[00:08] <Jagst3r15> Hi friends
[00:09] <Jagst3r15> I am curious, how come when I install the Official Mozilla Snap from the Ubuntu Software store on Ubuntu 18.04.3, I can watch DRM content, but when I use the build that comes with Ubuntu I can't watch DRM content even AFTER enabling it in Firefox?
[00:10] <OerHeks> not sure you need to logout/login after that firefox drm setting change..
[00:10] <Jagst3r15> hmm good idea
[00:11] <Jagst3r15> let me try that
[00:11] <OerHeks> and Step 2: Make sure that you have the required add-ons
[00:11] <OerHeks> https://itsfoss.com/netflix-firefox-linux/
[00:11] <Jagst3r15> ok
[00:11] <Jagst3r15> its very strange it works on the Snap provided by Mozilla
[00:11] <OerHeks> no, that page says restart FF is enough
[00:11] <Jagst3r15> but it does not work on the one that Ubuntu comes with from Canonical
[00:11] <Jagst3r15> ok ill try
[00:12] <OerHeks> check the contents of plugins in that snap vs apt install?
[00:12] <Jagst3r15> good idea
[00:12] <Jagst3r15> :)
[00:14] <Jagst3r15> or i can just use the official mozilla one and uninstall the canonical one haha
[00:34] <yesudeep> Hi. Does anybody here have a Microsoft Arc Mouse that works smoothly with Ubuntu? My wireless mouse appears to stop scrolling after a few minutes (perhaps some kind of power saving feature that turns it off?)
[00:41] <jjbuggle> im on 18.04.  Any opinions on whether or not it is worth upgrading to latest?
[00:42]  * eelstrebor sticks with LTS releases
[00:42] <Bashing-om> jjbuggle: New(er) hardware to support then yes - else no; 18.04 is LTS.
[00:43] <sarnold> jjbuggle: that's up to you, what you want your machine to do -- if you just want it to work, 18.04 LTS is probably the choice; if you're more interested in trying new things, then maybe upgrading is worthwhile
[00:46] <jjbuggle> well, my bluetooth headphones don't work with zoom, which is a very narrow and unusual bug, so i started thinking about it
[00:47] <sarnold> jjbuggle: have you fiddled with pavucontrol yet? that seems to solve most audio issues
[00:47] <jjbuggle> sarnold: yeah.  It just won't let me switch the zoom audio stream to the headphones.  it just does nothing
[00:48] <sarnold> dantg
[00:48] <Betal> maybe you can try on live usb if it works with new version
[00:48] <Betal> but iam not sure if it load all modules on live
[00:49] <Betal> I would create a virtual machine, usb passthrough the device to it and check if it works on the vm
[00:53] <jjbuggle> oh, I see what you are saying, boot a live usb of the latest.  That's a good idea
[00:59] <OerHeks> i use the blueman ppa for these BT A2dp audio switch issue
[01:08] <m5w> Hello.  How do I play a video on boot?  I tried making a crontab entry that plays the video with ffplay on @reboot, but it doesn't play.  If I pass ffplay the -nodisp argument, though, the sound does play, but I want to play a video.  I also tried setting DISPLAY=:0, but that didn't work either.
[01:11] <OerHeks> not possible until the xserver is running.
[01:11] <sarnold> m5w: hmm, cron doesn't feel like the right way there; if you set up auto login, you ought to be able to add something to your session to start playing there
[01:11] <OerHeks> and then you would have 3.8 seconds video :-D
[01:11] <OerHeks> and then login
[01:16] <m5w> OerHeks, yeah, I tried setting it up as a systemctl service first and having it require graphical.target, but it would always segfault
[01:33] <callipygous> What is Ubuntu like for touchscreen `slate` computers?
[01:36] <leonardus> My system wasn't booting so I added nomodeset to the boot options, and it was hanging at this screen for a few minutes, and now it's switching between this screen and "[hostname] login:" every few seconds. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mx4GlmF3/IMG_20191107_203504__01.jpg
[01:37] <leonardus> I can't even get into Ubuntu. I thought LTS was supposed to be stable.
[01:41] <bracham> It is supposed to be stable. Did it not even boot once after install?
[01:42] <sarnold> leonardus: do other virtual consoles work?
[01:42] <leonardus> It did, then it just suddenly broke.
[01:42] <leonardus> sarnold: No, it just keeps switching between those two screens.
[01:43] <leonardus> I can't seem to get out of it.
[01:43] <GostLy> did you select auto-login during the initial setup?
[01:43] <leonardus> No
[01:47]  * m5w sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ubfriFHSymBjiwxikmkFcWQB >
[01:49] <sarnold> m5w: ah! neat
[01:50] <leonardus> Am I going to have to reinstall Ubuntu completely?
[01:57] <sarnold> leonardus: probably not, but I don't know much about debugging video card issues
[01:59] <Mr_Tib100> Hello, I'm doing web dev on windows and recently switched to ubuntu. I noticed a headline font in ubuntu looks bold compared to windows. Is that expected?
[02:00] <leonardus> Mr_Tib100: screenshot?
[02:01] <Mr_Tib100> let me fire up my VM and take one
[02:01] <sarnold> Mr_Tib100: excellent question; I wonder if any of those services to 'view your website on 200 browsers' still exist any more or not.. now that there's only five or six of any size..
[02:02] <leonardus> Also, are you using the same browser (and version) on both OSs? And are they both using the same font?
[02:41] <Mr_Tib100> leonardus: Give me 5 more min to take the screenshot. I just installed a VM, LAMP and cloned a repo lol
[02:44] <pragmaticenigma> Mr_Tib100, Ubuntu installs free and open source fonts by default. Many websites, to differentiate themselves, purchase and use non-free or proprietary fonts. Many of those fonts require licenses to distribute with OS's, something Ubuntu doesn't include as it is offered for free. So when a font a website chooses is not available in Ubuntu, the web browser will choose a font that best approximates the desired font, based on
[02:44] <pragmaticenigma> information known. Typically starting with is the font a serif, sans-serif, monospace, or fantasy type font. It then substitutes a similar font for the one defined.
[02:45] <Mr_Tib100> leonardus, pragmaticenigma: here´s the screenshot. FF in WIN on the left and Mint on the right
[02:45] <Mr_Tib100> https://imgur.com/a/GmjQmFI
[02:46] <leonardus> looks like left is using a "-light" variant of some font which is not installed on ubuntu.
[02:46] <leonardus> on closer inspection, it looks like those are two entirely separate fonts.
