[00:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> phab.lubuntu.me/D59
[00:01] <wxl> are you SURE we don't need any of the other ones for the other hacks we configured?
[00:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> gl and gl-extra should do I guess.
[00:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> How do we find out?
 That just doesn't seem right, gl...
[00:04] <wxl> gl is certainly right
[00:04] <wxl> you shush, you know nothing
 hmmm
[00:05] <wxl> start off with a fresh vm and add all the ones that are to be included and see where they fail
 $10 says it'll fail on a Pi 4
[00:05] <wxl> or look at the apt file list
[00:05] <wxl> oh well, life sucks
 And so do you XD
[00:06] <wxl> you know it
[00:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> You mean I should i stall gl and gl-extra and then edit the file as in D58 and see if all works?
 I will see if I can crash my pi3
[00:06] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: yep. ALL of them.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> Also, @HMollerCl, when pcmanfm-qt is opened as root. We can se …], because of icon theme configurartion, also  font changes
 I mean, root has different icon-theme that normal user, and fonts
[00:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> Can we make them same @HMollerCl?
[00:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> Just that it would look good
[00:10] <The_LoudSpeaker> Consistent
 don't know
[00:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, while I check the xscreensaver. wxl: what do we do of grub-theme? It's in the repos but not Installed automatically and also not in live.
[00:16] <wxl> yeah it broke something
[00:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> To make it install automatically, I add it to rSEED?
[00:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> Ah! That broken problem
[00:17] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEED19d68e86d6c0ab3510142402e9e5540d2116cd39#10084
[00:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> It's coz grub-theme needs grub Installed
[00:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> But grub gets Installed at last.
[00:18] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will have to dig mate-grub2-theme again
[00:18] <wxl> that's not going to happen functionally in the chroot
[00:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> wtf! why do we have bouncing cow ?
[00:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> in xscreensavers
[00:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> removing it right now
[00:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> only crumbler failed
[00:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> says no preview availabl
[00:46] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, we need data and data-extra along with gl and gl-extra to make sure all of those which we have listed in D58 are there.
[00:46] <wxl> isn't data a depend of xscreensaver itself?
[00:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yup! 
[00:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> Data is already there
[00:47] <wxl> so no need to be explicit
[00:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> Data-extra required
[00:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> Okay.
[00:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> Done.
[00:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> Check both D58 and D59
[00:49] <The_LoudSpeaker> Now, what about meta?
[00:49] <wxl> gotta wait until seed is fixed
 The GL stuff seems fine on the pi3
[00:50] <The_LoudSpeaker> umm that means no need to change rMETA?
[00:51] <wxl> not until seed is fixed
[00:51] <The_LoudSpeaker> What's wrong with seed?
[00:51] <wxl> it's not changed so nothing will change in meta
[00:51] <The_LoudSpeaker> So need to wait till D58 and D59 are landed?
[00:52] <wxl> if those are both related to seed yes
[00:52] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yup! Those are.
[00:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: where is .xresources located?
[00:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> Can't find in home 
[00:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> Or any folder inside it.
[00:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rREDSHIFTQTcd55043f048c: removed data/*.desktop folder, contained in patch] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rREDSHIFTQTcd55043f048c
[00:57] <wxl> i added mine to home.. not sure of the good system wide way to do this
[00:59] <wxl> this looks like it might provide some clues https://superuser.com/questions/243914/what-is-the-difference-between-xresources-and-xdefaults
[00:59] <The_LoudSpeaker> maybe someway using default settings I am sure
[00:59] <The_LoudSpeaker> thanks! I will look it up
[01:10] <The_LoudSpeaker> There's a common file which we can use. 
[01:19] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, donlt know why the new login button is wierd
[01:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> and when we click on it, it goes back to ho it should be
[01:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> but we don't get to new user screen. i.e sddm
[01:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> to change the user
[01:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> there's a hack that allows this.
[01:21] <wxl> huh?
[01:21] <wxl> PJ
[01:21] <wxl> s/PJ/OH/
[01:21] <wxl> yeah i don't knwo why either
[01:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> the hack to enable logging into other user seesions when one is locked is to install a gdmflexiserver executable in path and calling switch-to-greeter using dm-tool but I can't install dm-tool
[01:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> is it only available for lightdm?
[01:23] <wxl> your guess is as good as mine
[01:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> ugg then how do we point to user changing function of sddm?
