[00:00] <sarnold> heh, I made my /boot too small .. I did a snapshot of it after install, and then kept wondering why I had to keep cleaning up full /boot during every kernel update...
[00:01] <Strontium> I have mirrored ssd's in my laptop, and I just didn't (don't) trust flash cells not to die.  I know the stats say they are better than hdd, but old experience with flash is hard to erase.
[00:01] <Strontium> sarnold: yes i was never brave enough to use zfs on /boot
[00:01] <sarnold> Strontium: oh man, mirrored ssds on the laptop.. sounds good. I'd quite like to have eg four nvmes in this thing..
[00:02] <Strontium> this is an old laptop now, they are both sata.  And i pulled the dvd drive out and replaced it with a 2TB hdd.  The SSD's are only 128GB.
[00:03] <Strontium> Its worked really nice.  I have the os on the SSDs and a decent amount of L2ARC for the HDD which makes it feel a lot faster.
[00:03] <Strontium> Its hard to find a laptop that can have enough drives to do this now.
[00:05] <sarnold> Strontium: oh sweeeeet, that sounds like a nice setup
[00:05] <gbellinoz> Strontium: I just had a Corsair SSD issue a SMART failure about a dying sector.
[00:05] <gbellinoz> First time, of 4 SSDs and a few years, so I'm now joining your paranoid/dinosaur club :)
[00:05] <sarnold> my old laptop had dual bays for drives, I had one ssd and one much larger hdd, and did rsnapshot I think between them..
[00:06] <Strontium> gbellinoz: yes, its a small club but i will always run ssd's mirrored if i care about the data.
[00:06] <gbellinoz> The problem I always have with mirroring is it's 2x the hardware usage for the once-in-five-years failure day.
[00:07] <gbellinoz> I've always just relied on hourly snapshots and off-site backups.
[00:07] <Strontium> gbellinoz: yes, but thats offset in my mind by the improved performance.
[00:08] <gbellinoz> Do you ever mismatch disk sizes, or just always buy them in pairs?
[00:12] <sarnold> gbellinoz: you do get increased read iops with mirrors though..
[00:37] <ScottyK> Greetings! I dual boot Ubuntu and windows 10 on my laptop. The laptop has a spot for a microsd card. What should I format the card for both OS to be able to read from it. I plan to store linux distros and movies on it.
[00:40] <sarnold> fat is the only filesystem both understand natively; ntfs is probably a good choice, even though the linux support for that is via fuse I think; exfat may also be a choice, but it's newer and perhaps not as reliable, and also done via fuse
[00:40] <ScottyK> ok thanks!
[00:44] <gbellinoz> what happened to vfat?
[00:45] <gbellinoz> ScottyK: Be careful. I had a windows install blow my Linux partition away one time out of probably 8 times doing that exact thing... so I was forced to give Windows its own SSD and unplug the linux SSD when installing Windows. Pretty shitty.
[00:45] <Kon-> I would never format a micro SD card as NTFS
[00:45] <Kon-> or FAT, really
[00:45] <Kon-> Use exFAT, especially if you plan to use it with a camera
[00:48] <dbtid> i've just installed ubuntu 16.04 LTS onto a laptop (i tried 19 but for many reasons, it didn't work well for me), and I need 16 because it's one I know I can install java 1.7 which is required for work.
[00:48] <dbtid> odd thing: the virtual consoles don't appear when i hit ctrl-alt-Fn.  they're THERE, because if i enter loging informaiton and run sudo reboot, the machine reboots.
[00:48] <dbtid> but they don't appear on the monitor.
[00:48] <dbtid> anyone seen this before?
[00:48] <dbtid> i've googled lots of combinations of descriptions of the issue, but nothing.
[00:50] <sarnold> dbtid: is the screen black or off or..?
[00:51] <dbtid> the X screens are still shown
[00:51] <akk> dbtid: Are they all missing? On 19.*, I was missing ctl-alt-F2 and F3, but F4 worked, and after I went to F4, sometimes 2 and 3 would work.
[00:51] <dbtid> the mouse cursor disappers
[00:51] <akk> dbtid: I never figured out why that was, though.
[00:52] <dbtid> well, i've tried 1-6, no luck
[00:52] <dbtid> the cursor in my text terminal disappears, and when i hit ctrl-alt-f7 i've got access to my GUI session
[00:52] <dbtid> this is so weird
[00:52] <dbtid> i edited /etc/systemd/login.conf
[00:53] <akk> Ubuntu is definitely weird about the virtual consoles.
[00:53] <dbtid> uncommented NAutoVTs and ReserveVT and rebooted, but that changed nothing
[00:53] <akk> yeah, that didn't make any difference for me either.
[00:53] <dbtid> well, when this laptop ran Ubu 14, all was well.
[00:53] <dbtid> and it worked on 19
[00:53] <dbtid> 19 was making me nuts though
[00:53] <dbtid> but 16 doesn't work
[00:53] <akk> I'm guessing it might be hard to get much help for 16, that's a long time ago.
[00:53] <dbtid> (banghead)
[00:53] <dbtid> well, it's LTS :)
[00:55] <dbtid> oh, and i tried running chvt, and i get the same effect as hitting the corresponding ctrl-alt-fn key :)
[00:55] <dbtid> the keyboard is rerouted to the terminal, but the screen doesn't change
[00:56] <sarnold> dbtid: so a few guesses .. (a) maybe it's nvidia-ish mess? that's way out of my experience..
[00:56] <dbtid> it's a radeon controller
[00:56] <sarnold> dbtid: (b) maybe you can fix it by fiddling aruond with eg vga= or video= kernel command line parameters, or perhaps others.. they are documented at https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html  but it's hard to know which ones to suggest
[00:58] <longus_catus> do-release-upgrade says I can't upgrade until i've installed all updates.  But I've done apt-get dist-upgrade, upgraded everything, and even rebooted
[00:58] <longus_catus> I think this is because I have a held package.  Well, I want the package held...
[00:58] <longus_catus> Is this why?  How do I get it to upgrade regardless?
[01:01] <oerheks> longus_catus, seems like a critical package.
[01:02] <Strontium> gbellinoz: i bought these as pairs, but its not super critical, so 2 x 256GB SSD's (Different brand) would work fine.  You may not get full utilisation of one if 256GB != 256GB but that shouldn't be a big loss.
[01:02] <dbtid> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/17-04-cant-switch-ttys-with-ctrl-alt-f-x/13043
[01:02] <dbtid> that exactly describes th eproblem
[01:02] <dbtid> aha!  the laptop is in the dock.
[01:02] <longus_catus> oerheks: It's firefox
[01:03] <oerheks> firefox gets frequently updates.
[01:03] <Strontium> gbellinoz: if i am not interested in data safety i would use ZFS and stripe a bunch of cheap small SSD's, you get incredible read/write performance doing this.  Much better return than trying to get the fastest single SSD you can on the fastest bus.
[01:03] <longus_catus> Oh, you literally just mean "there is a package with an upgrade"
[01:04] <longus_catus> I guess I'll sed my /etc/apt and upgrade from there
[01:05] <pragmaticenigma> longus_catus: If you hold back a package, anything that depends on that package will not update, as the dependency is because something is required. There is no way to force an upgrade, as what ever has the dependency will fail and thus other applications will begin to fail to run. You have to release the held package to get the update
[01:05] <longus_catus> I see what you mean.  I forgot that the the version dependencies is both the pro and con.
[01:06] <dbtid> so, a bit more, there's two video adapters: an intel in the laptop, and a radeon in the dock.
[01:06] <dbtid> so i'll just undock to do what i want.
[01:07] <pragmaticenigma> longus_catus: If firefox updating too frequently is a problem. i would recommend looking into Firefox Extended Support Releases (ESR) which only release when there are critical vulnerabilities being patched, and feature updates are far less frequent
[01:07] <sarnold> dbtid: aha! I didn't think that happened with amd, I figured they were amd all the way through..
[01:07] <sarnold> dbtid: thanks :)
[01:08] <indoorcat_> i got an ubuntu usb drive to work with unetbootin but my windows one didnt work, or didn't get read when I hit f12
[01:08] <indoorcat_> using mkusb now
[01:08] <longus_catus> So, you're saying that if firefox depends on a certain version of libc, libc can never upgrade while teh package is held?
[01:08] <indoorcat_> my windows didn't work either
[01:08] <pragmaticenigma> longus_catus: correct
[01:09] <longus_catus> Thanks for your specific suggestion about ESR
[01:09] <akk> longus_catus: one possibility: install an ESR firefox from mozilla.org rather than from the distro, if they offer an ESR that's old enough.
[01:10] <henninb> hi trying to build termite, the build cannot find <gtk/gtk.h>, installed libgtk-3-dev already. Any thought on how to get these header files?