[02:47] <Mr_Tib100> this is what I´m using
[02:47] <Mr_Tib100> https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.1/content/typography/#headings
[02:47] <Mr_Tib100> sorry, it is actually this one
[02:47] <Mr_Tib100> https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.1/content/typography/#display-headings
[02:47] <pragmaticenigma> Mr_Tib100, the Firefox screen shot on the right is using a basic sans-serif font. While the one on the left is using a non-free font
[02:47] <Mr_Tib100> Display headings
[02:47] <leonardus> it says right there: "Use a native font stack that selects the best font-family for each OS and device."
[02:47] <leonardus> they're just two different fonts, simple as that
[02:48] <leonardus> if you'd like to force a particular font, that's an option (one that I disagree with, but regardless, an option to make the site look more uniform across platforms)
[02:48] <leonardus> this is a question more suited for #web
[02:49] <pragmaticenigma> Also note Mr_Tib100 LinuxMint is not Ubuntu. Please try to keep your questions related to the Ubuntu OSs. While they may appear similar, they are significant design and implementation differences between the two that this channel is not meant to support.
[02:51] <Mr_Tib100> sorry about that
[02:52] <Mr_Tib100> thank you both for your answers though, you cleared up my questions
[03:20] <FurretUber> Hi, will siliconmotion support be removed for 20.04?
[03:23] <leftyfb> !ubuntu+1 | FurretUber
[03:24] <flog> When i run gnome-system-monitor i cant change to the resources or filesystem view. Any ideas?
[03:26] <flog> If i launch it from thet terminal i get dconf-warning : failet to commit changes to dconf
[03:26] <sarnold> flog: check dmesg; do you have a bunch of apparmor denials about snap gnome monitor thing?
[03:27] <flog> The error message is longer than suitable for irc, let me pastebin it.
[03:28] <flog> Might have something to do with that i tried out slim instead of gdm.
[03:30] <flog> sarnold:https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TTrZtMd8hK/
[03:31] <sarnold> flog: oh interesting, not what I expected
[03:31] <flog> That is when i launch gnome-system-monitor from the terminal.
[03:32] <flog> I am running i3, and used slim as login manager.
[03:33] <sarnold> flog: I *think* this is the place to report gnome system monitor on ubuntu bugs https://forum.snapcraft.io/categories
[03:42] <flog> sarnold:changed back to using gdm instead of slim but the error persists. I think that installing slim was the only change i did before starting to see the issue with gnome-system-monitor
[03:42] <flog> .
[03:43] <sarnold> flog: check snap's logs for gnome system monitor? maybe it was recently updated?
[03:50] <juanonymous> can someone show me how to install and run a mail server, also i wanted to add a private email, like for example ju@nonymous.me. can someone walk me trough? thank you
[03:52] <sarnold> juanonymous: hopefully useful to you https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/email-services.html
[03:53] <juanonymous> thanks sarnold
[04:03] <flog> sarnold: where wolud i find that?
[04:03] <aiena> Is there anything like pyshaper for modern ubuntu I'm interested in blocking internet traffic by process name
[04:04] <sarnold> flog: something like "snap info" I think
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> contact/maintainer info: snap info snapname yeah
[04:05] <sarnold> aiena: and if the process name changes, what would you like to happen?
[04:06] <aiena> i guess it would unblock
[04:07] <aiena> I ws looking at imjptables and curious. Can I block by changing the grup of a process to a group say called "nointernet"
[04:07] <aiena> at iptables
[04:07] <aiena> what about ufw not ao familiar with it.
[04:08] <sarnold> it'd be a bit difficult to put specific processes into specific groups for that to work
[04:08] <flog> lotuspsychje: just need to read up on some basics on snaps. Dont even know what it is yet :p
[04:08] <sarnold> ufw doesn't provide ways to block by program, just by ports used
[04:08] <sarnold> aiena: it wouldn't be too hard to smack an apparmor profile on a handful of programs, but there's no easy way to let the program get to the internet just by changing its process name
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> !snap | flog
[04:09] <sarnold> aiena: and apparmor wouldn't make it easy to block "the internet", just "no networking at all" -- which might be more than you suspect
[04:10] <aiena> by no networking you mean even IPC would halt
[04:10] <LinuxSL> guys quick question here, Linux is my second language so please be patient with me. I can't get an IP from my ISP. my netplan looks great but still can't get an IP. Is it something with UFW maybe?
[04:10] <aiena> most likely I think
[04:11] <sarnold> aiena: apparmor's controls are still a b it course: you could allow unix domain sockets, but eg if you wanted to block tcp off-host, you'd also have to block tcp on loopback too
[04:11] <aiena> LinuxSL you can rule out ifs by stopiing the daemon. systemctl stop ufw
[04:11] <aiena> *rule out ufw
[04:11] <aiena> after you stop the daemon see if you can get an ip
[04:13] <aiena> sarnold thanks, I will look into apparmor when I get home.
[04:20] <ryuo> LinuxSL: is it actually being applied?
[04:21] <ryuo> LinuxSL: and no, ufw shouldn't get in the way on the default settings.
[04:22] <ryuo> LinuxSL: though, you're not using a router? most of the time you get your IP over a LAN DHCP.
[04:26] <LinuxSL> thanks guys. I'm trying to build a router with 2 interfaces. currently I'm at work and won't be able to disable ufw to retry dhcp from isp
[04:26] <k_sze> Is there a way to list the *dependents* of a systemd unit (specifically, a service unit)
[04:27] <k_sze> e.g. i want to check what things depend on mysql.service.
[04:27] <k_sze> Some kind of systemctl command?
[04:27] <callipygous> How to get Ubuntu to rotate the screen when I tilt the tablet 90 degrees??
[04:27] <flog> sarnold: im not sure what sort of information im looking for about my gnome-system-monitor
[04:27] <sarnold> LinuxSL: it's unlikely to be ufw; check your logs, find out if you're using systemd's dhcp or if you're using dhcpcd or dhclient or whatever..
[04:27] <sarnold> flog: recent updates that you might be able to blame, maybe a place to file bugs..
[04:27] <LinuxSL> i think systemd-networkd or something like that from journalctl
[04:28] <LinuxSL> if I remember from this morning
[04:28] <LinuxSL> correctly ;)
[04:30] <LinuxSL> the weird thing I don't understand is during bootup, it froze for like 2 minutes while trying to get an IP from my ISP, then gave up then continue booting and then I see the login prompt
[04:31] <LinuxSL> why can't it just ok, no IP, i'm going to continue booting instead of hanging up on me for a good 2 minutes
[04:32] <joetohey> i want to make my ubuntu box a router. WIFI connects to the internet, and eth0 as local LAN. Any solution beside IP forwarding?