[01:24] <wxl> research
[01:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> \o/
[01:27] <wxl> maybe ask kubuntu folks
[01:34] <The_LoudSpeaker> they use sddm?
[01:35] <wxl> yep
[01:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> whom can I tag there?
[01:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> I just asked in #kubuntu-devel
[01:36] <wxl> well @RikMills is here but he's prolly sleeping
[01:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> Okay. Anyone else?
[01:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, I got the new login button fixed.
[01:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> the file is /etc/X11/Xresources/x11-common
[01:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> I add that to default-seetings?
[01:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> *should I
[01:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> *settings
[01:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ wxl: 
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> ^ wxl:], I remembered that once I wanted to change the icons and fonts for root (sudo), but then I thought that it is a good visual "warning" to remember that you are in sudo
 And need to be careful
 Yup! Sounds good.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> the file is /etc/X11/Xresources/x11-common], About this. I guess the file from D58 will also do the job. I will have to check.
[04:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb6a59fec3e7d: Add blue to describe icon] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb6a59fec3e7d
 Hello?
[06:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfe3c37a70045: Add () buttons] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfe3c37a70045
[06:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8715cbdb31ad: Add note on natural log for ln button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8715cbdb31ad
 @glpzzz [Hello?], Yup! How can we help you?
[09:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> !grub2-theme-mate
[09:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> !mate-grub2-theme
[09:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> I hate you ubot93 !
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> I hate you ubot93 !], !info PACKAGE
 I know.
 :)
 @glpzzz [Hello?], Hi!
 so what are you doing in lximage-qt @glpzzz ?
 Certainly off-topic but here it is: … I am trying to install unity8 on 16.04 according to this: … https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/unity8-on-the-desktop-95 … But I get following error: … https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/4425e2d60c501f86e1496af513c8b6c4/pasted.txt
 Any help ploxx?
 We blame @UniversalSuperBox here. :P
 XD
 https://github.com/lxqt/lximage-qt/issues/283 @glpzzz ??
 @HMollerCl [so what are you doing in lximage-qt @glpzzz ?], Compact mode. When you open an image, is just it, no bars at all. I like this behavior on sxiv and adadpted to lximage-qt. Just need final touch
 I like it
 Whether we enable it by default is a different discussion, but I really do like it
 Thanks for your work @glpzzz :)
 @tsimonq2 [I like it], +1
 nice!
 Reminds me of Picasa
 @tsimonq2 [Thanks for your work @glpzzz :)], +1
 @glpzzz every thursday we have a standout meeting here in the channel I believe it is at 19:00UTC. Each one talks about what is he doing
 @glpzzz [you're welcome.  … I haven't finished because of: … 1. Time … 2. I really don't under …], Issues in GitHub are not the same as pull requests. You have filed an issue and have some code, which is great, but the pull request needs to be filed
 https://github.com/lxqt/lximage-qt/compare
 If I can help you any more, say so :)
 Ah, the pull request wasn't linked to the issue
 Now I see it
 @tsimonq2 [Issues in GitHub are not the same as pull requests. You have filed an issue and …], I did it.
 @glpzzz [I did it.], Yes, thank you :)
 My mistake
 @tsimonq2 [Ah, the pull request wasn't linked to the issue], There is a comment there I really don't understand. Any help will be good. English is not my first answer.
 @glpzzz [There is a comment there I really don't understand. Any help will be good. Engli …], Yo hablo un poco español pero @HMollerCl ayuda mas :)
 👍👍👍👍
 Which comment?
 Tsujan one. Is the one giving feedback. But I think I don't understand what he means in the last one.
 In-line comment, the one in the code, or the one on the pull request itself?
 https://github.com/lxqt/lximage-qt/pull/284#discussion_r341746483
 Which part can I help you understand?
 Hi. Sorry. I had to attend someone who arrive. let me check
 @tsimonq2 [Which part can I help you understand?], Ok. I remember now. What I don't understand is: … - the actual code is doing what we want but needs cleaning, improvement?  … or  … - the solution is not doing what is expected. If so, which is the expected behavior?
 @glpzzz [Ok. I remember now. What I don't understand is: … - the actual code is doing what …], From my understanding, it is code cleanup
[14:49] <popey> The_LoudSpeaker: another keyboard combo?
 @tsimonq2 [From my understanding, it is code cleanup], Ok! Thanks!
