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jibelhi all06:54
didrocksgood morning07:04
jibelsalut didrocks07:08
didrockssalut jibel07:08
oSoMoNgood morning07:22
didrockshey oSoMoN07:28
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marcustomlinsonmorning jibel didrocks and oSoMoN08:48
didrockshey hey marcustomlinson08:49
oSoMoNhey didrocks, jibel, marcustomlinson08:49
Laneyhey ho09:03
didrockshey Laney09:03
oSoMoNhey Laney09:04
Laneyhey didrocks hey oSoMoN09:04
Laneyhow's it going?09:04
didrocksI'm good, thanks, and you?09:05
Laneynot baaad09:06
WimpressMorning desktoppers o/09:06
marcustomlinsonhey Laney and Wimpress09:06
seb128goooood morning desktopers09:08
marcustomlinsonmorning seb12809:08
didrockshey seb12809:08
seb128hey marcustomlinson, how are you today?09:08
seb128lut did09:08
seb128lut didrocks09:08
marcustomlinsonseb128: not bad, you? Feeling any better?09:09
seb128a bit but not great...09:09
seb128jamesh, weekly summary reminder!09:09
marcustomlinson:/09:09
Laneyhi Wimpress marcustomlinson seb12809:10
seb128jamesh, also rls bug update09:10
didrockshey Wimpress09:10
seb128Trevinho, rls bug, you did update the set for bionic this time but you also have an eoan section09:11
seb128hey Wimpress, Laney!09:11
oSoMoNgood morning Wimpress, seb12809:13
jbichaseb128_: could you remove gnome-shell-pomodoro from focal/s390x? (because gnome-shell isn't available on s390x)10:05
Laneysomething going to stop it coming back?10:06
jbichait now Build-Depends on gnome-shell10:07
seb128_jbicha, k10:08
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seb128jdstrand, you never replied back to Olivier on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/1794064 ... would be one nice to get fix now that chromium is a snap only11:06
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1794064 in evince (Ubuntu) "Clicking a hyperlink in a PDF fails to open it if the default browser is a snap" [High,New]11:06
oSoMoNseb128, jdstrand: I confirm the bug is still valid, fwiw12:46
oSoMoNcan someone please confirm it, I don't want to confirm my own bugs12:47
seb128oSoMoN, done12:51
fidenciojibel: hey/ping. :-). So, I've started adding ubuntu-19.10 to osinfo-db and I'm facing some issues when trying to unattended install (via preseed file) the desktop media.13:02
jibelhi fidencio, what kind of issues?13:03
fidenciojibel: didrocks pointed out that nothing changed and it should just work. but, for some reason, it just doesn't. when using the same preseed (and kernel command line) used for the server media, the automated installation doesn't kick in and I can see the "Installation type" dialog hanging there13:04
fidenciojibel: let me get the kernel command line and preseed file used13:04
fidenciojibel: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/Zq6yIeWyoO3BynxSXPZAOQ13:05
fidenciojibel: this is the screen: https://fidencio.fedorapeople.org/ubuntu_1904_issue.png13:09
jibelfidencio, it looks like a pretty standard preseed.13:10
mgedmindoes the 19.10 installer support "Use the largest continuous free space" any more? I don't see that option in the screenshot13:10
jibelfidencio, I cannot look immediately right now, but I'll test it this week.13:11
didrocksmgedmin: yes, if your disk isn't empty and have free space :) (which isn't the case in this vm)13:11
fidenciojibel: cool, thanks. I'll be around. So, if you find something out, please, just let me know13:24
hellsworthmorning everyone14:27
marcustomlinsonhey hellsworth14:27
hellsworthhia o/14:28
didrockshey hellsworth14:29
oSoMoNgood morning hellsworth14:30
seb128hey14:30
seb128ok, it's meeting time!14:30
kenvandineit is!14:31
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-0514:31
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Nov  5 14:31:21 2019 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.14:31
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seb128Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), hellsworth, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)14:31
kenvandineo/14:31
oSoMoN\o14:31
marcustomlinson\o14:31
jibelhi14:31
hellswortho/14:31
seb128seems like we have enough people to get started :)14:32
seb128#topic rls-bb-bugs14:32
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:32
seb128no desktop entry14:32
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:32
seb128no unassigned (!fix commited) there14:32
seb128#topic rls-dd-bugs14:33
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:33
seb128no desktop entry14:33
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:33
seb128no unassigned14:33
tselioto/14:33
seb128#topic rls-ee-bugs14:34