[01:10] <pragmaticenigma> longus_catus: While volunteers can't offer support for software from PPAs, this is where you can get ESRs through apt: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[01:10] <oerheks> snap install –channel=esr/stable firefox
[01:11] <oerheks> :-)
[01:11] <sarnold> henninb: is it a gtk-2 or a gtk-3 application?
[01:11] <pragmaticenigma> or the snap is probably a safer option
[01:11] <oerheks> = FF 60
[01:11] <henninb> sarnold I am not sure if it is gtk-2 or 3.
[01:12] <indoorcat_> to make a pop os bootable usb, with mkusb, what option do i choose the live  version for ubuntu and debian one or the iso one on top?
[01:12] <sarnold> henninb: alright, try installing libgtk2.0-dev and see if it gets further :) heh
[01:12] <henninb> sarnold, I will try
[01:12] <aernan> hi all
[01:13] <henninb> sarnold, libgtk2.0-dev is already installed.
[01:13] <henninb> same issue
[01:14] <indoorcat_> hi
[01:15] <akk> henninb: gtk programs typically need to be configured to find the location of the include files (which you can find with locate gtk/gtk.h)
[01:15] <aernan> So some of my users are coming from windows via VNC to ubuntu 18.04 and experiencing random freezes on the system running in VMware ESXI. I've checked top/htop/iostat and I'm not getting high IOWAIT, network latency is 2ms. Where else should I look?
[01:15] <sarnold> henninb: what's the output of pkg-config --cflags gtk+-3.0 vte-2.91
[01:16] <akk> henninb: so maybe configure didn't work right -- look at the -I lines in the compile line that's failing, there should be something like -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0
[01:16] <akk> (or 3.0, whichever one it wants)
[01:16] <pragmaticenigma> aernan: what are you using as a VNC service provider?
[01:16] <henninb> akk, I will see if I can find out how it is found in this autogen.sh.
[01:16] <sarnold> akk: https://github.com/thestinger/termite/blob/master/Makefile
[01:16] <aernan> pragmaticenigma, default ubuntu stuff I believe.
[01:16] <akk> henninb: There's probably a config.log which might be easier to search than autogen.sh
[01:17] <henninb> akk, will check
[01:17] <akk> henninb: It'll still be long, but if you search for occurrences of gtk in config.log that might tell you something.
[01:18] <pragmaticenigma> aernan: I would suggest you find out... there are a lot of options, and that's the only way a volunteer is going be able to help trouble shoot. There is no default ubuntu stuff for VNC servers... you could be running x11vnc, vino, or some other package. it's something you as the system admin would have had to make the decision to run
[01:18] <aernan> pragmaticenigma, I'm looking now
[01:18] <sarnold> aernan: maybe check packet loss or error counters on the NICs in question? maybe a machine is dropping packets every now and then
[01:19] <henninb> akk, logs show this: configure:15450: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.40.0 gobject-2.0 pango >= 1.22.0 gtk+-3.0 >= 3.8.0 gobject-2.0 gio-2.0 gio-unix-2.0 zlib libpcre2-8 >= 10.21 gnutls >= 3.2.7) were not met
[01:19] <aernan> pragmaticenigma, vnc4server is the package name
[01:19] <aernan> sarnold, in a virtual environment will the vnic show actual packet drops?
[01:20] <akk> henninb: I'm surprised it even generated a makefile if package requirements weren't met. But in the config.log you can see what it was actually looking for, so you can add whatever's missing.
[01:20] <henninb> akk, me too. usually it fails with the missage package.
[01:21] <aernan> sarnold, I do see a total of 33 drops over 6 days uptime.
[01:23] <indoorcat_> with mkusb, for pop os i just choose the top selection , the iso one?
[01:23] <Strontium> sarnold: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1850872
[01:25] <indoorcat_> for pop os, i clone the iso with mkusb?
[01:26] <indoorcat_> anyone?
[01:26] <indoorcat_> bueller?
[01:26] <JimBuntu> indoorcat_, not sure if this is a continuation from an earlier discussion... but popOS is not a supported flavor of Ubuntu for this channel, last I knew
[01:29] <sarnold> aernan: and the hardware nics? that's probably not enough to be too worried... but check that number from time to time as people complain?
[01:29] <indoorcat_> JimBuntu, nobody responded to my ppd issue on ask ubuntu
[01:29] <sarnold> Strontium: thanks
[01:29] <indoorcat_> man I just need tech friends to help me
[01:30] <JimBuntu> indoorcat_, official doc appears to be https://support.system76.com/articles/live-disk/
[01:30] <JimBuntu> indoorcat_, I'm not surprised no one responded though, Canonical doesn't create popOS or control what they release/etc
[01:31] <JimBuntu> Even though it's basically a skinned and modified Ubuntu, I don't think it's officially supported by Ubuntu any more than debian supports Ubuntu, so ##linux or their official channel for popOS would be the go to places, but we all like to help when we can
[01:32] <indoorcat_> disks doesn't work for me, i need the computer to read it and i press f12 and then boot from usb
[01:32] <indoorcat_> so far i can only make ubuntu usb bootables, windows and pop os doesn't work
[01:34] <JimBuntu> If you boot from an Ubuntu live system, can you then make the popOS bootable? Either way, it could be something common between the popOS and Windows systems. I'm simply not up to date on what all has been changed from the official Ubuntu release to the popOS version of it to know
[01:34] <indoorcat_> JimBuntu, I am using ubuntu 19.04 and having issues getting my printer to work, the usb bootables is just me having a work around so i can print tomorrow
[01:35] <indoorcat_> I messed up my dual boot and am stuck with ubuntu
[01:36] <JimBuntu> 19.04 is supported by the volunteers in this channel, not something I can help with ( too new ). Drop your `lsb_release -a`, printer make/model info and exactly what is happening and give it at least 10 minutes and you should hook someone, maybe longer, but give it some patience and someone should be around to help
[01:36] <indoorcat_> g=brb
[02:42] <Ascavasaion> I am installing a networked printer (standalone conencted via ethernet).  I am sing the print manager and I can find the printer but it asks me what connection to use... Driverless IPP, AppSocket/HP JetDirect, or LPD network printer via DNS-SD.  Which do I use?
[02:45] <longus_catus> Your printer setup page should have some information about what it even supports
[02:46] <longus_catus> or you could use nmap to see the open ports
[02:47] <Ascavasaion> longus_catus: nmap worked... excellent... thank you.  Printer seems to support all three.  Thank you.
[02:49] <acidtripper> Hi
[02:49] <acidtripper> somebody using dell 5490?
[02:50] <acidtripper> having troubles to recongize seagate usb drive of 1tb
[02:56] <magic_ninja_work> acidtripper, use a paste service to give the output of lsusb
[02:58] <acidtripper> no output man
[02:58] <acidtripper> not recognized in kernel
[02:58] <magic_ninja_work> Even if not recognized the usb subsystem should see the controller for the external drive
[02:59] <magic_ninja_work> are you saying that lsusb gives you no output at all?
[03:00] <magic_ninja_work> Also, if lsusb isn't seeing it, then it isn't showing up. Either it isn't getting enough power for the controller to be recognized or the drive is damaged.
[03:02] <acidtripper> magic_ninja_work, gives output but not related to the drive
[03:02] <acidtripper> neither dmesg
[03:02] <acidtripper> is not recognized at all
[03:03] <magic_ninja_work> So the usb subsystem isn't seeing it at all. The most likely cause is that it isn't getting power / isn't getting enough power.
[03:11] <comet23> hello
[03:11] <comet23> anyone on 19.10?
[03:11] <comet23> i can't drag and drop stuff =(
[03:11] <comet23> i sware the drag and drop thing worked on 18 and earlier but could it be a virtual box problem?
[03:23] <comet23> anyone in ubuntu?
[03:23] <comet23> i knead help
[03:24] <ArthurStrong> comet23: so?
[03:24] <comet23> yea so liek the drag and drop dozen work in 19.10 is that normel?
[03:25] <ArthurStrong> comet23: no, it should work
[03:25] <comet23> hmm
[03:25] <comet23> i mean liek when u drag nd drop from downloads to desktop as example
[03:57] <indoorcat> got the printer working, eric pointed it out to me kind of earlier, but i wasn't extracting the tar file that was my driver in terminal and it didn't create a directory for the ppd files when I installed the install.sh file
[03:57] <indoorcat> i right clicked and extracted and that messed everything up
[03:58] <indoorcat> man that was painful
[05:04] <magic_ninja_work> anyone know if there is a way to configure an hp scanner to scan to a linux machine from the scanner itself?
[05:06] <magic_ninja_work> it looks like hp calls the feature "Scan to"
[05:06] <Wulf> magic_ninja_work: what does that mean?
[05:06] <magic_ninja_work> Most modern scanners have a list of computers on the local network you can send a scan to, and the computer is configured to receive and store it.
[05:08] <Wulf> magic_ninja_work: that means your scanner got network connection?
[05:08] <magic_ninja_work> Well yea
[05:08] <magic_ninja_work> A good portion of modern printer/scanners are network printer scanners
[05:08] <Wulf> mine is connected through usb.
