robert_ancellkenvandine, I'm here if you want to start early00:52
kenvandinerobert_ancell: 5 minutes01:01
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seb128gooood morning desktopers06:36
didrocksgood morning07:08
dufluMorning didrocks07:12
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:14
didrockshey duflu, oSoMoN07:16
dufluHi oSoMoN07:17
oSoMoNsalut didrocks07:23
oSoMoNhey duflu07:23
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marcustomlinsonmorning seb128 didrocks duflu oSoMoN08:08
dufluHi marcustomlinson08:14
didrockshey marcustomlinson08:15
dufluWe lost seb a while back08:16
seb128hey again desktopers08:19
didrockshey seb12808:20
marcustomlinsonhey (again) seb12808:20
seb128lut didrocks, hey marcustomlinson, how are you today?08:20
marcustomlinsonseb128: good thanks, yourself?08:20
seb128oh and happy-friday-like for those have tomorrow off08:21
seb128marcustomlinson, I'm good!08:21
didrocksseb128: ça va, happy Friday to you too :)08:22
dufluHi seb12808:23
seb128hey duflu, how are you?08:25
seb128duflu, getting ready for your holidays?08:27
seb128duflu, thx for testing that kernel/flickfree again08:29
dufluseb128, no worries, I am pleased to have got though most of my tagged emails08:29
seb128so from the log fbcon is taking over the buffer some seonds later, does it mean you see a shitfed flicker now?.08:29
dufluseb128, not noticeably. The same image is on screen so it's hard to judge any shift in time08:30
seb128but you still see it flicker?08:33
dufluseb128, yes. Actually the switching message is at the same time still, with either kernel08:34
seb128I will try to ask Hans again to see if he has more ideas08:34
seb128I hope they built the kernel correctly and just didn't screw up the enabling of the option08:35
dufluseb128, I'm not sure it's even possible to fix. I would not imagine you can switch framebuffers without one mode set. And for many monitors that incurs a brief blackout08:36
dufluSure some laptops won't notice it08:36
dufluI think both macOS and Windows get around that by dimming to black screens during the transitions?08:36
seb128so the flicker in your case is on an external monitor?08:37
dufluseb128, yes and most laptops I tried too08:38
dufluLaptops are faster than my Dell monitor though08:38
seb128in theory there is no need to switch framebuffers though?08:39
oSoMoNgood morning marcustomlinson08:40
oSoMoNsalut seb12808:40
seb128'This commit adds a new FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE_DEFERRED_TAKEOVER config option,08:40
seb128which when enabled defers fbcon taking over the console from the dummy08:40
seb128console until the first text is displayed on the console. Together with the08:40
seb128"quiet" kernel commandline option, this allows fbcon to still be used08:40
seb128together with a smooth graphical bootup, having it take over the console as08:40
seb128soon as e.g. an error message is logged.08:40
seb128ups, sorry for the lines wrapping08:40
seb128lut oSoMoN, comment ça va aujourd'hui ?08:41
seb128duflu, I wonder if the issue is that we get some text printed on the console for some reason?08:41
oSoMoNseb128, fatigué, mais comme c’est jeudredi ça va :)08:41
seb128oSoMoN, une journée à tenir et du 'repos' :)08:42
dufluseb128, that's for text consoles. I'm talking about just the raw graphical framebuffer it's running on, which is efifb and then i915drmfb/inteldrmfb.08:47
dufluConsoles are a layer on top08:47
dufluOr they should be08:47
seb128I see08:47
dufluseb128, I now remember what continuous DRM modesetting looks like. It's just a bit slow but doesn't blank out the monitor signal like this bug does. So actually it sounds like the issue is that the mode attributes are changing, not just being set redundantly08:53
seb128I will test on my new xps, I just need to change the grub config to hide the menu08:56
seb128since it's showing by default when you have multiple OS...08:56
dufluI guess if I had a serial console to the kernel I would be able to tell when it happens09:01
dufluBah, not this week09:01
seb128right, no hurry don't worry09:02
seb128oh, Laney had dropped from IRC!09:02
seb128Laney, good morning :)09:02
LaneyhellooOOOOOOOoooOOo 🦇🦇🦇🦇 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀09:03
Laneyyeah the vps provider restarted all the servers for a security update09:04
Laneywhat is up09:04
seb128hallooooweeeennn :)09:04
dufluMorning Laney09:04
seb128and we had frost this night!09:05
dufluWe had hail last night and this morning. Almost similar :)09:05
seb128(also brb, relocating)09:05
didrockshey Laney09:05
Laneyhey duflu didrocks09:06
Laneyno frost for us yet, won't be long though09:06
Laneythen i'll have to go dig up the dahlias09:06
LaneyI always forget to sync my joined channels and window layout on irssi09:08
Laneynow it's all messed up09:08
dufluFor future reference09:12
