[00:00] shouldn't we just keep it lubuntu there? [00:00] It's going to be there for next relases also [00:00] *releases [00:00] "Lubuntu" I mean [00:00] we can change it each version or not [00:01] why keep that work of changing? if we are not changing it then what's the use? one can see from changelog that it was infact introduced in 20.04. [00:02] for the same reason we discussed having version-specific wallpapers or version-specific plymouth splashes [00:02] ah! [00:02] keeping it then [00:04] updated === guiverc2 is now known as guiverc [04:22] Sorry. I entered late in this screensaver talk. My question is. Why an screensaver? Purpose? Lock the screen? There are lighter tools: … - i3lock … - i3lock-fancy … - slock (suckless, it's damn small) [04:35] @glpzzz those are good options but less secure. [04:36] @The_LoudSpeaker [@glpzzz those are good options but less secure.], Can you explain me more on this? [04:37] https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html [04:38] This kinda nicely explains why xscreensaver is most secure one. [04:38] Thanks! [04:40] Also, I just checked i3lock-fancy on github. It has it's share of issues there. Monitor one, blur issues, etc. [04:41] Xscreensaver is far more better and with flurry - water as preset + dialogue box that wxl designed, it just looks awesome. [04:42] We just need to fix that new login button, it currently doesn't take you anywhere. It should take us to a page which allows to log into another user. [04:44] @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, I just checked i3lock-fancy on github. It has it's share of issues there. …], This is a fancy fork on the first. But the last from suckless.org people, is so simple that is hard to have a bug on it. [04:44] @The_LoudSpeaker [Xscreensaver is far more better and with flurry - water as preset + dialogue box …], I have not seen this yet [04:45] Checkout phab.lubuntu.me/D58 [04:46] Also, yup! Now reading on the last screensaver you mentioned. [04:47] @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, yup! Now reading on the last screensaver you mentioned.], And this is a crazy paranoid fork on the last one https://github.com/chjj/slock … I personally use the original: https://tools.suckless.org/slock/ [04:49] Yup! That one is for too much paranoid users. I would like to have access to tty even on lock screen. [04:49] @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, yup! Now reading on the last screensaver you mentioned.], Bad thing. It just displays a color on input and another on error. No images [04:55] Also, from what I see, it runs as a part of X server that's why it has that protection of shutting down if someone tries to kill X. But xscreensaver runs separate from X server. [04:56] Now shutting down was a good choice. But what if the user has automatic login enabled? On next boot, this is exploitable [04:56] @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, from what I see, it runs as a part of X server that's why it has that prot …], Interesting. [04:56] @The_LoudSpeaker [Now shutting down was a good choice. But what if the user has automatic login en …], And how does others protect from this. I think is not a part of locker responsability [04:57] @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, from what I see, it runs as a part of X server that's why it has that prot …], Also, it has that protection for X server, or X11 but what if the op has Wayland? [04:58] @glpzzz [And how does others protect from this. I think is not a part of locker responsab …], Yup! Even in xscreensaver you can't save if system shuts down on lock screen. And user has auto login enabled. But atleast it doesn't purposefully shut down the system. [04:58] @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, it has that protection for X server, or X11 but what if the op has Wayland …], 👍👍 … They don't consider wayland as some other things. Have you read their philosophy? [04:58] @glpzzz [👍👍 … They don't consider wayland as some other things. Have you read their philo …], Umm no I haven't. Enlighten me. [04:59] @The_LoudSpeaker [Yup! Even in xscreensaver you can't save if system shuts down on lock screen. An …], Well. That's the paranoid fork 😂😂😂 [04:59] @The_LoudSpeaker [Umm no I haven't. Enlighten me.], https://suckless.org/ [04:59] @glpzzz [Well. That's the paranoid fork 😂😂😂], A bit too much paranoid I should say. [05:01] @The_LoudSpeaker [Umm no I haven't. Enlighten me.], I love some of their software, but they are kind of radical 😂 … I'm currently using dwm (wm), st (terminal emulator), slock (locker), surf (web browser for certain things), dmenu (launcher and more) [05:01] Noice. [05:01] @The_LoudSpeaker [A bit too much paranoid I should say.], He tells in the title. You cant blame him later [05:01] @The_LoudSpeaker [Noice.], ? [05:01] @glpzzz [?], I mean nice. [05:02] @glpzzz [He tells in the title. You cant blame him later], Yeah yeah not blaming him. Blaming the paranoid users who use that. His target audience. [05:02] @The_LoudSpeaker [I mean nice.], Ha, sometimes I get lost with English [05:02] @The_LoudSpeaker [Yeah yeah not blaming him. Blaming the paranoid users who use that. His target a …], Yep. I think is more a joke. [05:03] @glpzzz [Ha, sometimes I get lost with English], I actually picked it from TV show named "Brooklyn 99" [05:03] @The_LoudSpeaker [I actually picked it from TV show named "Brooklyn 99"], 👍👍 [05:20] So pro just messaged me, about this: … https://github.com/google/xsecurelock [05:20] from the readme page, looks kinda a fork of xscreensaver with various libraries. [05:20] xscreensaver is actually one of the requirements. [05:21] gotta read its cpp manual now. [05:22] but do we want this? I see a big warning in its name: "Google" [05:23] @The_LoudSpeaker [but do we want this? I see a big warning in its name: "Google"], Agree!!!! [05:27] looks like its used by arch users mostly. [05:28] pro is the one who actually introduced me to arch and its capablities. [05:28] pro= A senior named "Nischay Pro" [05:28] he's earned that title _/\_ [05:31] A big con in it, have to call it manually to lock screen. sometimes auto locking after a set timeout fails. [05:38] Interesting. I have been tempted to try arch but I'm very comfortable with Ubuntu. Just trying to make it slimmer [05:39] I would be on arch if it wasn't for the ease of setting up dev env on debian base. [05:41] @The_LoudSpeaker [A big con in it, have to call it manually to lock screen. sometimes auto locking …], workaround is to set it up with systemd lock. too much wok. I am just gonna dig through sddm's source code for the switch user command/utility. easier. [05:42] @The_LoudSpeaker [I would be on arch if it wasn't for the ease of setting up dev env on debian bas …], Yep. I have an already prepared sudo apt install ..... For the next fresh install [05:43] @glpzzz [Yep. I have prepared a file with my sudo apt install ..... For the next fresh in …], @teward001 is working on a script that eases setting up the dev env according to our packaging guide. [05:44] I need to create a script for my usage tho. need synapse and plank and sublime and some other small tweaks in every distro that I use. can't survive without them. [05:44] @The_LoudSpeaker [@teward001 is working on a script that eases setting up the dev env according to …], Nice! Good to know. In lxqt wiki, to build on Debian, there are 2 missing dependencies. At least for 19.04 [05:45] https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-guide/ [05:45] ^ this doesn't give me any missing dependancy errors on any version of ubuntu or flavours since 18.04 [05:46] not tried in debian tho. [05:47] missing dependencies remind me, @UniversalSuperBox please fix unity8 [05:47] XD [05:47] @The_LoudSpeaker [https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-guide/], * https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-requirements/ [05:47] oops! I sent wrong link earlier [07:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbb983f849aa7: Reword constants tab describtion] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbb983f849aa7 [07:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7f7c834df938: Add summary of General tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7f7c834df938 [14:00] fcjgxghdhhxvfvhc was added by: fcjgxghdhhxvfvhc [15:16] wxl: ping, I want to kick around an idea when you're around [15:16] Doesn't have to be just me and you but you're the only one currently on the team who has been in my position at one point :) [16:25] I have 2 questions - … I have Lubuntu 18.04 iso with lxde, would 19.10 with Lxqt be better for developing it? … My display has a resolution such that normal dpi is quite small and hidpi is huge.Would it be possible by any tweak to set a custom dpi/fontdpi? [16:28] @Rutvikm [I have 2 questions - … I have Lubuntu 18.04 iso with lxde, would 19.10 with Lxqt b …], The second question's motive is that if the answer is yes, I can use Lubuntu as a proper distro and simultaneously contribute [16:29] If not then I'd have to use it only for contribution purposes along with some other daily driver distro [16:42] @Rutvikm I don't