sources list...
[20:36] <aleksandrdvorkin> this pc ip is 192.168.1.4 it has a file sp-230919-iptvgratuit_xyz-1.m3u
[20:36] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112089/
[20:37] <aleksandrdvorkin> in the /home/aleksandrdvorkin/downloads directory
[20:37] <ioria> minimec, yes, he performed an upgrade from bionic to disco
[20:37] <yelof> aleksandrdvorkin: you do not want to run it within ssh, you would run scp filename-of-local-file root@192.168.1.3:/~Downloads/
[20:37] <aleksandrdvorkin> so
[20:37] <yelof> aleksandrdvorkin: do not add shh to that, or you are lloking to transfer from the remote computer to the remote.
[20:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> what do you mean
[20:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> i want to ssh copy file from this pc to the remote
[20:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> this pc is Ip 192.168.1.4
[20:38] <minimec> ioria: Didn't know that that is even possible.... Should have followed the whole discussion... ;)
[20:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> remote is 192.168.1.3
[20:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> how am to cp it
[20:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> without ssh
[20:39] <yelof> aleksandrdvorkin: if you run that command on the remote computer (within ssh) you will be copying from 192.168.1.3 to 192.168.1.3
[20:39] <transhuman> hmm maybe I did attempt an upgrade after all, I dont think i can force an upgrade now
[20:40] <ioria> transhuman,  sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/apport* /tmp   again
[20:40] <transhuman> done
[20:41] <yelof> aleksandrdvorkin: just run "scp sp-230919-iptvgratuit_xyz-1.m3u root@192.168.1.3:/~Downloads/" only that to copy from 192.168.1.4 to 192.168.1.3
[20:41] <ioria> transhuman,  sudo apt remove --purge apport
[20:41] <aleksandrdvorkin> aleksandrdvorkin@aleksandrdvorkin-Aspire-One-522:~/Downloads$ scp sp-230919-iptvgratuit_xyz-1.m3u root@192.168.1.3:~/Downloads/
[20:41] <aleksandrdvorkin> root@192.168.1.3's password:
[20:41] <aleksandrdvorkin> scp: /storage/Downloads/: Is a directory
[20:41] <transhuman> that worked
[20:41] <transhuman> can i do an upgrade now
[20:41] <aleksandrdvorkin> yelof
[20:42] <ioria> transhuman, sudo apt update && sudo apt-get -f install
[20:42] <transhuman> no updates
[20:42] <ioria> transhuman,  sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:43] <transhuman> The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
[20:43] <transhuman>   python3-systemd
[20:43] <aleksandrdvorkin> yelof why did that not wokr
[20:43] <ioria> transhuman,  sudo apt install --reinstall python3-systemd
[20:43] <aleksandrdvorkin> do i need to add the filename to the :/~Downloads/filename?
[20:44] <transhuman> done-successfully
[20:44] <ioria> transhuman,  sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:44] <yelof> aleksandrdvorkin: what directory is /storage/Downloads/? the destination?
[20:44] <aleksandrdvorkin> yes
[20:44] <transhuman> The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
[20:44] <transhuman>   python3-systemd ... no errors
[20:45] <aleksandrdvorkin> it actually /storage/downloads not /storage/Downloads
[20:45] <ioria> transhuman,  please paste it
[20:45] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112090/
[20:46] <ioria> transhuman,  sudo apt install --reinstall apport
[20:46] <yelof> aleksandrdvorkin: the it would be scp sp-230919-iptvgratuit_xyz-1.m3u root@192.168.1.3:/storage/downloads/
[20:47] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112091/
[20:47] <aleksandrdvorkin> that worked
[20:47] <minimec> transhuman: ioria: What about 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' first?
[20:48] <ioria> minimec, transhuman yeah, try that ^  : sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:49] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112092/
[20:49] <transhuman> looks ok now
[20:50] <transhuman> can I do a release upgrade to be sure
[20:50] <ioria> transhuman,  sudo apt install --reinstall apport
[20:50] <aleksandrdvorkin> aleksandrdvorkin@aleksandrdvorkin-Aspire-One-522:~/Downloads$ scp sp-230919-iptvgratuit_xyz-1.m3u root@192.168.1.3:/storage/downloads
[20:50] <aleksandrdvorkin> root@192.168.1.3's password:
[20:50] <aleksandrdvorkin> sp-230919-iptvgratuit_xyz-1.m3u               100%   36KB  36.4KB/s   00:00
[20:51] <aleksandrdvorkin> now another problem
[20:51] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112094/
[20:51] <aleksandrdvorkin> tryint to access using samba
[20:51] <aleksandrdvorkin> the libreelec at 192.168.1.3
[20:51] <aleksandrdvorkin> gives out the following error
[20:51] <aleksandrdvorkin> when i do smb://192.168.1.3
[20:51] <transhuman> seems like a package bug? Yes?