[05:09] <magic_ninja_work> I *can* connect mine through usb. It is just easier to plug it in somewhere and set it out of the way.
[05:09] <Wulf> well, I'm sure it's possible. But you need to find out what protocol is used.
[05:10] <Wulf> perhaps cifs and the receiving computer provides a share?
[05:10] <Wulf> or do you need to install custom software on each computer?
[05:10] <magic_ninja_work> I'm looking now. HP has a pretty good linux driver that just works. On debian I had to install it. On ubuntu it was already there and the cups daemon auto configures it.
[05:11] <magic_ninja_work> But it also installs every single printer it finds, EVER, so I turned that off.
[05:14] <magic_ninja_work> The funny thing is that the scanner detects my VMs and can scan to them.
[05:27] <leden> maqic ninja work, install 'XSane' that little app will search for scanner
[05:28] <comet23> how do you install drag and drop to ubuntu 19.10?
[05:28] <comet23> like i want to drag downloads to desktop
[05:28] <comet23> but it doesn't work
[05:39] <leden> comet23, install gnome shell extension --> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/2087/desktop-icons-ng-ding/ will allow to drag and drop files on your desktop
[05:40] <comet23> thank you leden
[06:14] <vlt> magic_ninja_work: The sane driver for the HP scanners is for initiating the scan from the computer. The "scan to" function on the scanner usually drops files to an SMB share.
[06:23] <magic_ninja_work> vlt, okay, that makes sense. So if the printer can see the share, then it will likely show up.
[06:27] <vlt> magic_ninja_work: That I don’t know. Maybe you have to manually provide the SMB config to the scanner. I always use the sane driver and refuse to even have a look at scanners that want it the other way round :D
[06:30] <magic_ninja_work> the scanner works fine with sane, but when scanning multiple pages it would be nice to be able to do it all from the scanner
[07:37] <Wulf> magic_ninja_work: with my scanner (usb connected), the buttons don't work. When I want to scan multiple pages, I use the "scanimage" program. The scanning speed is limited by the speed of the scanner tray.
[07:38] <Wulf> or whatever that moving part is called
[08:02] <Taggnostr> EriC^, moritzdietz: I ended up formatting the disk to ext4, and I'm trying again to copy the files on the 19.10 machine, however it starts fast and then the speed drops in the kB/s range and gets stuck there
[08:03] <Taggnostr> I tried both the USB3 ports available, and also disconnected the usb mouse to make sure it doesn't interfere
[08:16] <haishu> hello! I am trying to find some easy open-source library software (clientside only) to use for the library in my school
[08:16] <haishu> (school I work at) are there any that exist in the default repositories? recomendations?
[08:22] <renn0xtk9> I dont manage to make any working udev rules on my system :S. Like this one she does not work. anybody knows why ?
[08:22] <renn0xtk9> SUBSYSTEM=="input", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ACTION=="add", RUN+="/bin/date > /home/max/test.txt"
[08:52] <Wulf> haishu: your favourite web browser?
[08:52] <Wulf> haishu: the library would then have a server side.
[09:18] <zamanf> hi
[09:18] <zamanf> anyone had problems connecting bluetooth headphones to ubuntu 18?
[09:20] <coz_> zamanf, I wish I could help with that issue. I am, at the moment, on Fedora 31. No bluetooth issues here. When I go back to Ubuntu I may be able to help. Apologies
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> coz_: if you cant help, please dont reply, leave the issue for other volunteers that can help
[09:24] <coz_> lotuspsychje, I understand what you are trying to say
[09:28] <zamanf> https://i.imgur.com/5UcKgaJ.png
[09:28] <Netmage> Hi, has anyone an idea why it is not possible to use hdparm -y /dev/sdc in crontab but it works when use the command via normal shell
[09:32] <tarzeau> Netmage: you don't get a mail telling why not?
[09:33] <tarzeau> maybe give the full path to hdparm? /sbin/hdparm
[09:36] <Netmage> This is what I see in syslog
[09:36] <Netmage> Nov  1 10:00:01 ubuntu CRON[17356]: (root) CMD (hdparm -y /dev/sdc)
[09:36] <Netmage> Nov  1 10:00:01 ubuntu CRON[17357]: (root) CMD (hdparm -y /dev/sdb)
[09:37] <tarzeau> Netmage: i was asking about mail not log
[09:37] <tarzeau> Netmage: can you run "mail" ?
[09:37] <Netmage> my root user didn't get any mail
[09:38] <Netmage> mail is not installed
[09:50] <Guest40456> Hi,
[09:50] <Guest40456>  I am wandering why only after i did 'update-initramfs' the blacklist I have in /etc/modprobe.d took effect. I thought it has nothing to do with initramfs. Can someone explain that ot me? I am using 18.04.
[09:52] <Wulf> Guest40456: perhaps the module was loaded inside the initramfs?
[09:55] <Guest40456> Wulf: Yes, I found the module inside initramfs but I wasn't aware the blacklisting in /etc/modprobe.d has an inpact on initramfs behaviour. Because it does ?
[10:00] <Netmage> The complete path was the solution
[10:00] <TJ-> 18.04, v5.3.0-21-lowlatency, on reboot lost access to embedded (USB) Bluetooth device. sysfs reports the device (hci0) but bluetoothctl nor hcitool find it
[10:10] <zamanf> https://i.imgur.com/5UcKgaJ.png anyone knows how to fix this issue? it disconnects right after it gets visible (sony headphones)
[10:11] <tarzeau> Netmage: i was telling you so since the beginning
[10:11] <tarzeau> Netmage: and the reason is simply because cron doesn't get your users environment variables
[10:14] <jeremy31> zamanf: check in terminal>  pactl list short | grep blue   #you should see module-bluetooth-discover
[10:15] <Netmage> Yes, this was the conformation that you are right
[10:15] <Netmage> this was a implicit "thank you"
[10:17] <Netmage> How can I set the correct environment variable for root in the crontab (-e)
[10:19] <ponyrider> i suppose you could export them from .xinitrc?
[10:21] <zamanf> jeremy31, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mttjcvfhVC/
[10:22] <jeremy31> zamanf: in bluetoothctl try>  connect 70:26:05:AB:67:02
[10:23] <zamanf> Device 70:26:05:AB:67:02 not available
[10:24] <vlt> Netmage: I haven't read your actual problem but sometimes I solve cron/environment problems with a crontab line like this: * * ... /bin/bash --login the_actual_cronjob.sh
[10:25] <jeremy31> zamanf: was the headset still in pairing mode?
[10:26] <jeremy31> zamanf: you may have to do this in bluetoothctl>  pair 70:26:05:AB:67:02    then>  trust 70:26:05:AB:67:02   before connect
[10:47] <freelancerbob> please how to set home page on chrome in ubuntu. i am lost :/
[10:48] <Netmage> vlt: Ok. I will try it
[10:49] <rommel> freelancerbob, https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95314?hl=en
[10:55] <dionysus69> has anyone ready workaround for 2 monitor setup with different sizes? 4k and FHD monitors are nearly twice the size difference so moving mouse from one to another needs some aiming
[10:56] <dionysus69> is there a good workaround so mouse is smartly handled if the edge is detected?
[10:56] <dionysus69> so instead of getting stuck in a corner, it shows up on a second monitor edge and continues to move ?
[11:15] <TJ-> At a loss here. An 18.04 desktop system has today repeatedly hung the GUI (nouveau) and eventually (after several minutes) been killed with no clues in any log, no processes consuming CPU/RAM, etc. I've done 5 poweroff restarts so far and it has happened every time. Any suggestions how to diagnose ?
[11:24] <guiverc> TJ-, only thing I can think of is hardware; I'd use a 'live' system to see if issue occurs there (if it does there too, consider hardware tests), if it doesn't then maybe config/installed-18.04 somehow
[11:25] <tarzeau> TJ-: which nvidia graphics card? tried with nvidia binary drivers?
[11:25] <tarzeau> https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/
[11:26] <mertyildiran> Hi, I'm having trouble to connect to a L2TP server. I'm getting `g_dbus_method_invocation_take_error: assertion 'error != NULL' failed` error. Here is the syslog https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Rfk5CN2TqF/ Could someone please tell me how can I fix my configuration and connect to that server?
[11:31] <TJ-> tarzeau: not touching nvidia drivers. Currently experimenting to see if the last 5.3 kernel update is responsible. Starting to look like it is
[11:32] <tarzeau> TJ-: how many screens does nouveau driver support at one card? 2? 3? 4?
[11:33] <tarzeau> (just being curious, since i've had so much trouble with them, including no support for CUDA) so no chance to use nouveau here
[11:33] <TJ-> tarzeau: not entirely sure; I've got systems with 6 displays but all of those are 2 outputs-per-GPU instance
[11:33] <tarzeau> and that works with nouveau?