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seb128hey tseliot & tkamppeter :)14:34
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:34
seb128bug #185053514:34
ubot5bug 1850535 in mutter (Ubuntu Eoan) "Ubuntu 19.10 gnome-shell crashes after changing keyboard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185053514:34
seb128there is only one report and the submitter said it went away after uninstall fcitx14:35
Trevinhoyeah and the warning isn't related with the crash...14:35
seb128I would vote -1 for rls tracking it at this point14:36
Laneyagreed14:36
Trevinhoas well14:36
oSoMoNgiven fcitx isn't default, agreed14:36
hellsworthsgtm14:36
seb128done14:37
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:37
seb128we have some entries there14:37
seb128bug #181639614:37
ubot5bug 1816396 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Eoan) "Starting snap from the after-install notification fails" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181639614:37
kenvandinerobert uploaded the fix to focal14:37
seb128I'm assigning that one to Robert, the just fixed it in focal14:37
seb128kenvandine, right, looks like he forgot to assign himself for eoan, done now14:38
kenvandineindeed14:38
kenvandinethx14:38
seb128bug #184580114:38
ubot5bug 1845801 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Eoan) "[nvidia] Automatic login fails and then all subsequent logins fail. Killing gnome-session-binary fixes it, or just not using automatic login." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184580114:38
seb128unsure what to do about this one, tseliot feedback pointed out to maybe a systemd issue14:39
tseliotyep14:39
TrevinhoLaney maybe can indagate? Not sure if tagging though yet14:40
tseliotI wonder if xnox is aware of that ^^14:40
Laneywhat in the world does indagnate mean14:41
hellsworthindicate maybe?14:41
seb128balint asked for testing with a systemd from a ppa, let's see if we can get that going14:41
seb128I will set to incomplete meanwhile14:41
Trevinhosorry, investigate 😅14:42
hellsworth:)14:42
rbalintseb128, as i see we did not get feedback with new systemd14:42
seb128rbalint, right14:42
seb128ok, third one is bug #185053514:43
ubot5bug 1850535 in mutter (Ubuntu Focal) "Ubuntu 19.10 gnome-shell crashes after changing keyboard" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185053514:43
seb128which we just discussed in the previous section14:43
* Trevinho translating made easy (#makeyourwordtuesday) 14:43
seb128#topic rls-ff-bugs14:43
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:43
seb128bug #174063714:43
ubot5bug 1740637 in libappindicator (Ubuntu Focal) "Remove python-appindicator and gir1.2-appindicator-0.1" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174063714:43
* kenvandine sheds a tear14:44
seb128we should probably remove those14:44
kenvandineyes14:44
seb128though I don't see any justification of why it needs to be rls tracked14:44
seb128I will assign to myself, I wanted to review/upload the change from Jeremy14:45
seb128no point pissing off d_oko by arguing on the rls targetting :)14:45
kenvandine:)14:45
seb128bug #184485314:45
ubot5bug 1844853 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu Eoan) "IBus no longer works in Qt applications after upgrade" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184485314:45
seb128that's fix commited14:46
seb128bug #184757014:46
ubot5bug 1847570 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Focal) "PulseAudio automatically switches to HDMI sound output on login" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184757014:46
seb128ongoing14:46
seb128and I just noticed I was reviewing the tracking list14:46
seb128so no point reviewing those assigned ones :p14:47
seb128which means I did skip14:47
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:47
seb128the indicator one we just discussed14:47
seb128bug #1848217 is fix commited, I just forgot to untag previous week14:47
ubot5bug 1848217 in yaru-theme (Ubuntu) "No system-ready sound" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184821714:47
seb128and I think that's it for rls bugs!14:47
seb128#topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages14:48
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seb128Laney, yours!14:48
LaneyYEAH14:48
Laneyhttps://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages14:48
Laneyso there's a lot of stuff, I didn't look into all of them tbh14:48
Laneywe should probably divide and conquer amongst everybody14:49
Laneysomehow14:49
seb128should we just try to poke a bit to the list this week collectively?14:51
seb128maybe state on the channel when you look at something to avoid duplicating14:51
