[00:01] It seems that oom-killer didn't work properly, afterwards there as so many lines that many services like collectd cannot allocate memory [00:04] good news though if you've got collectd on this system you probably have *good* visibility on what went wrong, whever it is that it sent the stats :) [00:04] I don't know where to see it. The memory part is easy, I just started a process which uses too much memory and it doesn't have swap enabled (ask Google why). [00:05] But still, oom-killer should take care of such situations. [00:05] it should; not having swap will make it harder for the kernel to handle though === deww is now known as frankndew [00:28] hello! i am getting a python Traceback when trying to netplan apply a static ip address, i am met with a python traceback that looks like its having a time trying to mess with the loopback device: https://0x0.st/zYvh.txt [00:30] krup: can you run (as root) udevadm test-buildin net_setup_link /sys/class/net/lo ? [00:30] Unknown operation test-buildin. [00:31] is the output i receive [00:31] HOWEVER [00:31] udevadm test-builtin net_setup_link /sys/class/net/lo succeeds [00:32] i believe there is a type [00:32] typo* [00:34] krup: aw crud that's my fault, sorry [00:34] I *knew* I should have copy-pasted it but I figured this would be quicker. heh. [00:34] krup: bugger though I was hoping that the command would fail and tell us why it failed :?) [00:35] haha [00:35] one sec it does complain [00:36] net_setup_link fails: No such file or directory [00:36] hmm === nshireTimeout is now known as nshire [00:43] <_divzero> Heya, I'm having a brain-fart - on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS it seems like libi2c is missing? Can install libi2c-dev but seems to only contain headers and no .so or .a? Googling seems to come up blank! [00:46] _divzero: heh that's about what that looks like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/i2c-tools/3.1.1-1 [00:47] the binary package is in the bionic release https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/i2c-tools/4.0-2 [00:47] - Add a libi2c0 package containing the new shared library. -- from the 4.0-1 changelog -- https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/i2c-tools/+changelog [00:48] <_divzero> sarnold: That's just the userland tools not the library files needed by i2c-dev the rest is in libi2c0 [00:48] <_divzero> yep, that - but that's not in xenial [00:48] <_divzero> which is plain weird [00:49] Under settings > background, I've set an image to be both background and lockscreen. Yet, when I have to login at startup I still get a violet (purple) background that looks low rez. Is there a way to change that through GUI app? [00:50] <_divzero> sarnold, is it possible to graft that back in on xenial? I thought that wasn't possible with ubuntu? [00:51] _divzero: you could use requestbackport from the ubuntu-dev-tools package to shove the bionic package into a ppa and built it for xenial -- it might work great, it might not work well at all. but it should be easy enough to try... [00:55] <_divzero> sarnold: Thanks - I was assuming I was missing something and that it should be present?? There are all sorts of packages that use libi2c such as lm-sensors so thought it would be there? Seems bonkers for i2c-dev to have the header but not the library.. [00:56] _divzero: yeah; I don't know much about libi2c, it's possible it weas header-files-only or similar before then [00:58] <_divzero> sarnold: Ah... maybe was inlines before then, good point, I shall check! [01:03] anybody have any ideas why my ubuntu install might be borked? tried to do a fresh install on a UEFI system. don't know much about UEFI, except what i've read in the last 12 hours. can't seem to get an .efi file generated to point my bios at when creating a boot option. boot-repair log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kTKYxMXQXw/ [01:06] Lib-: which disk did you expect to boot to? [01:07] i had made n1p6 as a fat32 partition, as some guides had suggested for UEFI systems. n1p1 was mounted to "/" and sda1 was mounted to "/home" [01:09] Lib-: I don't know an awful lot about booting, but I'm a bit surprised the nvme drive is a DOS-partition style and not GPT partition style [01:09] Lib-: I wouldn't be surprised if UEFI booting goes way