| The_LoudSpeaker | phab.lubuntu.me/D59 | 00:00 |
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| wxl | are you SURE we don't need any of the other ones for the other hacks we configured? | 00:01 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | gl and gl-extra should do I guess. | 00:04 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | How do we find out? | 00:04 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> That just doesn't seem right, gl... | 00:04 |
| wxl | gl is certainly right | 00:04 |
| wxl | you shush, you know nothing | 00:04 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> hmmm | 00:04 |
| wxl | start off with a fresh vm and add all the ones that are to be included and see where they fail | 00:05 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> $10 says it'll fail on a Pi 4 | 00:05 |
| wxl | or look at the apt file list | 00:05 |
| wxl | oh well, life sucks | 00:05 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> And so do you XD | 00:06 |
| wxl | you know it | 00:06 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | You mean I should i stall gl and gl-extra and then edit the file as in D58 and see if all works? | 00:06 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> I will see if I can crash my pi3 | 00:06 |
| wxl | @The_LoudSpeaker: yep. ALL of them. | 00:06 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> Also, @HMollerCl, when pcmanfm-qt is opened as root. We can se …], because of icon theme configurartion, also font changes | 00:07 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> I mean, root has different icon-theme that normal user, and fonts | 00:07 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Can we make them same @HMollerCl? | 00:09 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Just that it would look good | 00:09 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Consistent | 00:10 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> don't know | 00:12 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Also, while I check the xscreensaver. wxl: what do we do of grub-theme? It's in the repos but not Installed automatically and also not in live. | 00:16 |
| wxl | yeah it broke something | 00:16 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | To make it install automatically, I add it to rSEED? | 00:16 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Ah! That broken problem | 00:17 |
| wxl | https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEED19d68e86d6c0ab3510142402e9e5540d2116cd39#10084 | 00:17 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | It's coz grub-theme needs grub Installed | 00:17 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | But grub gets Installed at last. | 00:17 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | I will have to dig mate-grub2-theme again | 00:18 |
| wxl | that's not going to happen functionally in the chroot | 00:18 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | wtf! why do we have bouncing cow ? | 00:21 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | in xscreensavers | 00:21 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | removing it right now | 00:21 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | only crumbler failed | 00:32 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | says no preview availabl | 00:32 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Also, we need data and data-extra along with gl and gl-extra to make sure all of those which we have listed in D58 are there. | 00:46 |
| wxl | isn't data a depend of xscreensaver itself? | 00:46 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Yup! | 00:47 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Data is already there | 00:47 |
| wxl | so no need to be explicit | 00:47 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Data-extra required | 00:47 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Okay. | 00:47 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Done. | 00:48 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Check both D58 and D59 | 00:48 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Now, what about meta? | 00:49 |
| wxl | gotta wait until seed is fixed | 00:49 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> The GL stuff seems fine on the pi3 | 00:50 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | umm that means no need to change rMETA? | 00:50 |
| wxl | not until seed is fixed | 00:51 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | What's wrong with seed? | 00:51 |
| wxl | it's not changed so nothing will change in meta | 00:51 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | So need to wait till D58 and D59 are landed? | 00:51 |
| wxl | if those are both related to seed yes | 00:52 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Yup! Those are. | 00:52 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | wxl: where is .xresources located? | 00:54 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Can't find in home | 00:54 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Or any folder inside it. | 00:54 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rREDSHIFTQTcd55043f048c: removed data/*.desktop folder, contained in patch] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rREDSHIFTQTcd55043f048c | 00:56 | |
| wxl | i added mine to home.. not sure of the good system wide way to do this | 00:57 |
| wxl | this looks like it might provide some clues https://superuser.com/questions/243914/what-is-the-difference-between-xresources-and-xdefaults | 00:59 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | maybe someway using default settings I am sure | 00:59 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | thanks! I will look it up | 00:59 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | There's a common file which we can use. | 01:10 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Also, donlt know why the new login button is wierd | 01:19 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | and when we click on it, it goes back to ho it should be | 01:20 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | but we don't get to new user screen. i.e sddm | 01:20 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | to change the user | 01:20 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | there's a hack that allows this. | 01:20 |
