[00:25] PR snapcraft#2795 opened: manifest: track and annotate `primed-stage-packages` [01:49] hm core refreshed and now google-play-music-desktop-player broke? [06:35] morning [06:38] Hey mborzecki [06:38] Please read the review I got from Jamie [06:39] We need to discuss this [06:39] zyga: hey hey, i've landed the fix for master yesterday, so please update your PRs if needed [06:39] Perhaps at 8:30? [06:39] mborzecki: will do [06:39] zyga: yeah, 830 sounds fine [06:47] zyga: duh, epel8 build failed on s390x :/ [06:50] mborzecki: order one to debug at home ;D [06:50] haha [06:51] mborzecki: I rebased and pushed on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7726 [06:51] PR #7726: RFC: change how snapd tracks processes [06:51] the other two can wait, we need to discuss them first [06:52] mborzecki: I also enabled f31 locally and confirmed 7726 *passes* there [06:53] zyga: nothing we can fix though https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/4109/38804109/root.log Eighth_Doctor probably knows if this is being addressed [06:54] yeah, let's ignore that [07:06] brb [07:18] hmm mvo isn't around yet [07:19] * zyga adds test for https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7724 [07:20] PR #7724: cmd/snap-confine: tracking processes with classic confinement [07:20] mborzecki: I have a swap day for Friday [07:20] mborzecki: I'll get a swap day for Monday at the sprint [07:20] mborzecki: and two days for travel [07:20] mborzecki: but I have a feeling I wont ever take them :/ [07:20] that's nearly a swap week now [07:20] unlimited company vacation? :) [07:21] zyga: btw. with your tweek from yday, it looks like you're prepping up fro the 4-day working week, tryign to squeeze 5 days worth of work into 4 days :P [07:21] and the productivity is up :) [07:22] :D [07:22] I wish I had 4 day week [07:22] or that 5 hour workday [07:22] I feel tired lately [07:31] mvo: morning [07:31] hey mvo [07:32] hey mborzecki and zyga [07:32] mvo: it's been a long evening [07:32] mvo: pinged you in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7721 could use your input there [07:32] PR #7721: gadget: add support for hybrid partitioning schemas <⛔ Blocked> [07:32] https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7722 :) [07:32] PR #7722: cmd/snap-confine: add sc_join_sub_group [07:32] mborzecki: thanks, I have a look [07:42] PR snapd#7652 closed: o/ifacestate,interfaces,interfaces/policy: slots-per-plug: * [07:46] * zyga -> breakfast [07:54] * zyga pushed a patch to https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7724 and now _really_ does breakfast [07:54] PR #7724: cmd/snap-confine: tracking processes with classic confinement === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski [08:07] mornings [08:08] pstolowski: hey [08:50] * zyga breaks to rest for a while [09:06] * dot-tobias hey all [09:08] hey dot-tobias :) [09:10] hi, I'm getting an error when running snap commands (and in the snap service as well) about meta/snap.yaml not being found. but the file is obviously there [09:14] this is from a "snap try" [09:16] ackk: is it visible from the preserved mount namespace? [09:16] ackk: to find out: sudo nsenter -m/run/snapd/ns/maas.mnt [09:16] ackk: stat /snap/maas/current/meta/snap.yaml [09:18] zyga, it's not maas this time :) [09:18] ackk: /o\ :D [09:18] zyga, stat fails [09:18] zyga, (it's canonical-rbac) [09:18] now you can explore what is there [09:19] zyga, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V9mn5GZztg/ [09:20] check what is mounted there [09:20] zyga, from within the ns or outside? [09:21] zyga, from outside I see nsfs on /run/snapd/ns/canonical-rbac.mnt type nsfs (rw) [09:22] ackk: inside, where it is broken please [09:22] mvo: core 2.42.1 has been in candidate since Monday, will it get promoted to stable this week or did someone discover issues? Asking for an anxious stakeholder 😊 [09:23] zyga, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FG4g8mBRNX/ [09:24] PR snapd#7727 opened: tests: improve TestDoPrereqRetryWhenBaseInFlight to fix occasional flakiness [09:25] ackk: and on the host? [09:25] zyga, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6GqMpSKWVt/ [09:25] zyga, note, this is in a bionic container [09:25] (on disco as host) [09:26] right [09:26] ideally compare what is mounted where you see the snap.yaml [09:26] and what is mounted where you don't [09:29] zyga, so the /snap directory inside is empty apart from those 2 files, which seems broken? [09:35] dot-tobias: it was planned to go to stable yesterday, I need to check what happend, worst