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oSoMoNspooky morning Laney09:12
Laney\o oSoMoN09:13
RikMillsLaney: do dahlias need digging up? oops. mine just get left and regrow the next year09:15
Laneyit's probably one of those things like everything in gardening09:16
Laneybet I could mulch them instead09:16
Laneynext year I want them in a different place anyway09:17
Laneynext to the allotment gate :>09:18
oSoMoNricotz, have you seen bug #1850529 ?09:57
ubot5bug 1850529 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Crash after update to 71.0~b5+build1-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185052909:57
oSoMoNI commented on the bug but I can't dig further right now, I'll get back to it later if you don't beat me to it09:58
WimpressMorning desktoppers o/10:06
oSoMoNgood morning Wimpress10:06
marcustomlinsonhey Wimpress10:06
seb128hey Wimpress, how are you today?10:07
WimpressAll good today. Just picked the girls up from the station 🙂10:08
WimpressHow is everyone else.10:08
seb128doing well, it's still cold&sunny here, but that's going to change for mild/rainy/windy in the next days :-(10:09
seb128oh, also it's sort of friday here with tomorrow off in France (& other european countries)10:09
WimpressGot anything planned for tomorrow?10:14
seb128We are going to the north of France/at my gf's place for the w.e10:17
seb128driving tonight (it's a bit less than 3 hours so easy enough)10:17
dufluMorning Wimpress, and good night10:29
Wimpressseb128: Enjoy your road trip :-)10:36
seb128thx :)10:36
GunnarHjHi Laney, glib2.0 (synced from Debian) is stuck in focal-proposed with a few autopkgtest regressions. Not sure who is responsible for handling that. Is it a desktop team thing?12:01
LaneyYes, it'll get handled12:07
LaneyIf you're asking if you can look, the answer is sure12:07
GunnarHjLaney: That's not what I asked. :) My interest in it that the migrating is a prerequisite for a combined glib2.0 and ibus SRU.12:15
LaneyThat's why I said "if"12:16
LaneyIt will be looked at at some point soon-ish.12:16
LaneyDo note there is a glib2.0 in the eoan queue too12:17
GunnarHjLaney: Didn't know that. Looks like I will need to modify https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/glib2.0 then.12:21
seb128GunnarHj, hey, I don't think the SRU team mandates the current serie version to be out of proposed ot accept a SRU12:22
LaneyYep, looks like it12:22
GunnarHjseb128: The plan is to wait until it has migrated. Also talking with the -security folks.12:25
LaneyMaybe consider simply backporting that whole upload12:29
jibelhas anyone try the first image of focal?12:38
jibelit completely hangs when the live session starts for me12:38
Laneyit's https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/89612:40
gitbotGNOME issue 896 in mutter "Hang when interacting with desktop icons on x11 after 71c3f4af" [1. Bug, 1. Regression, 5. Backend: X11, Opened]12:40
GunnarHjLaney: Were you talking about backporting glib2.0 from focal? If so, that would work, of course.12:44
LaneyGunnarHj: Yeah, that12:48
LaneyYou can upload a re-backport over the top of my SRU if you want12:49
GunnarHjLaney: But how on earth would the verification of it be accomplished?12:49
LaneyUpstream parts covered under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/GNOME, like any update12:50
LaneyTest fixes verify themselves when the thing builds12:50
GunnarHjLaney: Hmm.. Does it mean that also the more focused SRUs to d/b/x can be done without a test case?12:53
LaneyOnly for things which come from the stable branches directly (not cherry picks)12:54
LaneyWhich makes sense, because that combination hasn't been verified by upstream12:55
GunnarHjLaney: I see. Sure, I can happily propose an override of your SRU. :) (But wouldn't it be smoother if you dropped it from the queue instead?)12:58
LaneyGunnarHj: You can ask #ubuntu-release to do that once you've uploaded13:00
GunnarHjLaney: K. (I'll need sponsoring for this, btw. But I'll update the PPA to start with.)13:01
xnoxLaney:  rbalint:  i had to boot with "intel_iommu=on" kernel option, and then in virt-manager i was able to attach nvidia pci host device to guest. But that kernel option makes nvme drive generate a tonne of errors, and eventually lock system up.13:25
xnoxbut it did work long enough to test installer etc, without like compiling boost in the background.13:25
rbalintxnox, yes i added intel_iommu=on, too, but did not notice the nvme errors just the eventual system lockup after i started the vm13:38
GunnarHjLaney: glib backport uploaded to PPA. Any chance you can sponsor it? (And the d/b/x updates too - I will fix the bug description to be SRUable.)14:09
GunnarHjLaney: https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/glib2.014:11
hellsworthgood morning everyone!14:23
hellsworthhappy halloween :)14:23
