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Jagst3r15Hi friends00:08
Jagst3r15I am curious, how come when I install the Official Mozilla Snap from the Ubuntu Software store on Ubuntu 18.04.3, I can watch DRM content, but when I use the build that comes with Ubuntu I can't watch DRM content even AFTER enabling it in Firefox?00:09
OerHeksnot sure you need to logout/login after that firefox drm setting change..00:10
Jagst3r15hmm good idea00:10
Jagst3r15let me try that00:11
OerHeksand Step 2: Make sure that you have the required add-ons00:11
OerHekshttps://itsfoss.com/netflix-firefox-linux/00:11
Jagst3r15ok00:11
Jagst3r15its very strange it works on the Snap provided by Mozilla00:11
OerHeksno, that page says restart FF is enough00:11
Jagst3r15but it does not work on the one that Ubuntu comes with from Canonical00:11
Jagst3r15ok ill try00:11
OerHekscheck the contents of plugins in that snap vs apt install?00:12
Jagst3r15good idea00:12
Jagst3r15:)00:12
Jagst3r15or i can just use the official mozilla one and uninstall the canonical one haha00:14
yesudeepHi. Does anybody here have a Microsoft Arc Mouse that works smoothly with Ubuntu? My wireless mouse appears to stop scrolling after a few minutes (perhaps some kind of power saving feature that turns it off?)00:34
jjbuggleim on 18.04.  Any opinions on whether or not it is worth upgrading to latest?00:41
* eelstrebor sticks with LTS releases00:42
Bashing-omjjbuggle: New(er) hardware to support then yes - else no; 18.04 is LTS.00:42
sarnoldjjbuggle: that's up to you, what you want your machine to do -- if you just want it to work, 18.04 LTS is probably the choice; if you're more interested in trying new things, then maybe upgrading is worthwhile00:43
jjbugglewell, my bluetooth headphones don't work with zoom, which is a very narrow and unusual bug, so i started thinking about it00:46
sarnoldjjbuggle: have you fiddled with pavucontrol yet? that seems to solve most audio issues00:47
jjbugglesarnold: yeah.  It just won't let me switch the zoom audio stream to the headphones.  it just does nothing00:47
sarnolddantg00:48
Betalmaybe you can try on live usb if it works with new version00:48
Betalbut iam not sure if it load all modules on live00:48
BetalI would create a virtual machine, usb passthrough the device to it and check if it works on the vm00:49
jjbuggleoh, I see what you are saying, boot a live usb of the latest.  That's a good idea00:53
OerHeksi use the blueman ppa for these BT A2dp audio switch issue00:59
m5wHello.  How do I play a video on boot?  I tried making a crontab entry that plays the video with ffplay on @reboot, but it doesn't play.  If I pass ffplay the -nodisp argument, though, the sound does play, but I want to play a video.  I also tried setting DISPLAY=:0, but that didn't work either.01:08
OerHeksnot possible until the xserver is running.01:11
sarnoldm5w: hmm, cron doesn't feel like the right way there; if you set up auto login, you ought to be able to add something to your session to start playing there01:11
OerHeksand then you would have 3.8 seconds video :-D01:11
OerHeksand then login01:11
m5wOerHeks, yeah, I tried setting it up as a systemctl service first and having it require graphical.target, but it would always segfault01:16
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callipygousWhat is Ubuntu like for touchscreen `slate` computers?01:33
leonardusMy system wasn't booting so I added nomodeset to the boot options, and it was hanging at this screen for a few minutes, and now it's switching between this screen and "[hostname] login:" every few seconds. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mx4GlmF3/IMG_20191107_203504__01.jpg01:36
leonardusI can't even get into Ubuntu. I thought LTS was supposed to be stable.01:37
brachamIt is supposed to be stable. Did it not even boot once after install?01:41
sarnoldleonardus: do other virtual consoles work?01:42
leonardusIt did, then it just suddenly broke.01:42
leonardussarnold: No, it just keeps switching between those two screens.01:42
leonardusI can't seem to get out of it.01:43
GostLydid you select auto-login during the initial setup?01:43
leonardusNo01:43
* m5w sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ubfriFHSymBjiwxikmkFcWQB >01:47
sarnoldm5w: ah! neat01:49
leonardusAm I going to have to reinstall Ubuntu completely?01:50
sarnoldleonardus: probably not, but I don't know much about debugging video card issues01:57
Mr_Tib100Hello, I'm doing web dev on windows and recently switched to ubuntu. I noticed a headline font in ubuntu looks bold compared to windows. Is that expected?01:59
leonardusMr_Tib100: screenshot?02:00
Mr_Tib100let me fire up my VM and take one02:01
sarnoldMr_Tib100: excellent question; I wonder if any of those services to 'view your website on 200 browsers' still exist any more or not.. now that there's only five or six of any size..02:01
leonardusAlso, are you using the same browser (and version) on both OSs? And are they both using the same font?02:02
Mr_Tib100leonardus: Give me 5 more min to take the screenshot. I just installed a VM, LAMP and cloned a repo lol02:41
pragmaticenigmaMr_Tib100, Ubuntu installs free and open source fonts by default. Many websites, to differentiate themselves, purchase and use non-free or proprietary fonts. Many of those fonts require licenses to distribute with OS's, something Ubuntu doesn't include as it is offered for free. So when a font a website chooses is not available in Ubuntu, the web browser will choose a font that best approximates the desired font, based on02:44
pragmaticenigmainformation known. Typically starting with is the font a serif, sans-serif, monospace, or fantasy type font. It then substitutes a similar font for the one defined.02:44
Mr_Tib100leonardus, pragmaticenigma: here´s the screenshot. FF in WIN on the left and Mint on the right02:45
Mr_Tib100https://imgur.com/a/GmjQmFI02:45
leonarduslooks like left is using a "-light" variant of some font which is not installed on ubuntu.02:46
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leonarduson closer inspection, it looks like those are two entirely separate fonts.02:46
Mr_Tib100this is what I´m using02:47
Mr_Tib100https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.1/content/typography/#headings02:47
Mr_Tib100sorry, it is actually this one02:47
Mr_Tib100https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.1/content/typography/#display-headings02:47
pragmaticenigmaMr_Tib100, the Firefox screen shot on the right is using a basic sans-serif font. While the one on the left is using a non-free font02:47
Mr_Tib100Display headings02:47
leonardusit says right there: "Use a native font stack that selects the best font-family for each OS and device."02:47
leonardusthey're just two different fonts, simple as that02:47
leonardusif you'd like to force a particular font, that's an option (one that I disagree with, but regardless, an option to make the site look more uniform across platforms)02:48
leonardusthis is a question more suited for #web02:48
pragmaticenigmaAlso note Mr_Tib100 LinuxMint is not Ubuntu. Please try to keep your questions related to the Ubuntu OSs. While they may appear similar, they are significant design and implementation differences between the two that this channel is not meant to support.02:49
Mr_Tib100sorry about that02:51
Mr_Tib100thank you both for your answers though, you cleared up my questions02:52
FurretUberHi, will siliconmotion support be removed for 20.04?03:20
leftyfb!ubuntu+1 | FurretUber03:23
ubottuFurretUber: Focal Fossa is the codename for Ubuntu 20.04 - Support only in #ubuntu+103:23
flogWhen i run gnome-system-monitor i cant change to the resources or filesystem view. Any ideas?03:24
flogIf i launch it from thet terminal i get dconf-warning : failet to commit changes to dconf03:26
sarnoldflog: check dmesg; do you have a bunch of apparmor denials about snap gnome monitor thing?03:26
flogThe error message is longer than suitable for irc, let me pastebin it.03:27
flogMight have something to do with that i tried out slim instead of gdm.03:28
flogsarnold:https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TTrZtMd8hK/03:30
sarnoldflog: oh interesting, not what I expected03:31
flogThat is when i launch gnome-system-monitor from the terminal.03:31
flogI am running i3, and used slim as login manager.03:32
sarnoldflog: I *think* this is the place to report gnome system monitor on ubuntu bugs https://forum.snapcraft.io/categories03:33
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flogsarnold:changed back to using gdm instead of slim but the error persists. I think that installing slim was the only change i did before starting to see the issue with gnome-system-monitor03:42
flog.03:42
sarnoldflog: check snap's logs for gnome system monitor? maybe it was recently updated?03:43
juanonymouscan someone show me how to install and run a mail server, also i wanted to add a private email, like for example ju@nonymous.me. can someone walk me trough? thank you03:50
sarnoldjuanonymous: hopefully useful to you https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/email-services.html03:52
juanonymousthanks sarnold03:53
flogsarnold: where wolud i find that?04:03
aienaIs there anything like pyshaper for modern ubuntu I'm interested in blocking internet traffic by process name04:03
sarnoldflog: something like "snap info" I think04:04
lotuspsychjecontact/maintainer info: snap info snapname yeah04:04
sarnoldaiena: and if the process name changes, what would you like to happen?04:05
aienai guess it would unblock04:06
aienaI ws looking at imjptables and curious. Can I block by changing the grup of a process to a group say called "nointernet"04:07
aienaat iptables04:07