[11:33] <tarzeau> so their matrix must be heavily outdated
[11:33] <TJ-> tarzeau: but from what I've seen in code and reports there's no problem handling all outputs the GPU presents
[11:34] <TJ-> So far 4.15.0-68 is behaving... I'll start loading more applications and monitor it
[12:09] <g1itch> I've got bionic on my home server and it seems to have a small delay when I ssh into it (compared to a previous distro). I'm thinking it might be the MOTD message displayed on log in? How can I disable this?
[12:09] <Wulf> g1itch: how small is the delay?
[12:10] <g1itch> about 2 seconds?
[12:10] <Wulf> check for dns issues.
[12:11] <g1itch> Why would it be DNS? It's a LAN SSH connection
[12:11] <g1itch> (not saying it couldn't be)
[12:11] <Wulf> because it's always dns.
[12:12] <WaV> I was having a similar issue with my FTP server within the LAN. It was DNS related.
[12:13] <g1itch> I feel this is appropriate? https://www.cyberciti.biz/media/new/cms/2017/04/dns.jpg
[12:13] <g1itch> So I'm running AdGuard on a local Pi as my DNS resolver.
[12:13] <g1itch> Which hasn't changed from the last distro I had on this machine.
[12:56] <TJ-> gluon: it's MOTD, disable this: /etc/pam.d/sshd:33:session    optional     pam_motd.so  motd=/run/motd.dynamic
[12:56] <TJ-> oops
[12:57] <TJ-> g1itch ^^^
[13:18] <TomyWork> Since updating smbclient and related packages from 2:4.7.6+dfsg~ubuntu-0ubuntu2.11 to 2:4.7.6+dfsg~ubuntu-0ubuntu2.13, I can no longer access DFS shares. Is anyone else having this issue?
[13:19] <TomyWork> i see "CIFS VFS: ioctl error in smb2_get_dfs_refer rc=-19" in dmesg
[13:48] <rr123> touch x y; ln -sf x z; ln -sf y z; will change symlinks and do the right thing: z-->y
[13:49] <rr123> mkdir -p x y; ln -sf x z; ln -sf y z; will not change symlinks, so ln -f does not work directories? isn't dir also a file under linux
[13:49] <toolz> a dir is a dir
[13:49] <toolz> a file is a file
[13:50] <rr123> how can I forcefully change symlink? do I have to remove the dir first or is there a flag like '-f' for directories
[13:50] <TomyWork> rr123, man ls says "List information about the FILEs (the current directory by default)."
[13:50] <rr123> it took me a long while to find out this bug :(
[13:51] <TomyWork> toolz, ^
[13:53] <TomyWork> toolz, also see: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/xrat/V4_xbd_chap03.html#tag_21_03_00_15
[13:53] <rr123> ln -snf will do it, gosh
[13:54] <rr123> -n, --no-dereference treat LINK_NAME as a normal file if it is a symbolic link to a directory
[14:01] <TomyWork> rr123, if the target is an actual directory, you're not going to replace that with that command
[14:01] <TomyWork> you're aware of that, right?
[14:09] <rr123> TomyWork: not really, I did "mkdir -p x y; ln -sf x z; ln -sf y z" and it worked for me, z-->y as expected instead of z-->x
[14:09] <rr123> i mean: ln -snf x z; ln -snf y z
[14:11] <TomyWork> rr123, yeah but you didn't mkdir z :)
[14:13] <rr123> i c, yeah I am not going to overwrite a real dir anyway, thanks for pointing this out.
[14:28] <dps> good morning everyone
[14:38] <shreds> hi, random question. I'm having electricity cuts like crazy today so to keep up working I switch on my LTE that way I can still work on my laptop. The thing is, I cannot connect on my AWS/DO instances anymore via SSH? It hangs and ends up with connection closed.  I have a work VPN on which I always have the same IP so this should not matter and my pub/priv keys are still there and ok.
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> shreds: That sounds like a network provider issue, not an Ubuntu issue
[14:39] <shreds> only thing ssh debug tells me weird is: Missing privilege separation directory: /run/sshd
[14:40] <shreds> my LTE network works fine, I'm here talking to you
[14:40] <shreds> my cable network is down because of electricity but that's not part of the question, only context
[14:40] <pragmaticenigma> shreds: Some mobile carriers block encrypted traffic. You should call the network provider if all other things are working with out issue
[14:40] <pragmaticenigma> by encrypted I'm talking VPNs and SSH
[14:41] <shreds> would I still be able to connect to my encrypted VPN if they'd do so?
[14:41] <shreds> VPN works fine
[14:41] <shreds> I can push to GitHub/GitLab via SSH fine
[14:41] <pragmaticenigma> shreds: I'm not your mobile network provider, I have no idea
[14:41] <shreds> only connecting to my AWS instances on which the IP I'm using is whitelisted
[14:41] <shreds> I'll try to figure it out
[14:41] <shreds> thanks
[14:41] <pragmaticenigma> shreds: Then that sounds like an AWS issue... if other things work.
[14:41] <pragmaticenigma> process of elinimation there
[14:42] <TJ-> shreds: are you sure your LTE provider isn't using CGNAT in which case the IP address your device gets locally may not be the one being seen by AWS/DO
[14:42] <shreds> servers are up and worked via SSH when I was on cable 20 mins ago, same for digital ocean
[14:42] <TJ-> shreds: if you want to check hit one of those whatismyip sites
[14:42] <shreds> icanhazip give the right IP
[14:42] <shreds> so I guess not
[14:43] <shreds> but good point
[14:43] <TJ-> shreds: can you connect to those endpoints using other protocols?
[14:44] <TJ-> shreds: also, are you (trying to) connect to AWS/DO through your work VPN?
[14:45] <shreds> http/80 works
[14:45] <shreds> and using vpn to connect to aws worked 20 mins ago via my cable connection
[14:46] <shreds> only difference is what's behind the VPN now is my lte connection
[14:46] <leftyfb> shreds: http://ipchicken.com  verify the public ip you're coming from
[14:46] <shreds> that's what boggling my mind, to the other end (AWS) it shouldn't matter if the private key and IP matches AWS' conf?
[14:46] <TJ-> shreds: so locahost > LTE > VPN > work > AWs/DO port 22 = fail ?
[14:47] <TJ-> shreds: or is it localhost > LTE > AWS/DO port 22 = fail ?
[14:48] <shreds>  localhost > LTE > VPN > SSH PORT 22 for everything = fail
[14:48] <shreds> digital ocean, aws, my own dedicated servers, everything via ssh
[14:48] <shreds> I used AWS as example but testing anything else also fails
[14:48] <TJ-> shreds: but *where* is that "VPN" terminating? at your "work", or at AWS/DO ?
[14:48] <shreds> but localhost > "CABLE" > VPN > SSH PORT 22 for everything = works
[14:49] <shreds> vpn is hosted on AWS
[14:49] <shreds> and works fine from LTE
[14:49] <leftyfb> shreds: I still really don't see how this is related to ubuntu at all. This sounds like a VPN/AWS/network provider problem
[14:49] <shreds> which makes it even weirder
[14:49] <shreds> This is related to SSH and related to my distro I used it on
[14:50] <TJ-> shreds: so  localhost > LTE > VPN > AWS connects. At that point you can access the AWS instance with protocols other than ssh/22, or not ?
[14:50] <TJ-> shreds: have you confirmed the local routing table doesn't have entries that are pushing those ssh/22 connections out over LTE instead of inside the VPN tunnel?
[14:51] <shreds> I can always access AWS via all ports with or without VPN. Only SSH fails once I'm on LTE VPN or not. Sorry this is hard to explain I'll try to explain it better
[14:51] <shreds> localhost > LTE > VPN > SSH not working && localhost > LTE > SSH not working
[14:52] <shreds> I did not check the local routing table
[14:52] <TJ-> shreds: local firewall rules? are you using UFW ?
[14:52] <shreds> UFW is disabled on my workstation
[14:53] <tds> how does it not work exactly? can you eg ssh with -v?
[14:53] <tds> lte and a vpn seems likely to end in mtu mess
[14:54] <TJ-> "connection closed" implies there was a "connection opened"
[14:55] <tds> oops, I definitely didn't read through enough scrollback!
[14:55] <shreds> let me try with -v, I'll send the logs once it times out
[14:59] <shreds> holy cow sorry it works without VPN so only don't work "localhost > LTE > VPN > SSH"
[15:02] <TJ-> shreds: if the packets are routed inside the VPN then they should get through unless the LTE provider is blocking it... what VPN software are you using? wireguard, openvpn, ipsec ?
[15:04] <shreds> openvpn
[15:04] <shreds> oh ssh -v is interesting
[15:06] <shreds> it hangs for a while, I'll pastebin the results as soon as I get it to timeout
[15:08] <TJ-> shreds: can you do anything TCP-based through the VPN to the same target ?