have an answer for the display in 1, try live and, for developing is better lxqt because you will have the latest libraries. for 2, I do that, and you could use containers and virtual machines if don't want to mix environment [16:42] myself have machine with 19.10 and container or virtual machine with 20.04 [16:43] @HMollerCl [@Rutvikm I don't have an answer for the display in 1, try live and, for developi …], 👍🏻👍🏻 [16:43] @HMollerCl [myself have machine with 19.10 and container or virtual machine with 20.04], Oh [16:50] We aren't focusing on 18.04 anymore [16:51] It's reached a stage where only critical/high prio bugs are fixed [16:51] If you want to contribute, install the development release, otherwise try 19.10 [16:53] @tsimonq2 [If you want to contribute, install the development release, otherwise try 19.10], Ok [16:54] I have no Linux development experience untill now, and am a beginner in programming, but this group makes me think that I should contribute.. Probably next year😁 [16:55] @Rutvikm [I have no Linux development experience untill now, and am a beginner in programm …], You should contribute now :) [16:55] We'll be happy to teach you what you need to know [17:06] @tsimonq2 [You should contribute now :)], I'd work on wxl's yesterday's suggestion and would try as I get time👍🏻 [17:07] @tsimonq2 [We'll be happy to teach you what you need to know], Noice [17:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rART5c0b9859f384: Replace wall.png with a symbolic link to the default wallpaper.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rART5c0b9859f384 [17:43] replace Simon with a symbolic link. Um, I mean, what? :) [17:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T123: 20.04 Artwork] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T123#2685 [17:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T123: 20.04 Artwork] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T123#2687 [17:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T123: 20.04 Artwork] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T123#2689 [17:56] @HMollerCl: Regarding your comment to T123, do you think it's worth it to investigate having the manual as a menu icon or a desktop icon? [17:57] So, below "About LXQt" [17:57] That would be a nice task for a developer. I could certainly see the use for distro-customizable menu entries. [17:57] As with the SDDM thing, I can do it, but I'd prefer to have some fresh blood on it. :) [17:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMETA67ce1db326b3: add lubuntu-update-notifier to seed, add dch -r to update script] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMETA67ce1db326b3 [18:01] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/20.04.1 :) [18:02] Off I go for now. [18:02] Keep up the great work everyone. [18:05] @tsimonq2 [ @HMollerCl: Regarding your comment to T123, do you think it's worth i …], maybe an "about lubuntu" menu icon next to "about lxqt"? [18:06] an "about lubuntu" entry in the menu would be easy to do as an entry project, most can be done with qt designer. [18:11] @HMollerCl [an "about lubuntu" entry in the menu would be easy to do as an entry project, mo …], 😂 [18:35] @HMollerCl [an "about lubuntu" entry in the menu would be easy to do as an entry project, mo …], we could add a tab with lshw maybe. [18:36] (since we don't have hwinfo) [19:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T17: Write a Welcome Center] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T17#2690 [19:43] I don't know about the New login button is it completely broken? [19:51] Is the button fixable? [19:52] Not sure what you mean [19:56] need steps to reproduce :P [20:00] +1 on the lshw for about lubuntu [20:14] Gopal K was added by: Gopal K [20:16] There are some lxqt apps (I don't know if this is right here) that are not consistent in the baout dialog also. Instead of the pretty one, is the simple with the original author only [20:16] And OLD date [20:45] Wait, is standup in 15 minutes? [20:45] Hmm. [20:46] lets reschedule it for tomorrow... *yawns* [20:46] :P [20:46] :P [20:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9a8ff90e56c7: Add summary of first tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9a8ff90e56c7 [20:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2691 [20:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL645cccb4f62f: Summarize Interface tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL645cccb4f62f [21:00] Ignore me if I got DST wrong. [21:00] !standup [21:00] standup is @tsimonq2 @lynorian @HMollerCl @aptghetto @teward001 @SamuelBanya @kc2bez @The_LoudSpeaker wxl[m] guiverc it's 2100 UTC Thursday which means it's time for the Lubuntu Development standup meeting. Please announce yourself for roll call! Afterwards, in order of announcement, post your items and be sure to mention when you're done. [21:01] It's either now or in two hours, I can't tell. XD [21:01] you need a time converter :P [21:01] Ah, so it is now. [21:01] o/ [21:01] yes it is now oops forgot my time changed [21:01] https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20191107T210000&p1=179&p2=137&p3=1440 [21:02] use accordingly :P [21:02] o/ [21:03] * HMollerCl Commuting trying to find a bike [21:04] Anyone else? [21:05] \o [21:07] describe all icons … add missing obscure Qlipper prefrences for synchronization … start first tab summary of prefrences as many of these were missing [21:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5913bf545ef2: Add behavior tab summary] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5913bf545ef2 [21:26] My turn? [21:26] Go for it. [21:26] here it is. [21:27] * Tasks [21:27] https://phab.lubuntu.me/T119 [21:27] Set Added default theme for xscreensaver. [21:27] https://phab.lubuntu.me/D58 [21:27] https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21 [21:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Dialogue for Lock screen: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T119 [21:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Added default theme for Xscreensaver.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D58 [21:27] https://phab.lubuntu.me/D59 [21:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Added xscreensaver-gl and xscreensaver-gl-extra: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D59 [21:27] Modified dialoguebox to match the theme. [21:27] * Misc [21:27] Uploading the Ubuntu Talk photos to drive now. [21:27] ToDo: [21:27] Grub theme SRU [21:27] done. [21:29] Nice! Thanks. [21:31] I'm currently trying to wrap my head around how KPMCore implements ZFS and how I can take an LVM-type approach to implementing it. [21:31] No guarantees on anything. [21:31] However, if I'm successful, we'll have improved ZFS support, which means support in Calamares. [21:31] whats kpmcore? [21:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9357d9d58191: Add Ark general tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9357d9d58191 [21:31] noice. zfs seems a good option we should have it. [21:31] The_LoudSpeaker: KPMCore is the library which handles the partitioning backend for both Calamares and KDE Partition Manager. [21:32] I agree. [21:32] k. noted. [21:32] I have had not so good experience with kde partition manager tho. [21:33] 200+ gigs lost in a blink of an eye. [21:33] Aww, jeez. [21:33] When was this? [21:33] ouch [21:34] I have had that when trying to install ghost bsd which was a dumb idea [21:34] I'm back [21:34] some 2-3 months back. using kubuntu / kde partition manager to move a partition to create space to install kubuntu. [21:35] @HMollerCl: Go for it. [21:35] The_LoudSpeaker: Which version? [21:35] After that I just went ahead with lubuntu 18.04 install. kubuntu 18.04 was that. [21:35] ok, so I did https://phab.lubuntu.me/D57 [21:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] add lubuntu-update-notifier to seed, add dch -r to update script: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D57 [21:35] which was adding lubuntu-update-notifier to seed and updated the meta script [21:36] As of one hour ago, users have that. :) [21:36] and if it was my system I would have backup. it was my friend's. Lost some good photos from the mountains. ;_; [21:36] o, sorry @The_LoudSpeaker I thought you had finished [21:36] Lite. actually I am the one who disturbed you. sorry! [21:37] pleaas econtinue @HMollerCl [21:37] * please [21:37] ok [21:38] I did the initial commit to repo https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/redshift-qt/ with the new release including my fixes. Not sure how to continue with it [21:39] Don't know if it's compiling or not. [21:39] that's on my end [21:39] harbourmaster doesn't tell if its compiling? [21:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4c675a213a88: Rewoerd tab description for Featherpad] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4c675a213a88 [21:40] * guiverc apologizes for missing standup [21:40] @The_LoudSpeaker [ harbourmaster doesn't tell if its compiling?], don't know where to see it [21:41] Actually I shows up in Diffs if its building or not. [21:41] Maybe try a commit with arc patch and