aienawhat about ufw not ao familiar with it.04:07
sarnoldit'd be a bit difficult to put specific processes into specific groups for that to work04:08
floglotuspsychje: just need to read up on some basics on snaps. Dont even know what it is yet :p04:08
sarnoldufw doesn't provide ways to block by program, just by ports used04:08
sarnoldaiena: it wouldn't be too hard to smack an apparmor profile on a handful of programs, but there's no easy way to let the program get to the internet just by changing its process name04:08
lotuspsychje!snap | flog04:08
ubottuflog: Snaps are containerised software packages similar to flatpaks or appimage. For more info, see https://snapcraft.io04:08
sarnoldaiena: and apparmor wouldn't make it easy to block "the internet", just "no networking at all" -- which might be more than you suspect04:09
aienaby no networking you mean even IPC would halt04:10
LinuxSLguys quick question here, Linux is my second language so please be patient with me. I can't get an IP from my ISP. my netplan looks great but still can't get an IP. Is it something with UFW maybe?04:10
aienamost likely I think04:10
sarnoldaiena: apparmor's controls are still a b it course: you could allow unix domain sockets, but eg if you wanted to block tcp off-host, you'd also have to block tcp on loopback too04:11
aienaLinuxSL you can rule out ifs by stopiing the daemon. systemctl stop ufw04:11
aiena*rule out ufw04:11
aienaafter you stop the daemon see if you can get an ip04:11
aienasarnold thanks, I will look into apparmor when I get home.04:13
ryuoLinuxSL: is it actually being applied?04:20
ryuoLinuxSL: and no, ufw shouldn't get in the way on the default settings.04:21
ryuoLinuxSL: though, you're not using a router? most of the time you get your IP over a LAN DHCP.04:22
LinuxSLthanks guys. I'm trying to build a router with 2 interfaces. currently I'm at work and won't be able to disable ufw to retry dhcp from isp04:26
k_szeIs there a way to list the *dependents* of a systemd unit (specifically, a service unit)04:26
k_szee.g. i want to check what things depend on mysql.service.04:27
k_szeSome kind of systemctl command?04:27
callipygousHow to get Ubuntu to rotate the screen when I tilt the tablet 90 degrees??04:27
flogsarnold: im not sure what sort of information im looking for about my gnome-system-monitor04:27
sarnoldLinuxSL: it's unlikely to be ufw; check your logs, find out if you're using systemd's dhcp or if you're using dhcpcd or dhclient or whatever..04:27
sarnoldflog: recent updates that you might be able to blame, maybe a place to file bugs..04:27
LinuxSLi think systemd-networkd or something like that from journalctl04:27
LinuxSLif I remember from this morning04:28
LinuxSLcorrectly ;)04:28
LinuxSLthe weird thing I don't understand is during bootup, it froze for like 2 minutes while trying to get an IP from my ISP, then gave up then continue booting and then I see the login prompt04:30
LinuxSLwhy can't it just ok, no IP, i'm going to continue booting instead of hanging up on me for a good 2 minutes04:31
joetoheyi want to make my ubuntu box a router. WIFI connects to the internet, and eth0 as local LAN. Any solution beside IP forwarding?04:32
LinuxSLlong story short, I started my Linux journey about 20 days ago afte giving up on Hyper-V and windows server so unstable04:33
LinuxSLnow i'm on esxi and a bunch of VMs running ubuntu04:33
LinuxSLlearning almost everything from scratch and lots of googling04:34
LinuxSLfirst time I setup CUPS, took me a good 2 hours04:34
LinuxSLthen SAMBA at least 6 hours04:34
LinuxSLLOL04:34
LinuxSLthen homebridge, days04:34
LinuxSLthen openvpn, a week04:34
joetoheylinuxSL: have you done openstack, k8s, docker, centos admin,etc?04:35
LinuxSLnow I'm facing with a new challenge, setting up a firewall04:35
LinuxSLzero what you said04:35
joetoheyah04:35
LinuxSLi might do docker next04:35
joetoheya firewall for what?04:35
LinuxSLi have a wifi router asus04:36
joetoheyyou are making a dedicated firewall?04:36
LinuxSLbut i see the the cpu stat keep hitting 100% on core 104:36
LinuxSLso I said, forget this router04:36
LinuxSLI'll let you do AP mode so your CPU don't crank04:36
LinuxSLand I'll run a VM for routing04:36
LinuxSLso that's where it began. LOL04:36
LinuxSLfor now, since the ubuntu server VM isn't online because I can't figure out why dhcp don't work so I can get a public IP, I'm still using the asus router for now04:37
LinuxSLbut that router is slow as hell04:38
LinuxSL2 core and 1 core is constantly at 100%04:38
joetoheyhave you thought about the firmware on your router or exchanging it?04:38
LinuxSLmy wifi speed sucks and I know it is because of the asus router04:38
joetoheyit could be compromised04:38
LinuxSLno it's not too old and not too new04:38
LinuxSLasus ac68u04:39
LinuxSLlatest firmware04:39
joetoheyah04:39
LinuxSLi don't even run openvpn on that router04:39
joetoheyhave you called up your cable service about it?04:39
LinuxSLotherwise i might as well have no internet at home if I do that04:39
LinuxSLwhy call them04:39
LinuxSLthe asus router got an IP just fine04:40
joetoheysometimes they can help04:40
LinuxSLit's when I disconnect from the asus router and plug it into the ubuntu server is when i can't get an IP04:40
joetoheycuz sometimes they register your mac address04:40
LinuxSLno they don't04:40
joetoheyok. i've had that done to me.04:40
LinuxSLtheir router is in my garage collecting dust :)04:40
LinuxSLasus router doesn't even have the same MAC04:40
joetoheyok04:40
callipygousHow to get Ubuntu to rotate the screen when I tilt the tablet 90 degrees??04:41
LinuxSLi might sell their router and make a few bucks since I don't even use it04:41
joetoheyperhaps you can try a new router and return if it doesnt work.04:41
LinuxSLasus ac68u is not bad04:41
LinuxSLand can't return04:41
LinuxSLit's 2yrs old04:41
joetoheyi mean.. try out a second one.04:41
LinuxSLgo buy new one?04:41
LinuxSLwhy?04:41
LinuxSLwhen i can use ubuntu VM from my esxi server04:42
joetoheyjust make sure it's not your asus.04:42
joetoheyok. i guess you can do that.04:42
joetoheyif you have problems only when you use your asus router. maybe you can get a second router to test that first one.04:43
LinuxSLyea but it would be cheaper for me to just get ubuntu working04:44
LinuxSLi don't have to drive anywhere04:44
LinuxSLor buy anything04:44
flogsarnold: solved it, dconf reset -f /org/gnome/gnome-system-monitor05:17
lotuspsychjei would like to measure the time of launching an application, any tips?05:56
flogThe time it takes to launch?05:58
lotuspsychjeyes05:58
lotuspsychjehexchat is taking some time, could be useful to measure for a bug05:58
flogah05:58
flogCan you launch it with some verbose debugging?05:59
flogAnd check times in some log maybe?05:59
HiddenDjinni just reinstalled xubuntu and it seems i'm having issues with thunderbird and gmail05:59
lotuspsychjeflog: the manpage doesnt show a verbose option so it seems06:00
HiddenDjinni get put into an authentication loop with thunderbird not catching the handoff from the google verification06:00
HiddenDjinnanyone know what may be causing that?06:01
floglotuspsychje: does "time" give you the info you need?06:02
lotuspsychjeflog: lets test06:02
lotuspsychjeflog: yeah, tnx thats gonna be useful06:03
floglotuspsychje: glad to help, without really knowing much :p06:04
lotuspsychjeflog: dont worry im pre testing 20.04 here, not supported in here :p06:06
flogis that going to be the next lts?06:09
lotuspsychjeflog: yes sir06:10
flogCool.06:11
lotuspsychjeflog: support in #ubuntu+1 if you want to know more of it06:11
flogill read up on it06:12
ledenlotuspsychje, hexchat is funny it is delay join channel or launch ...06:12
lotuspsychjeleden: didnt see the problem on 18.04, its lagging now for launch only yeah06:13
callipygousHow to get Ubuntu to rotate the screen when I tilt the tablet 90 degrees??06:13
HiddenDjinncallipygous, does ubuntu recognize the gyroscope sensor?06:14
HiddenDjinnflog, LTS comes out every other year06:15
callipygousnot a clue, I've not had a tablet before06:15
HiddenDjinnflog, nominally, in april06:15
HiddenDjinncallipygous, well, if the sensor isn't recognized, it's not going to auto rotate06:16
flogHiddenDjinn: just recently got back to using linux after being on the two dark sides for 10 years.06:16
HiddenDjinnflog, and version numbers for ubuntu follow year.month of release(nominally)06:16
flogI must have been on ubuntu 6.04 or something.06:17
flogback then.06:17
HiddenDjinnflog, i was using slackware in the 6.xx era of ubuntu06:19
HiddenDjinni first installed ubuntu at 8.04, iirc06:19
flogWell ubuntu wasnt geeky enough so i went with gentoo :p But now i dont really tinker so plain ubuntu but with i3 is sweet.06:20
callipygousHiddenDjinn, what would I look for? What is the sensor called?06:20
callipygouslsusb shows up 'Silicon Motion' .. whatever that is06:21
HiddenDjinngyroscope or orientation06:21
flogsilicon motion sounds promising though.06:21
HiddenDjinnit does06:21
HiddenDjinnflog, i was using slackware since the late 90s, so...yeah06:22
HiddenDjinnflog, i'm not proud that i stuck with it as long as i did06:23
HiddenDjinnflog, it was out of pure stubbornness06:23
flogDWasnt slackware kinda stable though?06:24
HiddenDjinnflog, it still is, but it's not exactly updated these days and you get weird issues with certain video cards and certain efi systems06:24
libreWorldis the slackware creator Patrick still active?06:25
flogcallipygous: what tablet do you have? it is probably easier to google the make and model and if there is anyone using ubuntu/or any other distro for that matter.06:25
HiddenDjinnlibreWorld, that's a good question06:26
flogAlso silicon motion seems to be a graphics cards?06:26
HiddenDjinnlibreWorld, i've lost track06:26