[15:08] <shreds> web port (80) works I can curl it without issues
[15:10] <teward> the VPN could be filtering port 22 upstream from you (unless you own the VPN and know it isn't doing that)
[15:10] <shreds> I own the VPN and it's as basic as it gets, straight openvpn but good point
[15:12] <shreds> @TJ- here are the logs https://hastebin.com/emutamivik.makefile
[15:12] <shreds> it hangs on debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_ECDH_REPLY for a while and get connection closed
[15:16] <TJ-> shreds: that is strange... connection established, Key Exchange started... I concur with tds who said earlier this may be MTU related since at that point the hosts will be sending larger packets to do the key exchange negotiation
[15:18] <shreds> I'm far from being an expert but this is an interesting lead. So IT connects it's just the handshaking that goes wrong. This boggles my mind since I'm far from understanding how and why that problem would be MTU related. I'll go read about that some more, interesting problem
[15:19] <shreds> same thing seems to happen with other servers, aws or not
[15:19] <TJ-> shreds: see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/124946/ssh-session-through-openvpn-cuts-off-locks-up-after-a-few-lines  and do some MTU/MSS testing and setting
[15:20] <TJ-> shreds: what is the current openvpn MTU? "ip link show dev tun0" (assumin tun0 is the VPN)
[15:20] <shreds> lol we found the same MTU related posts :P that really seems to related damn you guys are better than me hehe
[15:20] <shreds> @TJ- 31: tun0: <POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST,NOARP,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 100 link/none
[15:21] <shreds> 1500 I guess
[15:21] <tds> there are a lot of layers to this mess
[15:21] <TJ-> shreds: 1500 is expected on a pure Ethernet link. when a VPN is involved tht should be less
[15:21] <tds> the issue probably lies with the mtu on the lte interface, at a guess
[15:21] <TJ-> shreds: just to try a hack fix, do "sudo ip link set dev tun0 mtu 1280"
[15:22] <TJ-> tds: yes... shreds  can you pastebin "ip link show" for us?
[15:22] <TJ-> shreds: after the "...mtu 1280" command retry your SSH connection
[15:25] <shreds> ip link show: https://hastebin.com/yepuvekolo.cs
[15:25] <shreds> trying mtu hack
[15:25] <shreds> WTF
[15:25] <shreds> it works!!!
[15:25] <shreds> you are crazy geniuses
[15:25] <shreds> they all now work DAMN
[15:25] <TJ-> shreds: ha, and that last pastebin doesn't show an LTE network device :)
[15:26] <shreds> I connect to LTE via my iphone tethering, sorry I forgot to mention that
[15:26] <TJ-> shreds: you can configure openvpn to use a lower MTU so that it works whether it has LTE underneath or not
[15:26] <shreds> is there anywhere I could read a quick crash course why this resolves my issue?
[15:26] <TJ-> shreds: oh... well ^^^^
[15:26] <shreds> ohhhh good thing
[15:26] <shreds> so I can tweak openvpn config to specify MTU?
[15:27] <TJ-> shreds: TCP packets that are marked "Don't Fragment" and are larger than the MTU ... what do routers do with them since they cannot forward them?
[15:28] <shreds> I guess they just can't do anything thus why it was timeout'ing?
[15:28] <shreds> oh this makes so much sense!
[15:28] <TJ-> shreds: are you using Network Maanger to configure the openvpn client side?
[15:28] <shreds> yes and nmcli to up/down the connection
[15:29] <TJ-> shreds: ok, so run nm-connection-editor select the VPN connection, on the VPN tab press the Advanced button, then in the new dialog's General tab set "Use custom tunnel Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU)"
[15:30] <TJ-> on that note I have to run (literally) got 2 Huskies howling to go!
[15:31] <shreds> perfect
[15:31] <shreds> thanks SO MUCH
[15:31] <shreds> have a wonderful run with your huskies!
[15:33] <shreds> so happy I can work now :D :D :D thx tds as well!
[15:36] <webstrand> Does ubuntu still allow mounting overlayfs in unprivileged user namespaces? I know there was a privilege escalation attack using those two features, but I can't tell if the attack was fixed or if overlayfs was just disabled in user namespaces?
[15:51] <grimaldodev> Hello guys, Im looking for the lightest ubuntu distro to use in a raspberry 4 as a main computer, Im a front endeveloper so I commonly use vscode, chrome, firefox, a tons of terminal plugs like tmux and zsh, docker and node
[15:52] <oerheks> i hope that usb bug is solved for rasppi 4..
[15:52] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-raspi2/+bug/1848790
[15:53] <grimaldodev> eventually oh god :( sad, also I have a raspberry 3B but it only has 1gb of ram vscode crash it
[15:54] <oerheks> so far i find no fix or confirmation it is fixed..
[15:56] <leftyfb> grimaldodev: Ubuntu Mate
[15:59] <grimaldodev> @leftyfb is this stable?
[16:01] <leftyfb> grimaldodev: https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[16:02] <grimaldodev> @leftyfb thanks man!
[16:13] <tomreyn> webstrand: if you can identify the CVE for this vulnerability it should be easy to determine the state.
[16:13] <tomreyn> * mitigation state
[16:13] <webstrand> tomreyn: CVE-2015-1328
[16:14] <tomreyn> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/CVE-2015-1328
[16:16] <webstrand> I'm feeling blind; I cant find on that page anywhere that describes what the mitigation was?
[16:18] <tomreyn> webstrand: from what i understand reading this page, none was needed, since the listed packages were in ubuntu either in a configuration which did not expose the vulnerability, or in a software version which was not affected.
[16:20] <webstrand> That's what I'd gather too. But I'm trying to figure out if ubuntu is still carrying the patch (I think it's a patch?) that enables the use of overlayfs in user namespaces, or if they just killed that patch to disable the problem entirely?
[16:20] <webstrand> mainline kernel doesn't allow overlayfs in user namespace, ubuntu is (or was?) unique in that regard
[16:20] <tomreyn> webstrand: actually, my interpretation can't be entirely correct, since there were USNs (advisories) issues for ubuntu 12.04 (which has been out of support for a good while)
[16:22] <tomreyn> webstrand: you may want to ask in #ubuntu-hardened, too
[16:24] <webstrand> tomreyn: thanks for your help
[16:27] <tomreyn> webstrand: you're welcome. maybe also have a look at one of the package versions referenced in the advisories, since it contains more information regarding patches.
[16:32] <tomreyn> webstrand: e.g. if you grep http://launchpadlibrarian.net/209148021/linux_3.13.0-54.91_3.13.0-55.92.diff.gz for "fs/overlayfs" this seems to be related. and then you can compare this to current linux packages and see whether they still carry those patches.
[16:34] <jayjo> i've updated to ubuntu 19.10 from 19.04 and my system is screwed up pretty bad. Can I revert these changes easily? I am using nvidia drivers for a 2 monitor desktop system, the monitors are messed up and boot times take very long. I've restarted the system a few times
[16:34] <EliteGod> hello guys. so, I'm getting a bit annoyed using Xubuntu 19.10. somehow, even with all settings in power manager to not turn off screen or lock the session, that happens if i don't move the mouse after some time even if there's a video playing (in this case, watching Netflix). any ideas?
[16:35] <jayjo> The first few times it just hung. I just let it sit and it booted, but with visualization settings all messed up. Can i revert the installation to 19.04? DO I need to reinstall the nvidia drivers after the upgrade?
[16:38] <webstrand> tomreyn: That pointed me in the right direction, thanks: `UBUNTU: SAUCE: overlayfs: Enable user namespace mounts` is a patch on the current kernel
[16:38] <jayjo> i am trying to run `sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall`
[16:44] <jayjo> it was the nvidia drivers ... i'm back in business!
[16:44] <jayjo> those little hiccups are a very dear part of the ubuntu experience for me
[16:51] <EliteGod> this are my Power Manager settings: https://cloud.galaxyshells.ga/index.php/s/r38jctyBMBdpZRg
[16:56] <tomreyn> EliteGod: i'm not familiar with how xubuntu currently handles power saving (did you ask in #xubuntu, too?) but generally you can work around any power saving modes getting enabled by editing /etc/systemd/logind.conf - see logind.conf(5) for details
[16:56] <EliteGod> tomreyn: thanks for the heads up. I'll ask in #xubuntu first.
[16:57] <t3rminal> Hey
[16:58] <jlacroix> Hello everyone. I'm using Ubuntu 19.10 on an Intel NUC with an i5-5250U. I am using it for recording via OBS (not streaming). Encoding chokes when trying to encode a single 1080p recording. I wouldn't have thought that a 1080p would be too much for an i5, even a low power version. Is it possible that there's some sort of different driver I may need or anything?
[16:58] <t3rminal> I've done a fresh install of ubuntu server 18.04 today and noticed that it only gets to step 12/13 before it says its complete. What is step 13?
[16:59] <oerheks> t3rminal, care to share the howto you used?
[16:59] <t3rminal> oerheks, howto?
[17:00] <oerheks> t3rminal, how would we know step 12/13?