 @popey [<popey> The_LoudSpeaker: another keyboard combo?], Super+F6/F7.. something..?
[16:37] <popey> Oh, each device has their own keyboard combination. My thinkpad has a Fn+F7 or something key combo. It's unique to each laptop.
[16:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> Oh. Okay. I will check.
[16:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> What happened when you pressed Fn+F7 on your device?
[16:38] <popey> I can't remember now, would have to go back and watch the video :D
[16:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> Hehe.
[16:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> Okay. 
[16:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> I have it as Fn+F6
[16:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will check.
[16:39] <kc2bez> popey: Is super + P a common shortcut to bring up the monitor settings?
[16:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> F5 actually
[16:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> kc2bez: yup!
[16:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> It is.
[16:39] <popey> It's been used for years on Windows, and was adopted in Unity too.
[16:40] <kc2bez> Ok, good to know.
[16:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> It brings up options to duplicate, extend or select screens.
[16:40] <popey> it should toggle between internal panel, both, only external, or mirrored
[16:40] <popey> it shouldn't bring up a settings dialog, but a dialog which shows which mode you're in
[16:40] <popey> it only appears if you have an external display attached. 
[16:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> It's there in ubuntu also right popey ?
[16:40] <popey> in GNOME and KDE, yes
[16:41] <kc2bez> Thanks popey
[16:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> Nice. I will have a look soon.
[16:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> Thanks!
[16:42] <popey> https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/1176487207298895872
[16:42] <popey> i made that tweet to help people learn about it :)
[17:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T131: Version Number in Plymouth?] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T131
[18:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T131: Version Number in Plymouth?] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T131#2665
[19:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2666
[19:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2667
[20:53] <wxl> @kc2bez you make any headway on the keyboard switcher issue? it might be good to at least reply to the OP and say we think we've found a bug and we're investigating further
 I can reply, I really wanted to spin up a Debian install to verify further but I have not had a chance yet. :(
[20:55] <wxl> perhaps a reply might encourage them to help with testing :)
 Fair enough, I will draft something shortly.
[20:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2668
[21:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2670
[21:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) edited a message on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2670
[21:06] <wxl> ^ Einar accepted my invitation to learn packaging
 \o/ That is fantastic.
 @wxl [<wxl> ^ Einar accepted my invitation to learn packaging], Heyy
[21:19] <wxl> @Rutvikm you wwant to join, too? :)
 @wxl [<wxl> @Rutvikm you wwant to join, too? :)], Sure Bruh
 Not now though, kind of busy
 2:50 am here
[21:21] <wxl> well start by reading the docs for one thing!
 @wxl [<wxl> well start by reading the docs for one thing!], 👍🏻
[21:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2672
[21:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2674
 @wxl [<wxl> @Rutvikm you wwant to join, too? :)], @glpzzz might want to learn also
[21:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2675
[21:26] <wxl> @HMollerCl @glpzzz yes! more developers!
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl @glpzzz yes! more developers!], And he already knows c++ and qt
[21:28] <wxl> even better!
[21:28] <wxl> he can be our official cpp translator
 +1
 https://github.com/llamaret/MystiQ look that
[21:30] <wxl> wow cool
 @HMollerCl [@glpzzz might want to learn also], yes, I want
 I just checked budgie. Bugie's welcome screen is very good. has features like selction of browser, installation of restricted-extras, nvdia drivers, langauge packs etc. quite handy for new and old users alike. saves time.
 https://youtu.be/y6VEne8BeDk … ig explains it nicely in this video.
 We should have something simillar.
 mate also has a welcome center. haven't checked that out yet tho
 Do we have a task for welcome center?
[21:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2676
[21:36] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker @SamuelBanya and @tsimonq2 chipped away at it a bit https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/welcome/
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker @SamuelBanya and @tsimonq2 chipped away at it a bit https …], noted.
[21:36] <wxl> see also https://phab.lubuntu.me/T17
[21:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Write a Welcome Center: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T17
 priority needs to be increased imo.
[21:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> should really really checkout budgie.
[21:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T17: Write a Welcome Center] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T17#2678
[21:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2aa9e3d499eb: Fix indentation] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2aa9e3d499eb
[21:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2679
 @The_LoudSpeaker [We should have something simillar.], Other idea is to skip welcome screen all together
 For a seamless Windows like experience
 Zorin OS does that
 @Rutvikm [Other idea is to skip welcome screen all together], Except for first reboot maybe
[21:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2680
[21:53] <wxl> i think that's the idea
[22:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2681
[22:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2682
[22:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2683
[22:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0e2cd5b42862: Add missing word] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0e2cd5b42862
[22:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> It should be there for first boot.