| wxl | huh? | 01:21 |
| wxl | PJ | 01:21 |
| wxl | s/PJ/OH/ | 01:21 |
| wxl | yeah i don't knwo why either | 01:21 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | the hack to enable logging into other user seesions when one is locked is to install a gdmflexiserver executable in path and calling switch-to-greeter using dm-tool but I can't install dm-tool | 01:22 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | is it only available for lightdm? | 01:22 |
| wxl | your guess is as good as mine | 01:23 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | ugg then how do we point to user changing function of sddm? | 01:24 |
| wxl | research | 01:24 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | \o/ | 01:24 |
| wxl | maybe ask kubuntu folks | 01:27 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | they use sddm? | 01:34 |
| wxl | yep | 01:35 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | whom can I tag there? | 01:36 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | I just asked in #kubuntu-devel | 01:36 |
| wxl | well @RikMills is here but he's prolly sleeping | 01:36 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Okay. Anyone else? | 01:37 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Also, I got the new login button fixed. | 01:40 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | the file is /etc/X11/Xresources/x11-common | 01:41 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | I add that to default-seetings? | 01:41 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | *should I | 01:41 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | *settings | 01:41 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | ^ wxl: | 01:42 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> ^ wxl:], I remembered that once I wanted to change the icons and fonts for root (sudo), but then I thought that it is a good visual "warning" to remember that you are in sudo | 01:54 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> And need to be careful | 01:54 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Yup! Sounds good. | 02:15 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> the file is /etc/X11/Xresources/x11-common], About this. I guess the file from D58 will also do the job. I will have to check. | 02:16 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb6a59fec3e7d: Add blue to describe icon] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb6a59fec3e7d | 04:54 | |
| lubot | glpzzz was added by: glpzzz | 05:21 |
| lubot | <glpzzz> Hello? | 05:25 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfe3c37a70045: Add () buttons] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfe3c37a70045 | 06:51 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8715cbdb31ad: Add note on natural log for ln button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8715cbdb31ad | 06:54 | |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @glpzzz [Hello?], Yup! How can we help you? | 08:38 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | !grub2-theme-mate | 09:16 |
| ubot93 | Factoid 'grub2-theme-mate' not found | 09:16 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | !mate-grub2-theme | 09:17 |
| ubot93 | Factoid 'mate-grub2-theme' not found | 09:17 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | I hate you ubot93 ! | 09:17 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> I hate you ubot93 !], !info PACKAGE | 12:40 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> I know. | 12:41 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> :) | 12:42 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @glpzzz [Hello?], Hi! | 12:42 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> so what are you doing in lximage-qt @glpzzz ? | 12:42 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Certainly off-topic but here it is: … I am trying to install unity8 on 16.04 according to this: … https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/unity8-on-the-desktop-95 … But I get following error: … https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/4425e2d60c501f86e1496af513c8b6c4/pasted.txt | 12:42 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Any help ploxx? | 12:43 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> We blame @UniversalSuperBox here. :P | 12:43 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> XD | 12:43 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> https://github.com/lxqt/lximage-qt/issues/283 @glpzzz ?? | 12:43 |
| lubot | <glpzzz> @HMollerCl [so what are you doing in lximage-qt @glpzzz ?], Compact mode. When you open an image, is just it, no bars at all. I like this behavior on sxiv and adadpted to lximage-qt. Just need final touch | 12:44 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> I like it | 12:44 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Whether we enable it by default is a different discussion, but I really do like it | 12:44 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Thanks for your work @glpzzz :) | 12:44 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @tsimonq2 [I like it], +1 | 12:45 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> nice! | 12:45 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Reminds me of Picasa | 12:45 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @tsimonq2 [Thanks for your work @glpzzz :)], +1 | 12:45 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @glpzzz every thursday we have a standout meeting here in the channel I believe it is at 19:00UTC. Each one talks about what is he doing | 12:54 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @glpzzz [you're welcome. … I haven't finished because of: … 1. Time … 2. I really don't under …], Issues in GitHub are not the same as pull requests. You have filed an issue and have some code, which is great, but the pull request needs to be filed | 13:27 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> https://github.com/lxqt/lximage-qt/compare | 13:27 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> If I can help you any more, say so :) | 13:28 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Ah, the pull request wasn't linked to the issue | 13:29 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Now I see it | 13:29 |