[17:00] <elias_a> t3rminal: Are you talking about the numbers of the screens during installation in GUI mode?
[17:00] <t3rminal> the progress bar at the bottom of the install.
[17:01] <tomreyn> jlacroix: what's the graphics card? or just the igpu?
[17:02] <t3rminal> I think thats probably what it is yes elias_a
[17:06] <pragmaticenigma> jlacroix: Check for thermal throttling... those tiny cases don't have a great amount of airflow. Try running it with the cover off and a fan blowing across the unit on low speed
[17:06] <tomreyn> jlacroix: if it's just the intel igpu you may want to look at whether these packages can help: i965-va-driver vdpau-va-driver mesa-va-drivers   - i'm not really into video, though. but would not expect to be able to create a 1080p real-time video stream on this hardware.
[17:07] <litheum> what is the tor process running by default on my lubuntu 18.04.3 install? it seems super odd that this is enabled by default without there seeming to be any information about why it's there or how to actually use it
[17:08] <pragmaticenigma> litheum: what is the exact name of the process?
[17:09] <t3rminal> oerheks, elias_a; It's at the bottom of the screen when doing the install using the text gui
[17:09] <oerheks> tor by default? ..
[17:09] <tomreyn> litheum: tor is not installed on ubuntu by default
[17:10] <teward> litheum: tor is not running by default on Ubuntu, if it is then either your system's been compromised or you're running Tor Browser or your system has been modified to install and run Tor automatically
[17:10] <jlacroix> Thanks guys I'l try the things you've mentioned. Yes, it's just an internal GPU (intel)
[17:11] <jlacroix> Do you guys think the AMD Ryzen 5 Pro 2400GE CPU would do any better? There's a small PC available near me that I could buy for this purpose
[17:11] <litheum> wild. i'm sure i did something dumb to install it, then
[17:20] <tomreyn> jlacroix: those are windows benchmarks, but should give an indication (the last one is a dedicated mid-price desktop graphics card) https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/Intel-HD-6000-vs-Radeon-RX-Vega-11-vs-Radeon-RX-590/3120vs3893vs4025
[17:21] <jlacroix> tomreyn: thanks I'll give it a shot, I can always return it if it doesn't work out
[17:35] <SkyWay> https://dpaste.de/yBwg
[17:35] <SkyWay> any help ?
[17:47] <tomreyn> SkyWay: make | a ;
[17:48] <SkyWay> still no
[17:50] <tomreyn> SkyWay: eval $(/usr/bin/ssh-agent); /usr/bin/ssh-add ~/.ssh/key
[17:51] <tomreyn> for lack of a description, i'm just guessing what you want to do, though
[17:51] <jhutchins_wk> SkyWay: You'll get more people to actually look at your paste if you post a brief summary with it.
[17:51] <SkyWay> https://dpaste.de/vSxD tomreyn
[17:52] <SkyWay> on existing terminal, and opening again, it asks for password again
[17:52] <SkyWay> i'm trying to add my ssh-key, for a paswordless login. already did ssh-copy-id, but it constantly requires for password prompt for unlocking key
[17:53] <tomreyn> is the key password protected then?
[17:53] <SkyWay> yes
[17:54] <tomreyn> so you'll have to unlock it at least once. ssh-add -X and -t to modify the behaviour further
[17:55] <oerheks> then you want to edit the  /etc/ssh/sshd_config serverside, PasswordAuthentication no + ChallengeResponseAuthentication no # to set key login only ?
[17:55] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openssh-server.html
[18:00] <tomreyn> either that or configure how to authenticate on the client side with a "Host" 'profile' in ~/.ssh/config (PasswordAuthentication no, IdentitiesOnly yes)
[18:06] <SkyWay> solved it with -X and -t, thanks tomreyn
[18:30] <mcr1> releases.ubuntu.com seems to have broken IPv6:
[18:30] <mcr1> herring-[/ssw/videos/torrents]() mcr 5417 %wget http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/ubuntu-18.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[18:30] <mcr1> --2019-11-01 14:28:28--  http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/ubuntu-18.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[18:30] <mcr1> Resolving releases.ubuntu.com (releases.ubuntu.com)... 2001:7b8:3:37::21:3, 2001:67c:1560:8001::7, 2001:67c:1360:8001::26, ...
[18:30] <mcr1> Connecting to releases.ubuntu.com (releases.ubuntu.com)|2001:7b8:3:37::21:3|:80... failed: Permission denied.
[18:31] <Ben64> works here
[18:31] <mcr1> never mind. I found a routing problem.
[18:31] <mcr1> sorry....
[18:32] <mcr1> was looking for a "works here" reply to confirm my idiocy :-)
[19:22] <uldics> After update to 19.10 I have no more sound in Wine games and few other games (Super blood hockey from Steam). When in Playonlinux (Wine frontend) I test for sound, it is there, but nothing when a game is started. How do I get the sound back?
[19:23] <sarnold> no idea on the games specifically, but check the application tab in pavucontrol to see what the sound destination is for the application
[19:40] <pgtjnewb> #/join #java
[19:46] <Randolf> How can I get an updated acme-tiny module?  The one in apt seems to be severely outdated and can't be used to renew Let's Encrypt certificates anymore.
[19:46] <Randolf> I'd prefer to get it through apt.
[19:50] <sarnold> Randolf: this describes the process of bringing newer versions of programs into released ubuntu versions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[19:58] <Randolf> sarnold:  Thank you.  I'll take a look.
[19:59] <uldics> I got disconnected, sorry, some other bugs in my Ubuntu installation. But I have some problem with Ubuntu not giving sound to Wine games. When I test in Playonlinux (Wine frontend) it makes sound, but never in a game. Some Steam games have same problem too.
[20:02] <sarnold> uldics: < sarnold> no idea on the games specifically, but check the application tab in pavucontrol to see what the sound destination is for the application
[20:10] <ioria> uldics, please, give some kind of feedback  when are you offered a suggestion (or we don't know if you have understood it)
[20:15] <uldics> loria, thank you for support, I am trying to get pavucontrol to work, not sure a lot ...
[20:15] <ioria> ok
[20:17] <dps> where would someone report typos or grammatical errors that are found on the official ubuntu website?
[20:17] <uldics> pavucontrol works fine, shows outputs like I nevar seen thembefore, heeh. No suspicion. I thikn there is something below, somewhere in the way from devices to wine. I have full youtube in Chromium sound.
[20:18] <uldics> Might be something to do with Ubuntu dropping some 32 bit library support, but it iss a bit foggy.
[20:19] <uldics> They have stated that 32 bit library support will be provided for some apps, like wine, btu it is too obscure for me to understand
[20:19] <ioria> uldics, dpkg -l | grep libpulse | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:21] <sarnold> dps: most pages have a link at the bottom for reporting bugs
[20:22] <uldics> ioria, done. I suspect pulse to have something to do with it, but it might be the 32 drop of Ubuntu as well
[20:22] <ioria> uldics, paste the url you got
[20:23] <dps> yeah, ive looked everywhere really. its on ubuntu.com, on the page that clicking on "data privacy" leads to, if thats any help
[20:23] <uldics> https://termbin.com/zs2d
[20:23] <sarnold> dps: search for the text "Report a bug on this site"
[20:23] <dps> omg im dumb
[20:23] <sarnold> dps: it's right next to the text "Data privacy"
[20:23] <tomreyn> it's right next to "data privacy"
[20:23] <dps> thank you
[20:25] <bombombom> Hello all! I tried to upgrade my irssi to the latest version using apt-get update, apt-get ugrade, and even reinstall. Seems like the irssi version available from the repo is 1.0.5, which is well bellow 1.2.2 (latest stable). Is it possible for somebody to confirm that i cannot upgrade using Ubuntu repos? Should I try to compile from source and be done with it? Thanks!
[20:25] <ioria> uldics, is winetricks installed ?
[20:26] <ikonia> bombombom: the repos will only offer the version that is in the repos
[20:26] <tomreyn> !latest | bombombom
[20:26] <ikonia> bombombom: is there a specific thing you want from 1.2.2 - and are you sure it's not backported / available in the ubuntu packaged version ?
[20:26] <kostkon> bombombom, try the snap package
[20:29] <uldics> loria:yes, had forgot about it, but not the sharpest knife in the drawer :)
[20:29] <bombombom> kostkon: will do. ikonia: I did a apt list irssi, and apparently 1.0.5 is the available versio. I get that ubuntu aims for stability, I am not complaining in any way. So should I try with snap and then maybe compile?
[20:30] <ikonia> bombombom: no
[20:30] <ikonia> is there something you need from the later version
[20:31] <bombombom> ikonia: not particularly. Just make sure I am running the latest stable irssi version. I visisted their website and they report a ton of fixes. 1.0.5 is pretty old.