[04:33] <LinuxSL> long story short, I started my Linux journey about 20 days ago afte giving up on Hyper-V and windows server so unstable
[04:33] <LinuxSL> now i'm on esxi and a bunch of VMs running ubuntu
[04:34] <LinuxSL> learning almost everything from scratch and lots of googling
[04:34] <LinuxSL> first time I setup CUPS, took me a good 2 hours
[04:34] <LinuxSL> then SAMBA at least 6 hours
[04:34] <LinuxSL> LOL
[04:34] <LinuxSL> then homebridge, days
[04:34] <LinuxSL> then openvpn, a week
[04:35] <joetohey> linuxSL: have you done openstack, k8s, docker, centos admin,etc?
[04:35] <LinuxSL> now I'm facing with a new challenge, setting up a firewall
[04:35] <LinuxSL> zero what you said
[04:35] <joetohey> ah
[04:35] <LinuxSL> i might do docker next
[04:35] <joetohey> a firewall for what?
[04:36] <LinuxSL> i have a wifi router asus
[04:36] <joetohey> you are making a dedicated firewall?
[04:36] <LinuxSL> but i see the the cpu stat keep hitting 100% on core 1
[04:36] <LinuxSL> so I said, forget this router
[04:36] <LinuxSL> I'll let you do AP mode so your CPU don't crank
[04:36] <LinuxSL> and I'll run a VM for routing
[04:36] <LinuxSL> so that's where it began. LOL
[04:37] <LinuxSL> for now, since the ubuntu server VM isn't online because I can't figure out why dhcp don't work so I can get a public IP, I'm still using the asus router for now
[04:38] <LinuxSL> but that router is slow as hell
[04:38] <LinuxSL> 2 core and 1 core is constantly at 100%
[04:38] <joetohey> have you thought about the firmware on your router or exchanging it?
[04:38] <LinuxSL> my wifi speed sucks and I know it is because of the asus router
[04:38] <joetohey> it could be compromised
[04:38] <LinuxSL> no it's not too old and not too new
[04:39] <LinuxSL> asus ac68u
[04:39] <LinuxSL> latest firmware
[04:39] <joetohey> ah
[04:39] <LinuxSL> i don't even run openvpn on that router
[04:39] <joetohey> have you called up your cable service about it?
[04:39] <LinuxSL> otherwise i might as well have no internet at home if I do that
[04:39] <LinuxSL> why call them
[04:40] <LinuxSL> the asus router got an IP just fine
[04:40] <joetohey> sometimes they can help
[04:40] <LinuxSL> it's when I disconnect from the asus router and plug it into the ubuntu server is when i can't get an IP
[04:40] <joetohey> cuz sometimes they register your mac address
[04:40] <LinuxSL> no they don't
[04:40] <joetohey> ok. i've had that done to me.
[04:40] <LinuxSL> their router is in my garage collecting dust :)
[04:40] <LinuxSL> asus router doesn't even have the same MAC
[04:40] <joetohey> ok
[04:41] <callipygous> How to get Ubuntu to rotate the screen when I tilt the tablet 90 degrees??
[04:41] <LinuxSL> i might sell their router and make a few bucks since I don't even use it
[04:41] <joetohey> perhaps you can try a new router and return if it doesnt work.
[04:41] <LinuxSL> asus ac68u is not bad
[04:41] <LinuxSL> and can't return
[04:41] <LinuxSL> it's 2yrs old
[04:41] <joetohey> i mean.. try out a second one.
[04:41] <LinuxSL> go buy new one?
[04:41] <LinuxSL> why?
[04:42] <LinuxSL> when i can use ubuntu VM from my esxi server
[04:42] <joetohey> just make sure it's not your asus.
[04:42] <joetohey> ok. i guess you can do that.
[04:43] <joetohey> if you have problems only when you use your asus router. maybe you can get a second router to test that first one.
[04:44] <LinuxSL> yea but it would be cheaper for me to just get ubuntu working
[04:44] <LinuxSL> i don't have to drive anywhere
[04:44] <LinuxSL> or buy anything
[05:17] <flog> sarnold: solved it, dconf reset -f /org/gnome/gnome-system-monitor
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> i would like to measure the time of launching an application, any tips?
[05:58] <flog> The time it takes to launch?
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> yes
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> hexchat is taking some time, could be useful to measure for a bug
[05:58] <flog> ah
[05:59] <flog> Can you launch it with some verbose debugging?
[05:59] <flog> And check times in some log maybe?
[05:59] <HiddenDjinn> i just reinstalled xubuntu and it seems i'm having issues with thunderbird and gmail
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> flog: the manpage doesnt show a verbose option so it seems
[06:00] <HiddenDjinn> i get put into an authentication loop with thunderbird not catching the handoff from the google verification
[06:01] <HiddenDjinn> anyone know what may be causing that?
[06:02] <flog> lotuspsychje: does "time" give you the info you need?
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> flog: lets test
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> flog: yeah, tnx thats gonna be useful
[06:04] <flog> lotuspsychje: glad to help, without really knowing much :p
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> flog: dont worry im pre testing 20.04 here, not supported in here :p
[06:09] <flog> is that going to be the next lts?
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> flog: yes sir
[06:11] <flog> Cool.
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> flog: support in #ubuntu+1 if you want to know more of it
[06:12] <flog> ill read up on it
[06:12] <leden> lotuspsychje, hexchat is funny it is delay join channel or launch ...
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> leden: didnt see the problem on 18.04, its lagging now for launch only yeah
[06:13] <callipygous> How to get Ubuntu to rotate the screen when I tilt the tablet 90 degrees??
[06:14] <HiddenDjinn> callipygous, does ubuntu recognize the gyroscope sensor?
[06:15] <HiddenDjinn> flog, LTS comes out every other year
[06:15] <callipygous> not a clue, I've not had a tablet before
[06:15] <HiddenDjinn> flog, nominally, in april
[06:16] <HiddenDjinn> callipygous, well, if the sensor isn't recognized, it's not going to auto rotate
[06:16] <flog> HiddenDjinn: just recently got back to using linux after being on the two dark sides for 10 years.
[06:16] <HiddenDjinn> flog, and version numbers for ubuntu follow year.month of release(nominally)
[06:17] <flog> I must have been on ubuntu 6.04 or something.
[06:17] <flog> back then.
