[06:54] <jibel> hi all
[07:04] <didrocks> good morning
[07:08] <jibel> salut didrocks
[07:08] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:22] <oSoMoN> good morning
[07:28] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[08:48] <marcustomlinson> morning jibel didrocks and oSoMoN
[08:49] <didrocks> hey hey marcustomlinson
[08:49] <oSoMoN> hey didrocks, jibel, marcustomlinson
[09:03] <Laney> hey ho
[09:03] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:04] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[09:04] <Laney> hey didrocks hey oSoMoN
[09:04] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:05] <didrocks> I'm good, thanks, and you?
[09:06] <Laney> not baaad
[09:06] <Wimpress> Morning desktoppers o/
[09:06] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney and Wimpress
[09:08] <seb128> goooood morning desktopers
[09:08] <marcustomlinson> morning seb128
[09:08] <didrocks> hey seb128
[09:08] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you today?
[09:08] <seb128> lut did
[09:08] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:09] <marcustomlinson> seb128: not bad, you? Feeling any better?
[09:09] <seb128> a bit but not great...
[09:09] <seb128> jamesh, weekly summary reminder!
[09:09] <marcustomlinson> :/
[09:10] <Laney> hi Wimpress marcustomlinson seb128
[09:10] <seb128> jamesh, also rls bug update
[09:10] <didrocks> hey Wimpress
[09:11] <seb128> Trevinho, rls bug, you did update the set for bionic this time but you also have an eoan section
[09:11] <seb128> hey Wimpress, Laney!
[09:13] <oSoMoN> good morning Wimpress, seb128
[10:05] <jbicha> seb128_: could you remove gnome-shell-pomodoro from focal/s390x? (because gnome-shell isn't available on s390x)
[10:06] <Laney> something going to stop it coming back?
[10:07] <jbicha> it now Build-Depends on gnome-shell
[10:08] <seb128_> jbicha, k
[11:06] <seb128> jdstrand, you never replied back to Olivier on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/1794064 ... would be one nice to get fix now that chromium is a snap only
[12:46] <oSoMoN> seb128, jdstrand: I confirm the bug is still valid, fwiw
[12:47] <oSoMoN> can someone please confirm it, I don't want to confirm my own bugs
[12:51] <seb128> oSoMoN, done
[13:02] <fidencio> jibel: hey/ping. :-). So, I've started adding ubuntu-19.10 to osinfo-db and I'm facing some issues when trying to unattended install (via preseed file) the desktop media.
[13:03] <jibel> hi fidencio, what kind of issues?
[13:04] <fidencio> jibel: didrocks pointed out that nothing changed and it should just work. but, for some reason, it just doesn't. when using the same preseed (and kernel command line) used for the server media, the automated installation doesn't kick in and I can see the "Installation type" dialog hanging there
[13:04] <fidencio> jibel: let me get the kernel command line and preseed file used
[13:05] <fidencio> jibel: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/Zq6yIeWyoO3BynxSXPZAOQ
[13:09] <fidencio> jibel: this is the screen: https://fidencio.fedorapeople.org/ubuntu_1904_issue.png
[13:10] <jibel> fidencio, it looks like a pretty standard preseed.
[13:10] <mgedmin> does the 19.10 installer support "Use the largest continuous free space" any more? I don't see that option in the screenshot
[13:11] <jibel> fidencio, I cannot look immediately right now, but I'll test it this week.
[13:11] <didrocks> mgedmin: yes, if your disk isn't empty and have free space :) (which isn't the case in this vm)
[13:24] <fidencio> jibel: cool, thanks. I'll be around. So, if you find something out, please, just let me know
[14:27] <hellsworth> morning everyone
[14:27] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[14:28] <hellsworth> hia o/
[14:29] <didrocks> hey hellsworth
[14:30] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[14:30] <seb128> hey
[14:30] <seb128> ok, it's meeting time!
[14:31] <kenvandine> it is!
[14:31] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-05
[14:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov  5 14:31:21 2019 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[14:31] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[14:31] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), hellsworth, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[14:31] <kenvandine> o/
[14:31] <oSoMoN> \o
[14:31] <marcustomlinson> \o
[14:31] <jibel> hi
[14:31] <hellsworth> o/
[14:32] <seb128> seems like we have enough people to get started :)
[14:32] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <seb128> no desktop entry
[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <seb128> no unassigned (!fix commited) there
[14:33] <seb128> #topic rls-dd-bugs
[14:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <seb128> no desktop entry
[14:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <seb128> no unassigned
[14:33] <tseliot> o/
[14:34] <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bugs
[14:34] <seb128> hey tseliot & tkamppeter :)
[14:34] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:34] <seb128> bug #1850535
[14:35] <seb128> there is only one report and the submitter said it went away after uninstall fcitx
[14:35] <Trevinho> yeah and the warning isn't related with the crash...