callipygousflog, I did look.  Doesn't seem the Samsung Slate 7 was that popular :(06:27
libreWorldyea me too, I know he battled health issues years ago06:27
lotuspsychjekeep it ubuntu issue related guys06:28
lotuspsychje!chat06:28
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lotuspsychjeor #ubuntu-discuss06:28
HiddenDjinnlotuspsychje, you have any idea what would be causing thunderbird to go into an auth loop with google?06:28
callipygousFrom an arch wiki page:  "The Series 7 Slate, as far as I can tell uses a STMicroelectronics LSM303DLH Accelerometer/Magenetometer. "06:29
flogcallipygous: the archwiki is usually really good. Looking at the same article as you and it does mention the use of some ubuntu stuff.06:31
veegeeHey any fibre channel guys in here?06:31
libreWorldI missed what DE he was talking about, but screen rotation usually has a setting in the Settings area, check that?06:31
flogcallipygous: checkout the script for screen rotation in the article.06:32
real-samuraihello anybody06:34
libreWorldhi06:35
real-samuraigreetings06:38
r4u1hello06:38
real-samuraiI'm real-samurai from japan.06:44
real-samuraiSamurais soul is 知恩報恩.06:44
real-samuraisamurai feel kindness and return a favor.06:44
real-samurai知恩報恩, Chi-on-hou-on, It is very difficult to translate into English.06:45
lotuspsychjelol06:47
lotuspsychjeonly ubuntu issues here real-samurai06:47
real-samuraisorry.06:47
real-samuraiI'm re-installing ubuntu server 18.04.3.06:48
real-samuraiI failed on the first install, Featured Server Snaps too many.06:50
joetoheywhy not try out 19.10?06:52
joetoheythey say that 19.10 runs faster than 19.0406:52
joetoheythat was chinese: zhi eng bao eng: i recognize kindness and will repay kindness.06:53
real-samuraiI put stability first for use at work.06:56
real-samuraican u read 知恩報恩?06:56
real-samurai知恩報恩 Chi-on-hou-on has very different meanings China and Japan.07:01
lotuspsychjestop that real-samurai07:01
real-samuraisorry lotuspsychie07:03
joetoheyyes,i can read that.07:28
joetoheyoh. real samuari, you meant that in japanese>07:28
tomreynreal-samurai: if you have any ubuntu support questions, you'Re welcome to ask here. if you would like to discuss ubuntu related topics, #ubuntu-discuss is better suited. for social chat and other topics, there is #ubuntu-offtopic (but guidelines apply there, too).07:38
real-samuraiI installed ubuntu server 18.04.3 and installing ubuntu-desktop.07:44
real-samuraii want try install ubuntu desktop japanese remix.07:45
tomreyndo you have a support question, though?07:46
tomreynplease note that "ubuntu desktop japanese remix" is probably not supported here.07:47
tomreyn(just by the name, i have never heard of it)07:47
CQhello, I have my language set to US_en but a lot of locale settings (time, currency, etc.) to German, and I am getting applications opening in German, how can I change this?07:49
CQall of the language settings seem to be correct07:50
tomreyndo you mean en_US.UTF-8?07:50
tomreynnote that locales can be set system wide but overridden on a user scope.07:51
real-samuraithanx CQ07:52
CQtomreyn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JrtqBnbzb7/07:53
tomreynCQ: see what i wrote above. also discuss how you configured your locales, and what "locale" outputs07:53
tomreynCQ: what did you just post there?07:53
CQ /etc/default/locale07:53
CQlocale outputs among others LANGUAGE=en_US:de ... I assume that's the culprit ?07:54
tomreynyes, if you want those changes to apply system wide you should also set    LANGUAGE=de_DE:de   in /etc/default/locale07:55
CQwell, I want the language to be english, jsut numbers etc. de, so LANGUAGE=eu_US:en probably then?07:55
CQtomreyn, how do I get the system to reread /etc/default/locale then after changing it?07:57
tomreynyes, but also change LANG to en_US.UTF-8 then07:57
CQLANG="en_US.UTF-8"07:57
tomreynLC_CTIME LC_COLLATE LC_MESSAGES should also be set to "de_DE.UTF-8"07:57
CQ...thats already set07:57
tomreynah right, sorry07:57
tomreynto apply the changes, i think oyu need to logout and login07:58
InteloHOw to increase ulimit? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/3qVvY3YdC4/07:58
CQyeah, or just . /etc/default/locale  ...in every shell ;)07:59
Intelo?08:01
NiceKype85hay, i have a problem with my ftp upload on my ubuntu server. Is here anyone who can help me?08:02
tomreynNiceKype85: not unless you provide details08:03
tomreynIntelo: run ulimit with the options listed in brackets08:03
tomreyn...supplying new values08:03
tomreynsee also its man page08:03
NiceKype85I first ask that i dont must write in any chat the howl text :D08:03
Intelotomreyn,  I did this: Is that ok?: sudo vim /etc/sysctl.conf08:04
Intelo# add the following line to it: fs.file-max = 6553508:04
tomreynIntelo: syntactically i think that's fine, yes. a better place to put it wouldbe in a new file (with a name hinting that it contains local modifications) in /etc/sysctl.d/08:06
NiceKype85I installed vsftpd on my ubuntu 18.04 server. I activated much options from some install instructions. And i can connect without problems. But i cant up- or download anything. Firewall and ports are correct. I tried to change some settings, i tried to reinstall, but nothing helps08:06
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Intelotomreyn,  ok, What I did would be permanent to all users and dont need a system restart?08:07
tomreynIntelo: yes, after you ran    sysctl -p[FILE]08:08
tomreynspecify the [FILE] in case you placed it in /etc/sysctl.d/08:08
tomreynotherwise, for sysctl.conf, you can omit [FILE]08:09
tomreynNiceKype: is ftp the correct protocol? most people should prefer sftp (via openssh) nowadays.08:10
NiceKypea colleague from work told me that normal ftp works better. And i tried sftp first but that dont work too08:11
tomreyn"don't work" is not the most preferred way to describe problems around here, in case this is somethign you'd like to solve.08:11
tomreynif you still think you must use ftp, make sure you check your log files about what's failing. vsftpd takesa while and dedication to configure the first time around.08:11
tomreynon the other hand, there are a *lot* of guides on it online.08:12
NiceKypelogs was the first way for me, but there is nothing usefull. Only a correct connection, nothing with up- or download08:12
NiceKypeI followed the guides and searched on very much sites but found NOTHING helpfulö08:13
NiceKypehelpful*08:13
tomreynare you transferring in active or passive mode?08:13
NiceKypei dont know what that means08:15
Intelotomreyn,  I just ran sudo sysctl -p08:15
ryuoNiceKype: sftp isn't using ftp. it's over ssh (port 22). ftps is the ssl version of ftp.08:15
tomreynNiceKype: then you did not read enough documentation, yet.08:15
tomreynIntelo: that's fine with me!08:16
NiceKypein not one of the install instructions was anything about active and passive08:16
NiceKyperyuo but why i can connect with ftp to that?08:16
NiceKypewith sftp i cant connect08:18
ryuoyet... you can use ssh?08:18
NiceKypesure but not with the ftp user08:18
ryuouh...08:18
tomreynhmm, you may have followed bad guides if they don't mention active/passive transfers (maybe post which one you followed). i'll have to leave it there for now, maybe others can help if you'll sum it up again.08:19
NiceKypei cant post it, i read more then 10 guides. first pages on google08:19
ryuoNiceKype: what 'sftp' client are you using?08:19
NiceKypecyberduck08:19
ryuowhat the?08:19
NiceKypemac:D08:20
ryuocan you try the command line version?08:21
flogI used to use cyberduck too on os x. Had no issues using it against vsfptd08:21
ryuoyou should be able to use sftp against your regular login account.08:21
ryuoif that works then there's probably something wrong with the user account.08:22
NiceKypeuser is in www-data and the folder are owned by www-data + i tried much rights settings 744, 755, 77708:25
NiceKypeand i tried to give the user itself the ownership08:25
NiceKypetomreyn i looked again and on ubuntu.com itself there is nothing about active and passive ^^08:26
flogwhat ftp server are you trying to use?08:27
NiceKyperyou its definitly ftp. In service its active as vsftpd FTP server08:27
NiceKypeflog vsftpd08:27
Intelotomreyn,  I mean, it will impose? No need to give [FILE]?08:29
geirhaor perhaps switch to git...08:40
NiceKypexD i tested tp put the pam_service again to vsftpd. That broke the connection again. Switched back to ftp and know i still cannot up- or download but i see the howl server folders not only the home folder :O08:45
NiceKypeno options?08:48
elias_aI'm sorry to ask same question again but what is the logic in some applications appearing on 18.04 desktop with an icon among frequently used apps and others do not. I do not understand why Gedit which I use in every single session is not shown in frequently used applications on desktop.08:50
NiceKypeokey then thanks for the "help" 🙄08:52
Santaliz14Hi. Can anyone help out a noob? I need to use Linux for a project, and everything was going fine. I attempted to attach another volume to the filesystem, which I think is successful. I rebooted, and now I am stuck on "Welcome to GRUB!" "error: variable 'prefix' isn't set." Any ideas? Highly appreciated09:05
Santaliz14By the way, not sure If it was even related to that.. I just think that was the only thing I did which could have caused it09:05
mgedminwhen you say you attempted to attach another volume, do you mean you pluged in another hard drive?09:06
mgedminmaybe the BIOS/UEFI is now tring to boot from it, instead of your main drive?09:06
mgedminso the first thing to check would be boot order in the BIOS setup09:07
Santaliz14It's a VPS, I created a filesystem for it, created mountpoint, mounted the volume (and then I tried to add it in 'fstab' to mount on startup).. Okay I'll check that, one second. Thanks btw.09:07