[06:19] <HiddenDjinn> flog, i was using slackware in the 6.xx era of ubuntu
[06:19] <HiddenDjinn> i first installed ubuntu at 8.04, iirc
[06:20] <flog> Well ubuntu wasnt geeky enough so i went with gentoo :p But now i dont really tinker so plain ubuntu but with i3 is sweet.
[06:20] <callipygous> HiddenDjinn, what would I look for? What is the sensor called?
[06:21] <callipygous> lsusb shows up 'Silicon Motion' .. whatever that is
[06:21] <HiddenDjinn> gyroscope or orientation
[06:21] <flog> silicon motion sounds promising though.
[06:21] <HiddenDjinn> it does
[06:22] <HiddenDjinn> flog, i was using slackware since the late 90s, so...yeah
[06:23] <HiddenDjinn> flog, i'm not proud that i stuck with it as long as i did
[06:23] <HiddenDjinn> flog, it was out of pure stubbornness
[06:24] <flog> DWasnt slackware kinda stable though?
[06:24] <HiddenDjinn> flog, it still is, but it's not exactly updated these days and you get weird issues with certain video cards and certain efi systems
[06:25] <libreWorld> is the slackware creator Patrick still active?
[06:25] <flog> callipygous: what tablet do you have? it is probably easier to google the make and model and if there is anyone using ubuntu/or any other distro for that matter.
[06:26] <HiddenDjinn> libreWorld, that's a good question
[06:26] <flog> Also silicon motion seems to be a graphics cards?
[06:26] <HiddenDjinn> libreWorld, i've lost track
[06:27] <callipygous> flog, I did look.  Doesn't seem the Samsung Slate 7 was that popular :(
[06:27] <libreWorld> yea me too, I know he battled health issues years ago
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> keep it ubuntu issue related guys
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> !chat
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> or #ubuntu-discuss
[06:28] <HiddenDjinn> lotuspsychje, you have any idea what would be causing thunderbird to go into an auth loop with google?
[06:29] <callipygous> From an arch wiki page:  "The Series 7 Slate, as far as I can tell uses a STMicroelectronics LSM303DLH Accelerometer/Magenetometer. "
[06:31] <flog> callipygous: the archwiki is usually really good. Looking at the same article as you and it does mention the use of some ubuntu stuff.
[06:31] <veegee> Hey any fibre channel guys in here?
[06:31] <libreWorld> I missed what DE he was talking about, but screen rotation usually has a setting in the Settings area, check that?
[06:32] <flog> callipygous: checkout the script for screen rotation in the article.
[06:34] <real-samurai> hello anybody
[06:35] <libreWorld> hi
[06:38] <real-samurai> greetings
[06:38] <r4u1> hello
[06:44] <real-samurai> I'm real-samurai from japan.
[06:44] <real-samurai> Samurais soul is 知恩報恩.
[06:44] <real-samurai> samurai feel kindness and return a favor.
[06:45] <real-samurai> 知恩報恩, Chi-on-hou-on, It is very difficult to translate into English.
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> only ubuntu issues here real-samurai
[06:47] <real-samurai> sorry.
[06:48] <real-samurai> I'm re-installing ubuntu server 18.04.3.
[06:50] <real-samurai> I failed on the first install, Featured Server Snaps too many.
[06:52] <joetohey> why not try out 19.10?
[06:52] <joetohey> they say that 19.10 runs faster than 19.04
[06:53] <joetohey> that was chinese: zhi eng bao eng: i recognize kindness and will repay kindness.
[06:56] <real-samurai> I put stability first for use at work.
[06:56] <real-samurai> can u read 知恩報恩?
[07:01] <real-samurai> 知恩報恩 Chi-on-hou-on has very different meanings China and Japan.
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> stop that real-samurai
[07:03] <real-samurai> sorry lotuspsychie
[07:28] <joetohey> yes,i can read that.
[07:28] <joetohey> oh. real samuari, you meant that in japanese>
[07:38] <tomreyn> real-samurai: if you have any ubuntu support questions, you'Re welcome to ask here. if you would like to discuss ubuntu related topics, #ubuntu-discuss is better suited. for social chat and other topics, there is #ubuntu-offtopic (but guidelines apply there, too).
[07:44] <real-samurai> I installed ubuntu server 18.04.3 and installing ubuntu-desktop.
[07:45] <real-samurai> i want try install ubuntu desktop japanese remix.
[07:46] <tomreyn> do you have a support question, though?
[07:47] <tomreyn> please note that "ubuntu desktop japanese remix" is probably not supported here.
[07:47] <tomreyn> (just by the name, i have never heard of it)
[07:49] <CQ> hello, I have my language set to US_en but a lot of locale settings (time, currency, etc.) to German, and I am getting applications opening in German, how can I change this?
[07:50] <CQ> all of the language settings seem to be correct
[07:50] <tomreyn> do you mean en_US.UTF-8?
[07:51] <tomreyn> note that locales can be set system wide but overridden on a user scope.
[07:52] <real-samurai> thanx CQ
[07:53] <CQ> tomreyn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JrtqBnbzb7/
[07:53] <tomreyn> CQ: see what i wrote above. also discuss how you configured your locales, and what "locale" outputs
[07:53] <tomreyn> CQ: what did you just post there?
[07:53] <CQ>  /etc/default/locale
[07:54] <CQ> locale outputs among others LANGUAGE=en_US:de ... I assume that's the culprit ?
[07:55] <tomreyn> yes, if you want those changes to apply system wide you should also set    LANGUAGE=de_DE:de   in /etc/default/locale
[07:55] <CQ> well, I want the language to be english, jsut numbers etc. de, so LANGUAGE=eu_US:en probably then?
[07:57] <CQ> tomreyn, how do I get the system to reread /etc/default/locale then after changing it?
[07:57] <tomreyn> yes, but also change LANG to en_US.UTF-8 then
[07:57] <CQ> LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
[07:57] <tomreyn> LC_CTIME LC_COLLATE LC_MESSAGES should also be set to "de_DE.UTF-8"
[07:57] <CQ> ...thats already set
[07:57] <tomreyn> ah right, sorry
[07:58] <tomreyn> to apply the changes, i think oyu need to logout and login
[07:58] <Intelo> HOw to increase ulimit? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/3qVvY3YdC4/
[07:59] <CQ> yeah, or just . /etc/default/locale  ...in every shell ;)
[08:01] <Intelo> ?
[08:02] <NiceKype85> hay, i have a problem with my ftp upload on my ubuntu server. Is here anyone who can help me?