better to GPT than to DOS [01:11] what drive is the bios set to boot? that drive should contain the uefi partition, fat32.. [01:13] it seems to not boot from a "drive", but rather from a "boot option", which is configured from within the bios by navigating to and selecting an .efi file. i have been unable to create a "boot option" for the ubuntu installation because i can't seem to generate an .efi file during the course of ubuntu installtion or grub installation. [01:14] and thank you both for your engagement. === DetectiveSpook is now known as TreelonMusk === TreelonMusk is now known as Elon-Musk [01:17] sarnold: bios is able to find and navigate the fat32 partition and only that partition (despite having several ext4 partitions) [01:17] Lib-: oh weird. uh. [01:18] Lib-: here's the efi things I've got in my system's efi filesystem http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sTb47Jpv3X/ [01:19] sarnold: yeahhh... that's what i need... :{ [01:19] Lib-: I *think* the shim64.efi is the one you'd want if you've got secure boot enabled; grub64.efi perhaps if you don't have secureboot enabled [01:20] Lib-: try the installer again and check the logs before rebooting? [01:20] maybe it'll report an error about what happened to keep the efis from being unpacked correctly [01:20] sarnold: i will give that a shot when i get in tomorrow. [01:21] Is it possible to create an encrypted, growable ext4 disk image, e.g. in a exFAT partition on an external USB HDD? [01:23] (actually, growable is not requirement) [01:24] I need it to be encrypted and writable though. [01:26] i think it is hard to do, exfat is not posix [01:27] oerheks, if I create a disk image that's like a file in the exFAT fs, shouldn't it be agnostic? [01:28] think like a .dmg file in the macOS world. [01:30] I think only LVM can do this [01:30] k_sze: Currently there are no methods that support the resizing of an encrypted volume/image file. At least not on it's own. Those that do offer the functionality simply create a new volume/image file that is the targetted size, copy everything into the new volume and then delete the old volume/image file [01:32] Looks like VeraCrypt may do the job? It's not libre, but it seems to do what I want? [01:33] k_sze: That particular application is doing exactly what I just mentioned [01:33] pragmaticenigma, I actually don't need the growing/resizing part. I just need it to be writable. [01:33] (and encrypted) [01:35] mixing exfat ext4 and encryption sounds like a really frustrating experience [01:36] why do you need so many layers? [01:36] !info cryptmount | k_sze, this is about the closest thing that I can find that is built in [01:36] k_sze, this is about the closest thing that I can find that is built in: cryptmount (source: cryptmount): Management of encrypted file systems. In component universe, is extra. Version 5.3.1-1 (eoan), package size 84 kB, installed size 224 kB (Only available for linux-any) [01:37] sarnold, the external USB HDD is the company's. It's already got other stuff backed up on it. So I want to create an encrypted writable disk image, formatted as ext4, so I can preserve ownership and permissions when I rsync my home dir into it. [01:38] (the external USB HDD is already formatted as exFAT) [01:38] k_sze: can you even mount the thing writably on linux? [01:38] k_sze: the host file system doesn't matter, you can create an image file in any file system you desire [01:38] well, it *might* [01:39] I heard there's an exfat fuse implementation [01:39] but I have no idea if it has write support [01:39] sarnold: I don't think your understanding what I'm saying. [01:39] sarnold, ubuntu has non-free packages for mounting exfat writably as FUSE. [01:39] and nesting ext4 in losetup in luks in extfat in fuse sounds like the world's most brittle thing ever :) [01:39] it's not nesting [01:40] sarnold, as far as the exFAT fs is concerned it just sees a really big multi GB file. [01:40] exfat drive would simply have a binary file on it. another application, that can read said file can read it and mount it onto the host os [01:41] I do this all the time with VeraCrypt... My USB drives are all exFat or NTFS... I have image files on them for Veracrypt that ext4 [01:41] don't stress it. this sounds brittle. [01:41] how about shrinking the existing