mgedminoh, a VPS?  interesting; I wouldn't expect boot order problems on a VPS09:07
mgedminhave you touched the grub config in any way?09:08
Santaliz14Nope, not at all.09:08
mgedminwhere did you mount the new volume?09:08
Santaliz14"mount "/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-0Linode_Volume_CW-DE-003-VOLUME-" "/mnt/CW-DE-003-VOLUME-""09:09
Santaliz14just followed the Linode guide, heh09:09
mgedmink, that looks fine09:09
Jonopolyis there away to run apt install and find the size?09:10
Jonopolyatm.. it's already installed but i want to see how big it is09:11
flogJonopoly: apt show <package>09:12
mgedminJonopoly: apt show packagename will show you an Installed-Size, which is a bit of an approximation09:12
Santaliz14mgedmin heh, any idea then? I added this line to fstab '/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-0Linode_Volume_CW-DE-003-VOLUME- /mnt/CW-DE-003-VOLUME- ext4 defaults,noatime,nofail 0 2' and then rebooted, but then the boot broke.. I removed it from fstab again, but still same result09:13
mgedminSantaliz14: how are you editing fstab if you can't boot?09:13
Santaliz14Linode VPS, so you have CLI and then GUI. GUI part broke after this, doesn't boot to desktop anymore. So I am stuck with only CLI.09:15
zoidQuestion... why is vi included with Ubuntu, but not vim?09:15
cocofis latest mc from ubuntu safe to use?09:15
cocofit used to have some vulns in 2014.09:15
JonopolyThanks guys09:16
mgedminzoid: it's included, just not installed by default09:16
mgedminSantaliz14: that doesn't really make sense to me!09:16
tomreyncocof: can you name one, by CVE ID?09:16
tomreyncocof: looking at https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=219 the latest one seems to be from 200509:19
Santaliz14mgedmin okay, well thanks anyway, heh09:20
zoidmgedmin: but nano is preinstalled... questions... lol09:21
tomreynIntelo: "sysctl -p" (without the file argument) will read and apply configurations from /etc/sysctl/sysctl.conf *only* (so not from sysctl.d/*)09:26
tomreynbut yes, you can run it like this, as its man page tells.09:26
tomreynarguments given in [square brackets] are optional09:27
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Guest_76Hi, how would I go about getting this into an image if no image has it baked in already. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curtin/+bug/1849322  would really like ot test with that version of curtin..11:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1849322 in curtin (Ubuntu) "Bogus serial string in subiquity install wwn-eui.*" [High,Fix released]11:12
galadosI've experienced some frequent disconnections from my university's network "eduroam" which is a widely used network in most universities, and colleges.. the first time I connect after booting it works but then it drops after a couple mins/secs and I can't rejoin it. my wifi card is: BCM4352Z. the network is WPA2 Enterprise11:17
jeremy31galados, do it show power management on in results for iwconfig11:30
galadosjeremy31: power management is off11:33
jeremy31galados: is there a 2 or a 3 in results for>  cat /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf11:35
galadosjeremy31: wifi.powersave = 211:36
jeremy31galados: I dont have much time now, but have you tried setting a BSSID in network manager settings?11:38
galadosjeremy31: yes, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt reconnect, but the connection is stable on my phone and my friends' laptops11:40
Noruxgalados: Not sure if this is relevant to the problem, but at our university there's often problems with the certificates. We have an installer script: https://cat.eduroam.org/?idp=5066.11:45
Noruxgalados: According to your IP, this might be useful? https://cat.eduroam.org/?idp=506611:50
gvvg__Hi - I'm afraid I've broken my ubuntu 18.04 box - it won't boot after I tried to delete an lvm partition - it wasn't the boot partition and didn't seem to be used but now when I boot it drops to busybox (intitramfs) don't know what to do? any help would be appreciated I'm stuck12:05
mgedminwhen you say you deleted a partition, how exactly did you do it?12:06
blueingressHi, I had problem to install the package ufraw on ubuntu_19.10, with the error "E: Package 'ufraw' has no installation candidate", any one can help?12:07
gvvg__mgedmin - I tried with fdisk but it said it was busy so I don't even know what I did12:07
gvvg__it seemed to say it was busy so I thought no harm done and rebooted now it won't boot12:07
mgedmingvvg__: ok, next time don't do that without removing the physical volume from the lvm volume group first12:07
gvvg__right - note taken12:08
gvvg__can I fix this?12:08
* mgedmin is now googling furiously12:08
gvvg__it looked like the LVM partition was not used at all12:08
mgedminthis should be recoverable, but I suspect you'll neet to boot into a live session from a usb key or something12:09
gvvg__ok I can do that12:09
mgedminideally you should be able to recreate the partiton at exactly the right place, undoing your change12:09
mgedmin(the "device busy" from fdisk means that the partition table was written, but the running kernel is unable to update /dev/sdXY devices to point to the new partition layout because some of the partitions are in use12:10
mgedmin)12:10
mgedminnow, in order to re-create the partition at the exact location, hmm, I don't suppose you had the fdisk output backed away somewhere before you started playing?12:11
mgedminI wonder if there are tools like testdisk that can find the boundaries of LVM PVs by inspecting unpartitioned space12:11
mgedminyou could try to create a partition matching the unpartitioned space exactly and hope it works12:11
mgedmin(if you have precious data on the drive with no backups, make a full disk image as a backup first!)12:12
CrazyEddyQuick question guys, what should I do to solve this gpg error when I run do-release-upgrade?12:15
tomreynwhich?12:18
gvvg__mgedmin: when I try and boot the image - there is no live option - even though live is in the name of the image12:18
mgedmingvvg__: are you booting the -live-server image?  I think you can get a shell with Alt+f212:19
gvvg__mgedmin: it starts the install right away asking for language and keyboard then install ubuntu12:19
tomreynblueingress: did you run    sudo apt update    beforehand?12:19
tomreynblueingress: actually, this package is not available on 19.10, so installing it is not an option.12:20
gvvg__mgedmin: I'm booting gparted live now12:22
gvvg__it shows that I deleted the partition :( so I don't know what to do :(12:23
tomreynblueingress: the reasoning for removal (off debian unstable/"sid", and as a result of this, off ubuntu 19.10) is discussed here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=93172512:27
ubottuDebian bug 931725 in ftp.debian.org "RM: ufraw -- ROM; upstream gone, possible security issues" [Normal,Open]12:27
mgedmingvvg__: you need to create a new partiton at exactly the same disk offset and size where the deleted partition was12:29
mgedmingvvg__: and you need to make sure not to format it, nor wipe it12:29
mgedmingvvg__: you can set the partition type to 0x8e (Linux LVM)12:30
mgedmingvvg__: also make sure you have backups of anything valuable on that disk before you mess with it any more12:31
mgedmingvvg__: (take a disk image if you haven't made backups earlier and there's precious data on there)12:31
gvvg__I"m afraid I've done too many things to screw this up - I expanded the hard disk before and now I can't choose the proper size anymore - I will have to forget this12:31
gvvg__I have to be more careful in the future12:31
mgedmin.. how do you expand a hard disk?12:32
mgedmindo you mean you expaned one of the other partitions?12:32
gvvg__it's a vmware esxi12:32
gvvg__I changed the hd size from 100GB to 200GB12:33
gvvg__then deleted the partition12:33
gvvg__so now I can't create the partition exactly the same way12:33
gvvg__is there anyway to explore the unparitioned disk to find filesystems or files?12:34
mgedminahh12:37
mgedmintestdisk12:37
mgedminit's not a problem if you recreate a bigger LVM partition, as long as its beginning matches... I think...12:38
mgedminyeah, it's not raid; lvm stores the metadata at the beginning of the partition12:38
mgedminyou can then extend it later with pvresize if you manage to recover12:39
mgedminreinstalling might be quicker if you don't have any data you're afraid of losing12:39
mgedminotoh recovery might be a fun realistic exercise of gaining sysadmin skills if you're inclined in that direction12:40
TJ-On 19.10 any idea what package is responsible for creating $HOME/.pEp* dirs/files ?12:41
* mgedmin hasn't ever seen such dirs/files12:43
sonOfRaTJ-: guessing from the name, Pretty Easy Privacy. Default-enabled in modern thunderbird versions if you use PGP, I think12:45
TJ-Ahhh, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Easy_privacy12:45
TJ-Right, so it is a by-product of Enigmail extension to Thunderbird12:47
sonOfRaI would assume so, yes.12:47
gvvg__mgedmin: thank you for all your help12:49
BluesKajHi folks12:59
Jonopolyis there an library that can convert word to pdf?13:29
Jonopolythat's very light-weight13:29
SantalizI'm trying to run a VM, from vmware running on Ubuntu. Getting this error 'This host does not support AMD-V. This host does not support "AMD RVI" hardware assisted MMU virtualization' - could I enable AMD-V somehow, to solve this?13:31
Cheezthat's usually a cpu feature enabled within the host computers bios / uefi settings.13:35
Santalizcheez: Meaning my computer? Would I be able to change that from the BIOS settings then?13:35
SantalizSorry, quite a noob in this13:35