[08:03] <tomreyn> NiceKype85: not unless you provide details
[08:03] <tomreyn> Intelo: run ulimit with the options listed in brackets
[08:03] <tomreyn> ...supplying new values
[08:03] <tomreyn> see also its man page
[08:03] <NiceKype85> I first ask that i dont must write in any chat the howl text :D
[08:04] <Intelo> tomreyn,  I did this: Is that ok?: sudo vim /etc/sysctl.conf
[08:04] <Intelo> # add the following line to it: fs.file-max = 65535
[08:06] <tomreyn> Intelo: syntactically i think that's fine, yes. a better place to put it wouldbe in a new file (with a name hinting that it contains local modifications) in /etc/sysctl.d/
[08:06] <NiceKype85> I installed vsftpd on my ubuntu 18.04 server. I activated much options from some install instructions. And i can connect without problems. But i cant up- or download anything. Firewall and ports are correct. I tried to change some settings, i tried to reinstall, but nothing helps
[08:07] <Intelo> tomreyn,  ok, What I did would be permanent to all users and dont need a system restart?
[08:08] <tomreyn> Intelo: yes, after you ran    sysctl -p[FILE]
[08:08] <tomreyn> specify the [FILE] in case you placed it in /etc/sysctl.d/
[08:09] <tomreyn> otherwise, for sysctl.conf, you can omit [FILE]
[08:10] <tomreyn> NiceKype: is ftp the correct protocol? most people should prefer sftp (via openssh) nowadays.
[08:11] <NiceKype> a colleague from work told me that normal ftp works better. And i tried sftp first but that dont work too
[08:11] <tomreyn> "don't work" is not the most preferred way to describe problems around here, in case this is somethign you'd like to solve.
[08:11] <tomreyn> if you still think you must use ftp, make sure you check your log files about what's failing. vsftpd takesa while and dedication to configure the first time around.
[08:12] <tomreyn> on the other hand, there are a *lot* of guides on it online.
[08:12] <NiceKype> logs was the first way for me, but there is nothing usefull. Only a correct connection, nothing with up- or download
[08:13] <NiceKype> I followed the guides and searched on very much sites but found NOTHING helpfulö
[08:13] <NiceKype> helpful*
[08:13] <tomreyn> are you transferring in active or passive mode?
[08:15] <NiceKype> i dont know what that means
[08:15] <Intelo> tomreyn,  I just ran sudo sysctl -p
[08:15] <ryuo> NiceKype: sftp isn't using ftp. it's over ssh (port 22). ftps is the ssl version of ftp.
[08:15] <tomreyn> NiceKype: then you did not read enough documentation, yet.
[08:16] <tomreyn> Intelo: that's fine with me!
[08:16] <NiceKype> in not one of the install instructions was anything about active and passive
[08:16] <NiceKype> ryuo but why i can connect with ftp to that?
[08:18] <NiceKype> with sftp i cant connect
[08:18] <ryuo> yet... you can use ssh?
[08:18] <NiceKype> sure but not with the ftp user
[08:18] <ryuo> uh...
[08:19] <tomreyn> hmm, you may have followed bad guides if they don't mention active/passive transfers (maybe post which one you followed). i'll have to leave it there for now, maybe others can help if you'll sum it up again.
[08:19] <NiceKype> i cant post it, i read more then 10 guides. first pages on google
[08:19] <ryuo> NiceKype: what 'sftp' client are you using?
[08:19] <NiceKype> cyberduck
[08:19] <ryuo> what the?
[08:20] <NiceKype> mac:D
[08:21] <ryuo> can you try the command line version?
[08:21] <flog> I used to use cyberduck too on os x. Had no issues using it against vsfptd
[08:21] <ryuo> you should be able to use sftp against your regular login account.
[08:22] <ryuo> if that works then there's probably something wrong with the user account.
[08:25] <NiceKype> user is in www-data and the folder are owned by www-data + i tried much rights settings 744, 755, 777
[08:25] <NiceKype> and i tried to give the user itself the ownership
[08:26] <NiceKype> tomreyn i looked again and on ubuntu.com itself there is nothing about active and passive ^^
[08:27] <flog> what ftp server are you trying to use?
[08:27] <NiceKype> ryou its definitly ftp. In service its active as vsftpd FTP server
[08:27] <NiceKype> flog vsftpd
[08:29] <Intelo> tomreyn,  I mean, it will impose? No need to give [FILE]?
[08:40] <geirha> or perhaps switch to git...
[08:45] <NiceKype> xD i tested tp put the pam_service again to vsftpd. That broke the connection again. Switched back to ftp and know i still cannot up- or download but i see the howl server folders not only the home folder :O
[08:48] <NiceKype> no options?
[08:50] <elias_a> I'm sorry to ask same question again but what is the logic in some applications appearing on 18.04 desktop with an icon among frequently used apps and others do not. I do not understand why Gedit which I use in every single session is not shown in frequently used applications on desktop.
[08:52] <NiceKype> okey then thanks for the "help" 🙄
[09:05] <Santaliz14> Hi. Can anyone help out a noob? I need to use Linux for a project, and everything was going fine. I attempted to attach another volume to the filesystem, which I think is successful. I rebooted, and now I am stuck on "Welcome to GRUB!" "error: variable 'prefix' isn't set." Any ideas? Highly appreciated
[09:05] <Santaliz14> By the way, not sure If it was even related to that.. I just think that was the only thing I did which could have caused it
[09:06] <mgedmin> when you say you attempted to attach another volume, do you mean you pluged in another hard drive?
[09:06] <mgedmin> maybe the BIOS/UEFI is now tring to boot from it, instead of your main drive?
[09:07] <mgedmin> so the first thing to check would be boot order in the BIOS setup
[09:07] <Santaliz14> It's a VPS, I created a filesystem for it, created mountpoint, mounted the volume (and then I tried to add it in 'fstab' to mount on startup).. Okay I'll check that, one second. Thanks btw.
[09:07] <mgedmin> oh, a VPS?  interesting; I wouldn't expect boot order problems on a VPS
[09:08] <mgedmin> have you touched the grub config in any way?
[09:08] <Santaliz14> Nope, not at all.
[09:08] <mgedmin> where did you mount the new volume?
[09:09] <Santaliz14> "mount "/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-0Linode_Volume_CW-DE-003-VOLUME-" "/mnt/CW-DE-003-VOLUME-""
[09:09] <Santaliz14> just followed the Linode guide, heh
[09:09] <mgedmin> k, that looks fine
[09:10] <Jonopoly> is there away to run apt install and find the size?