seb128and see if we have an easier set to review next week then?14:51
Laneysure, if it happens14:51
LaneyI'm going to take libproxy and glib2.0 to start14:52
Laneyif someone likes rust then librsvg would be a good one14:53
* oSoMoN ducks14:53
oSoMoN(I'll take a look)14:53
seb128lol14:53
seb128ppc64el failing test14:53
seb128looks like fun :)14:53
seb128I can try poking to that one14:53
seb128I will also look at the other failing to build ones14:54
* Trevinho expenses https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/14:54
seb128k, probably not need to sort out that here/now14:54
seb128Trevinho, :)14:55
seb128thanks Laney14:55
seb128#topic AOB14:55
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seb128other topics?14:55
WimpressTrevinho: denied14:55
seb128lol14:55
didrocksquick manager response :p14:55
WimpressLulz14:55
seb128next week some of us are away at a product sprint14:55
Trevinhonuuuuuuuuuu #tears and more indagations :-D14:56
hellsworthand some of us are at LAS14:56
seb128maybe we should skip the meeting?14:56
seb128Wimpress, wdyt, skipping next one?14:56
kenvandine+114:56
hellsworth+114:56
seb128sounds like consensus14:56
WimpressYep. Skip next week.14:56
seb128thx everyone14:56
marcustomlinsonthe ayes have it, the ayes have it14:56
seb128no other topic?14:56
WimpressNope.14:57
Trevinhonope14:57
seb128let's wrap then!14:57
seb128thanks team14:57
seb128#endmeeting14:57
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Nov  5 14:57:44 2019 UTC.14:57
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-11-05-14.31.moin.txt14:57
marcustomlinsonthanks14:57
didrocksthx!14:57
oSoMoNthanks14:58
hellsworththank you :)14:58
jdstrandoSoMoN, seb128: I added a trello card and assigned it to me14:59
seb128jdstrand, hey, great, thanks!14:59
oSoMoNthanks jdstrand14:59
WimpressThanks for running things again seb128. I should have all my double booked meetings fixed by next time.14:59
seb128Wimpress, np14:59
seb128Laney, pango synced, let's see if things get interesting :)15:00
Laneynice, thanks15:00
seb128oSoMoN, you will like that, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=94202215:01
ubot5Debian bug 942022 in src:librsvg "librsvg: FTBFS on ppc64el: panicked at 'assertion failed: bounds.x1 >= bounds.x0', rsvg_internals/src/surface_utils/iterators.rs:36:9" [Serious,Open]15:01
seb128'Looking at the differences and trying downgrading some build deps, I15:01
seb128found that replacing rustc 1.37 with 1.36 makes 2.44.14 and 2.44.15 build15:01
seb128again in that latest schroot.'15:01
Laneyyeah15:02
oSoMoNurgh15:02
Laneythen Simon was like "good luck with that"15:02
Laney:D15:02
seb128:)15:02
seb128or :( rather15:02
hellsworthin case it is useful, we build a couple of these newer packages (listed in udate_excuses) in the gnome-3-34-1804-sdk snap: librsvg 2.44-15 and  glib2.0 v2.62.215:05
hellsworththat might help find any env var issues or new deps or something15:06
hellsworthoSoMoN: seb128 ^^15:06
seb128hellsworth, thank you for the hint15:07
seb128librsvg is probably going to get down a ppc64el/rust issue though :/15:07
seb128rustc 1.38 is out, we should perhaps wait for that update15:08
oSoMoNhellsworth, thanks. it looks like the issue is with the newest rustc in focal, which isn't in bionic15:08
hellsworthsure, jsut wanted to point it out in case it helps :) no harm if it doesnt15:08
seb128right15:08
didrocksplease IDE, you should understand than when I typed "ctx.Done()", I actually meant "z.Done()" and avoiding having me losing 45 minutes adding prints statement everywhere because I thought my logic was wrong15:10
didrocksthanks, with love :)15:10
hellsworthif i feel like it  --IDE15:11
didrocksnot using vscode yet, I see :)15:12
* didrocks dumped vim to it some years ago and doesn't regret15:12
seb128Laney, jibel, do you know offhand why daily ISO validation on focal is failing? real issue? still the reboot thing?15:12
jibelseb128, the session doesn't start15:13
LaneyI didn't look, sorry15:13
jibelI didn't try with today's iso15:13
Laneynot getting emails about it actually15:13
seb128let me download it and give it a try15:13
LaneyI am for bionic though15:13
seb128I got the bionic ones as well :/15:14
seb128but yeah, no focal email15:14
jibelI didn't create automated jobs for focal, that's why there is no notification15:14
jibelbut before adding them I wanted to make sure the image at least is installable15:14
Laneynod15:15
Laneyok, that explains why I didn't think to check ;-)15:15
jibelseb128, I can have a look at the iso tomorrow if you want15:16
seb128jibel, I'm downloading it now, let's see if I find something obvious15:16
jibeli've today's image here already15:17
jibelbooting it15:17