partition on it and create another which then serves as a cryptsetup-luks encrypted storage? [01:41] USB drives don't always support partitioning [01:41] ?! [01:41] that'd be far more reliable -- but then you lose the free backups from work [01:43] i guess this partition could also be a veracrypt managed one [01:43] well, not also, but alternatively [01:43] It's fine. I'm going the VeraCrypt disk image route. [01:43] That way the disk image can also be copied anywhere I like. [01:45] Sounds like a good plan if your in a hurry to get this done. I would encourage you to continue reading up on FOSS alternatives to get a better understanding of how all of it works [01:45] exfat *may* actually get into the kernel https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/opensource/2019/08/28/exfat-linux-kernel/ [01:46] the kernel that matters, that is, linux [01:46] it would really be awesome if MS made exFAT libre. [01:47] <_divzero> sarnold: You were dead on - older ones use a load of inlines in the header, doh! [01:47] k_sze: One small item to consider. If the drive is the property of your employer, remember they can request that drive at anytime and may not allow you to pull your data off of it before they take it away [01:47] _divzero: woo :D [01:47] pragmaticenigma, that's fine. I'm only making the backup because this company laptop needs to be RMA'ed. [01:48] ah, I see [01:49] brb [01:50] https://launchpad.net/~arter97/+archive/ubuntu/exfat-linux [01:50] https://github.com/arter97/exfat-linux === dax is now known as gender === el is now known as thegoose [02:48] I can't boot into Ubuntu. this is what I get https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tvmrXVgM/IMG_20191030_224749__01.jpg [02:49] I switched to Ubuntu so my linux install wouldn't suddenly be breaking on me all the time and now I can't even boot into the desktop. [02:53] https://docs.nvidia.com/deploy/driver-persistence/index.html#persistence-daemon [02:55] leonardus: if another reboot doesn't fix it, I think boot into a rescue mode and look through the logs === JPSB is now known as sc2019 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [03:43] Hi there .. [03:45] bye ... === mouses is now known as mouselemus === mouselemus is now known as mouseleums [05:01] The following packages have been kept back: [05:01] linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic [05:01] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. [05:01] i typed apt-get upgrade [05:01] and got this msg [05:02] use `apt dist-upgrade` to let it install those [05:03] doug16k thanks [06:25] Hey guys, ran into an odd problem last night... my lovely self-built machine just suddenly powered off and wouldn't boot again. Turned out if I umplugged the PSU-plugs from my graphics card, it can boot again. Further experimentation shows that it will boot with the left PSU plug in the GPU, but not the right, and the right seems to be for the fans as they're not running. If I have ONLY the fan-psu-plug plugged in, the system won't boot... any [06:25] ideas? === DalekSec is now known as WrathOfAchilles === Etua_ is now known as Etua === im0nde_ is now known as im0nde1 [08:12] hello all [08:18] good morning! [08:32] Hey everyone, after upgrade to 19.10 from 19.04, it seems my `apt-file` no longer works as expected. Eg: `apt-file list gettext` returns nothing. Digging into the apt cache files looks like the `Contents` file for the main ubuntu repos somehow seem to be missing. However `ubuntu-updates`, `ubuntu-security` repos seem to be there as expected. [08:32] Any thoughts on how to fix this? [08:33] I've tried purging and reinstalling `apt-file` and doesn't seem to work [08:34] I'll be honest, I've always had some sort of trouble with upgrading - I generally take the point of view now that upgrade time is wipe and clean-reinstall time. [08:35] hyperanalysis: true, but I find that I don't always have the time to do this every 6 months, one would think that after so many years, it's reasonably stable :( .. I also found that `gettext` and `mlocate` package was removed during the upgrade, which I don't exactly understand why. `mlocate` is very surprising considering it provides `locate` [08:35] which is a standard unix command. [08:37] One would think so, but yet... lol [08:38] I muck around with