[00:04] <wxl> @HMollerCl debian-watch-does-not-check-gpg-signature
[00:05] <wxl> @HMollerCl re: upstreaming they SHOULD be maintained upstream. EVERYONE that uses it should have a manpage and a desktop entry, not just debian/ubuntu users
 ok, I ask because it's already packaged for arch and getoo and at least in arch they add the .desktop
[00:08] <wxl> well that just shows how bad arch and gentoo are XD
 It's OK to put desktop in /data?
 And manpages are in /debian how are the used by other distros?
[00:16] <wxl> well again if they're both in the upstream source, then you don't have to figure out where to put them so much as wwhat to do with them
 So this isn't working
 https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support
 First it said that the system time was wrong … Now the connection is getting reset
 Is it ded?
 It is working for me.
 (Photo, 590x1280) https://i.imgur.com/0kNIWxD.jpg
 @kc2bez [It is working for me.], Is it a private group? Because telegram search isn't returning it. And in India, some Telegram links have stopped loading across the Web due to the partial ban on Telegram
 It shouldn't be private.
 @kc2bez [It shouldn't be private.], Yes
 @Rutvikm [Is it a private group? Because telegram search isn't returning it. And in India, …], And yes, This is the reason for the above error
 Well, the link may be broken in your location.
 Link's working on Singapore VPN
 @kc2bez [Well, the link may be broken in your location.], Yes, it is. But Telegram search shouldn't be blocking it
 I think the issue with having it searchable in Telegram itself is Spam. So it is unlisted but not private.
 @HMollerCl [wxl: like this https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2018/may/01/unexpected …], 😲
[06:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL052a940cf043: Add Lubuntu Update Notifier to spec.rst] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL052a940cf043
[08:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1250a9858a84: Update alternate to shortcut keys] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1250a9858a84
[11:43] <nOOb> Hi important News.
[11:43] <nOOb> Please support Pinebook 
[11:43] <nOOb> Manjro community just do this
[11:44] <nOOb> https://forum.manjaro.org/t/manjaro-arm-preview1-for-pinebook-pro/110473
[11:44] <nOOb> Please not abandon in new LTS version LXDE
[11:44] <nOOb> I begg you. I use Lubuntu from the beginning
[11:44] <nOOb> as my main desktop
[11:44] <nOOb> Please give as chose LXQT or LXDE
[11:45] <nOOb> Most of old Lubuntu users want to use LXDE
[11:45] <nOOb> LXDe have very less memory consuption works great on older PC
[11:45] <nOOb> We use Lubuntu booting from USB and hardware(laptops or PC) are just hardware donor
[11:46] <nOOb> LXQT has different aplication different layout..than LXDE
[11:47] <nOOb> Please not leave LXDE devoted users who use LTS version witch LXDE from many years
[11:48] <nOOb> Old users dont like LXQT..
[11:49] <nOOb> I will be forced to abandon Lubuntu if LXDE will not be still support and change to Linux Trisquel witch LXDE
[11:50] <nOOb> I dont want to do this..please...include lubuntu old user request in your developemt plans.
[11:51] <nOOb> I am devoted Lubuntu users..I have big expirience in Lubuntu use from many years and I strongly tell you that LXQT will be big mistake
[11:51] <nOOb> Please do not abandon LXDE in LTS version..PLEASE!
[11:52] <nOOb> Best regards!
[11:53] <nOOb> LXQT doesent have the same software and it is not the same intuitional and simple and low memory consuption like LXDE
[11:54] <nOOb> LXDE is neded for many of single board coputer..for many users who boot Lubuntu from USB and use Lubuntu as a main desktop but just each time boot it from usb..Hardware is onlu donor of harware..Main core is Lubuntu LXDE
[11:55] <nOOb> Please do not remember about this and about old Lubuntu users who like only LXDE and Lubuntu LXDe minimalistic stile
[11:55] <nOOb> Regards
 http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2019/11/setup-complete-qt-sdk-on-ubuntu-eoan-ermine.html
 @Rutvikm re: broken links don't use Jio. You get those kind of errors.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@Rutvikm re: broken links. Don't use Jio. You get those kind of errors.], Uhh Ohk
 I remember reading somewhere Jio was planning to ban telegram all together (ofourse by gov orders) unless we use VPN
 It'd be bad for them to lose all of Telegram users
 For non-Indians : Jio is an Indian Telecom Company(Like AT&T or Verizon)owned by Mukesh Ambani who is one of the world's richest men
 @Rutvikm [For non-Indians : Jio is an Indian Telecom Company(Like AT&T or Verizon)owned by …], The richest man reference intended to highlight the company's business nature which is capitalizing on freebies.. Which eventually led to it being second largest under 3 years. … Thus, they can easily pull of stunts like banning Telegram
 @Rutvikm [The richest man reference intended to highlight the company's business nature wh …], This freebie capitalizing and eventual service controlling model is extremely risky in any soceity
 Sorry for long posts, but had to say it somewhere being a FOSS fan😁
[16:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> ! off-topic
[16:46] <The_LoudSpeaker> And @Rutvikm, Jio is not capitalising on freebies. I did a thorough study of the industry few months back and you would be surprised to know the results. e.g: It doesn't make any difference to jio if other players even shutdown.