[09:11] <Jonopoly> atm.. it's already installed but i want to see how big it is
[09:12] <flog> Jonopoly: apt show <package>
[09:12] <mgedmin> Jonopoly: apt show packagename will show you an Installed-Size, which is a bit of an approximation
[09:13] <Santaliz14> mgedmin heh, any idea then? I added this line to fstab '/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-0Linode_Volume_CW-DE-003-VOLUME- /mnt/CW-DE-003-VOLUME- ext4 defaults,noatime,nofail 0 2' and then rebooted, but then the boot broke.. I removed it from fstab again, but still same result
[09:13] <mgedmin> Santaliz14: how are you editing fstab if you can't boot?
[09:15] <Santaliz14> Linode VPS, so you have CLI and then GUI. GUI part broke after this, doesn't boot to desktop anymore. So I am stuck with only CLI.
[09:15] <zoid> Question... why is vi included with Ubuntu, but not vim?
[09:15] <cocof> is latest mc from ubuntu safe to use?
[09:15] <cocof> it used to have some vulns in 2014.
[09:16] <Jonopoly> Thanks guys
[09:16] <mgedmin> zoid: it's included, just not installed by default
[09:16] <mgedmin> Santaliz14: that doesn't really make sense to me!
[09:16] <tomreyn> cocof: can you name one, by CVE ID?
[09:19] <tomreyn> cocof: looking at https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=219 the latest one seems to be from 2005
[09:20] <Santaliz14> mgedmin okay, well thanks anyway, heh
[09:21] <zoid> mgedmin: but nano is preinstalled... questions... lol
[09:26] <tomreyn> Intelo: "sysctl -p" (without the file argument) will read and apply configurations from /etc/sysctl/sysctl.conf *only* (so not from sysctl.d/*)
[09:26] <tomreyn> but yes, you can run it like this, as its man page tells.
[09:27] <tomreyn> arguments given in [square brackets] are optional
[11:12] <Guest_76> Hi, how would I go about getting this into an image if no image has it baked in already. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curtin/+bug/1849322  would really like ot test with that version of curtin..
[11:17] <galados> I've experienced some frequent disconnections from my university's network "eduroam" which is a widely used network in most universities, and colleges.. the first time I connect after booting it works but then it drops after a couple mins/secs and I can't rejoin it. my wifi card is: BCM4352Z. the network is WPA2 Enterprise
[11:30] <jeremy31> galados, do it show power management on in results for iwconfig
[11:33] <galados> jeremy31: power management is off
[11:35] <jeremy31> galados: is there a 2 or a 3 in results for>  cat /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[11:36] <galados> jeremy31: wifi.powersave = 2
[11:38] <jeremy31> galados: I dont have much time now, but have you tried setting a BSSID in network manager settings?
[11:40] <galados> jeremy31: yes, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt reconnect, but the connection is stable on my phone and my friends' laptops
[11:45] <Norux> galados: Not sure if this is relevant to the problem, but at our university there's often problems with the certificates. We have an installer script: https://cat.eduroam.org/?idp=5066.
[11:50] <Norux> galados: According to your IP, this might be useful? https://cat.eduroam.org/?idp=5066
[12:05] <gvvg__> Hi - I'm afraid I've broken my ubuntu 18.04 box - it won't boot after I tried to delete an lvm partition - it wasn't the boot partition and didn't seem to be used but now when I boot it drops to busybox (intitramfs) don't know what to do? any help would be appreciated I'm stuck
[12:06] <mgedmin> when you say you deleted a partition, how exactly did you do it?
[12:07] <blueingress> Hi, I had problem to install the package ufraw on ubuntu_19.10, with the error "E: Package 'ufraw' has no installation candidate", any one can help?
[12:07] <gvvg__> mgedmin - I tried with fdisk but it said it was busy so I don't even know what I did
[12:07] <gvvg__> it seemed to say it was busy so I thought no harm done and rebooted now it won't boot
[12:07] <mgedmin> gvvg__: ok, next time don't do that without removing the physical volume from the lvm volume group first
[12:08] <gvvg__> right - note taken
[12:08] <gvvg__> can I fix this?
[12:08]  * mgedmin is now googling furiously
[12:08] <gvvg__> it looked like the LVM partition was not used at all
[12:09] <mgedmin> this should be recoverable, but I suspect you'll neet to boot into a live session from a usb key or something
[12:09] <gvvg__> ok I can do that
[12:09] <mgedmin> ideally you should be able to recreate the partiton at exactly the right place, undoing your change
[12:10] <mgedmin> (the "device busy" from fdisk means that the partition table was written, but the running kernel is unable to update /dev/sdXY devices to point to the new partition layout because some of the partitions are in use
[12:10] <mgedmin> )
[12:11] <mgedmin> now, in order to re-create the partition at the exact location, hmm, I don't suppose you had the fdisk output backed away somewhere before you started playing?
[12:11] <mgedmin> I wonder if there are tools like testdisk that can find the boundaries of LVM PVs by inspecting unpartitioned space
[12:11] <mgedmin> you could try to create a partition matching the unpartitioned space exactly and hope it works
[12:12] <mgedmin> (if you have precious data on the drive with no backups, make a full disk image as a backup first!)
[12:15] <CrazyEddy> Quick question guys, what should I do to solve this gpg error when I run do-release-upgrade?
[12:18] <tomreyn> which?
[12:18] <gvvg__> mgedmin: when I try and boot the image - there is no live option - even though live is in the name of the image
[12:19] <mgedmin> gvvg__: are you booting the -live-server image?  I think you can get a shell with Alt+f2
[12:19] <gvvg__> mgedmin: it starts the install right away asking for language and keyboard then install ubuntu
[12:19] <tomreyn> blueingress: did you run    sudo apt update    beforehand?
[12:20] <tomreyn> blueingress: actually, this package is not available on 19.10, so installing it is not an option.
[12:22] <gvvg__> mgedmin: I'm booting gparted live now
[12:23] <gvvg__> it shows that I deleted the partition :( so I don't know what to do :(
[12:27] <tomreyn> blueingress: the reasoning for removal (off debian unstable/"sid", and as a result of this, off ubuntu 19.10) is discussed here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=931725
[12:29] <mgedmin> gvvg__: you need to create a new partiton at exactly the same disk offset and size where the deleted partition was
[12:29] <mgedmin> gvvg__: and you need to make sure not to format it, nor wipe it
[12:30] <mgedmin> gvvg__: you can set the partition type to 0x8e (Linux LVM)
[12:31] <mgedmin> gvvg__: also make sure you have backups of anything valuable on that disk before you mess with it any more
[12:31] <mgedmin> gvvg__: (take a disk image if you haven't made backups earlier and there's precious data on there)
[12:31] <gvvg__> I"m afraid I've done too many things to screw this up - I expanded the hard disk before and now I can't choose the proper size anymore - I will have to forget this
[12:31] <gvvg__> I have to be more careful in the future
[12:32] <mgedmin> .. how do you expand a hard disk?