my distros so much by the time an upgrade is available I've probably got a list of niggling issues which a wipe is far more efficient than tracking down the problems, so I just keep backups and resign myself to clean installs - sorry I know that's not really helping you, just making an observation. =) [08:40] hyperanalysis: I know, make sense. I used to do that :) .. But trying to brave myself and get on board the upgrade train cautiously now. [08:41] Anyhow, would love it someone can point me in the right direction. `apt-file` issue seem to be rather straightforward that the main repos are missing their `Contents` file. Keen to know if this is a bug somewhere or just a config mishap during the upgrade. [08:49] quarkmaster: what main repo are you using? [08:55] Eric^^: `deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu eoan main universe restricted multiverse` [08:55] And also `deb-src` for the same. [08:56] Those are the two line from my `/etc/apt/sources.list` [08:57] Then follows of course, the similar ones for `eoan-updates`, `eoan-security` and `eoan-backports`.. all of these seem to have their `Contents` file in the cache, and subsequently those show on the `apt-file` list (only the files that were updated) [09:00] For instance, looks like there is an update for `apport-gtk` after the release, and as such `apt-file list apport-gtk` will show only the files that came as a part of `eoan-updates` not the full list since that's a part of the main `Contents` which isn't there [09:12] ^^ anyone? [09:16] yes? [09:23] what package would I need if a fairly standard usb hdd appears, but fails to be read? [09:23] its ntfs [09:23] zeon219: Hey everyone, after upgrade to 19.10 from 19.04, it seems my `apt-file` no longer works as expected. Eg: `apt-file list gettext` returns nothing. Digging into the apt cache files looks like the `Contents` file for the main ubuntu repos somehow seem to be missing. However `ubuntu-updates`, `ubuntu-security` repos seem to be there as [09:23] expected.Any thoughts on how to fix this? I've tried purging and reinstalling `apt-file` and doesn't seem to work [09:25] quarkmaster, have you done the obvious [09:25] ie sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade [09:25] your cache will have been cleared on update [09:25] MJCD: Done many a times, cache cleared, etc [09:26] what about your sources.list [09:26] have you enabled all the repo's including src [09:26] also how did you upgrade [09:27] if you say you replaced the distro name in sources.list and ran upgrade; you're probably screwed :P [09:27] MJCD: Probably this will help, instead of reposting: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/%23ubuntu.html#t08:32 [09:27] so i'll take that to mean it wasn't a clean install [09:28] do that. keep your data on a separate partition to your system so it always persists [09:28] MJCD: No, no. nothing unsual, it's all usual means. Had a stable standard installation upgraded through the gtk widget when it popped up the notification to upgrade [09:28] if you run the standard software tool whatever that is in your thing [09:28] what does that do/say [09:30] MJCD: I feel like you're walking me (who's a tech architect) through a serious to tech support, have you unplugged your cord thingy.. I appreciate your help, but please read the logs to get the right context. :) [09:32] quarkmaster, oh well then mr techmaster [09:33] guess you don't need anyone :3 [09:33] or maybe the solution is the same regardless of how knowledgeable you are [09:33] you just don't like it [09:34] and yet it's largely true of every version change of every OS everywhere [09:34] with auto-updating key system components from userspace being problematic [09:50] when i clean install 16.04 in a pc the very first time i logon ubuntu suggest to upgrade to 18.04. When i accepting the proccess, it starts but after a while stops and nothing happens. On every other reboot never suggest such upgrade again. Any clue why that happens? [09:51] zeon219, it might be incompatible in some way [09:52] ironically once again i'd recommend if you want to upgrade, put your user folders/data on a separate partition always and then you can just consistently fresh install [09:53] oooh [09:53] power outage [09:53] hello [09:54] i have no user data yet since is