| lubot | <glpzzz> @tsimonq2 [Issues in GitHub are not the same as pull requests. You have filed an issue and …], I did it. | 13:29 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @glpzzz [I did it.], Yes, thank you :) | 13:29 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> My mistake | 13:29 |
| lubot | <glpzzz> @tsimonq2 [Ah, the pull request wasn't linked to the issue], There is a comment there I really don't understand. Any help will be good. English is not my first answer. | 13:29 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @glpzzz [There is a comment there I really don't understand. Any help will be good. Engli …], Yo hablo un poco español pero @HMollerCl ayuda mas :) | 13:30 |
| lubot | <glpzzz> 👍👍👍👍 | 13:30 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Which comment? | 13:31 |
| lubot | <glpzzz> Tsujan one. Is the one giving feedback. But I think I don't understand what he means in the last one. | 13:31 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> In-line comment, the one in the code, or the one on the pull request itself? | 13:32 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> https://github.com/lxqt/lximage-qt/pull/284#discussion_r341746483 | 13:33 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Which part can I help you understand? | 13:35 |
| lubot | <glpzzz> Hi. Sorry. I had to attend someone who arrive. let me check | 14:37 |
| lubot | <glpzzz> @tsimonq2 [Which part can I help you understand?], Ok. I remember now. What I don't understand is: … - the actual code is doing what we want but needs cleaning, improvement? … or … - the solution is not doing what is expected. If so, which is the expected behavior? | 14:40 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @glpzzz [Ok. I remember now. What I don't understand is: … - the actual code is doing what …], From my understanding, it is code cleanup | 14:47 |
| popey | The_LoudSpeaker: another keyboard combo? | 14:49 |
| lubot | <glpzzz> @tsimonq2 [From my understanding, it is code cleanup], Ok! Thanks! | 15:03 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @popey [<popey> The_LoudSpeaker: another keyboard combo?], Super+F6/F7.. something..? | 16:36 |
| popey | Oh, each device has their own keyboard combination. My thinkpad has a Fn+F7 or something key combo. It's unique to each laptop. | 16:37 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Oh. Okay. I will check. | 16:37 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | What happened when you pressed Fn+F7 on your device? | 16:38 |
| popey | I can't remember now, would have to go back and watch the video :D | 16:38 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Hehe. | 16:38 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Okay. | 16:38 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | I have it as Fn+F6 | 16:39 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | I will check. | 16:39 |
| kc2bez | popey: Is super + P a common shortcut to bring up the monitor settings? | 16:39 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | F5 actually | 16:39 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | kc2bez: yup! | 16:39 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | It is. | 16:39 |
| popey | It's been used for years on Windows, and was adopted in Unity too. | 16:39 |
| kc2bez | Ok, good to know. | 16:40 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | It brings up options to duplicate, extend or select screens. | 16:40 |
| popey | it should toggle between internal panel, both, only external, or mirrored | 16:40 |
| popey | it shouldn't bring up a settings dialog, but a dialog which shows which mode you're in | 16:40 |
| popey | it only appears if you have an external display attached. | 16:40 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | It's there in ubuntu also right popey ? | 16:40 |
| popey | in GNOME and KDE, yes | 16:40 |
| kc2bez | Thanks popey | 16:41 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Nice. I will have a look soon. | 16:41 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Thanks! | 16:41 |
| popey | https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/1176487207298895872 | 16:42 |
| popey | i made that tweet to help people learn about it :) | 16:42 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T131: Version Number in Plymouth?] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T131 | 17:44 | |
| lubot | devrajvishnu was added by: devrajvishnu | 18:27 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T131: Version Number in Plymouth?] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T131#2665 | 18:34 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2666 | 19:46 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2667 | 19:56 | |
| wxl | @kc2bez you make any headway on the keyboard switcher issue? it might be good to at least reply to the OP and say we think we've found a bug and we're investigating further | 20:53 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> I can reply, I really wanted to spin up a Debian install to verify further but I have not had a chance yet. :( | 20:54 |