[20:31] <ikonia> bombombom: so you have no problems and no need to upgrade
[20:31] <ikonia> yet you'd break a stable, supported version from a major distribution for a later version number
[20:31] <ikonia> that doesn't seem logical to me
[20:32] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/irssi
[20:32] <oerheks> bugfixes are backported, just not new features IIRC
[20:32] <bombombom> ikonia: Well, yeah. I have no issue with the current irssi version. But I don't know how the irssi code works. I generally upgrade to the latest stable version for security reasons, not just because something broke.
[20:33] <ikonia> ubuntu backports fixes
[20:33] <ikonia> so what is the reason to upgrade
[20:33] <tomreyn> see also what ubottu told you
[20:33] <ikonia> you have no security issues, you have no bugs, no have no features missing that you need
[20:34] <oerheks> 19.10 is pretty neat too, maybe worth an upgrade
[20:34] <ikonia> oerheks: for my own interst, anything that peaked your interest in 19.10 ?
[20:34] <bombombom> ikonia: Yap, that's correct. tomreyn: will do! Thanks for your time fellas!
[20:35] <tomreyn> you're welcome, bombombom ;)
[20:35] <oerheks> scaling, and i am working on ZFS
[20:35] <sarnold> note there's no known currently outstanding irssi issues https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/irssi.html
[20:35] <oerheks> those pesky 4k users are surely happy and benefit
[20:36] <ikonia> oerheks: the scaling is a big deal, excellent suggestion
[20:38] <Max-Might> Hello. What is the best option to get a Remote Desktop-like functionality on ubuntu nowadays? xrdp + xorgxrdp? something else?
[20:43] <oerheks> remmina is standard, ssh is optional
[20:43] <oerheks> .. and there is no single best
[20:55] <David--> Hi, can anyone help me please? I am trying to follow this guide and I got to the last part (step 10) and I'm not sure how to specify the drive path. How would I find this out? https://www.synology.com/en-global/knowledgebase/DSM/tutorial/Storage/How_can_I_recover_data_from_my_DiskStation_using_a_PC
[20:56] <EriC^^> David--: type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link here
[20:59] <David--> EriC^^: I can't paste am im on my laptop here and i've booted on my desktop with the ubuntu disk. But it's basically come up with errors daying "Can't have a partition outside the disk" and some unrecongnised disk labels
[21:00] <EriC^^> David--: the desktop doesn't have an internet connection?
[21:00] <David--> EriC^^: yes it's fine. I've opened a browser and facebook loads fine
[21:01] <EriC^^> David--: ok, what's the termbin.com link it gives you
[21:01] <David--> hang on, it's my bad. typo in the command
[21:01] <David--> 1 sec
[21:02] <David--> it's not letting me select the | key on my keyboard
[21:02] <David--> comes up with > instead
[21:02] <David--> obviously wrong keyboard setup but im not familiar with ubuntu how to change that
[21:03] <David--> haha by pure luck i found it
[21:03] <sarnold> nice
[21:03] <David--> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/xrx9
[21:04] <David--> the drive is a 8TB drive which is plugged into an external drive bay by USB.
[21:04] <zamanf> is there a reason why can't I connect bluetooth headphones?
[21:05] <zamanf> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kJ2VJQncGS/
[21:05] <EriC^^> David--: do you know how big the partition is that you want to mount?
[21:06] <EriC^^> the size in MB/GB
[21:06] <zamanf> someone can explain me why I can't connect a pair of sony headphones?
[21:06] <David--> it will be around 7+ GB
[21:06] <David--> TB i mean
[21:07] <David--> EriC^^: I think it's this one: 7997GB
[21:07] <nightowl1> zamanf, You can't find them?
[21:07] <David--> So do I mount /dev/sdf ?
[21:07] <EriC^^> David--: that looks like a raid setup of some sort?
[21:07] <zamanf> nightowl1, Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.AuthenticationFailed
[21:07] <nightowl1> Yes I see that
[21:07] <David--> EriC^^- It says that but it's a standalone drive 100%
[21:07] <nightowl1> Could you please list the model of the headphones
[21:08] <nightowl1> I want to try google , to see if someone have the same issue
[21:08] <David--> maybe because Synology has some weird setup you can add it to a raid system later. As far as ai know it's a btrfs file system
[21:08] <EriC^^> David--: not too sure about raid, maybe someone else knows about it, sorry
[21:08] <David--> EriC^^: ot
[21:09] <David--> EriC^^: It's not raid. Can you just pretend it's not saying that?
[21:09] <EriC^^> ot?
[21:09] <EriC^^> David--: well, you could try 'sudo mount /dev/sdf3 /mnt'
[21:09] <oerheks> no, synology uses linux and zfs, iirc
[21:10] <oerheks> err xfs
[21:10] <oerheks> zfs would be awesome, but a typo
[21:11] <nightowl1> zamanf, See here https://askubuntu.com/questions/865487/pairing-bluetooth-keyboard-that-needs-code-failed-to-pair-org-bluez-error-auth
[21:11] <zamanf> nightowl1, thank you for taking the time to respond
[21:11] <David--> says "mount: /mnt: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdf3, missing codepage or helper program or other"
[21:11] <zamanf> but I already searched google before coming here
[21:11] <nightowl1> zamanf, Try to update your Bluetooth firmware from your motherboard's site
[21:12] <EriC^^> David--: maybe you need to install the btrfs tools or whatever filesystem it uses?
[21:12] <nightowl1> or if it was a laptop also the same
[21:12] <zamanf> nightowl1, on windows 10 it works
[21:12] <zamanf> on the same pc
[21:12] <nightowl1> they could have different firmware for bluetooth for linux other than the one already installed on Ubuntu
[21:12] <nightowl1> yes because they dont care about linux users :D
[21:12] <David--> EriC^^: That guide im following doesn't say i need to. Just says i need to mount it
[21:12] <David--> EriC^^:
[21:13] <David--> Enter the following command to mount all the drives as read-only to access your data. Enter your device path in ${device_path} and mount point in ${mount_point}. Your data will be placed under the mount point.
[21:13] <David--> $ mount ${device_path} ${mount_point} -o ro
[21:13] <EriC^^> David--: i'm pretty sure it's a raid though, parted usually lists the filesystem and it says nothing about btrfs
[21:14] <EriC^^> David--: try "sudo blkid /dev/sdf3"
[21:14] <David--> EriC^^: Weird as it's a standalone drive
[21:15] <David--> EriC^^: /dev/sdf3: PARTUUID="numbers-here"
[21:15] <EriC^^> any uuid?
[21:15] <David--> yes, you need me to type it out?
[21:15] <EriC^^> no, is there a UUID="blabla" ?
[21:16] <EriC^^> or just a PARTUUID
[21:16] <David--> yes
[21:16] <David--> EriC^^: /dev/sdf3: PARTUUID="numbers-here" <<< that's the output
[21:16] <EriC^^> UUID not PARTUUID
[21:16] <EriC^^> UUID is for filesystems, partuuid is just a partition's uuid
[21:16] <David--> ahh sorry, doesn't appear so
[21:18] <EriC^^> my guess is that it's a raid using 1 disk, there seems to be a bunch of striped and dm stuff in the paste, maybe try ##linux if noone here knows more about it
[21:22] <oerheks> sudo mount -t xfs /dev/sdf3 /mnt
[21:22] <nightowl1> zamanf, Did you find anykind of firmware for your bluetooth?
[21:28] <jeremy31> zamanf: Post URL for this command in terminal>  dmesg | egrep -i 'blue|firm' | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:29] <zamanf> https://termbin.com/gewt
[21:29] <zamanf> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vtWpvBYfg5/
[21:30] <jeremy31> zamanf: have you tried pairing with other devices?
[21:30] <zamanf> I don't have other devices
[21:31] <jeremy31> zamanf: what about>  lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:31] <oerheks> on 18.04 i use the blues ppa, and 1st time pairing needs a push on a button on my headphone
[21:36] <jeremy31> zamanf: what Ubuntu version?
[21:37] <ash_mobile> I was reading about BIND DNS servers and I don't really understand how most programs like that work.
[21:37] <ash_mobile> For example, I think the password system uses files and a database... I think?
[21:45] <tripelb> 18.04  HP laptop: I just booted up. I want to install seahorse. System tells me:  Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it?
[21:45] <EriC^^> tripelb: most likely apt is updating something in the background, wait a few mins and try again
[21:46] <tripelb> I have no idea how to tell what is using it and clear the decks.  -- OK Eric**
[21:46] <EriC^^> tripelb: try ps aux | grep -E "apt|dpkg"
[21:46] <EriC^^> see if something shows up
[21:49] <tripelb> EriC^^, WITH the single quotes?  (I got to the last step in installing new drivers for the raytheon wifi-gidgit in the laptop {because the Ubuntu ones are flawed} and the last step would not work. Knowing the keyring pasword was my best guess as to the problem])
[21:50] <oerheks> always start wit sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade # before installing stuff
[21:50] <oerheks> after boot, unattended updates might be working .. annoying :-D
[21:50] <tripelb> Yep EriC^^ IT SAYS "DAILY UPDATE"
[21:51] <tripelb> b/apt/apt.systemd.daily lock_is_held update
[21:51] <tripelb> vib8401   4496  0.0  0.0  21536  1036 pts/0    S+   14:50   0:00 grep --color=auto -E apt|dpkg
[21:51] <oerheks> just be patient.