fresh install on 16.04. Yes i can live with fresh 18.04 fresh install. And yes i have my /home dir in separate disk [09:54] I have a (k)ubuntu 19.04 machine and whenever I connect an external drive, the system can see it, but can't mount it [09:55] this is the error I get when I click on the drive in dolphin: An error occurred while accessing 'TOSHIBA EXT', the system responded: The requested operation has failed: Error mounting /dev/sdd2 at /media/user/TOSHIBA EXT: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdd2, missing codepage or helper program, or other error [09:56] the drive works fine on other machines [09:57] once I managed to mount another drive by fiddling manually with `mount`, so it seems to me there's something wrong in the default settings used to mount external drives, but I'm not sure where to look [09:57] do you have any idea what might be the problem, and how to debug/fix it? [10:05] Taggnostr: what's the filesystem of the partition? [10:05] Taggnostr: sudo blkid /dev/sdd2 [10:08] TYPE="ntfs" PTTYPE="atari" [10:08] EriC^^, this is a disk I just bought, I haven't formatted it [10:08] Taggnostr: try from a terminal "sudo mount /dev/sdd2 /mnt" [10:09] Taggnostr: that's pretty odd, since it has 2 partitions [10:09] the command worked fine, but then I got a popup in the tray saying that the filesystem at /mnt is not responding [10:10] dolphin says "Could not enter folder /mnt." and cd: /mnt: Permission denied [10:10] Taggnostr: what about "sudo ls /mnt" [10:10] that works [10:11] seems working fine, must be some filemanager issue of not being able to mount it, as you said options and whatnot [10:11] Taggnostr: sudo umount /mnt [10:12] Taggnostr: you could try using the program "Disks" and see what settings it's using for the system mount [10:12] iirc it used to work, so something might got messed up at some point (maybe during an update) [10:20] EriC^^, can I apt-get that? === Leion1 is now known as Leion [10:20] Taggnostr: it should be already installed [10:21] Taggnostr: try "gnome-disks" in the terminal [10:21] if I write "disks" in the menu it brings up kde partition manager [10:21] that's probably what you want [10:22] click on the partition and look for any options or settings icons etc [10:22] maybe rightclick [10:22] No support tools were found for file systems currently present on hard disks in this computer: [10:22] Partition File System Support Tools URL [10:22] /dev/sdd2 ntfs ntfs-3g http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/ [10:22] As long as the support tools for these file systems are not installed you will not be able to modify them. [10:23] this came up as soon as I opened the partition manager [10:23] looks like I'm missing some package for ntfs [10:25] `sudo apt install ntfs-3g` fixed the problem \o/ [10:25] thanks EriC^^ [10:26] the hd seems to have two partitions, one is 128MB unknown type, the rest is ntfs [10:26] Hello, does someone know how to make (on Linux) an Ubuntu bootable USB stick with UEFI only? [10:26] Before I used unetbootin but it seems this tool has problem with UEFI. [10:26] is there any reason to keep it ntfs, or should I reformat it to ext4 or something else? [10:27] I tried just copying the contents of the ISO to the stick but it does not work. The GRUB bootloader starts but after the system does not find any "live media" [10:27] Elvanor, maybe check etcher, not sure if it works with UEFI, but that's what I used lately [10:28] You can also just use dd [10:28] stackoverflow is full with questions like these [10:29] Taggnostr: etcher does not seem available on gentoo but I can compile it [10:29] https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal [10:32] Taggnostr: ntfs is good if you're going to be using it windows or other os at some point [10:32] i'd leave it ntfs, who knows [10:33] EriC^^, I don't think I will use it on windows (I don't have any windows machine, and I'm not planning to attach it to foreign machines) -- is there any other advantage in using different filesystems (e.g. faster reading/writing)? [10:34] what's the dang package again for ubuntu to have ntfs support [10:34] It indeed does make a difference [10:34] Taggnostr: i have no idea tbh, supposedly ext is better at not fragmenting (i think) [10:34] Taggnostr: you should check google for "linux filesystem comparisons" [10:35] MJCD: ntfs-3g ? [10:35] If you only use linux you should be very safe with ext4 [10:35] EriC^^, nice, thx [10:35] moritzdietz, it's for a recovery :P [10:35] np [10:35] MJCD: I was talking to someone else :P [10:35] ah haha [10:36] thanks all [10:37] yesterday I was copying some 300GB of data from another machine that was running 18.04 and it took like 8 hours (but it might be due to some unrelated problem) [10:37] Well it depends if it was from USB or not etc [10:37] and what kind of data it was [10:38] 8 hours is excessive [10:38] that's like 11mb/s, was it via wifi or something? [10:38] lol and i'm back [10:38] If the source is a slow USB drive then it could be it [10:38] so i'm running from a live cd (for recovery of files from ntfs as I said) [10:38] but without more info it's hard to say [10:39] how do I mount the internal hdd [10:39] (sorry, no expert at this stuff) [10:39] it was from the internal disk of my laptop to an external drive, via usb 3 [10:39] after installing ntfs-3g I did `mount -a` [10:39] well writing to an external drive *can* be slow [10:40] slow isn't a real issue lol [10:40] it performs how it performs [10:40] MJCD: [10:40] I am not talking to you :D [10:40] I was addressing Taggnostr [10:40] Taggnostr: something definitely wrong there, maybe check "dmesg" for clues if you ever get the chance again [10:40] MJCD: ah well ok [10:41] but as I said, that machine had some issue, the ram was filling up quickly and then it was start lagging [10:41] I had the same issue on this machine with an older linux (18.xx) and the problem disappeared once I switched to 19.04 [10:42] I could format the disk to ext4, then try to copy the 300GB again :) [10:47] Taggnostr: i see, sounds like some memory leak [10:49] Taggnostr: "ps aux | sort -k4" should show which processes are using the memory [10:49] it was stopping at some point though [10:50] it would fill up quickly all the 16GB of ram and then used some 300MB of swap and stopped growing [10:50] wow [10:50] now I updated it to 19.10 and the problem should be gone [10:51] sounds good === Edoc is now known as RootCode [10:52] I am following this [10:52] https://superuser.com/questions/352157/mount-ntfs-windows-partition-on-ubuntu-live-cd [10:52] but I can't find the internal drives /dev/sd* [10:53] I have tried them all [10:53] 1 mounts but isn't the internal disk at all lol [10:55] sda1 appears to be the windows PE partition [10:55] sda3 mounts but only has System Information or something === RootCode is now known as Edoc [11:01] urgh [11:01] so its because I have to mount it as root [11:01] I can work with it using the shell [11:02] but even running exo-open --launch FileManager (standard xubuntu file manager) as su [11:02] it still cannot access the folder lol [11:02] god I love linux [11:02] :| [11:02] 'Morning all [11:03] good afternoon [11:03] like how does that even happen [11:04] the file manager even says "be careful you're running as root" [11:04] yet still nerf's me lol [11:05] loool wtf mannnn [11:05] cp -r /media/disk/folder1 /media/usb/ [11:05] "cannot create symbolic link" [11:05] well that's good given windows/ntfs doesn't even have those [11:05] :D [11:05] can you copy my backups now [11:05] lol [11:07] aaand there's no cp option to just ignore symlinks [11:07] wow [11:07] so usable [11:30] I was just using time along with bash to measure how long rsync processes take with fully syned drives. I got this output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d7xgNhgDSZ/ it seems like it takes about 68 minutes just to check. I am curious about how to interpret the additional info after that what are those pagefaults things? [11:30] time doesnt seem to generate the cpu usage oputput on a normal shell command call so wonder the source of that extra info [11:31] so i'm having to copy each folder of ONLY files out manually [11:31] such a joke [11:32] thanks for the 0 help lol [11:32] MJCD what happened? [11:33] lol he left so sad [11:45] how can i get systemd-resolve to honor the /etc/hosts file ? === SP33D_ is now known as SP33D [11:58] lapion this https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6224 may help [11:58] just read through the comments [12:00] aiena, it's not local addresses that I added to to the hosts file [12:01] to be honest I am not knowledgeable enough to help you [12:01] but please hang around [12:03] Why is the /etc/hosts file being ignored by ubuntu when resolving addresses ? [12:03] lapion: Please post the contents of your hosts file to https://paste.ubuntu.com/ [12:03] i dont think its ignored [12:03] lapion, what did you change in /etc/hosts ? [12:04] lapion: when you ahve posted the file, then send us the link so we can look at it [12:07] pragmaticenigma, BluesKaj, aiena try inserting; c.com 216.58.208.110 into your hosts file [12:08] c.com should be forwarded to google.com [12:08] lapion: Please do what I asked... I think you have something setup incorrectly in your file. [12:08] I just tested mine with pointing www.bing.com to googles IP address and it worked [12:10] Failed to execute command "@@BINARY@@ %u" when i click on vmware icon in the systems tab of xfce [12:10] it doesnt open [12:10] but it opens when i type vmplayer in terminal [12:11] Kats99 looks like a shortcut problem maybe ask in xubuntu or #xfce [12:11] ok thanks [12:11] lapion: you're using wrong order - swap ip with the name... === Mekely is now known as MekelySpooky [12:13] mceier, thank you that's it === herb_ is now known as herb [12:51] hey folks, having trouble with the ubuntu 19.10 livecd freezing on me after a while (with the try ubuntu option). I've tried booting safemode and nomodeset but still seems to freeze [12:52] i'm pretty out of the loop but just wondering if any known issues with 19.10 [12:52] (up until about a day ago I was happily using 17.04 - tried a do-release-upgrade and it stopped booting so figured i'd try to update it) [12:52] How long are you running the Live session for, before it crashes out? [12:53] system is a hp n36l with nvidia g210 graphics added [12:53] pragmaticenigma: anywhere from 10-25 minutes it seems [12:55] i've removed all other hdd's to try to isolate issues and it's just booting off usb at the moment. next step is probably removing gfx card but that's a pita i was hoping to avoid [12:55] also fwiw once it freezes (usually on the unity desktop, it is completely frozen/cursor doesn't move/keyboard leds do not light up) the computer seems pingable on lan [12:56] adante: the system specs seem kinda low for stock Ubuntu, have you tried any flavors with a lighter desktop experience? [12:57] Gnome can be a resource hog [13:05] aportier thanks for the suggestion. 17.04 was running okay but i guess it has been a while since then. i'll take a look at some of the other flavours [13:08] I can recommend Lubuntu and Ubuntu Mate, I have used both on older hardware and preform very well. You might also try opening an SSH session to the box before it crashes and running top, see if it is running out of resources before the crash. I suspect that is what is happening. [13:12] hi. [13:12] what is the best "paint" alternative app for linux? [13:12] i wanna crop/select/cut image [13:12] gimp? [13:12] make selection [13:13] gimp is photoshop like isnt it? [13:13] grafx2 [13:13] B|ack0p: As you have been told before, please use #ubuntu-offtopic for software recommendations. Asking about what program to use or is the best is not a support question. [13:14] grafx2 reminds me of of my beautiful retired amigas [13:14] pragmaticenigma: ok [13:14] BrokenLinuxes: then you should also check out protracker, hivelytracker and fasttracker2 [13:15] tarzeau oh wow, good stuff there [13:15] BrokenLinuxes: pushover also existed on amiga right? there's a version on ubuntu now! and ballerburg (atari) [13:16] BrokenLinuxes, tarzeau: Please remember to keep this to support. If you'd like to chat, please head over to #ubuntu-offtopic [13:17] pragmaticenigma: why so strict? === fotato is now known as bootato [13:17] pragmaticenigma o7 [13:18] B|ack0p: People come here looking for assistance. If they see random chat, they may feel they can't ask about their support question. [13:19] i understand but i just asked a simple question linux/ubuntu based [13:19] not kernel but it is still about linux/ubuntu [13:20] i feel anxious asking here recently because all the time i am getting a warning [13:20] offtopic or suggestion ..etc === lunjer is now known as bittin_ [13:27] B|ack0p: Take a look at the room topic if confused, or here is what each room is for: #ubuntu - Support