jibelseb128, same problem than last week15:19
seb128k15:19
jibelthe session hangs immediately after it starts15:19
jibelLaney said it was a mutter bug15:19
Laneyonce you click on a desktop icon15:20
Laneyyou can interact with it until then15:20
jibelhttps://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/89615:21
gitbotGNOME issue 896 in mutter "Hang when interacting with desktop icons on x11 after 71c3f4af" [1. Bug, 1. Regression, 5. Backend: X11, Opened]15:21
jibelno need to click15:21
Laneythat doesn't sound like what the CI would be doing15:21
Laneyor?15:21
Laneywell, yes there is for me15:21
Laneycan give you a screencast if you want me to prove it15:21
seb128looks like we should wait for that fix to land before wasting time debugging things then15:22
jibelyeah I can do a screencast :)15:22
jibelto prove that you don't have to click15:22
seb128you can be both right, I don't think screencasts are needed15:22
jibelbut I agree it's a waste of time15:22
seb128let's wait for the known issue to be fixed15:23
jibelI'd rather wait for the fix and try again15:23
seb128and see where we stand then15:23
seb128thx jibel Laney15:23
Laneyif it were me I'd get a backtrace of the no click thing15:23
seb128Laney, the hang which is known has to do with clicking and you think it might be a different bug then?15:24
seb128let me see what it does here15:24
Laneymight be15:24
Laneybacktrace would probably give a clue15:24
seb128it's still downloading15:24
Laneybecause it's to do with focus changes which happen when clicking on the desktop icons15:25
tkamppeterIt is possile that I am sufferng bug 1807056, so I would like to test Wayland on 19.10, how do I switch?15:48
ubot5bug 1807056 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Occasional Keyboard freeze" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180705615:48
tkamppeterIn the login I can only choose "Ubuntu", not "Ubuntu on X" or "Ubuntu on Wayland".15:49
mgedminperhaps your system doesn't support wayland?  (e.g. nvidia drivers could be a problem)15:51
Laneyindeed15:51
tkamppeterMy system has no Nvidia, it is a pure Intel Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga 2nd gen.15:52
Laneywell if you're not seeing Wayland as an option then that means that GDM decided your system can't run a Wayland session15:52
Laneythere might be a clue in the journal from when GDM first started15:52
Laneywhat did I do wrong that I've started to get sounds for calendar notifications now :(15:55
seb128is that from the browser or from eds?15:57
Laneycould be eds or shell15:57
tkamppeterI have rebooted now and I can choose Wayland again but entered the standard X session first to find out whether simply the reboot solves the problem.16:08
tkamppeterNo I hae tried both X and Wayland, and even the text console, the intermittant yboard failures (sometimes one or 2 characters do not appear, sometimes one press of a key le it come out 10-20 times) stll occur.16:36
tkamppeterSorry, Now I have tried ...16:36
tkamppeterAnyon had such a problem?16:37
* mgedmin sometimes (very very rarely) seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees repeated keystrokes when the system is under heavy load16:41
Laneydgadomski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1754671/comments/150 /o\17:16
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1754671 in NetworkManager "Full-tunnel VPN DNS leakage regression" [Medium,Confirmed]17:16
tkamppetermgedmin, for me at least the missing characters also happen without load, the rpeated ones also sometimes without load.17:20
tkamppeterI have now contatced Lenovo, as my laptop has a 3-year warranty extension.17:22
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bittinMeeting in 15 minutes? or you already had it?18:14
oSoMoNbittin, the desktop team meeting is at 13:30 UTC, it was 4 hours ago18:15
bittinoSoMoN: ah seems my Google Calender shows it wrong for some reason: https://i.imgur.com/tcRY5Jy.png18:17
bittinis there a log for a curious Ubuntu user?18:17
bittinnevermind found it: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-11-05-14.31.log.html18:18
bittinoSoMoN: not sure why the calendar invite shows up for the wrong time for me always in Google Calender imported from Fridge, but looks good18:24
bittinjust a curious user as i said, and had some spare time tonight, will help test Focal ISOs and Alpha/Betas when they are out in January 2020 however18:25
oSoMoNbittin, that's great, thanks for the help!18:58
bittinnp18:58
robert_ancellhellsworth, it's official. Saw you on the new hires email :)22:15
hellsworthi know! fancy that :)22:17
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