[12:32] <mgedmin> do you mean you expaned one of the other partitions?
[12:32] <gvvg__> it's a vmware esxi
[12:33] <gvvg__> I changed the hd size from 100GB to 200GB
[12:33] <gvvg__> then deleted the partition
[12:33] <gvvg__> so now I can't create the partition exactly the same way
[12:34] <gvvg__> is there anyway to explore the unparitioned disk to find filesystems or files?
[12:37] <mgedmin> ahh
[12:37] <mgedmin> testdisk
[12:38] <mgedmin> it's not a problem if you recreate a bigger LVM partition, as long as its beginning matches... I think...
[12:38] <mgedmin> yeah, it's not raid; lvm stores the metadata at the beginning of the partition
[12:39] <mgedmin> you can then extend it later with pvresize if you manage to recover
[12:39] <mgedmin> reinstalling might be quicker if you don't have any data you're afraid of losing
[12:40] <mgedmin> otoh recovery might be a fun realistic exercise of gaining sysadmin skills if you're inclined in that direction
[12:41] <TJ-> On 19.10 any idea what package is responsible for creating $HOME/.pEp* dirs/files ?
[12:43]  * mgedmin hasn't ever seen such dirs/files
[12:45] <sonOfRa> TJ-: guessing from the name, Pretty Easy Privacy. Default-enabled in modern thunderbird versions if you use PGP, I think
[12:45] <TJ-> Ahhh, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Easy_privacy
[12:47] <TJ-> Right, so it is a by-product of Enigmail extension to Thunderbird
[12:47] <sonOfRa> I would assume so, yes.
[12:49] <gvvg__> mgedmin: thank you for all your help
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:29] <Jonopoly> is there an library that can convert word to pdf?
[13:29] <Jonopoly> that's very light-weight
[13:31] <Santaliz> I'm trying to run a VM, from vmware running on Ubuntu. Getting this error 'This host does not support AMD-V. This host does not support "AMD RVI" hardware assisted MMU virtualization' - could I enable AMD-V somehow, to solve this?
[13:35] <Cheez> that's usually a cpu feature enabled within the host computers bios / uefi settings.
[13:35] <Santaliz> cheez: Meaning my computer? Would I be able to change that from the BIOS settings then?
[13:35] <Santaliz> Sorry, quite a noob in this
[13:37] <Cheez> yes, the exact hows of doing so depend on the motherboard etc. it does depend on your cpu actually having those features too, which depends how old it is.
[13:38] <Santaliz> Cheez: Okay, thank you!
[13:58] <Intelo> How do I check how many ram slots I have, which slot has how much ram and which slots are free?
[13:59] <Cheez> dmidecode -t memory
[14:01] <Norux> Intelo: Open your PC :^)
[14:02] <Intelo> Cheez, Norux  it shows number of devices 2. So thats where the ram is. How many are free?
[14:03] <Norux> There will be some entries saying Size: No module installed
[14:04] <Norux> See 2nd and 4th entry for my pc https://termbin.com/1vxr
[14:05] <tarzeau> how do people prevent ubuntu/canonical destroying cuda calculations/x sessions with nvidia-dkms-* updates (automatic updates)?
[14:08] <mgedmin> disable automatic updates?  or blacklist some packages from being updated, there are plenty of configurable knobs in /etc/apt/conf.d/*unattended*
[14:14] <pizzaiolo> if i'm connected to a network on both wire and wifi and use the built-in VPN client, does that apply to all my connections or specific ones?
[14:15] <sonOfRa> Jonopoly: lightweight not really. But libreoffice has a headless mode and can convert doc to pdf via command line
[14:16] <TJ-> pizzaiolo: in general the PVN isn't tied to a particular interface. It uses the routing table to determine how to reach the remote end of the tunnel
[14:16] <mgedmin> pizzaiolo: depends on the VPN connection configuration: does it set a default route, or does it specify a list of routes for specific IP subnets
[14:16] <TJ-> pizzaiolo: usually there will be an added specific route to the remote end which may well specify an egress interface
[14:17] <pizzaiolo> alright, i'll have to check the tutorial i used to set this all up. it's a bit out of my league tbh
[14:17] <pizzaiolo> ty TJ- & mgedmin
[14:18] <TJ-> pizzaiolo:  think of it like this: a tunnel from A to B that carries all traffic cannot carry its own traffic, so there has to be a specific route for B in A's routing table
[14:21] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello, I need to copy a large amount of data to two hard drives (millions of files) and it takes time. Is there a way that one copy command copies the source to two hard drives in parallel? thanks
[14:23] <TJ-> Mr_Cyclops: the obvious answer is, are the target devices already formatted with file-systems with existing files - because if not you could make them a RAID-1 mirror, copy to the mirror, then break the mirror apart into 2 separate devices after (and altering the UUID of 1 file-system to prevent collisions)
[14:25] <Mr_Cyclops> target are blank ... I tried to create a RAID1 mirror via mdadm
[14:25] <Mr_Cyclops> and tried to copy some data
[14:25] <Mr_Cyclops> but not sure how to break and the UUID step, can you provide details... thanks
[14:32] <TJ-> Mr_Cyclops: It's a while since I did it, so experiment on non-critical data, but I think it's "mdadm --grow --raid-devices=1 /dev/mdX /dev/sdY" to shrink a mirror to a single device /dev/sdY. I'm trying to recall how I then created a 'new' RAID array also with one device using the just-removed /dev/sdZ
[14:32] <TJ-> Mr_Cyclops: It might be easier to use LVM rather than mdadm, which can do similar things but more seamlessly, with RAID mirrors
[14:37] <Mr_Cyclops> TJ-, thank you, let me experiment with that ... appreciate your help
[14:42] <gjt343> Currently have Postgres11 installed on Windows and switched over to trying to code through WSL/VS Code.  Do I need to install Postgres through Ubuntu also?  I tried command in VSCode/WSL terminal "sudo -u postgres psql postgres" and it says "sudo: unknown user: postgres    sudo: unable to initialize policy plugin"
[14:42] <gjt343> sorry for the newb question.  I'm new to Linux, etc
[14:43] <Mr_Cyclops> gjt343, sudo is  used to run a command as superuser and apt install to install the package
[14:43] <Mr_Cyclops> so you could try
[14:43] <Mr_Cyclops> sudo apt install postgres ... etc
[14:44] <Milencho> gjt343, if you want to use the info from Windows/Postgre - first u have to make backup and import it on the new installed (on ubuntu) postgre
[14:45] <gjt343> ok, so I guess the answer is yes.  I already have Postgres installed through Windows but I guess they don't mix
[14:45] <gjt343> milencho: ok, thanks.  It was a totally newb question.  Makes sense that same app doesn't work on two different environments
[14:47] <mgedmin> the sudo -u postgres trick is to make use of unix userid authentication for the local postgresql in your linux environment
[14:47] <mgedmin> if you want to use psql on linux to talk to a postgresql server running elsewhere, specify the hostname/port as command-line arguments to psql
[14:47] <mgedmin> (you will have to install psql)
[14:47] <mgedmin> also I'm not familiar with WSL, but I assume apps in it can talk to windows apps on the same machine over TCP?