| wxl | perhaps a reply might encourage them to help with testing :) | 20:55 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> Fair enough, I will draft something shortly. | 20:55 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2668 | 20:56 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2670 | 21:06 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) edited a message on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2670 | 21:06 | |
| wxl | ^ Einar accepted my invitation to learn packaging | 21:06 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> \o/ That is fantastic. | 21:15 |
| lubot | <Rutvikm> @wxl [<wxl> ^ Einar accepted my invitation to learn packaging], Heyy | 21:17 |
| wxl | @Rutvikm you wwant to join, too? :) | 21:19 |
| lubot | <Rutvikm> @wxl [<wxl> @Rutvikm you wwant to join, too? :)], Sure Bruh | 21:20 |
| lubot | <Rutvikm> Not now though, kind of busy | 21:21 |
| lubot | <Rutvikm> 2:50 am here | 21:21 |
| wxl | well start by reading the docs for one thing! | 21:21 |
| lubot | <Rutvikm> @wxl [<wxl> well start by reading the docs for one thing!], 👍🏻 | 21:22 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2672 | 21:23 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2674 | 21:24 | |
| lubot | Leki was added by: Leki | 21:26 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @wxl [<wxl> @Rutvikm you wwant to join, too? :)], @glpzzz might want to learn also | 21:26 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2675 | 21:26 | |
| wxl | @HMollerCl @glpzzz yes! more developers! | 21:26 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl @glpzzz yes! more developers!], And he already knows c++ and qt | 21:28 |
| wxl | even better! | 21:28 |
| wxl | he can be our official cpp translator | 21:28 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> +1 | 21:28 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> https://github.com/llamaret/MystiQ look that | 21:29 |
| wxl | wow cool | 21:30 |
| lubot | <glpzzz> @HMollerCl [@glpzzz might want to learn also], yes, I want | 21:33 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> I just checked budgie. Bugie's welcome screen is very good. has features like selction of browser, installation of restricted-extras, nvdia drivers, langauge packs etc. quite handy for new and old users alike. saves time. | 21:33 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> https://youtu.be/y6VEne8BeDk … ig explains it nicely in this video. | 21:34 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> We should have something simillar. | 21:34 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> mate also has a welcome center. haven't checked that out yet tho | 21:34 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Do we have a task for welcome center? | 21:34 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2676 | 21:35 | |
| wxl | @The_LoudSpeaker @SamuelBanya and @tsimonq2 chipped away at it a bit https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/welcome/ | 21:36 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker @SamuelBanya and @tsimonq2 chipped away at it a bit https …], noted. | 21:36 |
| wxl | see also https://phab.lubuntu.me/T17 | 21:36 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Write a Welcome Center: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T17 | 21:36 | |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> priority needs to be increased imo. | 21:37 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | should really really checkout budgie. | 21:42 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T17: Write a Welcome Center] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T17#2678 | 21:44 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2aa9e3d499eb: Fix indentation] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2aa9e3d499eb | 21:45 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2679 | 21:51 | |
| lubot | <Rutvikm> @The_LoudSpeaker [We should have something simillar.], Other idea is to skip welcome screen all together | 21:52 |
| lubot | <Rutvikm> For a seamless Windows like experience | 21:52 |
| lubot | <Rutvikm> Zorin OS does that | 21:53 |
| lubot | <Rutvikm> @Rutvikm [Other idea is to skip welcome screen all together], Except for first reboot maybe | 21:53 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2680 | 21:53 | |
| wxl | i think that's the idea | 21:53 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2681 | 22:03 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2682 | 22:04 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2683 | 22:07 | |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0e2cd5b42862: Add missing word] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0e2cd5b42862 | 22:11 | |
| The_LoudSpeaker | It should be there for first boot. | 22:15 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | And then idle as a application afterwards | 22:15 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Useful to reconfigure desktop. Like ubuntu-budgie | 22:16 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALdd75ae59c98e: Add missing the in sentence] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALdd75ae59c98e | 22:18 | |
| The_LoudSpeaker | what all distros use xscreensaver? | 22:41 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | and sddm? | 22:41 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | I will ask how they are facing the new login button. | 22:42 |
| lubot | <Guephren> @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> @Guephren: Do you have experience with CSS, or just graphic design?], Woops, almost a month old. I'm sorry, Simon, I don't know enough about CSS to make a good job. | 22:42 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | hii Guephren! | 22:43 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | been a while. | 22:43 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> I think we may be the last flavor using xscreensaver and kubuntu would be the only other flavor using sddm. | 22:44 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> new login button? | 22:44 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> On screensaver | 22:45 |