online, help with application/system crashes, configuration issues, things that prevent you from completing your task. #ubuntu-discuss - discussion about ubuntu and its operation, how to do a task, system optimizations. #ubuntu-offtopic - For anything not part of the previous two rooms, including application recommendations, [13:27] polling for suggestions, system tweaking, idle chat with community members. [13:28] pragmaticenigma: ok sorry [13:29] another question and i think this is ubuntu related :p [13:29] i just received error reporting popup about update notifier [13:30] title is update notifier at top bar [13:30] update-notifier * [13:31] but it is a popup window saying "system program problem detected" [13:31] no details [13:31] this is 2nd popup i faced in few mins.. first one pops up after i login to ubuntu.. this is after a while about 10-15 mins later probably [13:32] B|ack0p, yo ucan paste : ls -al /var/crash | pastebinit [13:33] ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CsqDJhHNGF/ [13:33] B|ack0p, what's you release and kernel ? [13:33] ioria: Linux uthink-x601s 5.0.0-32-generic #34~18.04.2-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 10 10:36:02 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [13:34] latest 18.04 [13:34] suppose to be 18.04.3 why does it show 18.04.2 ? [13:35] B|ack0p, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade [13:36] ioria: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. === Pici is now known as TalkingMuffin [13:36] B|ack0p, you can reove the content of /var/crash and reboot [13:37] *remove [13:37] ioria: how to remove? [13:37] sudo rm /var/crash ? [13:37] B|ack0p, you don't know how to remove a file ? [13:37] i dont usually use terminal for that [13:37] B|ack0p, sudo rm -rif /var/crash/* [13:38] ioria: thx [13:38] all clean and fresh crash folder now :p [13:38] B|ack0p, reboot [13:38] ok [13:41] no error report so far [13:43] B|ack0p, test it for a little time; those were big crashes [13:43] ok [13:43] thx [13:44] np === festerB is now known as boredAF [13:58] when is [13:59] ubuntu 20.04 there????? release ??????????????????????????????????????? [13:59] ubuking: in #ubuntu+1 [14:05] Question, will the command "apt-get install linux-headers-generic" ever install headers not needed for the currently running system? [14:06] when i run that, it's wanting to install headers much different from the current uname -r output [14:08] BrokenLinuxes: wich ubuntu version are you on, and what are you trying to do please? [14:09] 14.04.5, having issues with an install of an application during the build and insert driver phase [14:09] BrokenLinuxes: 14.04 is end of life, do you pay for ESM support? [14:09] i know this is an unsupported version but this application install is part of my migration and upgrade process [14:09] lotuspsychje no, HWE ran out april 2019 on that one [14:10] ran fine on 7 similar servers [14:11] !eolupgrade | BrokenLinuxes [14:11] BrokenLinuxes: End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [14:12] BrokenLinuxes: please understand upgrading from an eol version can have security risks, see !usn aswell [14:13] BrokenLinuxes: more reccomended is backup your data, and clean install a supported ubuntu version from the channels topic [14:14] that's what i'm in the midst of doing, upgrading to a supported release [14:48] What difference any is there to having no partitions and using /dev/sda as the filesystem vs one huge partition /dev/sda1? [14:48] what difference if any* [14:51] I don't know on older pre-UEFI systems, but doesn't UEFI insist on a small boot partition of its own? [14:54] octav1a: having no partitions at all is possible but unusual, and may confuse you and others in the future, for the insignificant gain of not having to store a partition table [14:54] octav1a: the partition table is a few KiB at most [14:55] idk, it was that way when I got there (huge raid5 data block on a development machine) so I was kind of wondering why [14:56] but besides the fact that it initially was strange to me, no technical gotchas I guess? [14:58] octav1a: well, I *think* it makes it impossible to repartition without wiping everything first, but if you don't need to repartition, then there's no problem [14:59] partition table is a few bytes at most [14:59]