Cheezyes, the exact hows of doing so depend on the motherboard etc. it does depend on your cpu actually having those features too, which depends how old it is.13:37
SantalizCheez: Okay, thank you!13:38
InteloHow do I check how many ram slots I have, which slot has how much ram and which slots are free?13:58
Cheezdmidecode -t memory13:59
NoruxIntelo: Open your PC :^)14:01
InteloCheez, Norux  it shows number of devices 2. So thats where the ram is. How many are free?14:02
NoruxThere will be some entries saying Size: No module installed14:03
NoruxSee 2nd and 4th entry for my pc https://termbin.com/1vxr14:04
tarzeauhow do people prevent ubuntu/canonical destroying cuda calculations/x sessions with nvidia-dkms-* updates (automatic updates)?14:05
mgedmindisable automatic updates?  or blacklist some packages from being updated, there are plenty of configurable knobs in /etc/apt/conf.d/*unattended*14:08
pizzaioloif i'm connected to a network on both wire and wifi and use the built-in VPN client, does that apply to all my connections or specific ones?14:14
sonOfRaJonopoly: lightweight not really. But libreoffice has a headless mode and can convert doc to pdf via command line14:15
TJ-pizzaiolo: in general the PVN isn't tied to a particular interface. It uses the routing table to determine how to reach the remote end of the tunnel14:16
mgedminpizzaiolo: depends on the VPN connection configuration: does it set a default route, or does it specify a list of routes for specific IP subnets14:16
TJ-pizzaiolo: usually there will be an added specific route to the remote end which may well specify an egress interface14:16
pizzaioloalright, i'll have to check the tutorial i used to set this all up. it's a bit out of my league tbh14:17
pizzaioloty TJ- & mgedmin14:17
TJ-pizzaiolo:  think of it like this: a tunnel from A to B that carries all traffic cannot carry its own traffic, so there has to be a specific route for B in A's routing table14:18
Mr_CyclopsHello, I need to copy a large amount of data to two hard drives (millions of files) and it takes time. Is there a way that one copy command copies the source to two hard drives in parallel? thanks14:21
TJ-Mr_Cyclops: the obvious answer is, are the target devices already formatted with file-systems with existing files - because if not you could make them a RAID-1 mirror, copy to the mirror, then break the mirror apart into 2 separate devices after (and altering the UUID of 1 file-system to prevent collisions)14:23
Mr_Cyclopstarget are blank ... I tried to create a RAID1 mirror via mdadm14:25
Mr_Cyclopsand tried to copy some data14:25
Mr_Cyclopsbut not sure how to break and the UUID step, can you provide details... thanks14:25
TJ-Mr_Cyclops: It's a while since I did it, so experiment on non-critical data, but I think it's "mdadm --grow --raid-devices=1 /dev/mdX /dev/sdY" to shrink a mirror to a single device /dev/sdY. I'm trying to recall how I then created a 'new' RAID array also with one device using the just-removed /dev/sdZ14:32
TJ-Mr_Cyclops: It might be easier to use LVM rather than mdadm, which can do similar things but more seamlessly, with RAID mirrors14:32
Mr_CyclopsTJ-, thank you, let me experiment with that ... appreciate your help14:37
gjt343Currently have Postgres11 installed on Windows and switched over to trying to code through WSL/VS Code.  Do I need to install Postgres through Ubuntu also?  I tried command in VSCode/WSL terminal "sudo -u postgres psql postgres" and it says "sudo: unknown user: postgres    sudo: unable to initialize policy plugin"14:42
gjt343sorry for the newb question.  I'm new to Linux, etc14:42
Mr_Cyclopsgjt343, sudo is  used to run a command as superuser and apt install to install the package14:43
Mr_Cyclopsso you could try14:43
Mr_Cyclopssudo apt install postgres ... etc14:43
Milenchogjt343, if you want to use the info from Windows/Postgre - first u have to make backup and import it on the new installed (on ubuntu) postgre14:44
gjt343ok, so I guess the answer is yes.  I already have Postgres installed through Windows but I guess they don't mix14:45
gjt343milencho: ok, thanks.  It was a totally newb question.  Makes sense that same app doesn't work on two different environments14:45
mgedminthe sudo -u postgres trick is to make use of unix userid authentication for the local postgresql in your linux environment14:47
mgedminif you want to use psql on linux to talk to a postgresql server running elsewhere, specify the hostname/port as command-line arguments to psql14:47
mgedmin(you will have to install psql)14:47
mgedminalso I'm not familiar with WSL, but I assume apps in it can talk to windows apps on the same machine over TCP?14:47
Ecko_It depends on the program14:48
gjt343mgedmin: honestly really don't know.  That's way above my understanding.  I'll install postgres on WSL to make it less painful14:48
Ecko_For example, MySQL in WSL is accessible by everything else you're running in Windows14:49
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gjt343I plan to run through a Ubuntu server eventually anyway so I have to learn the Linux code and how to operate in Linux environment14:49
Ecko_postgres probably too, but never tried14:49
mgedmingjt343: good strategy14:49
Milenchogjt343, installing PostgreSQL will be easy for you - there are a lot of tutorials/sites14:51
vltMr_Cyclops: Another idea: I’d propably not use raid but read the files once using tar and then use tee to split the resulting stream to two extracting tar processes :)14:57
vltMr_Cyclops: (Or just write the tar file. Depends on your requirements.)14:57
jformanhi all, i'm trying to setup ldap authentication between two ubuntu VMs, but on the server i see this in the slapd logs "slapd[1435]: <= mdb_equality_candidates: (uniqueMember) not indexed". i cannot for the life of me find the right docs to explain how to fix this. any help?15:19
TJ-jforman: has the index changed? does it need to be rebuilt (slapindex) ?15:22
jformanTJ-, this is from a completely fresh install with one user added.15:23
jformanif the index changed, i didnt do it intentionally. /me looks into slapindex15:23
TJ-jforman:  I'm judging by the "(uniqueMember) not indexed"15:23
TJ-jforman:  hmmm, seems like it cannot be indexed and the warning is just that, see this thread and both follow-ups that each explain an aspect of it  http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-technical/201506/msg00067.html15:25
jformanyeah, slapindex looks to rebuild the index (no errors), but still when i try to ssh into the client machine, i get bounced immediately (without a password prompt) and the same log message on the server. /me reads15:26
jformanhmmm so its a warning, more than anything. so perhaps something wrong with my configuration15:28
TJ-jforman: if the ssh connection is terminated (what does ssh -vvv show?) could that be due to the client's pam_ldap config?15:28
jformanyeah, that is what i am thinking. still digging15:28
jformanTJ-, sigh yeah. looks like it might be configuration. 1) i had password-based logins disabled, so it was failing since it never allowed the user. now just need to figure out why the user isnt being allowed to login. thanks for the sanity check15:35
TJ-jforman: auth.log should be tracking that now15:36
TJ-jforman: strangely I just noticed on 18.04 that journald isn't keeping any syslog 'auth' entries (e.g. "journalctl SYSLOG_IDENTIFIER=auth" comes up blank)15:37
jformanTJ-, yeah, i am dealing with that too. cannot seem to get password auth working, and like you found, nothing in the journal16:18
Ellipsis753Hi. I added a new user via "adduser", but don't seem to be able to ssh to that user. I've created a .ssh/authorized_keys for the new user, but no luck. Is there another step to allow someone to ssh to the user?16:18
akkOn eoan, something is mounting partitions on my disk under /media/myusername/UUID. It's not the desktop (I'm not running one).16:19
akkWhat's mounting them? How do I disable it?16:19
akkMaybe gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor and/or udisksd?16:20
lordcirth_Ellipsis753, look in /var/log/auth.log for errors16:21
lordcirth_You might need to fix the permissions on .ssh/authorized_keys, sshd is picky16:21
Ellipsis753lordcirth_: Permissions fixed it. Thanks.16:27
lordcirth_great16:28
crazymaxhello can i install arduino ide on lubunut?16:33
crazymaxlubuntu?16:33
lordcirth_crazymax, sudo apt install arduino16:34
crazymaxhow about installing it from web page?16:35
crazymaxlordcirth_, ?16:35
lordcirth_crazymax, why would you do that?16:35
lordcirth_Do you need a newer version?:16:35
crazymaxi think that app is latest from web16:35
crazymaxyeah16:35
crazymaxcorrect16:36
crazymaxmost people want it16:36
leftyfb!latest | crazymax16:36
ubottucrazymax: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.16:36
akkArduino doesn't change that often, though; most people are fine with one that's a year or two old.16:37
* akk tends to install arduino from arduino.cc then forget to update it for 5 years16:37
crazymaxanyway it is not good to download from web?16:37
* akk should probably just use apt instead16:37
crazymaxah16:37
lordcirth_crazymax, you should install from the default repositories unless you have a specific reason to do otherwise16:39
crazymaxok then apt install arduino ok?16:40
OziDoes anyone know of a hex editor which also shows the file system also17:20
OziLike used for forensics17:21
sarnoldflog: excellent :) not at all what I expected to fix it.. nice. thanks :)17:25
vltOzi: Not all of your requirements but mc can navigate files structure and has a hex viewer.17:26
OziMc?17:26
OziSorry I'm not at my laptop right now17:27
OziCould you parse me a link17:27
TJ-!info mc ~ Ozi17:27