[20:52] <ioria> transhuman,  sudo apt autoclean
[20:53] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112096/
[20:53] <aleksandrdvorkin> unhandled error message failed to mount windows share invalid argument
[20:53] <minimec> transhuman: ioria: 'sudo apt purge apport-symptoms'? Could that package still be the old version?
[20:53] <aleksandrdvorkin> but libreelec is not a windows share
[20:53] <aleksandrdvorkin> its Linux
[20:54] <ioria> transhuman, apt-cache policy apport-symptoms
[20:54] <transhuman> same apport error
[20:54] <aleksandrdvorkin> but i can connect to it using smb://192.168.1.3 from my Macbook running ubuntu 19-10
[20:54] <aleksandrdvorkin> both computers run Ubuntu19-10 but this one gives this error
[20:54] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112097/
[20:54] <yelof> aleksandrdvorkin: I don't know much samba, maybe try #samba.
[20:54] <aleksandrdvorkin> Macbook connects no problme
[20:55] <aleksandrdvorkin> ok
[20:55] <aleksandrdvorkin> thanks for SSH help
[20:55] <ioria> transhuman, sudo apt install --reinstall apport-symptoms
[20:55] <transhuman> to connect to windows samba share need to upgrade samba, windows supports smb 3.1
[20:55] <transhuman> manual compile I mean
[20:57] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112099/
[20:57] <ioria> transhuman,  sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/apport* /tmp
[20:58] <transhuman> done
[20:58] <ioria> transhuman  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:59] <transhuman> https://paste.debian.net/1112101/
[20:59] <ioria> transhuman  dpkg -l | grep apport
[21:00] <transhuman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BqC6cKKJ6P/
[21:01] <ioria> transhuman  we are good; try sudo apt install --reinstall apport-gtk
[21:01] <minimec> transhuman: ioria: That looks good now...
[21:01] <ioria> minimec, yep (maybe)
[21:01] <transhuman> wirjed
[21:01] <transhuman> worked
[21:01] <ioria> minimec,  sudo apt full-upgrade
[21:01] <transhuman> should I do an upgrade, rather not if its not necessary for AI software reasons
[21:02] <transhuman> let me know
[21:02] <ioria> minimec,  sudo apt full-upgrade
[21:03] <transhuman> nothing upgraded
[21:03] <ioria> sy, transhuman ok, we are ok
[21:03] <transhuman> thank you very much , not sure what that was all about, going to study the pastebins
[21:03] <ioria> no problem
[21:04] <transhuman> the person having windows samba problems with Windows 10 be warned upgrading to samba by manual compile is a daunting task
[21:05] <transhuman> but it solves the problem of not needing to install cifs 1.0 in windows 10 which is a security risk
[21:05] <transhuman> thats all i will say on that
[21:32] <aleksandrdvorkin> anyone has a samba mount experience
[21:32] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am issuing this command
[21:32] <aleksandrdvorkin> aleksandrdvorkin@aleksandrdvorkin-Aspire-One-522:~$ sudo mount -t 192.168.1.3 /mnt
[21:32] <aleksandrdvorkin> mount: can't find /mnt in /etc/fstab
[21:34] <oerheks> where do you find that command?
[21:34] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am sorry
[21:35] <aleksandrdvorkin> but the command mount -t cifs 192.168.1.3 /mnt also give out error
[21:36] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am trying to use samba to mount the RaspbeeryPi4 running libreelec to my Ubunut 19-10 pc
[21:36] <aleksandrdvorkin> the raspberrypi4 ip is 192.16.1.3
[21:36] <aleksandrdvorkin> 192.168.1.3
[21:37] <aleksandrdvorkin> so i am issuing mount -t cifs 192.168.1.3 /mnt
[21:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> aleksandrdvorkin@aleksandrdvorkin-Aspire-One-522:~/Downloads$ sudo mount -t cifs 192.168.1.3 /mnt
[21:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on 192.168.1.3,
[21:38] <aleksandrdvorkin>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[21:38] <aleksandrdvorkin>        (for several filesystems (e.g. nfs, cifs) you might
[21:38] <aleksandrdvorkin>        need a /sbin/mount.<type> helper program)
[21:38] <aleksandrdvorkin>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[21:39] <oerheks> !paste
[21:40] <aleksandrdvorkin> what is happening
[21:40] <oerheks> you flooded the server.