| lubot | <RikMills> What has sddm got to do with a screensaver on any disto? They are utterly different things. | 22:46 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> The one which allows to change user | 22:46 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> agree | 22:46 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> xscreensaver's lockscreen doesn't allow for that and it isn't tied to sddm in any way. | 22:47 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @RikMills [What has sddm got to do with a screensaver on any disto? They are utterly diffe …], Umm. The thing is, xscreensaver has a button which allows to change user. It is hard-coded to use gdmflexiserver. Now the hack to that is providing an executable in path with that name which points to dm-tool switch-to-greeter. | 22:49 |
| lubot | … Now, dm-tool comes only with lightdm. We are using sddm. Need to figure out how we can launch sddm's user changing spec. Will have to put that in gdmflexiserver executable. | 22:49 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez [xscreensaver's lockscreen doesn't allow for that and it isn't tied to sddm in an …], There's a button there named "New Login" on xscreensaver | 22:50 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Clicking on which gives: … xscreensaver: time-here : could not execute "gdmflexiserver": No such file or directory | 22:52 |
| lubot | <RikMills> a) Disable the button … or … b) fix it … or … c) stop using an ancient screensaver which is not needed nowadays on most things | 22:54 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> weird, we should probably remove it. I can't believe I have never noticed it. | 22:54 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> I would like to go with option b. @RikMills coz it's the most secure one out there. AFAIK. | 22:55 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> If you know better alternatives. We are all ears. | 22:55 |
| lubot | <RikMills> None are secure on X | 22:56 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> well by remove it, I meant the button. | 22:56 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez [weird, we should probably remove it. I can't believe I have never noticed it.], Removing it removes the functionality of having multiple users logged in simultaneously. | 22:56 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Like using some app in user 1, then locking it and going to user2 and using other apps. | 22:57 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @RikMills [None are secure on X], Xscreensaver is safest of them all. | 22:57 |
| lubot | <RikMills> This sort of nonsense is probably why KDE dropped a screensaver, and implemented their own lockscreen stuff. 😆 | 22:58 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Each one to it's own. :) | 22:59 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> I would like to hear what others have to say. @tsimonq2 wxl: @teward001 @guiverc @HMollerCl and those whom I can't tag here. | 23:00 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @lynorian | 23:00 |
| wxl | i don't really trust anything else | 23:01 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Ubuntu still uses xscreensaver right? Gdm on top of it? Popey: ? | 23:01 |
| wxl | no | 23:01 |
| wxl | gnome and kde both rolled the functionality in | 23:02 |
| guiverc | @The_LoudSpeaker, sorry I'm not sure what you want an opinion about (from me) | 23:02 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Oh! I read somewhere that gdm was on top of xscreensaver. Read it on some forum's comments i guess. | 23:03 |
| lubot | <RikMills> Yeah, I think Ubuntu just goes to screenlock screen, with some timeout to blank the display? | 23:03 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> @wxl [<wxl> gnome and kde both rolled the functionality in], xfce and mate did too | 23:03 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @guiverc [<guiverc> @The_LoudSpeaker, sorry I'm not sure what you want an opinion about (f …], Should we drop the functionality of having multiple users logged in simultaneously by dropping the new login button on xscreensaver? Or should we fix it? | 23:03 |
| wxl | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenSaver | 23:04 |
| wxl | ^ that's gnome-screensaver, which is likely used by all | 23:04 |
| wxl | (except kde which strangely has their functionality in kwin) | 23:04 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> If we can fix it, great. If not we should remove the button so that we don't ship broken in a LTS version. | 23:05 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> ^ that's gnome-screensaver, which is likely used by all], We are definitely not using that coz strictly no gtk. | 23:05 |
| wxl | i do think we have to support multiple users | 23:05 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> We should... But as you think best sensei. | 23:05 |
| wxl | well, not strictly...... but avoid as much as possible | 23:05 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez [If we can fix it, great. If not we should remove the button so that we don't shi …], For fixing we need to find someone like us who uses sddm + xscreensaver. | 23:06 |
| lubot | <RikMills> wxl: https://cgit.kde.org/kscreenlocker.git/ | 23:06 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Maybe linux lite? | 23:06 |
| lubot | <RikMills> Not 'in' kwin | 23:06 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [For fixing we need to find someone like us who uses sddm + xscreensaver.], And supports multiple user login. | 23:07 |
| guiverc | I don't have an opinion, I suspect most (if not all users) would use only single signin at a time (but I bet there could be a few that could scream/MISS that if removed; as a few likely do use it - if it's a hassle I don't mind it's removal) . my 2c | 23:07 |