ubottu'~' is not a valid distribution: bionic, bionic-backports, bionic-proposed, cosmic, cosmic-backports, cosmic-proposed, disco, disco-backports, disco-proposed, eoan, eoan-backports, eoan-proposed, focal, focal-backports, focal-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-propose17:27
TJ-grrr17:27
TJ-!info mc | Ozi17:27
ubottuOzi: mc (source: mc): Midnight Commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 3:4.8.22-1build1 (eoan), package size 467 kB, installed size 1460 kB17:27
OziThanks17:28
OziI'll av a look17:28
fritzroy15hello, is a restart necessary on ubuntu after changing overcommit_setting and overcommit_ratio?17:33
fritzroy15i'm looking into fixing an issue with Postgres getting killed off because of memory usage17:35
fritzroy15the "Kill process or sacrifice child" error17:36
ash_worksiwhen someone asks "what flavor of 'find'" -- how do I find that out? The reason it's confusing is because I have often done something like `man read` and not gotten any options like you might see here: http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_man_pages/readh.html17:41
TJ-ash_worksi: flavour would generally mean POSIX / GNU / Mac and so on17:42
TJ-ash_worksi:  those affect which options and argument handling to expect17:43
daxfor "read" specifically: it's a bash builtin, if you're using bash you probably want "help read"17:45
fritzroy15hello, I have the following issue happening on a postgres-11 db: https://gist.github.com/paul-lupu/b89ab1ca3a62be43e115973d02f67977 the instance has 8GB usable memory, so I don't understand how this is happening; the only thing that comes to mind is that the overcommit_memory setting being set to 0 is causing this; any opinion?17:45
ash_worksiokay, well there have been other times where I'll man something and I'm getting the wrong man17:46
ash_worksihow can I resolve what command I'm working with to it's actual manual?17:47
ash_worksi(I  know that sometimes you append a number I guess)17:47
ash_worksi(but I don't know how to find said number)17:47
ash_worksialso will `info find` relate specifically to the command executed by `which find` ?17:48
ash_worksior can that be somewhat arbitrary (like I just explained with man?)17:48
lenny_lemonsometimes my system does not want to shutdown or restart... systemctl poweroff.target failed blah blah... restart or reboot same...17:49
lenny_lemonshutdown now or systemctl start poweroff does not work either...17:50
TJ-lenny_lemon: which Ubuntu release?17:51
lenny_lemonubuntu 16.0417:51
TJ-ash_worksi:  see "man man-pages" where it explains the section numbers17:52
TJ-lenny_lemon:  there was a systemd bug causing a race condition on shutdown - not sure if it was present, or fixed, in 16.04 though. However, it might not be systemd causing the fault... possibly some unit it is waiting on isn't stopping17:53
ash_worksiTJ-: are you sure I'm just not reading the right section rather than the right manual?17:54
lenny_lemonTJ, tried ps aux | grep suspend and kill that process but did not help...17:54
lenny_lemonTJ, but I remember I found some command with systemctl and it forced and did shutdown system but cannot find it anymore...17:55
TJ-ash_worksi: once you know the section numbers, you can do "man <section-number> <name>" e.g. "man printf" vs "man 3 printf"17:57
TJ-lenny_lemon: journal ought to capture something about it, unless whatever it is happens after journald and file-systems are unmounted17:58
lenny_lemonTJ, could be systemctl --force reboot ? don't know how to use journal...18:01
lenny_lemonmy system running low space... using cryptswap. how can I remove it and expand partition for system?18:03
lenny_lemonI think I need to copy home folder right?18:03
lenny_lemonprobably create new user...18:04
bubbelycan someone point me to the correct BIOS settings for aorus z370 5 mobo so i can run ubuntu ?18:31
lotuspsychjebubbely: whats going on exactly?18:31
bubbelyi havent begun the install yet, i just wanted to know figuring something *might* go wrong :p18:32
bubbelyis it safe to say optimized defaults will work?18:32
lotuspsychjebubbely: we dont know what you want yet, are you going to singleboot or dualboot?18:33
pragmaticenigmabubbely: The configuration of your bios has little impact to what the operating system can do. The BIOS is there to get the computer started, after that the opersating system takes over18:34
lenny_lemonbubbely, lenovo?18:34
bubbelyhonestly i just need to boot into an os that i can view the EFI partition of a SATA harddrive so i can copy the Clover folder to repair my hackintosh build18:34
pragmaticenigmabubbely: Make sure that your BIOS is properly configured to the specifications of your computer18:34
lenny_lemonmake sure you disable secure boot first18:34
bubbelywhat format should i format my USB stick to18:35
geniiESP/EFI partitions are FAT3218:39
lotuspsychje!usb | bubbely18:39
ubottububbely: For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent18:39
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bubbelydoesnt say if i should format the USB to NTFS/exFat/APFS etc18:46
rigel_does the first column in /etc/hosts have to be an ip address? or can i put in another domain name to effectively alias it18:49
rigel_my university provides two domains for a server, ilab.university.local and ilab.university.edu (both only work on campus wifi), but only ilab.university.edu can be reliably resolved into an ip for some reason. can i alias ilab.university.local to ilab.university.edu without having to hardcode an ip address?18:51
bubbelyhi guys i just created a USB bootdrive and attempted to load it but the screen is just black after i chose to boot from it18:51
rigel_like a column like this: `ilab.university.edu ilab.university.local`, instead of having to do this: `172.xx.xx.xx ilab.university.local`18:52
rigel_s/column/line/18:52
seererigel_: no, you can't do that (AFAIK)18:53
rigel_then, other than /etc/hosts, is there a way to achieve that for my machine?18:53
bubbelyany ideas?18:54
rigel_bubbely: does it happen consistently?18:54
bubbelyrigel_: yes atleast 3 times in a row18:55
rigel_try reformatting the usb drive18:55
bubbelywhat drive type?18:55
bubbelyFat32?18:55
rigel_or check the integrity of the boot image18:55
tomreyn!md518:57
ubottuTo verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows18:57
tomreynbubbely: ^18:57
tomreynalso, there's a media test ("check ... for defects" i think) on the boot menu when you boot off it18:58
bubbelyi cant boot into grub though18:58
tomreynoh not even that?18:59
tomreynwhich hardware is it, is it booting in uefi or legavcy bios mode?18:59
tomreynand which ubuntu version and flavor is this?18:59
seererigel_: running dnsmasq providing a cname record could help18:59
bubbelytomreyn: aorus z370 gaming 519:01
tomreynrigel_: what are you trying to achieve there? do you want other people to be able to find this system via either domain? or do you want to look up names in those domains form the system itself?19:01
bubbelytomreyn: ubuntu-19.10-desktop-amd64.iso19:01
bubbelytomreyn: it isnt detectin the UEFI part of the USB disk19:02
seeretomreyn: he wrote what he wants some lines above?19:02
fritzroy15quick question, what are the sysctl.conf settings for overcommit_memory and overcommit_ratio?19:03
tomreynseere: not in a way that i could tell these use cases apart19:03
fritzroy15i can't seem to find them for ubuntu19:03
bubbelytomreyn: its UEFI19:03
matiHi, I have a question regarding GRUB. I've changed the resosution of GRUB ( in /etc/default/grub GRUB_GFXMODE=) from auto to 1920x1080. Before the change, GRUB loaded instantly but with 1080p resolution it loads from bottom to top, if you know what I mean. Is there any way to mitigate/eliminate this and make the loading faster?19:04
seeretomreyn: ok, for me it looks like "I need someting that acts like a DNS server providing this special CNAME resolution"19:04
tomreynbubbely: which cpu, which graphics card?19:04
bubbelytomreyn: Radeon 5700XT19:04
rigel_tomreyn: on the ilab server, they provide citrix workspace app thingies. the .ica files try to connect to the .local address, but fail. if i manually edit them to the .edu address (they're the same server/ip), it works. also, i can't ping/curl/nc the .local server, because the lookup fails (but nslookup seems to work, and it's a pain plugging in ip addresses everywhere), so i want my system to look for the19:05
bubbelytomreyn: Intel Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor19:05
rigel_.edu everytime it encounters the .local address19:05
lord4163Wait, what? Running apt dist-upgrade and it starts upgrading the packages without downloading them first?19:05
tomreynbubbely: hmm, maybe the graphics card is still too new. you can try booting with !kernelparm amdgpu.dc=019:06
tomreyn!kernelparm | bubbely19:06
ubottububbely: To add a one-time or permanent kernel boot parameter see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters19:06
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bubbelyill try the IGPU19:07
Aktivehey19:07
bubbelytomreyn: there should be 2 boot options though right? the UEFI sector and the legacy sector?19:07
Aktivewhen my laptop goes to sleep and I log back in. I cant use wifi. Until I shutdown and start again. Restarting will not work. I use Ubuntu LTS 18.0419:08
ioriafritzroy15, where are or what are ?19:08
tomreynbubbely: the mainboard firmware will always only boot in one of the two modes. either its native uefi mode, or, if CSM is configured, in legacy bios mode19:08
Aktivehey19:08
TJ-Aktive:  sounds like an ACPI issue19:09
fritzroy15ioria I mean, to set them up for ubuntu, do you set them as vm.overcommit_memory and vm.overcommit_ratio19:09
fritzroy15?19:09
AktiveCan I change that19:09
ioriafritzroy15, yes, like 'vm.overcommit_ratio = 50'19:09
fritzroy15ioria thanks!19:10