[21:40] <oerheks> !paste
[21:41] <B|ack0p> huh
[21:41] <oerheks> what guide do you follow? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently  or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaClientGuide ?
[21:41] <B|ack0p> i didnt know TheRedQueen is a bot :p
[21:58] <dax> B|ack0p: it's the altnick for Drone
[21:58] <dax> B|ack0p: the normal nick is somewhat more obviously non-human ;)
[22:09] <B|ack0p> dax: ok
[22:12] <gbellinoz> In apt lingo, are "suggests" just dependencies, but ones that won't break the original package if they're removed?
[22:13] <gbellinoz> I'm seeing packages in apt-cache rdepends that do not show up as additional packages to be removed when I apt remove --dry-run.
[22:32] <crypt0kraken> gbellinoz: I think "suggests" are packages that may be useful when used together with the one that suggests them. Definitely no dependency breakage of the original package occurs if you remove them
[22:37] <gbellinoz> So, if I'm trying to be a big boy and get away from aptitude, how best to selectively upgrade via the CLI? That's something the TUI of  aptitude was really good for.
[22:38] <oerheks> selectively upgrade?
[22:39] <gbellinoz> Yeah, there are 75 upgrades, and I want to do all of them except three, say.
[22:39] <oerheks> don't do such silly thinking; apt upgrade or apt full-upgrade
[22:39] <gbellinoz> ok, oerheks, you come over and fix CUPS when it breaks on every upgrade :)
[22:40] <gbellinoz> I guess I could tell dpkg to hold it.
[22:41] <oerheks> that is no solution to your problem
[22:45] <imi> hi
[22:45] <tomreyn> gbellinoz: maybe configure cups so that it doesn't break - is this not an option?
[22:46] <gbellinoz> tomreyn: It's possible the problem is BKAC, but there are so many moving parts... and when it goes bad it's inscrutable.
[22:47] <gbellinoz> There's also no reason for me to upgrade CUPS, ever.
[22:47] <gbellinoz> So, high risk, no reward.
[22:47] <oerheks> https://usn.ubuntu.com/4105-1/ ..
[22:47] <oerheks> if that is the update that is struggling you?
[22:48] <gbellinoz> Many updates to CUPS over the 15 years I've used linux has killed my printer operation.
[22:49] <sarnold> gbellinoz: people who want control over when specific updates are applied either manage it from the repo using a tool like https://www.aptly.info/ or manage it centrally using something like landscape or ansible
[22:49] <gbellinoz> That link isn't to an update, it's to a security notice. There's no remote CUPS traffic on this network, nor untrusted local users. CUPS security issues are a don't care fo rme.
[22:49] <gbellinoz> (sorry sarnold , oerheks ' link, not yours)
[22:50] <sarnold> gbellinoz: no worries, I've been on irc enough decades to know the ebb and flow of a conversation :)
[22:50] <gbellinoz> sarnold: my need is simpler than that... I just want to pick-and-choose upgrades to apply. Probably will end up with an xargs commandline.
[22:51] <gbellinoz> Someone in chat here (tomreyn  maybe?) encouraged me to not use aptitude any more due to its unfriendly management of the apt db.
[22:51] <sarnold> gbellinoz: do note that we test updates with previous updates installed; if you're applying some but not others you run the risk of seeing regressions that we don't see
[22:52] <sarnold> gbellinoz: if you'd still rather do that, then you can do eg apt install cups and get the cups update
[22:52] <oerheks> That link isn't to an update > yes it is.
[22:52] <tomreyn> gbellinoz: it's well possible that i pulled the !aptitude trigger for you
[22:53] <gbellinoz> sarnold: noted. it's that when I'm looking at 75 available upgrades, and there are 3 I don't want for whatever reason, I want a cool way to do that on the CLI. maybe apt-get dselect-upgrade is my lo-fi way of doing that....
[22:53] <crypt0kraken> gbellinoz: to hold back packages use apt-mark hold <package>
[22:54] <gbellinoz> yep, but that's forever.
[22:54] <tomreyn> forever is apparently what you want?
[22:54] <gbellinoz> Not always.
[22:55] <gbellinoz> This is exactly the thing that TUIs/GUIs are good for.
[22:55] <gbellinoz> I used to use synaptic before it corrupted my installation years ago.
[22:55] <gbellinoz> And I was happy with aptitude for years until tomreyn made some good arguments last week :)
[22:56] <tomreyn> i'm not sure whether apt supports the colon (to keep a package at its current state) like it supports the dash (to remove a package).
[22:56] <tomreyn> what you could do, though. is to specifiy the packages you wish to keep at their current version on the apt command line using package=$currentversion
[22:58] <tomreyn> so for examle, to upgrade apache2 but not the cups package which is currently at version 1.1 :  sudo apt install apache2 cups=1.1
[22:58] <gbellinoz> That's an interesting idea...