check build status on the link whic arc build gives you? [21:42] simillar to this: https://phab.lubuntu.me/B134 [21:43] ^^ *a commit with arc diff [21:44] I think some configuration of the repo needs to be done [21:45] Also we have redshiift as a upstream project and not native? I see only debian folder up there on phab. [21:45] @HMollerCl: What do you mean? [21:45] building would depend on ci config, no? [21:45] The_LoudSpeaker: Yes. [21:45] ^ [21:45] also, @HMollerCl, if you need a bike, i know a guy [21:45] XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD [21:45] XD [21:46] @wxl [ also, @HMollerCl, if you need a bike, i know a guy], jejeje [21:46] sharing bikes [21:46] @wxl [ also, @HMollerCl, if you need a bike, i know a guy], oO [21:46] xDD [21:46] @HMollerCl I meant its not native like lubuntu-default-settings ? [21:46] The_LoudSpeaker: Nope. [21:46] If you need a bike, I can lend you my bolt cutters [21:46] why? @tsimonq2 [21:46] @The_LoudSpeaker [ @HMollerCl I meant its not native like lubuntu-default-setting …], yes, the code comes from github [21:46] (For those who don't know, wxl works at a bike company.) [21:46] The_LoudSpeaker: It has upstream releases elsewhere. [21:47] @HMollerCl from your github or original one? [21:47] wxl: like this https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2018/may/01/unexpected-beauty-china-bicycle-graveyards-share-bikes-in-pictures [21:47] @The_LoudSpeaker [ @HMollerCl from your github or original one?], original one [21:48] oh! I thought it was from yours. So you forked it, made changes, then PR and then phab repo. right? [21:49] yes [21:49] so, wxl @tsimonq2 how can I put it into CI? [21:49] @HMollerCl: Is the package ready for me to go through it? [21:49] yes [21:50] I'll do that, and we can go from there. [21:50] all i did was activate the repo so he could push to it [21:50] please, lintian +pedantic [21:50] I mean, I build it here with those flags [21:50] worked ok [21:50] wxl: How many pitchforks do I receive as punishment for trying to compare LVM to ZFS? [21:51] As in, how off would I be to make the comparison that LVM PVs are to LVM VGs as ZFS pools are to ZFS datasets? [21:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2692 [21:51] @HMollerCl: On it. [21:51] @tsimonq2: to be fair i don't know lvm as well as zfs so can't say [21:52] wxl: I'm the other way around. Fun. [21:52] wxl: How's your C++? [21:52] @tsimonq2: BUT i do love me some zfs so if you want to get it worked, i'm going to be chuffed! [21:52] Oh geez, Time is too difficult. I guess I am an hour off. [21:52] @tsimonq2 lintian says somehing about an ITP code, that's different from a launchpad bug? [21:52] * kc2bez hangs head [21:53] @tsimonq2: not great. i don't think i could write something *good* from scratch. i could probably maintain existant code. can certainly read through it if it's not too clever [21:53] wxl: I'm currently banging my head against the wall reading this KPMCore code. I figured out what they do for LVM, but it's going to be, heh, uncharted territory for me, to say the least. [21:53] kc2bez, guiverc: Go for it. [21:53] @HMollerCl Intent To Package.. remember what i linked you from debian? [21:53] aaa, ok [21:54] $ uscan --download-current-version [21:54] uscan: warning: debian/changelog(l1): version 'unknown' is invalid: version number does not start with digit [21:54] LINE: PACKAGE (unknown) eoan; urgency=medium [21:54] Cool. [21:54] uscan warn: Couldn't chdir PACKAGE, skipping: No such file or directory [21:54] That's your first thing. ;) [21:54] oops XD [21:54] Not too much really [21:54] plugging away on the keyboard layout switch issue and still messing with Lubuntu on a pi3 [21:55] @tsimonq2 [ That's your first thing. ;)], pff, ok, sorry [21:55] yeah that's weird. i didn't even notice that [21:55] I'll assume you're trying to package 0.5. [21:55] 0.5-1 [21:55] I'll fix it locally so I can continue. [21:56] Okay. [21:56] also s/eoan/focal/ [21:56] Well, if we're uploading this to Debian (which we should if it isn't there!), then that's correct. [21:56] Otherwise, 0.5-0ubuntu1 [21:56] it should be debian, no? [21:56] Yeah, I agree. [21:56] wxl: Wanna check if there's already an ITP? [21:56] 1s [21:57] /usr/bin/fakeroot: 175: debian/rules: Permission denied [21:57] 2s, 2p, 3s. 3p... [21:57] XD [21:57] chmod +x debian/rules is all that's needed there. [21:57] sorry! [21:58] What's up with the patch name? :) [21:58] no redshift nothing [21:58] Cool. [21:58] wxl, @HMollerCl: Who wants to file an ITP? [21:59] wxl: And where's your ITS for that one package? XD [21:59]