[21:51] <tripelb> kk
[21:52] <jeremy31> zamanf: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1829737/
[21:58] <zamanf> jeremy31, I don't understand what is in this link
[21:59] <jeremy31> zamanf: You might need newer firmware for your Intel bluetooth, if you are using Ubuntu 18.04 the linux-firmware package from 19.10 might fix
[22:00] <zamanf> how can I acquire that?
[22:01] <jeremy31> zamanf: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_1.183.1_all.deb
[22:01] <tripelb> I will tell you the page I found to update without having to go through 18.10 and then 19.04 ... just a sec.
[22:01] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~bluetooth/+archive/ubuntu/bluez fixed it for me
[22:01] <tripelb> there were 5 steps. I made a list. I could pm them to you and not bother making a pastebin
[22:02] <tripelb> Oh NM mine was for wifi not bt.
[22:03] <zamanf> ok I installed it jeremy31
[22:05] <tripelb> EriC^^, I am still stuck. Meanwhile I updated (sudo apt update) now I have almost 700 packages to be upgraded and I get the same result as I did when I wanted to install seahorse. oerheks
[22:06] <tripelb> there is a kill process by name or number statement I dont remember how to construct. Would that be advisable?
[22:07] <tripelb> maybe reboot.
[22:09] <oerheks> how about just installing updates?
[22:12] <jeremy31> zamanf: try a reboot
[22:17] <tripelb> oerheks, EriC^^ I dont know what done did it but it do.
[22:18] <tripelb> (installing updates failed and failed then succeeded) it seems to me that a selling point of linux is you do NOT need to reboot.
[22:19] <Phruis> can we unlocker bitlocker drives in nautilus
[22:20] <oerheks> on 18.04 and up, you can.
[22:20] <oerheks> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/04/how-to-mount-bitlocker-encrypted.html
[22:21] <oerheks> i would read, not write.
[22:22] <Phruis> why not write?
[22:25] <oerheks> the author says there might be bugs. https://github.com/Aorimn/dislocker and i would not like to loose stuff.
[22:25] <oerheks> so mounting with -r would be pretty safe
[22:26] <Phruis> can't even unlock i get a segmentation fault
[22:26] <Phruis> maybe outdated version in the repos
[22:27] <Phruis> ahh no .7.1 is newest release
[22:59] <FaTaL_G> I'm going to lose my mind with this reboot issue. Please please some guru help me decipher the series of bs and get it fixed. ugh..... It wont properly ifup the internet facing NIC after a reboot
[23:02] <FaTaL_G> but if I "sudo ifup enp0s31f6" after reboot is complete and I logged in from a LAN machine using PUTTY (so other ethernets at least work), then it gets a dhcp address from the modem and work
[23:09] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces or netplan yaml, log messages from the reboot, etc, someone may be able to spot something
[23:09] <oerheks> is netplan still active?
[23:10] <oerheks> ifupdown is not standard anymore, this guide shows what steps to do to make it work https://askubuntu.com/questions/1031709/ubuntu-18-04-switch-back-to-etc-network-interfaces
[23:10] <sarnold> so far I haven't got a clue what release FaTaL_G's working on..
[23:10] <oerheks> netplan is easier, to avoid networkmanager.service
[23:11] <oerheks> i read the issue from yesterday with an half eye, was not helping
[23:16] <ozzzo> on 18.04.3 how can I tell whether any CPUs are pinned?
[23:16] <oerheks> I hope so ..
[23:17] <oerheks> lscpu # would give details
[23:17] <ozzzo> that's what I thought, but I have one box pinned and one not, and they are identical
[23:17] <ozzzo> or do I need to use an option on lscpu?
[23:17] <oerheks> what is 'pinned'?
[23:19] <ozzzo> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/driving-fast-lane-cpu-pinning-and-numa-topology-awareness-openstack-compute
[23:19] <ozzzo> I thought I would see a different flag or something but I don't
[23:20] <FaTaL_G> sarnold: sure
[23:20] <ozzzo> lscpu doesn't appear to have an option that would help here
[23:21] <FaTaL_G> sarnold: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5QbV2dHwjK/
[23:21] <sarnold> ozzzo: moment..
[23:21] <oerheks> ozzzo, what is this setup?
[23:22] <sarnold> ozzzo: grep ^Cpus_allowed: /proc/*/status
[23:23] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: iface enp0s31f6 inet manual
[23:23] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: use 'auto' instead liike the other interfaces
[23:23] <lenny_lemon> how can I disable secure UEFI boot in ubuntu 16.04? I can't get to boot option or BIOS settings when system starts. is there any way to do it in terminal?
[23:23] <FaTaL_G> sarnold, I was
[23:23] <ozzzo> thanks sarnold!
[23:23] <FaTaL_G> I'll put it back to it
[23:23] <FaTaL_G> but that doesn't solve it
[23:25] <jeremy31> lenny_lemon: you have to disable Secure Boot in BIOS/UEFI settings
[23:25] <Doudou8> I am trying to redownload ubuntu server 18.04/ However, now I get this error : Unfortunately probing for devices to install to failed. Please report a bug on Launchpadm and if possible include the contents of the /var/log/installer directory. (I am not using the same usb key as my first installation)
[23:26] <lenny_lemon> jeremy31, i can't get into settings when computer starts... is there any way to do it otherwise in terminal or so?
[23:26] <FaTaL_G> sarnold: from the various bs I get, I basically think the fact that I get some nonsense errors when I do a "ifup -a" is the cause,,,
[23:27] <FaTaL_G> sarnold: it tells me it cant up the br0, but thats complete nonsense because it does exactly that, and I can ssh in
[23:28] <lenny_lemon> laptop came with win8 preinstalled and secure boot enabled. I resize partition and tried install ubuntu and that messed up everything with start. I can't get into bios or boot order since. the only way how i run ubuntu on this laptop is that I removed HDD and plug new one and run ubuntu form usb and installed it...
[23:29] <lenny_lemon> ubuntu has signed secure boot so with install i disabled it but after recent update somehow its trying to turn on secure boot
[23:30] <jeremy31> lenny_lemon: do you get a grub menu at boot with system settings option?
[23:30] <FaTaL_G> I'll reboot
[23:30] <lenny_lemon> terminal ends updated with secure boot configuration and only I can do is to close it...
[23:31] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: hmm, is the 'broadcast' line on the bridge supposed to be there?
[23:31] <lenny_lemon> jeremy31, not anymore
[23:31] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: sorry, not broadcast, but gateway
[23:35] <Doudou8> I am trying to reinstall ubuntu server 18.04. However, now I get this error : Unfortunately probing for devices to install to failed. Please report a bug on Launchpadm and if possible include the contents of the /var/log/installer directory. (I am not using the same usb key as my first installation)
[23:40] <FaTaL_G> sarnold: I rebooted it and it worked this time. Not sure why
[23:41] <FaTaL_G> thanks, but I do promise I had it to auto at one point
[23:42] <Bashing-om> Doudou8: I suggest to makeup a desktop image - and ' sudo fdisk -lu ' to see if the drive is recognized.
[23:45] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: hehe, makes sense..
[23:45] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: btw is the 'gateway' line on the bridge supposed to be there?
[23:52] <epx998> Anyone familiar with using isc-dhcp-server on Bionic?
[23:54] <FaTaL_G> sarnold: I think it does, but I may be mistaken
[23:54] <FaTaL_G> sarnold: that is one of the things it complains aobut
[23:56] <FaTaL_G> sarnold: the br0 is supposed to be the LAN side of the WAN+LAN behind the iptables rules that lets everything get out the enp0s31f6 interface over NAT
[23:56] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: I'm just unaccustomed to seeing an interface use its own ip as a gateway
[23:56] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: (that might be perfectly normal, it's been ages since I've really done networking, but I figured it's worth asking about it.. I'm a pretty good rubber duck :)
[23:57] <Jeffrey_f> Coming back from a lock screen, my Ubuntu 19.10 takes 15-30 seconds to unlock.
[23:57] <FaTaL_G> sarnold: agreed, and it does complain. But that said, with the machine being the "parent" of the network, doesn't it also need a gateway, even if it is to be itself? so it knows not to try to route traffic anywhere else?
[23:58] <FaTaL_G> sarnold, and again, it does complain about it and tell me its a bad gateway, but how else do I tell it not to try to route to another host on that network?
[23:58] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: well, it should only be used when eg packets are destined for a host that doesn't have a direct entry in the routing table..
[23:59] <FaTaL_G> sarnold, hrmmmm, as this is the parent, I could say that it always knows all clients