ioriaok19:10
lotuspsychjeAktive: whats the brand of that computer, and can you pastebin your dmesg for the volunteers please?19:10
TJ-Aktive: this may help: https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html19:10
AktiveAsus19:11
Aktivehttps://pastebin.com/GStRKsSY19:13
Aktive@Tj- I check it out19:14
Aktiverestarting now. Gonna test19:21
Aktiveif it works19:21
ckopnhow to change terminal background color for black with command?19:33
[rg]does ubiquity work for m.2 drives?19:36
lordcirth_[rg], should work, it's just a different drive path19:42
akkckopn: You'd have to specify which terminal program to get an answer to that question (if any support it; I'm not sure any do).19:42
[rg]some weird things have happened on dual install, nothing shows up in efi19:42
[rg]lordcirth_, not sure if I'm up to testing ubiquity19:42
akkckopn: Programs can print escape sequences that change the color temporarily, but that's not the same as actually changing the terminal program's background.19:43
[rg]but it has been pretty bullet proof in the past19:43
KNERDckopn: a .0002 second search reveals (if using BASH)  https://www.tecmint.com/customize-bash-colors-terminal-prompt-linux/19:43
Ridley5hi all19:43
Ridley5any tool to take a screnshot and zoom to a specific par of the image please ?19:44
lordcirth_Ridley5, like, screenshot a given part of the screen? The default screenshot program does that19:44
ckopnI meant the terminal in Ubuntu has dark red backgroud. I want it be black19:45
lordcirth_ckopn, gnome-terminal? Change colors in it's settings19:46
akkRidley5: If you just need it temporarily, xzoom is good, I think there's also xmag.19:46
ckopnbut with command to add this line in script19:46
akkIt doesn't actually take a screenshot (save to file), though, it just shows you the zoomed part.19:46
Ridley5thank you lord4163, i use Shutter it's very good tool but i need to zoom to a specific area of the image, like this : https://i.imgur.com/dhaORJW.png19:46
Ridley5lordcirth_:19:47
lordcirth_Oh, I see. I don't know of anything that does that automatically19:47
lordcirth_Perhaps a zoom tool and then screenshot?19:47
Ridley5that is lordcirth_19:48
Ridley5akk: for a specific area only like this :https://i.imgur.com/dhaORJW.png19:48
KNERDckopn: you would put it in your ~/.bash_profile  file19:49
IkoIKoBash.org Getting a random quote from bash.org, Please wait..19:49
IkoIKoBash.org - #447 Quote: <SSr2> what's pr0n?19:49
Ridley5yes but i should past the zoomed area on the entire screenshot lordcirth_19:49
akkRidley5: Did you read what I wrote? It seems like exactly what you want, unless you're trying to save this image19:49
akkin which case I'd use gimp, myself, but there are other image editors.19:49
KNERDckopn: or ~/.bashrc19:49
IkoIKoBash.org Getting a random quote from bash.org, Please wait..19:49
IkoIKoBash.org - #131 Quote: <hypr> as im on no your so inslurted me19:49
lordcirth_!offtopic | IkoIKo19:50
ubottuIkoIKo: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!19:50
ckopnKNERD: no, I have script for installing my working environment after ubuntu installation19:50
Ridley5i wanna try xzoom akk thank you19:50
KNERDckopn: you said scrip. that is a login script19:50
KNERDckopn: you mena you want to make your own script to run when you want?19:52
KNERDthen make your own script file then run it when you want after adding those cmmands in19:52
ckopnKNERD: no, it is script with interface configuration, with commands like this: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface show-battery-percentage true19:53
Ridley5i found a tutorial for doing this using Gimp lordcirth_ & akk :)19:54
Ridley5https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/create-simple-zoomed-effect-screenshots-gimp/19:54
KNERDckopn: it's the same thing, they are just passing varibles to the script19:55
flogbash19:56
KNERDAnyone know about the usage of these source ISOs?    http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/19.10/release/source/ I  download one  of 4.5GB, and it appears like it is nearly empy after extracting the contens19:58
TJ-KNERD: the file list that should be found is at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/19.10/release/source/ubuntu-19.10-src-1.list20:00
KNERDTJ-: i download ubuntu-19.10-src-1.iso that is 4.5GB in size.20:02
aktivehey20:02
aktiveIm back20:02
KNERDI am trying to decifer how all it is set up20:02
EldonMcGuinnessDoes they gnome based ubuntu still not play well with Bluetooth Headphones? I know you previously had to money with blueman to get it going.20:02
aktive@TJ- Well I ran the script and it didnt fix it20:02
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KNERDTJ-: okay, i see now.20:03
KNERDI see the files, thanks20:03
towserI have a hard drive (external) gparted can't read right because it was originally formatted for mac, how do I reformat it?20:04
TJ-aktive: that's shame. It points to an issue with the wifi chipset and/or kernel driver. What is the device? Show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk -d ::280 )"20:04
jidarare the zfs installer options available in the server install iso?20:04
towserfile system is unknown20:05
jidartowser: you should be able to just delete the partition in that case20:05
Aktivehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gPzmHgTyfp/20:05
towserdone I had to create a partition table then remove all partitons and make a new one, thank you and have a nice day everyone20:06
TJ-Aktive: which kernel is in use? "uname -r"20:08
Aktive5.0.0-32-generic20:08
ahilmanHello, I'm curious if someone can help me with SSH certificates and expiry...20:12
ahilmanI'm using Ubuntu 18.04 server and I have set up Smallstep CA's utilities to sign and act as the CA...20:12
ahilmanI have made a test certificate with my local machine and it works as expected. That is until I test an expired cert...20:12
ahilmanI see the server logs the certificate as expired, but immediately allows the login to proceed...20:12
ahilmanThe user's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file has already been deleted...20:12
ioriaAktive, have you tried to remove and reload the module (after resume, i mean) ?20:12
ahilmanAny ideas?20:12
ahilmanThe whole stack has been restarted20:12
ahilmanWhat module are you referring to?20:12
Aktiveno. I it doesnt show any networks. If thats what you mean20:13
TJ-Aktive: This may be the issue: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20256320:13
ubottubugzilla.kernel.org bug 202563 in Wireless "MT7630E after the computer is turn to "sleep mode": unable to reconnect to Wifi network" [Normal,New]20:13
Aktiveoh I see its new20:14
TJ-Aktive: I think the issue is "mt76x0e does not currently support suspend/resume. I will work on it soon"20:15
Aktiveoke so someone is working on it ?20:16
Aktiveshould I try those patches things ?20:17
Aktive@TJ-20:17
TJ-Aktive: unless you're used to working with kernel builds I wouldn't recommend it20:18
Aktiveoke. When he has fixed it. Will that be in my normal software updates ?20:19
TJ-Aktive:  looks like that module is being actively developed... as in, a work in progress. Since kernel v4.0 there have been 56 commits to it. So, I'd think testing with the v5.3 kernel might be worth it, which you can get via the HardWare Enablement stack20:25
TJ-!hwe | Aktive20:25
ubottuAktive: The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack20:25
ioriaAktive, can you try this : go to sleep ;  sudo modprobe -r mt76x0e mt76xx ; sleep 1; sudo modprobe mt76x0e mt76xx20:25
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de-factoHow can I enable displaying the desktop background picture on Gnome Shell expose?20:32
zzlatevhey guys, can you help me with something? I want to open .torrent files with transmission controler which is not installed on ubuntu.20:39
ioriade-facto, you can find some options in gnome-tweak -> appearance -> background -> adjesment20:40
ioria*adjestment20:40
OerHeks transmission controler??20:47
de-factoioria, yes background image is choosen there, yet expose is just gray :/20:48
de-factoprobably gnome is broken again with some upgrade20:48
Aktivehey20:53
Aktiveim back20:55
Aktive@iora a few minutes20:56
AktiveI am reading the explenation20:56
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aktivehey Im back21:08
aktive@TJ- I installed the HWE and rebooted and updated but still the problem s there21:14
aktive@ioria I did the commands I goth this21:15
aktivemodprobe: FATAL: Module mt76xx not found.21:15
aktivemodprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'mt76x0e': Operation not permitted21:15
sarnoldcheck dmesg21:16
aktive_I tried the hwe thing. I ded apt update and upgrade21:22
aktive_but still21:22
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aktive*i21:23
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JordiGHsnapd is eating my CPU. How can I see what it's doing?21:36
tioxIs there a fairly detailed "Idiot's guide" on signing a Ubuntu installation with SecureBoot?21:36
bpromptJordiGH:  you can try running htop or just "top"21:38
JordiGHUhm, that just tells me it's eating CPU.21:39
JordiGHI want to know why.21:39
Aktivewhat filesystem is my usb stick suppose to be when copying linux files and folders ?21:39
Aktiveext4 right ?21:40
akkAktive: Any format linux understands, which is lots of them.21:40
Aktiveyou know what happend? I copied project folders to the usb, which was ext4 and then the files, .py files were empty21:41
AktiveI have no idea21:41
AktiveI got so angry21:41
JordiGHLet's see what happens if we tell systemd to restart snapd.21:41
AktiveWhen i was about to use the project files I saw theyre empty21:42
Aktiveno warning nothing21:42
lordcirth_Aktive, that doesn't sound like a filesystem problem21:52