[22:59] <gbellinoz> wait, if I'm using apt install, I'd just leave cups off of the command line...
[22:59] <tomreyn> that doesn't prevent it from getting upgraded if its a dependency
[23:00] <tomreyn> of course you'll see what will happen before you confirm it, though
[23:01] <gbellinoz> yep, yep...
[23:02] <tomreyn> apt pinning is another option
[23:02] <tomreyn> but it's also a way to loose your marbles
[23:02] <genii> Heh, yes
[23:04] <gbellinoz> Marbles half gone, so will heed that advice.
[23:04] <gbellinoz> cat  pkgs  | xargs apt -y install
[23:04] <gbellinoz> that'll do me.
[23:05] <gbellinoz> I'm just surprised I'm the only one so conservative with upgrades.
[23:05] <gbellinoz> I aggressively upgrade anything that touches the net, but everything else I just don't want to touch once it's working.
[23:05] <tomreyn> the hypothetical 'colon method' (package name followed by a colon to indicate it should not be considered /changed) doesn't work
[23:05] <sarnold> well, most folks who are conservative run an aptly server or landscape or similar to manage every single update on their own schedule
[23:05] <sarnold> tomreyn: bugger. I liked that idea. I hoped it was going to work :)
[23:06]  * tomreyn shrugs
[23:06] <tomreyn> could have been
[23:09] <gbellinoz> shoot, piping things into apt install is bad when a package wants something configured (TUI).
[23:09] <sarnold> if you want to keep going this way there's the DEBCONF_FRONTEND vareiable or whatever it is..
[23:09] <crypt0kraken> gbellinoz: not forever, you can always apt-mark unhold
[23:10] <tomreyn> you shouldn't use apt for scripting, though, as it'll be happy to tell you a lot
[23:10] <crypt0kraken> apt will always tell you how many packages you are holding back on each upgrade, so you will never really forget about them
[23:10] <tomreyn> (when scripting, use apt-get instead)
[23:11] <crypt0kraken> gbellinoz: also you can use `apt-mark showhold` to check which ones you are holding right now
[23:12] <tomreyn> there is also --ignore-hold to apt-get
[23:42] <BrokenLinuxes> is there any harm in installing older linux-headers on a currently running system?
[23:44] <sarnold> not from the act of installing them, no, but depending upn what you do when you have them installed, there might be other issues..
[23:44] <sarnold> what are you trying to do?
[23:46] <BrokenLinuxes> it's an older install (14.04) and i'm having trouble with a specific installer building...the latest error i have to work with is "Package 'linux-headers' has no installation candidate"
[23:46] <Major_Wedgie> G'day guys. Am wondering if it's possible to create a bootable USB that is updatable and I can install software on just like a regular installation?
[23:46] <oerheks> oh, 14.04 is dead. upgrade please
[23:47] <BrokenLinuxes> oerheks , definitely working on that
[23:47] <k2o> Major_Wedgie: do you have two flash drives? You could use one to have the installation media, and the other one to install onto
[23:47] <oerheks> Major_Wedgie, sure, crate an install on usb 1, boot and install to usb 2
[23:48] <Major_Wedgie> Thanks will try now.
[23:48] <oerheks> carefull with the bootloader installation!
[23:48] <k2o> might also be a good idea to unplug other drives while doing it
[23:48] <k2o> you can never be too safe
[23:49] <Major_Wedgie> Thanks.
[23:49] <sarnold> BrokenLinuxes: can you move to the HWE kernel? I *think* heard that we're still publishing HWE kernels for 14.04 ESM customers
[23:50] <oerheks> paid ..
[23:50] <BrokenLinuxes> and i think that support dropped in april of 2019
[23:52] <hyperknot> Hi, in 16.04 a server resulted in 100% CPU and 100% memory. SSH wasn't possible as it said ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer.
[23:52] <hyperknot> I had to reset it on the control panel, and now I'm in. My question how can I find out what happened?
[23:54] <hyperknot> where is the previous sessions log stored on 16.04?
[23:55] <k2o> you might have luck diving into the syslog (/var/log/syslog)
[23:57] <oerheks> journalctl --until "2018-09-02 12:05:50"
[23:57] <oerheks> if you know the reboot time
[23:58] <hyperknot> syslog has this: condapy invoked oom-killer
[23:58] <hyperknot> but this should just terminate the process, right?
[23:58] <hyperknot> I mean this should never result in 100% CPU and no SSH connectivity, right?
[23:59] <oerheks> maybe unattended updates working, who knows?