marcustomlinsonmorning HELLsworth14:31
didrockshey hellsworth!14:41
oSoMoNgood morning hellsworth14:41
hellsworthgood morning indeed14:41
LaneyGunnarHj: What about your plan with the security team?14:44
Laneyhey hellsworth14:44
hellsworthwhat's up Laney14:45
GunnarHjLaney: We have agreed that they upload proposed ibus versions in their PPA. That way we can use those when verifying the glib2.0 SRUs.14:59
LaneyGunnarHj: can you subscribe ubuntu-sponsors please? Might not get to it immediately15:00
GunnarHjLaney: Ok.15:01
GunnarHjLaney: In the meantime, can we ask someone to drop your glib2.0 upload from the eoan queue, so it's not built in -proposed?15:35
diddledanI package gnome-twitch into a snap and have noticed that the button on the left of the window decorations for "menu" to access the app's settings window is not visible on ubuntu but is on ubuntu-mate. The same behaviour is occuring in the archive .deb packaged version, too, so it appears to be specific to ubuntu. I've tried switching to adwaita theme and that does **not** fix it15:37
diddledanI'm wondering if there's something to do with the global menu mechanism that's causing the button to disappear?15:37
diddledangnome-twitch uses client-side decorations, to achieve the button in the menubar15:40
ahayzendiddledan, sounds like the application menu, that on older GNOME releases is at the top by the activities button. But now has been deprecated, so moved back into the app.  It is probably detecting there is no application menu on other DEs and then using the fallback which is the left of the title bar.20:10
diddledansounds about right20:10
diddledanis the incorrect detection an ubuntu bug or upstream in gnome-twitch, do you think?20:11
diddledanit's occuring in both the repository version of gnome-twtitch and the one that I compile from upstream.20:12
diddledan(as a snap)20:12
ahayzendiddledan, is this on Ubuntu 18.04 or 19.10, as IIRC 18.04 still had the app menu, but 19.10 doesn't ... and idk maybe a bug in gtk ?  This was the initiative to remove the app menu https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/Initiatives/issues/420:13
gitbotGNOME issue 4 in Initiatives "App menu retirement" [9. Initiatives: App Menu Retirement, Opened]20:13
diddledan19.10 here20:13
diddledansomeone else is reporting it on 18.04.3: https://github.com/vinszent/gnome-twitch/issues/38920:15
gitbotvinszent issue 389 in gnome-twitch "Login" [Open]20:15
diddledanand the snap is built against core18 but that just introduces confusion because the DE is on my system 19.10 running the snap against core18 libraries20:16
diddledanlooks like it calls `gtk_application_set_app_menu`20:21
hellsworthmarcustomlinson: kenvandine i can't reproduce the evince segfault with the gnome-3-34-1804-sdk and gnome-3-34-1804 that are in the store. so evince running with the gnome-3-34 extension seems to work just fine.20:29
hellsworthalso kenvandine, popey : glimpse has been pushed to the store and is awaiting review :)20:31
kenvandinehellsworth: woot20:33
hellsworthwill https://snapcraft.io/glimpse-editor have a proper page once the package has been accepted?20:34
hellsworthie. not 40420:34
diddledanhellsworth: not sure if this is helpful for glimpse, but I've just this second pushed an updated recipe for gimp to bump to 2.10.14: https://github.com/snapcrafters/gimp/pull/81/files20:38
gitbotsnapcrafters issue (Pull request) 81 in gimp "Gimp 2.10.14" [Open]20:38
hellsworthdiddledan: thanks but glimpse is sticking to tracking gimp 2.10.12, until the gtk 3 version comes out. then they'll "hard fork" and start to really diverge with their own changes.20:40
diddledanok, cool :-)20:40
popeyhellsworth: i thought you were gonna use glimpse, not glimpse-editor?21:32
marcustomlinsonpopey: hey, do you know who to poke about squashed screenshots on snapcraft.io?21:59
marcustomlinsonhave you noticed?21:59
popeyuh, luke21:59
marcustomlinsoncool, I'll ping him tomorrow22:01
hellsworthpopey: i was going to use glimpse but there is another package in debian and ubuntu called glimpse : https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/glimpse22:25
hellsworththis glimpse package is not in the snap store but maybe it will be snapp'd someday, and they should have the glimpse name22:25
hellsworthi suppose that is why the github project of the thing i'm trying to snap is https://github.com/glimpse-editor/Glimpse/22:26
hellsworthso we decided to reserve glimpse-editor in the snapstore and change the name to glimpse22:26
hellsworthdoes someone on the store team go through the manual review requests every so often or should i go make a post on the snapstore forum22:29
popeythey do, but you can always nudge someone in #snapstore22:31
popeyon canonical irc22:31
hellsworthok i'll do that then22:31

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