[22:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> And then idle as a application afterwards
[22:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> Useful to reconfigure desktop. Like ubuntu-budgie
[22:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALdd75ae59c98e: Add missing the in sentence] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALdd75ae59c98e
[22:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> what all distros use xscreensaver?
[22:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> and sddm?
[22:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will ask how they are facing the new login button.
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> @Guephren: Do you have experience with CSS, or just graphic design?], Woops, almost a month old. I'm sorry, Simon, I don't know enough about CSS to make a good job.
[22:43] <The_LoudSpeaker> hii Guephren! 
[22:43] <The_LoudSpeaker> been a while.
 I think we may be the last flavor using xscreensaver and kubuntu would be the only other flavor using sddm.
 new login button?
 On screensaver
 What has sddm got to do with a screensaver on any disto?  They are utterly different things.
 The one which allows to change user
 agree
 xscreensaver's lockscreen doesn't allow for that and it isn't tied to sddm in any way.
 @RikMills [What has sddm got to do with a screensaver on any disto?  They are utterly diffe …], Umm. The thing is, xscreensaver has a button which allows to change user. It is hard-coded to use gdmflexiserver. Now the hack to that is providing an executable in path with that name which points to dm-tool switch-to-greeter. 
 @kc2bez [xscreensaver's lockscreen doesn't allow for that and it isn't tied to sddm in an …], There's a button there named "New Login" on xscreensaver
 Clicking on which gives: … xscreensaver: time-here : could not execute "gdmflexiserver": No such file or directory
 a) Disable the button … or … b) fix it … or  … c) stop using an ancient screensaver which is not needed nowadays on most things
 weird, we should probably remove it. I can't believe I have never noticed it.
 I would like to go with option b. @RikMills coz it's the most secure one out there. AFAIK.
 If you know better alternatives. We are all ears.
 None are secure on X
 well by remove it, I meant the button.
 @kc2bez [weird, we should probably remove it. I can't believe I have never noticed it.], Removing it removes the functionality of having multiple users logged in simultaneously.
 Like using some app in user 1, then locking it and going to user2 and using other apps.
 @RikMills [None are secure on X], Xscreensaver is safest of them all.
 This sort of nonsense is probably why KDE dropped a screensaver, and implemented their own lockscreen stuff. 😆
 Each one to it's own. :)
 I would like to hear what others have to say. @tsimonq2 wxl: @teward001 @guiverc @HMollerCl and those whom I can't tag here.
 @lynorian
[23:01] <wxl> i don't really trust anything else
 Ubuntu still uses xscreensaver right? Gdm on top of it? Popey: ?
[23:01] <wxl> no
[23:02] <wxl> gnome and kde both rolled the functionality in
[23:02] <guiverc> @The_LoudSpeaker, sorry I'm not sure what you want an opinion about (from me)
 Oh! I read somewhere that gdm was on top of xscreensaver. Read it on some forum's comments i guess.
 Yeah, I think Ubuntu just goes to screenlock screen, with some timeout to blank the display?
 @wxl [<wxl> gnome and kde both rolled the functionality in], xfce and mate did too
 @guiverc [<guiverc> @The_LoudSpeaker, sorry I'm not sure what you want an opinion about (f …], Should we drop the functionality of having multiple users logged in simultaneously by dropping the new login button on xscreensaver? Or should we fix it?
[23:04] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenSaver
[23:04] <wxl> ^ that's gnome-screensaver, which is likely used by all
[23:04] <wxl> (except kde which strangely has their functionality in kwin)
 If we can fix it, great. If not we should remove the button so that we don't ship broken in a LTS version.
 @wxl [<wxl> ^ that's gnome-screensaver, which is likely used by all], We are definitely not using that coz strictly no gtk.
[23:05] <wxl> i do think we have to support multiple users
 We should... But as you think best sensei.
[23:05] <wxl> well, not strictly...... but avoid as much as possible
 @kc2bez [If we can fix it, great. If not we should remove the button so that we don't shi …], For fixing we need to find someone like us who uses sddm + xscreensaver.
 wxl: https://cgit.kde.org/kscreenlocker.git/
 Maybe linux lite?