[21:14] <The_LoudSpeaker> ! info grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> ow! https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/xenial/grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate just gave me an internal server error
[21:16] <wxl> it happens. keeep refreshing
[21:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> yup! it loaded now
[21:19] <The_LoudSpeaker> mate also follows the same rSEED mechanism for getting default packages into mate?
[21:19] <wxl> uhhh i doubt they have the update script for meta but they have seeds just the same, that work the same
[21:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> Then I will go and ask them how did they solve the issue that we encountered  with the grub theme.
[22:08] <The_LoudSpeaker> oh! grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate doesn't have a postinstallation script which runs "update-grub"
[22:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> We could do that but have to confirm if grub will automatically recognise it at the time of 'grub-mkconfig' or 'grub-install' during installation.
[22:29] <wxl> huh
[22:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> Wimpress: Can you help us here? ^ 
[22:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: ?
[22:29] <wxl> that seems like a reasonable solution
[22:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> what removing the postinst file or asking Wimpress ?
[22:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> XD
[22:32] <wxl> removing it and letting install take care of it
[22:32] <wxl> of course i'm not sure how that affects the initial boot
[22:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> me too. don't know if the live cd/usb will bring it up.
[22:34] <The_LoudSpeaker> is there any place where I can emulate the iso formation from rSEED? and see how it turns out?
 The livecd doesn't show grub (and probably doesn't need to)
[22:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> live cd gives options of trying or installing na. Its grub only afaik
[22:35] <wxl> oh right duh
[22:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> :)
[23:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/screenshot-thread/221/18
[23:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> Maybe we can provide something simillar by default. There was a task na to improve sddm ?
[23:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> Or maybe I create one? XD
[23:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> Ah! autocorrect tells me ubuntu-studio also has its own grub theme
[23:07] <The_LoudSpeaker> !info grub2-themes-ubuntu-ubuntustudio
[23:07] <The_LoudSpeaker> ow!
[23:07] <The_LoudSpeaker> !info grub2-themes-ubuntu-ubuntustudio bionic
[23:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> I just noticed we have "Ubuntu" in GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR in /etc/default/grub. Shouldn't it be "lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Ubuntu"
[23:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> or lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Lubuntu
 @kc2bez [The livecd doesn't show grub (and probably doesn't need to)], Doesn‘t this depend on the boot mode?
 @aptghetto [Doesn‘t this depend on the boot mode?], I guess that is where I was going.
 EFI and bios are different.
 @The_LoudSpeaker> I just noticed we have "Ubuntu" in GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR in /etc/default/grub. Shouldn't it be "lsb_release -i -s 2 [<The_LoudSpeaker> I just noticed we have "Ubuntu" in GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR in /etc/de …], There is some work in progress by ade
[23:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> For EFI, I am sure its grub. @kc2bez
[23:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> @aptghetto noted. But shouldn't "lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Ubuntu" be fine as it places "Ubuntu" if 1st command goes wrong.
[23:27] <wxl> actually afaik EFI is grub— it's non-EFI that's not
 @The_LoudSpeaker> @aptghetto noted. But shouldn't "lsb_release -i -s 2 [<The_LoudSpeaker> @aptghetto noted. But shouldn't "lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/nul …], No, if lsb_release fails, it should display Debian. But the expected value is Ubuntu. … Lubuntu is not expected and would result in some „strange“ grub colours.
[23:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> doesn't the GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR value is the value of the entry that's created? The 1st option on grub screen?   How does debian makes sense there when its ubuntu?
[23:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> correct me if I am wrong
[23:38] <wxl> referring to what i said: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/view/head:/README.devel#L71
[23:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> Its compulsary that the option on grub screen has to be ubuntu and not lubuntu, right? I think I can make our lxqt hummingbird appear there. Earlier it was set to appear only on entry having name Lubuntu.
 When you test Ubuntu Mate, then you should check it. Debian is the fallback for lazy distributions.
[23:43] <The_LoudSpeaker> okay. It is also the fallback for elementary but All I am saying is it should be Ubuntu in case of flavors right? That makes more sense.
 Yes, the expected value is Ubuntu, because GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR is used in grub-install on EFI systems and in the grub.d scripts
[23:44] <The_LoudSpeaker> nice.
[23:46] <The_LoudSpeaker> so coming back, @tsimonq2 @wxl why is it not set to automatically take that from lsb_release -i -s 2.... and set Ubuntu manually? any particular reasons?
[23:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, https://phab.lubuntu.me/D60
[23:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Modified lubuntu-grub-theme: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D60
[23:47]  * wxl shrugs
[23:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> XD
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> so coming back, @tsimonq2 @wxl why is it not set to automatica …], Calamares can‘t handle command substitutions
[23:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> F
[23:48] <wxl> ahhhhhh
[23:48] <wxl> HEY NOW
[23:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> Then it makes sense
[23:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> Sorry
[23:49] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: if you are not busy, accept D59 ploxx
[23:50] <The_LoudSpeaker> That fixes 2 tasks for me as completed
[23:50] <The_LoudSpeaker> And I can go forward to separately add grub theme to rSEED
[23:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> or should I just add it and you will take care when accepting both? both make changes to rSEED