[14:36] <seb128> I would vote -1 for rls tracking it at this point
[14:36] <Laney> agreed
[14:36] <Trevinho> as well
[14:36] <oSoMoN> given fcitx isn't default, agreed
[14:36] <hellsworth> sgtm
[14:37] <seb128> done
[14:37] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:37] <seb128> we have some entries there
[14:37] <seb128> bug #1816396
[14:37] <kenvandine> robert uploaded the fix to focal
[14:37] <seb128> I'm assigning that one to Robert, the just fixed it in focal
[14:38] <seb128> kenvandine, right, looks like he forgot to assign himself for eoan, done now
[14:38] <kenvandine> indeed
[14:38] <kenvandine> thx
[14:38] <seb128> bug #1845801
[14:39] <seb128> unsure what to do about this one, tseliot feedback pointed out to maybe a systemd issue
[14:39] <tseliot> yep
[14:40] <Trevinho> Laney maybe can indagate? Not sure if tagging though yet
[14:40] <tseliot> I wonder if xnox is aware of that ^^
[14:41] <Laney> what in the world does indagnate mean
[14:41] <hellsworth> indicate maybe?
[14:41] <seb128> balint asked for testing with a systemd from a ppa, let's see if we can get that going
[14:41] <seb128> I will set to incomplete meanwhile
[14:42] <Trevinho> sorry, investigate 😅
[14:42] <hellsworth> :)
[14:42] <rbalint> seb128, as i see we did not get feedback with new systemd
[14:42] <seb128> rbalint, right
[14:43] <seb128> ok, third one is bug #1850535
[14:43] <seb128> which we just discussed in the previous section
[14:43]  * Trevinho translating made easy (#makeyourwordtuesday) 
[14:43] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bugs
[14:43] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:43] <seb128> bug #1740637	
[14:44]  * kenvandine sheds a tear
[14:44] <seb128> we should probably remove those
[14:44] <kenvandine> yes
[14:44] <seb128> though I don't see any justification of why it needs to be rls tracked
[14:45] <seb128> I will assign to myself, I wanted to review/upload the change from Jeremy
[14:45] <seb128> no point pissing off d_oko by arguing on the rls targetting :)
[14:45] <kenvandine> :)
[14:45] <seb128> bug #1844853
[14:46] <seb128> that's fix commited
[14:46] <seb128> bug #1847570
[14:46] <seb128> ongoing
[14:46] <seb128> and I just noticed I was reviewing the tracking list
[14:47] <seb128> so no point reviewing those assigned ones :p
[14:47] <seb128> which means I did skip
[14:47] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:47] <seb128> the indicator one we just discussed
[14:47] <seb128> bug #1848217 is fix commited, I just forgot to untag previous week
[14:47] <seb128> and I think that's it for rls bugs!
[14:48] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:48] <seb128> Laney, yours!
[14:48] <Laney> YEAH
[14:48] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:48] <Laney> so there's a lot of stuff, I didn't look into all of them tbh
[14:49] <Laney> we should probably divide and conquer amongst everybody
[14:49] <Laney> somehow
[14:51] <seb128> should we just try to poke a bit to the list this week collectively?
[14:51] <seb128> maybe state on the channel when you look at something to avoid duplicating
[14:51] <seb128> and see if we have an easier set to review next week then?
[14:51] <Laney> sure, if it happens
[14:52] <Laney> I'm going to take libproxy and glib2.0 to start
[14:53] <Laney> if someone likes rust then librsvg would be a good one
[14:53]  * oSoMoN ducks
[14:53] <oSoMoN> (I'll take a look)
[14:53] <seb128> lol
[14:53] <seb128> ppc64el failing test
[14:53] <seb128> looks like fun :)
[14:53] <seb128> I can try poking to that one
[14:54] <seb128> I will also look at the other failing to build ones
[14:54]  * Trevinho expenses https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/
[14:54] <seb128> k, probably not need to sort out that here/now
[14:55] <seb128> Trevinho, :)
[14:55] <seb128> thanks Laney
[14:55] <seb128> #topic AOB
[14:55] <seb128> other topics?