lordcirth_Aktive, what did you use to copy them? Did you safely eject/sync the USB?21:52
Aktivecopy and paste21:52
Aktiveand mostly yes21:53
lordcirth_"mostly"?21:53
Aktivemost of the time I ejected it safely21:53
lordcirth_What matters is whether you ejected it safely when you copied those files on.21:53
AktiveI will pay better attiontion next time. a lot of strange things happend21:54
Aktiveattention21:55
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jayjoI have an Apple Keyboard A1314 that is not connecting successfully to my ubuntu machine via bluetooth. Currently on Ubuntu 19.10, but I've had issues before22:06
jayjoI can see in bluetootctl that it just keeps connecting a reconnecting22:06
jayjoConnected: yes Connected: no Connected: yes Connected: no22:07
banisterfiendhi there, anyone here have experience with dual booting on a thinkpad?22:28
Aktivewhats the matter ?22:29
flogbanisterfiend: i've got dualbooting on my thinkpad t495. Never really boot into windows but I have the option.22:33
jayjoany ideas how I can further debug the bluetooth problem?22:36
de-factowhere can i set the background for gnome expose?22:37
de-facto... in Ubuntu 18.0422:38
OerHeksjayjo, all guides say it is simple, just..22:38
OerHeksif you get that 6 digit pin code, type that on the apple keyboard, not your current22:38
de-factoah it was Blyr extension going buggy, ok nevermind22:38
OerHeksif this does not work, try this manually pairing https://medium.com/@sysadminhelp/pairing-apple-magic-keyboard-2-with-kubuntu-18-04-also-applies-to-ubuntu-31c5bdb6fb7622:39
jayjoOerHeks I've done that, followed those guide and attempted the manual pair too.  Still no luck. In the past once it syncs it seems to be ok for a while, but I cant even see what's failing22:47
akkbanisterfiend: On my thinkpad I hardly ever have a need for windows, so I installed windows in virtualbox.22:51
akkoops, gone22:51
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yohomerHi all. Working on a multi-boot system, looking for some collaboration.23:08
yohomerFollowing the community/MultiOSBoot article23:08
yohomerall partitioned, with volumes on the MBR extended partition, and Win7 installed.23:09
yohomerSadly, the 9.0.4-server iso hangs up on the (second?) language prompt.23:11
yohomerIt seems that getting Grub1 into it's dedicated primary partition would be a very useful tool, aside from a full installer.23:12
sarnoldyohomer: what's 9.0.4?23:13
yohomerCurrent installers have a trouble with my MBR managed SSD disk[s] under a Gigabyte BIOS which supports uefi; it seems.23:13
yohomersarnold: ubuntu server version23:14
sarnoldyohomer: do you mean ubuntu 9.04? is there any particular reason why you're installing ten year old software?23:14
yohomerrecommended by the MultiOSBoot article for use of Grub1 for this particular purpose.23:14
yohomerhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiOSBoot23:14
yohomerIt's quite possible, even hopeful, that there's a better/easier more current method for multi-boot (not dual)23:15
rangergordHi. I made the mistake of installing mailx the other day, and now I'm trying to remove it. If I use apt remove, I'm told I can't remove it becaues it's a virtual package. I can't find out what package it's coming from. "apt-cache depends mailx" doesn't list anything but <mailx>.  "apt-file find mailx" doesn't list a single package that includes /usr/bin/mailx (I don't understand how). How did this thing get installed?23:16
rangergordThis is on ubuntu 16.0423:17
geniiyohomer: I currently have a USB stick which boots 27 versions of *buntu ISO live images, which is not hard to set up in GRUB2. You can also use GRUB to present PXE option to boot over the network, or even from a server somewhere out on the internet with iPXE23:17
akkyohomer: grub1 predated UEFI -- is there a reason to believe it's been updated to work on modern machines?23:17
akkAdmittedly grub1 was better at multi-boot than grub2, but that's something we have to put up with.23:18
yohomerMy SSD disk is not UEFI partitioned.23:19
geniiyohomer: You can also set GRUB up to boot a hard drive image and then keep multiple ones of those on a single partition23:20
sarnoldrangergord: dpkg -S `which mail` may help -- or ls -l /etc/alternatives/mail or similar23:20
rangergordI found it, was in mailutils. thx23:20
genii!info grub-imageboot | yohomer23:21
ubottuyohomer: grub-imageboot (source: grub-imageboot): boot iso, harddisk and floppy images with grub2 and syslinux memdisk. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.6 (eoan), package size 4 kB, installed size 42 kB23:21
yohomergenii: I'm starting with a Win7 installation; don't have a GRUB installed yet ;-} ... but do have a 100MB primary partition available and dedicated to that function23:21
akkyohomer: It will likely be a lot easier to get help if you stick to fairly current versions instead of 10-year-old ones that nobody has any more.23:22
yohomeris this article obsolete then? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiOSBoot23:23
geniiyohomer: akk is correct that the documentation you are using is very sadly out of date23:23
geniiYes, it is pretty much obsolete23:23
yohomerDo you know of a replacement strategy document for multi-boot (onto an existing Win7 platform) ?23:24
geniiyohomer: Don't worry about multibooting from Windows. The real work is done by GRUB and whichever linux you use to run update-grub with23:25
akkUsually, if you just run installers, grub2 will find existing linux installs and include them, though the boot menu may not be entirely ideal or put them in the best order23:25
akkbut you can fiddle with that after everything's up and running.23:25
UndefinedIsNotAFHi23:25
geniiGRUB will find your Windows install and just add it to the list of operating systems you have available23:25
yohomerI've done all the partioning.23:26
UndefinedIsNotAFhow i can install Fedora inside Ubuntu? Thanks23:26
genii!xnest | UndefinedIsNotAF23:26
UndefinedIsNotAFExcept VirtualBox, Vmware workstation.23:26
akk(plan on devoting way too much frustrating time if you're picky about what the grub menu actually shows, the order, the look of it, etc.)23:26
geniihm23:26
yohomerI can try the current iso install again however.23:26
UndefinedIsNotAFgenii: xnest is the name of a software?23:26
geniiUndefinedIsNotAF: xnest used to be a package available which you could install other linux versions into but run them on the same desktop23:27
geniiUndefinedIsNotAF: It seems it may have been removed23:27
sarnoldUndefinedIsNotAF: if you just need userspace you could use an lxd instance, something like: lxc launch images:fedora/31/amd64 f31   -- https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/getting-started-cli/23:27
libreWorldI like KVM/VirtManager for virtual machine tinkering23:27
geniiThe other alternative is xephyr23:28
sarnoldUndefinedIsNotAF: but if you want a vm, virt-manager is a good starting point23:28
libreWorldubuntu has wiki page on virtmanager23:28
yohomerWhile I'm here, ... any shoutouts for a recommended GUI "desktop" on ubuntu? Are they still called window managers?23:29
libreWorldthat is such a personal preference23:30
* yohomer been keypoking since CP/M23:30
rangergordyohomer: everyone has their favorite. I like MATE, it's pretty traditional (read: Windowsy).23:30
rangergordmove the toolbar to the bottom :P23:30
rangergordwhat's CP/M?23:31
libreWorldI like the toolbar at top23:31
yohomerlibreWorld: understood .... I'm just asking for personal preferences, not recommendations ;-} You're all off the hook on liability here.23:31
libreWorldI prefer gnome for a full blown desktop and than awesome wm for minimal23:32
yohomerrangergord: before DOS23:32
libreWorldi3-gaps seems pretty popular23:33
yohomerperfect response with the full v. minimal. Thank you!23:33
libreWorld:)23:33
rangergordlibreWorld: never heard of that. Why couldn't they just contribute upstream to make gaps a configurable option?23:34
libreWorldI dunno, I never messed with it so don't know much about the project23:34
UndefinedIsNotAFgenii: sarnold thanks23:34
akkyohomer: Desktops are actually different from window managers -- it's possible to run a window manager without the extra desktop parts (I do, but I wouldn't recommend it for someone new to Linux).23:35
yohomerI'm comfortable in linux CLI (terminal) .... minimum exposure to it's mouse dependent desktop variants23:36
rangergordyohomer: did you not use computers in the past 20 years? :)23:37
* yohomer former OS/2 dedicate23:37
yohomerit might seem that way ;-} ....23:38
yohomerI hung on to OS/2 way too long; concurrent with Debian servers (terminal) and minimum Win exposure for the kids etc.23:40
sarnoldUndefinedIsNotAF: you're welcome, have fun :)23:40
yohomerNow that the kids are old and moved on, I have to upgrade the formerly humming deb7 server, and face the imminent end of service for win7 (and I won't go to 10+)23:42
libreWorldgoing the zfs install route?23:42
yohomernever heard of it .... will investigate; thanks23:44
libreWorldit's experimental option available23:44
libreWorldavailable in the installer that is23:44
yohomerbut going to need to get ubuntu installed here on multi-boot first ;-}23:45
yohomerI have used sshfs before23:45
libreWorldit will be a piece of cake23:45
yohomerthe ubiquitous 'it'23:46
libreWorldseems like u can install ubuntu on a rock if ya wanted to23:46
yohomerwell, I'm going to divert my attention and go try again; thanks23:47
yohomerthinking over the last 20 years, .... I had a Motorola Photon smartphone which fit in my shirtpocket and had a slide out querty hardkey pad and terminal app suitable for remote server admin over secure vpn.23:52

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