case is that it gets promoted this monday [09:45] mborzecki: so [09:46] mborzecki, mvo: that branch can be scrapped [09:46] but we can do something else still that's supported by systemd [09:46] ogra: https://snapcraft.io/beebeep - you gonna update that? looks like a new release in edge? [09:46] but snap-confine will depend on dbus [09:46] and will require to use dbus to talk to systemd to run anything that is not a service [09:46] and will need to know if something is a service or not [09:46] that's the status quo [09:47] zyga: hm reading #fedora-devel now [09:47] zyga: ehh, so dbus and scope then? [09:47] yes [09:47] no other way [09:47] damn, that sucks [09:48] I'm trying to pull some documentation that's better than just reading the source [09:48] zyga: so if i'm reading this right, fire up transient scope, wait for it, then move the process to that scope right? [09:48] yes [09:48] StartTransientUnit and AttachProcessesToUnit [09:49] and it should be a scope, not a slice, for the reasons I gave on #fedora-devel [09:49] hm not exactly something we can simulate as separate steps in systemd-run [09:49] mborzecki: wanna jump into this? :) [09:50] zyga: fixing up the f31 pr, but let's sync afterwards maybe? [09:50] sure [09:50] I was supposed to rest anyway [09:50] ogra: in fact there's an even newer upstream release. 5.8.2 - you should setup automatic builds :D [09:50] zyga: btw. one scope per user right? [09:51] if only there was a service for automated snap builds [09:51] PR pc-amd64-gadget#23 opened: Add missing partitions and improve grub.cfg-recovery [09:51] mborzecki: I don't know yet [09:51] mborzecki: I think ... not [09:51] mborzecki: I thik it's just one scope if I'm right [09:51] but let me write a prototype first [09:51] zyga: https://gist.github.com/bboozzoo/76b1535c93686a27bb7fdbaad0f560f7#user-process some notes from before [09:52] zyga: there's even a note about separate scope for snaps [10:07] mvo: Thanks for the update! (re Core update release) [10:53] mvo: btw i've been puzzling over this 'have two grub.cfg' and i'm not sure i understand it [10:53] doh, "{\"error_list\":[{\"code\":null,\"message\":\"Nonce is missing or [10:54] pstolowski: where was that? [10:54] Chipaca: https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/608640768/log.txt [10:54] Chipaca: google:fedora-30-64:tests/main/selinux-lxd [10:55] pstolowski: log seems truncated [10:55] anyway, i guess we need to retry those :-/ [10:55] Chipaca: ah i restarted the job assuming .txt would be kept [10:56] no worries [11:01] popey, yeah, will update it... i asked upstream about taking it over but he didnt reply (we actually had an active conversation that somehow died from his side) [11:02] Chipaca: in a meeting right now [11:02] Chipaca: but happy to talk to talk after [11:02] ogra: cool. i wanted to pimp it on the snapcraft social account [11:02] but don't want to do that if it's not up to date [11:02] great, i'll test the edge version today and will promote it if it works [11:03] popey: ogra: maybe pimping it is the push needed for them to take it on? [11:03] yeah, perhaps [11:03] well, once we pimp it, the numbers will rise [11:03] it already has quite a few installs, but I think we can probably double it [11:03] the numbers are pretty high already ... i think its my most downloaded snap atm [11:03] I had never heard of it before today [11:04] did you know you can tell if it's your most downloaded by going to https://snapcraft.io/snaps [11:04] (an it still has one prob ... it doesnt beep :P ... ) [11:04] it shows a graph at the top [11:04] yeah [11:04] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IQu0dsu0/Screenshot%20from%202019-11-07%2011-04-27.png [11:05] 90k ? [11:05] whats that ? [11:05] ogra: popey: maybe update the description so it doesn't say you need to unzip it? [11:05] yeah :) [11:05] one of yours [11:05] Chipaca, lol, thanks, will do [11:05] no, not mine. just one i have access to [11:06] I bet diddledan has a nice looking graph on his page :) [11:06] (that snap was actually the result of an ubuntu-users ML discussion... i only invested like 30min into it to prove how quick one can make a snap out of 3rd party SW) [11:06] (higher than any of mine) [11:06] nice [11:06] put another 30 mins in :) [11:06] nah, rather 1h or two [11:06] it never really got polished [11:06] is it a pulseaudio problem? [11:07] ok, I won't pimp it till you get audio and the theme looking a bit less.... Windows 95 [11:07] it uses some KDE audio lib [11:07] maybe use the kde frameworks snap [11:07] some outdated thing ... [11:07] to