[14:55] <Wimpress> Trevinho: denied
[14:55] <seb128> lol
[14:55] <didrocks> quick manager response :p
[14:55] <Wimpress> Lulz
[14:55] <seb128> next week some of us are away at a product sprint
[14:56] <Trevinho> nuuuuuuuuuu #tears and more indagations :-D
[14:56] <hellsworth> and some of us are at LAS
[14:56] <seb128> maybe we should skip the meeting?
[14:56] <seb128> Wimpress, wdyt, skipping next one?
[14:56] <kenvandine> +1
[14:56] <hellsworth> +1
[14:56] <seb128> sounds like consensus
[14:56] <Wimpress> Yep. Skip next week.
[14:56] <seb128> thx everyone
[14:56] <marcustomlinson> the ayes have it, the ayes have it
[14:56] <seb128> no other topic?
[14:57] <Wimpress> Nope.
[14:57] <Trevinho> nope
[14:57] <seb128> let's wrap then!
[14:57] <seb128> thanks team
[14:57] <seb128> #endmeeting
[14:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov  5 14:57:44 2019 UTC.
[14:57] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-11-05-14.31.moin.txt
[14:57] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[14:57] <didrocks> thx!
[14:58] <oSoMoN> thanks
[14:58] <hellsworth> thank you :)
[14:59] <jdstrand> oSoMoN, seb128: I added a trello card and assigned it to me
[14:59] <seb128> jdstrand, hey, great, thanks!
[14:59] <oSoMoN> thanks jdstrand
[14:59] <Wimpress> Thanks for running things again seb128. I should have all my double booked meetings fixed by next time.
[14:59] <seb128> Wimpress, np
[15:00] <seb128> Laney, pango synced, let's see if things get interesting :)
[15:00] <Laney> nice, thanks
[15:01] <seb128> oSoMoN, you will like that, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=942022
[15:01] <seb128> 'Looking at the differences and trying downgrading some build deps, I
[15:01] <seb128> found that replacing rustc 1.37 with 1.36 makes 2.44.14 and 2.44.15 build
[15:01] <seb128> again in that latest schroot.'
[15:02] <Laney> yeah
[15:02] <oSoMoN> urgh
[15:02] <Laney> then Simon was like "good luck with that"
[15:02] <Laney> :D
[15:02] <seb128> :)
[15:02] <seb128> or :( rather
[15:05] <hellsworth> in case it is useful, we build a couple of these newer packages (listed in udate_excuses) in the gnome-3-34-1804-sdk snap: librsvg 2.44-15 and  glib2.0 v2.62.2
[15:06] <hellsworth> that might help find any env var issues or new deps or something
[15:06] <hellsworth> oSoMoN: seb128 ^^
[15:07] <seb128> hellsworth, thank you for the hint
[15:07] <seb128> librsvg is probably going to get down a ppc64el/rust issue though :/
[15:08] <seb128> rustc 1.38 is out, we should perhaps wait for that update
[15:08] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, thanks. it looks like the issue is with the newest rustc in focal, which isn't in bionic
[15:08] <hellsworth> sure, jsut wanted to point it out in case it helps :) no harm if it doesnt
[15:08] <seb128> right
[15:10] <didrocks> please IDE, you should understand than when I typed "ctx.Done()", I actually meant "z.Done()" and avoiding having me losing 45 minutes adding prints statement everywhere because I thought my logic was wrong
[15:10] <didrocks> thanks, with love :)
[15:11] <hellsworth> if i feel like it  --IDE
[15:12] <didrocks> not using vscode yet, I see :)
[15:12]  * didrocks dumped vim to it some years ago and doesn't regret
[15:12] <seb128> Laney, jibel, do you know offhand why daily ISO validation on focal is failing? real issue? still the reboot thing?
[15:13] <jibel> seb128, the session doesn't start
[15:13] <Laney> I didn't look, sorry
[15:13] <jibel> I didn't try with today's iso
[15:13] <Laney> not getting emails about it actually
[15:13] <seb128> let me download it and give it a try
[15:13] <Laney> I am for bionic though
[15:14] <seb128> I got the bionic ones as well :/
[15:14] <seb128> but yeah, no focal email
[15:14] <jibel> I didn't create automated jobs for focal, that's why there is no notification
[15:14] <jibel> but before adding them I wanted to make sure the image at least is installable
[15:15] <Laney> nod
[15:15] <Laney> ok, that explains why I didn't think to check ;-)
[15:16] <jibel> seb128, I can have a look at the iso tomorrow if you want
[15:16] <seb128> jibel, I'm downloading it now, let's see if I find something obvious
[15:17] <jibel> i've today's image here already
[15:17] <jibel> booting it
[15:19] <jibel> seb128, same problem than last week
[15:19] <seb128> k
[15:19] <jibel> the session hangs immediately after it starts
[15:19] <jibel> Laney said it was a mutter bug
[15:20] <Laney> once you click on a desktop icon
[15:20] <Laney> you can interact with it until then
[15:21] <jibel> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/896
[15:21] <gitbot> GNOME issue 896 in mutter "Hang when interacting with desktop icons on x11 after 71c3f4af" [1. Bug, 1. Regression, 5. Backend: X11, Opened]
[15:21] <jibel> no need to click
[15:21] <Laney> that doesn't sound like what the CI would be doing
[15:21] <Laney> or?