 Not 'in' kwin
 @The_LoudSpeaker [For fixing we need to find someone like us who uses sddm + xscreensaver.], And supports multiple user login.
[23:07] <guiverc> I don't have an opinion, I suspect most (if not all users) would use only single signin at a time  (but I bet there could be a few that could scream/MISS that if removed; as a few likely do use it - if it's a hassle I don't mind it's removal)  . my 2c
 @The_LoudSpeaker [For fixing we need to find someone like us who uses sddm + xscreensaver.], im on it too
 @guiverc [<guiverc> I don't have an opinion, I suspect most (if not all users) would use o …], well said
 I m not sure but vaguely remember seeing xscreensaver on oracle linux but it uses lightdm. :/
[23:10] <wxl> could always ask jwz
 For now, I will push the changes that change the look of the dialogue box. Not the touching the button. wxl: I can put it in a common app-defaults file which already has it's own few lines in it or create a separate one. Gotta dig on where to place the separate one tho.
 Who's jwz?
[23:12] <wxl> creator of xscreensaver
 Ah!
 @The_LoudSpeaker [For fixing we need to find someone like us who uses sddm + xscreensaver.], I doubt you will find that combination in use but I could be wrong.
 I also have to talk to him about changing the logo and building it from source. Will try to contact.
 @kc2bez [I doubt you will find that combination in use but I could be wrong.], Xfce?
 You may be able to ask in #sddm
 @kc2bez [You may be able to ask in #sddm], Noted.
[23:14] <wxl> he WON'T change the logo
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Xfce?], xfce has their own thing.
 K.
 But I meant not Xubuntu. Something like linux lite or voyager linux xfce.
 Heck! I deleted the latter's iso just 1/2 hr ago.
[23:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: I know he won't but we can try asking again. maybe he changes his mind?
[23:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> if we provide something else that gives the credit on lockscreen ;)
[23:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> maybe
[23:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> I asked in #sddm is there anyone I can tag there?
[23:23] <wxl> https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html
[23:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> that bug example tho!
[23:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> that page really explains some things nicely
[23:29] <wxl> he does a pretty good job of such things
[23:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> the example of sun at the end is also good.
[23:31] <The_LoudSpeaker> It's not going to be easy to persuade him to change the logo.
[23:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> "Previalge Escalation" nice way to name a bug.
[23:32] <wxl> https://github.com/porridge/xscreensaver/blob/dcba9296ceea5d5ffa80adb86a174c845e823c2c/utils/logo.c#L15-L19
[23:33] <wxl> you are NOT going to have any luck there
[23:33] <wxl> you could hack the code to make it work, but you run a security risk
 Well. I can create a image with exact same name and size and just put it in there. But agreed that image is it's identity. Don't want to take that away from it.
 By size I meant dimensions.
[23:38] <wxl> but you're not understanding.. this is not an image that is loaded at runtime
 Can even try to tune it to size in bytes but I guess that's very very impossible/hard.
[23:38] <wxl> it's loaded when you're compiling
[23:38] <wxl> so you'd need to make a whole separate packaging of xscreensaver
 @wxl [<wxl> so you'd need to make a whole separate packaging of xscreensaver], Yeah i know.
[23:38] <wxl> just don't
 It won't be a patch anymore. It will be a whole different fork.
 @wxl [<wxl> just don't], Okay.
[23:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D58
[23:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Added default theme for Xscreensaver.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D58
[23:47] <wxl> you know we have a bot, right? XD
[23:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> For T21 and T119
[23:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> yup! we do but my terminal gave me this link so just pasting it here :)
[23:57] <The_LoudSpeaker> what about version string?
[23:57] <The_LoudSpeaker> 20.04.1
[23:57] <The_LoudSpeaker> like it was 19.10.1
[23:57] <genii> 20.04.1 looks... wrong
[23:58] <wxl> last line
[23:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> i scrolled down the changelog. it was 19.10.1
[23:58] <kc2bez> The_LoudSpeaker: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-versions/
[23:59] <The_LoudSpeaker> ah! in main file you mean.
[23:59] <The_LoudSpeaker> right
[23:59] <wxl> yep
[23:59] <The_LoudSpeaker> so 20.04.1 is good ?
[23:59] <wxl> for the package
[23:59] <wxl> for the file, 20.04