re-use their libs [11:07] oh, arts? [11:07] no, the thing after arts [11:07] something with q or p ... i forgot the name [11:08] phonon ! [11:08] ah yes [11:08] jdstrand: some news [11:08] jdstrand: bad news: we cannot do what I did in that PR [11:08] See, this is one thing I love about snaps, is preserving this old crap :) [11:08] haha [11:08] see also: mosaic [11:08] jdstrand: good news: we can ask systemd to do exactly that for us [11:09] jdstrand: bad news: it requires us to talk to systemd over dbus [11:09] jdstrand: good news: it really works [11:09] mosaic has nearly 300 installs. Lunatics :) [11:09] jdstrand: good news: it does not change the snapd sice of the task much, the only difference is that the location is a scope so it looks like snap.foo.bar.scope [11:10] jdstrand: bad news it's somewhat racy, we need to create a transient unit with the pid of the process we want to have [11:10] jdstrand: and if that fails we instead need to attach process to the scope [11:10] jdstrand: if that fails we need to retry creating the unit [11:11] popey, well, it is one of these things you install, try out once and forget [11:11] true [11:12] * popey schedules a tweet about mosaic for 7th January, when it will be 23 years old [11:12] i'm sure i have an idling mosaic install on one of my machines that i only tried once [11:13] * popey looks at Chipaca [11:13] * popey looks at the wikipedia page for netscape navigator [11:13] * popey looks back at Chipaca [11:14] popey: I know! [11:14] :D [11:14] popey: but the on-disk filesystem seems to be incompatible :-( [11:14] I need to give it a weekend [11:14] popey: something changed _on disk_ since the libc5 days [11:14] at least that's what the errors tell me [11:14] popey: HOWever, mosaic isn't the oldest software in the store :) [11:14] the birthday is 21s February, so you have until then :) [11:15] oh? [11:15] popey: mosaic is from 1993 [11:15] popey: simcity is from 1989 [11:15] is simcity in the store? [11:15] obvs [11:15] i didnt find it [11:16] popey: 'micropolis' [11:16] oh! [11:16] popey: simcity is (tm) ea [11:16] popey: micropolis is a build from the now-free-software simcity code [11:16] clever [11:16] * popey hugs diddledan [11:16] * popey gets that on the hype train [11:17] one of the nicest things about these old-as-hat things is that they're tiny :) [11:17] bah [11:17] $ beebeep [11:17] ln: failed to create symbolic link '/home/ogra/snap/beebeep/13/.config/gtk-2.0/gtkfilechooser.ini': File exists [11:18] /snap/beebeep/13/beebeep: error while loading shared libraries: libxcb.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 [11:18] so that requires some actual work it seems [11:19] ogra: the elves class war! sounds like a socialist dystopia d&d thing [11:20] man, spread suite on f31 is messy [11:20] it's like the stuff breaks in most akward ways [11:24] quick errand, back in 30 [11:40] * zyga lunch [11:41] Chipaca: back now, if you want we can have a quick HO (now or later) about the two grubs/uc20 etc [11:41] Chipaca: s/now/in 5min/ :) [11:42] mvo: digging into some bugs atm [11:42] mvo: didn't we land a fix to allow snapd in a model? [11:42] in fact this model here has snapd [11:47] crap .. the new beepeep will need core18 ... [11:48] ogra: everybody's on core18 these days [11:48] doh #2, x509: certificate signed by unknown authority (possibly because of "crypto/rsa: verification error" [11:49] pstolowski: _where_ are those coming from?! i got the too, a few days ago [11:49] Chipaca: https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/608640768/log.txt (not restarting it this time ;)) [11:49] Chipaca: seems that those debian-sid tests failed because of that [11:50] yeah [11:51] pstolowski: i've raised it with the store, but please let me know if you see it again (and in what distro) [11:52] it might be a broken CA wotsit on debian, for all i know [11:53] Chipaca: uhmm. going to restart it again [11:53] pstolowski: k [11:54] PR snapd#7470 closed: DRAFT: core20 snap install [11:56] cmatsuoka: 👋 [11:56] Chipaca: hello [11:56] Chipaca: yeah, snapd should work, I think we are at the point now where the next missing piece is the extraction of the kernel [11:56] cmatsuoka: do you know if, as well as the kernel, we need to have the initrd extracted for secure boot? [11:56] hey cmatsuoka ! good morning :) [11:57] mvo: hi. good morning. I just closed #7470 because all parts are handled elsewhere, I hope you don't mind [11:57] PR #7470: DRAFT: core20 snap install [11:57] Chipaca: my understanding is ( cmatsuoka please correct me if I'm wrong) that the uc20 