[15:21] <Laney> well, yes there is for me
[15:21] <Laney> can give you a screencast if you want me to prove it
[15:22] <seb128> looks like we should wait for that fix to land before wasting time debugging things then
[15:22] <jibel> yeah I can do a screencast :)
[15:22] <jibel> to prove that you don't have to click
[15:22] <seb128> you can be both right, I don't think screencasts are needed
[15:22] <jibel> but I agree it's a waste of time
[15:23] <seb128> let's wait for the known issue to be fixed
[15:23] <jibel> I'd rather wait for the fix and try again
[15:23] <seb128> and see where we stand then
[15:23] <seb128> thx jibel Laney
[15:23] <Laney> if it were me I'd get a backtrace of the no click thing
[15:24] <seb128> Laney, the hang which is known has to do with clicking and you think it might be a different bug then?
[15:24] <seb128> let me see what it does here
[15:24] <Laney> might be
[15:24] <Laney> backtrace would probably give a clue
[15:24] <seb128> it's still downloading
[15:25] <Laney> because it's to do with focus changes which happen when clicking on the desktop icons
[15:48] <tkamppeter> It is possile that I am sufferng bug 1807056, so I would like to test Wayland on 19.10, how do I switch?
[15:49] <tkamppeter> In the login I can only choose "Ubuntu", not "Ubuntu on X" or "Ubuntu on Wayland".
[15:51] <mgedmin> perhaps your system doesn't support wayland?  (e.g. nvidia drivers could be a problem)
[15:51] <Laney> indeed
[15:52] <tkamppeter> My system has no Nvidia, it is a pure Intel Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga 2nd gen.
[15:52] <Laney> well if you're not seeing Wayland as an option then that means that GDM decided your system can't run a Wayland session
[15:52] <Laney> there might be a clue in the journal from when GDM first started
[15:55] <Laney> what did I do wrong that I've started to get sounds for calendar notifications now :(
[15:57] <seb128> is that from the browser or from eds?
[15:57] <Laney> could be eds or shell
[16:08] <tkamppeter> I have rebooted now and I can choose Wayland again but entered the standard X session first to find out whether simply the reboot solves the problem.
[16:36] <tkamppeter> No I hae tried both X and Wayland, and even the text console, the intermittant yboard failures (sometimes one or 2 characters do not appear, sometimes one press of a key le it come out 10-20 times) stll occur.
[16:36] <tkamppeter> Sorry, Now I have tried ...
[16:37] <tkamppeter> Anyon had such a problem?
[16:41]  * mgedmin sometimes (very very rarely) seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees repeated keystrokes when the system is under heavy load
[17:16] <Laney> dgadomski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1754671/comments/150 /o\
[17:20] <tkamppeter> mgedmin, for me at least the missing characters also happen without load, the rpeated ones also sometimes without load.
[17:22] <tkamppeter> I have now contatced Lenovo, as my laptop has a 3-year warranty extension.
[18:14] <bittin> Meeting in 15 minutes? or you already had it?
[18:15] <oSoMoN> bittin, the desktop team meeting is at 13:30 UTC, it was 4 hours ago
[18:17] <bittin> oSoMoN: ah seems my Google Calender shows it wrong for some reason: https://i.imgur.com/tcRY5Jy.png
[18:17] <bittin> is there a log for a curious Ubuntu user?
[18:18] <bittin> nevermind found it: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-11-05-14.31.log.html
[18:24] <bittin> oSoMoN: not sure why the calendar invite shows up for the wrong time for me always in Google Calender imported from Fridge, but looks good
[18:25] <bittin> just a curious user as i said, and had some spare time tonight, will help test Focal ISOs and Alpha/Betas when they are out in January 2020 however
[18:58] <oSoMoN> bittin, that's great, thanks for the help!
[18:58] <bittin> np
[22:15] <robert_ancell> hellsworth, it's official. Saw you on the new hires email :)
[22:17] <hellsworth> i know! fancy that :)