| lubot | <ShiBonCip> @The_LoudSpeaker [For fixing we need to find someone like us who uses sddm + xscreensaver.], im on it too | 23:07 |
| lubot | <ShiBonCip> @guiverc [<guiverc> I don't have an opinion, I suspect most (if not all users) would use o …], well said | 23:08 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> I m not sure but vaguely remember seeing xscreensaver on oracle linux but it uses lightdm. :/ | 23:09 |
| wxl | could always ask jwz | 23:10 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> For now, I will push the changes that change the look of the dialogue box. Not the touching the button. wxl: I can put it in a common app-defaults file which already has it's own few lines in it or create a separate one. Gotta dig on where to place the separate one tho. | 23:11 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Who's jwz? | 23:12 |
| wxl | creator of xscreensaver | 23:12 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Ah! | 23:13 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> @The_LoudSpeaker [For fixing we need to find someone like us who uses sddm + xscreensaver.], I doubt you will find that combination in use but I could be wrong. | 23:13 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> I also have to talk to him about changing the logo and building it from source. Will try to contact. | 23:13 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez [I doubt you will find that combination in use but I could be wrong.], Xfce? | 23:14 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> You may be able to ask in #sddm | 23:14 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez [You may be able to ask in #sddm], Noted. | 23:14 |
| wxl | he WON'T change the logo | 23:14 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> @The_LoudSpeaker [Xfce?], xfce has their own thing. | 23:14 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> K. | 23:14 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> But I meant not Xubuntu. Something like linux lite or voyager linux xfce. | 23:15 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Heck! I deleted the latter's iso just 1/2 hr ago. | 23:15 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | wxl: I know he won't but we can try asking again. maybe he changes his mind? | 23:21 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | if we provide something else that gives the credit on lockscreen ;) | 23:22 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | maybe | 23:22 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | I asked in #sddm is there anyone I can tag there? | 23:23 |
| wxl | https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html | 23:23 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | that bug example tho! | 23:26 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | that page really explains some things nicely | 23:29 |
| wxl | he does a pretty good job of such things | 23:29 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | the example of sun at the end is also good. | 23:30 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | It's not going to be easy to persuade him to change the logo. | 23:31 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | "Previalge Escalation" nice way to name a bug. | 23:32 |
| wxl | https://github.com/porridge/xscreensaver/blob/dcba9296ceea5d5ffa80adb86a174c845e823c2c/utils/logo.c#L15-L19 | 23:32 |
| wxl | you are NOT going to have any luck there | 23:33 |
| wxl | you could hack the code to make it work, but you run a security risk | 23:33 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Well. I can create a image with exact same name and size and just put it in there. But agreed that image is it's identity. Don't want to take that away from it. | 23:37 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> By size I meant dimensions. | 23:37 |
| wxl | but you're not understanding.. this is not an image that is loaded at runtime | 23:38 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Can even try to tune it to size in bytes but I guess that's very very impossible/hard. | 23:38 |
| wxl | it's loaded when you're compiling | 23:38 |
| wxl | so you'd need to make a whole separate packaging of xscreensaver | 23:38 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> so you'd need to make a whole separate packaging of xscreensaver], Yeah i know. | 23:38 |
| wxl | just don't | 23:38 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> It won't be a patch anymore. It will be a whole different fork. | 23:39 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> just don't], Okay. | 23:39 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | https://phab.lubuntu.me/D58 | 23:47 |
| -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Added default theme for Xscreensaver.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D58 | 23:47 | |
| wxl | you know we have a bot, right? XD | 23:47 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | For T21 and T119 | 23:47 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | yup! we do but my terminal gave me this link so just pasting it here :) | 23:48 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | what about version string? | 23:57 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | 20.04.1 | 23:57 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | like it was 19.10.1 | 23:57 |
| genii | 20.04.1 looks... wrong | 23:57 |
| wxl | last line | 23:58 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | i scrolled down the changelog. it was 19.10.1 | 23:58 |
| kc2bez | The_LoudSpeaker: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-versions/ | 23:58 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | ah! in main file you mean. | 23:59 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | right | 23:59 |
| wxl | yep | 23:59 |
| The_LoudSpeaker | so 20.04.1 is good ? | 23:59 |
| wxl | for the package | 23:59 |
| wxl | for the file, 20.04 | 23:59 |
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