kernel will be a single file with an embedded initrmafs [11:57] ahhhh [11:58] cmatsuoka: yeah, thats great [11:58] i was just thinking / remembering the days of single-blob kernel+initramfs (on a floppy) [11:58] Chipaca: I'm not sure this is the case today though, I need to check [11:58] Chipaca: haha - it all comes back (what is a floppy btw?) [11:58] mvo: that thing that looks like a vending machine [11:59] Chipaca: lol [11:59] Chipaca, mvo: yes, I think the idea is still to have a single file [11:59] mvo: that was in reference to this, btw: https://mobile.twitter.com/fea0er/status/1160099135569063936 [12:00] Chipaca, cmatsuoka I just extracted the pc-kernel snap and it looks like at least today there is still an initramfs :/ [12:00] Chipaca, mvo: at that time I was probably rebuilding my kernels to avoid using initrds [12:01] cmatsuoka: dhcp in the kernel, but tinyX in the initrd [12:03] hm, let me try something :-) [12:06] mvo, Chipaca: I didn't check the latest kernel snap but a few weeks ago it was quite outdated, I had to inject newer versions to run those entropy and crash tests [12:12] cmatsuoka: thanks, thats good to know [12:18] zyga: I filed a bug report about it: https://pagure.io/releng/issue/8977 [12:19] ok, i'm going out for a bit [12:20] * zyga goes to implement the new thing [12:24] mvo: looks like having an embedded initramfs means recompiling the kernel every time you need to change the initramfs [12:24] it's not just appending one to t'other [12:24] Chipaca: uh, that will make testing very inconvenient [12:24] yes [12:25] maybe there's a workaround, none of this is too well documented [12:26] anyway, i really need to step out for a bit :) [12:26] * Chipaca goes, now [12:26] Eighth_Doctor: thanks! [12:27] re [12:28] Eighth_Doctor: so releng is the right place for problems like this? [12:28] usually, yes [12:29] it means something went wrong when the packages were imported from the Red Hat CDN into Koji [12:29] Eighth_Doctor: got it! [12:38] Chipaca: silly question, I thought the uefi grub has regexp build-in, I boot with -bios ...OVMF.fd but I dont't get regexp in my grub. did I misundersttood? [12:38] Chipaca: anyway, not urgent, need to get lunch first :) [12:39] hmm ... diddledan do you know anything about the alsa-libs part not working on build.s.io ? seems it stumbles over the ftp url [12:39] works fine locally [12:42] * pstolowski lunch [12:54] ok, here we go ... switching to http download helps :) [12:54] mborzecki: back? [12:54] zyga: yes [12:55] mborzecki: I added a hack and it works [12:55] mborzecki: using the dbus api now [12:55] I'll run a spread pass now [12:55] mborzecki: I need to check instances as I'm worried that _ is invalid in scopes [12:56] but that's fine, we can escape if needed [12:56] zyga: _ ? [12:56] yes [12:56] zyga: does systemd complain or just mishebaves? [12:56] mborzecki: I didn't try it yet [12:57] zyga: ah, ok, so it's written down somewhere, tha's fine then [12:57] yeah, whatever it is it's okay [12:57] I _think_ the situation is somewhat okay now [12:57] but [12:57] I need to check one last thing [12:57] is using delegate breaking services now [12:57] or not [12:57] given that we tell systemd what we did [12:57] (the suspense continues) [13:12] popey, the beebeep snap is updated and works so far (it even beeps now!!) but i have a hard time convincing my system to be english for an updated screenshot [13:12] popey, mind installing it from --edge and do a screenshot of the window ? [13:12] sho thang [13:12] gracias ! [13:12] does it use bonjour? [13:13] yeah ... [13:13] needs two machines if you actually want to chat ... and on first start it offers to create a username, pick different ones on different machines [13:13] jdstrand: around? [13:14] voice messages dont work (yet) btw [13:14] I once had a train using my phone as an insecure hotspot. Some rando connected to it, and I saw them show up via bonjour in pidgin. I pinged them and said "Yes, it is okay to use my hotspot" :D [13:14] mborzecki: I think the next step is to implement that in C [13:14] bonjour is awesome. [13:14] mborzecki: but apart from that... not terrible? [13:14] yep ... [13:15] too bad android doesnt support it at all :( [13:15] (all my core installs around the house use it (using the avahi snap) but my phone always needs the IP anyway ... [13:16] my first snap using "audio-playback" !! [13:17] * ogra knows jamie will like that [13:17] funnily pulse is still autoconnecting ... not sure why [13:21] ogra: sent you some via telegram [13:22] oh drat, I think jamie is off [13:22] oh well === ricab is now known as ricab|lunch [13:23] Chipaca: it's odd that one cannot install a classic snap on core with --jailmode [13:24] bah, since when do we have these silly minimal size restrictions for screenshots ! [13:24] use convert to scale it up :D [13:28] brb [13:30] cachio: hey, do we tweak the umask in fedora images for our spread tests? [13:34] popey, i used gimp to add a transparent frame :P [13:35] popey, anyway, website updated ... i'll promote it to stable now and we should be done [13:35] that looks much better! [13:35] thanks ogra <3 [13:35] will line up a social post [13:36] bah and now chromium is stuck :P [13:37] aaand ... promoted [13:42] ogra: Is there a way to build a Core image in which only *one* snap is not from latest/stable? E.g. I want all snaps from the normal stable channel, but one snap from other-track/stable. [13:43] required-snaps in the model assertion complains about invalid snap names if I use the notation that's allowed in build-snaps, i.e. `snap-name/track/channel` [13:43] dot-tobias: AFAIK no, known limitation [13:44] dot-tobias, not sure, i know there was a request to support that a while ago, but i dont know if anything was implemented yet [13:51] zyga: you were working on #1851480, yes? [13:51] Bug #1851480: Hooks are not included in slot/plug label expressions [13:51] Chipaca: no, dot-tobias is [13:52] orly [13:52] dot-tobias: should I set the bug to in progress? [13:53] Chipaca: Not really, haven't had the time to start yet. Will ping here once there's something, have to dig into Go + snapd inner workings first [13:54] dot-tobias: should I assign the bug to you? [13:54] Chipaca: if you set it to in progress then please assign it to someone (dot-tobias) [13:54] Chipaca: Yes please, unless there's someone idling around craving to fix this, I'll try to get to it until next week [13:55] dot-tobias: what's your lp nick? [13:55] dot-tobias: oh, btw, I'll be in US west coast timezone all of next week [13:56] dot-tobias: and typically busy [13:56] I'm always on IRC but if I'm not responding this is probably why [13:56] Chipaca: https://launchpad.net/~glancr → or you mean the display name? [13:56] zyga: Good to know, thanks for the heads-up 😊 [13:57] zyga, ogra: Thanks for the feedback re ubuntu-image, I could've had a quick look at the ubuntu-image bug tracker before stealing your time: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-image/+bug/1815580 → seems to me like --snap my-snap:channel is supported, though one needs to remember to juggle required-snaps in the assertion + --snap args for ubuntu-image [13:57] Bug #1815580: Support for snap prepare-image --snap==

[13:57] dot-tobias, yeah ... thats a workaround/hack to overcome the current limitation ;) [14:02] dot-tobias: just got clarification that core is actually promoted to stable, its just not at 100% rollout yet [14:03] mvo: Ah, great! Helps a lot, thank you for inquiring on my behalf. Much appreciated [14:06] mborzecki, no, we don't [14:07] roadmr, so i got this graph at the top of https://snapcraft.io/snaps ... any idea why my most used snap is not in the list/graph at all ? [14:08] (mjpeg-streamer has way more users than any other snap i own but is not listed at all in that overview ... on its own metrics page it is fine though) [14:10] cachio: pushed the last batch of fixes to #7702, the suite should be able to run succesfully on f31 now [14:10] PR #7702: tests: adding fedora 31 to google-unstable backend [14:10] dot-tobias: you're welcome [14:15] mborzecki, thanks a lot === ricab|lunch is now known as ricab [14:27] mvo: can we restrict refresh-app-awareness to 18.04+ [14:28] mvo: if so I think this can be done [14:28] OR can we backport systemd ;_) [14:28] zyga: sounds like a question for foundations [14:28] mvo: then I can rephrase my question as [14:28] Chipaca: how do you run qemu/kvm to get the uefi grub? or is there a way to know which one was run? [14:29] mvo: can I really require proper systemd version for this and not implement any hacks [14:29] mvo: then if so I will focus on that [14:29] mvo: and we can discuss backport as an option for foundations [14:29] mvo: but I personally would not cry if it was not on 16.04 [14:29] zyga: I think its a conversation - chances are not that great but its worth a shoot [14:29] zyga: maybe the relevant bits can simply be backported [14:29] mvo: the feature is coupled to systemd running as a user session manager [14:30] mvo: i go by the splash screen, but i think you can ask grub, but i'd need to get the efi-able box up to confirm (and i can't access it rn) [14:30]