[14:48] <Ecko_> It depends on the program
[14:48] <gjt343> mgedmin: honestly really don't know.  That's way above my understanding.  I'll install postgres on WSL to make it less painful
[14:49] <Ecko_> For example, MySQL in WSL is accessible by everything else you're running in Windows
[14:49] <gjt343> I plan to run through a Ubuntu server eventually anyway so I have to learn the Linux code and how to operate in Linux environment
[14:49] <Ecko_> postgres probably too, but never tried
[14:49] <mgedmin> gjt343: good strategy
[14:51] <Milencho> gjt343, installing PostgreSQL will be easy for you - there are a lot of tutorials/sites
[14:57] <vlt> Mr_Cyclops: Another idea: I’d propably not use raid but read the files once using tar and then use tee to split the resulting stream to two extracting tar processes :)
[14:57] <vlt> Mr_Cyclops: (Or just write the tar file. Depends on your requirements.)
[15:19] <jforman> hi all, i'm trying to setup ldap authentication between two ubuntu VMs, but on the server i see this in the slapd logs "slapd[1435]: <= mdb_equality_candidates: (uniqueMember) not indexed". i cannot for the life of me find the right docs to explain how to fix this. any help?
[15:22] <TJ-> jforman: has the index changed? does it need to be rebuilt (slapindex) ?
[15:23] <jforman> TJ-, this is from a completely fresh install with one user added.
[15:23] <jforman> if the index changed, i didnt do it intentionally. /me looks into slapindex
[15:23] <TJ-> jforman:  I'm judging by the "(uniqueMember) not indexed"
[15:25] <TJ-> jforman:  hmmm, seems like it cannot be indexed and the warning is just that, see this thread and both follow-ups that each explain an aspect of it  http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-technical/201506/msg00067.html
[15:26] <jforman> yeah, slapindex looks to rebuild the index (no errors), but still when i try to ssh into the client machine, i get bounced immediately (without a password prompt) and the same log message on the server. /me reads
[15:28] <jforman> hmmm so its a warning, more than anything. so perhaps something wrong with my configuration
[15:28] <TJ-> jforman: if the ssh connection is terminated (what does ssh -vvv show?) could that be due to the client's pam_ldap config?
[15:28] <jforman> yeah, that is what i am thinking. still digging
[15:35] <jforman> TJ-, sigh yeah. looks like it might be configuration. 1) i had password-based logins disabled, so it was failing since it never allowed the user. now just need to figure out why the user isnt being allowed to login. thanks for the sanity check
[15:36] <TJ-> jforman: auth.log should be tracking that now
[15:37] <TJ-> jforman: strangely I just noticed on 18.04 that journald isn't keeping any syslog 'auth' entries (e.g. "journalctl SYSLOG_IDENTIFIER=auth" comes up blank)
[16:18] <jforman> TJ-, yeah, i am dealing with that too. cannot seem to get password auth working, and like you found, nothing in the journal
[16:18] <Ellipsis753> Hi. I added a new user via "adduser", but don't seem to be able to ssh to that user. I've created a .ssh/authorized_keys for the new user, but no luck. Is there another step to allow someone to ssh to the user?
[16:19] <akk> On eoan, something is mounting partitions on my disk under /media/myusername/UUID. It's not the desktop (I'm not running one).
[16:19] <akk> What's mounting them? How do I disable it?
[16:20] <akk> Maybe gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor and/or udisksd?
[16:21] <lordcirth_> Ellipsis753, look in /var/log/auth.log for errors
[16:21] <lordcirth_> You might need to fix the permissions on .ssh/authorized_keys, sshd is picky
[16:27] <Ellipsis753> lordcirth_: Permissions fixed it. Thanks.
[16:28] <lordcirth_> great
[16:33] <crazymax> hello can i install arduino ide on lubunut?
[16:33] <crazymax> lubuntu?
[16:34] <lordcirth_> crazymax, sudo apt install arduino
[16:35] <crazymax> how about installing it from web page?
[16:35] <crazymax> lordcirth_, ?
[16:35] <lordcirth_> crazymax, why would you do that?
[16:35] <lordcirth_> Do you need a newer version?:
[16:35] <crazymax> i think that app is latest from web
[16:35] <crazymax> yeah
[16:36] <crazymax> correct
[16:36] <crazymax> most people want it
[16:36] <leftyfb> !latest | crazymax
[16:37] <akk> Arduino doesn't change that often, though; most people are fine with one that's a year or two old.
[16:37]  * akk tends to install arduino from arduino.cc then forget to update it for 5 years
[16:37] <crazymax> anyway it is not good to download from web?
[16:37]  * akk should probably just use apt instead
[16:37] <crazymax> ah
[16:39] <lordcirth_> crazymax, you should install from the default repositories unless you have a specific reason to do otherwise
[16:40] <crazymax> ok then apt install arduino ok?
[17:20] <Ozi> Does anyone know of a hex editor which also shows the file system also
[17:21] <Ozi> Like used for forensics
[17:25] <sarnold> flog: excellent :) not at all what I expected to fix it.. nice. thanks :)
[17:26] <vlt> Ozi: Not all of your requirements but mc can navigate files structure and has a hex viewer.
[17:26] <Ozi> Mc?
[17:27] <Ozi> Sorry I'm not at my laptop right now
[17:27] <Ozi> Could you parse me a link
[17:27] <TJ-> !info mc ~ Ozi
[17:27] <TJ-> grrr
[17:27] <TJ-> !info mc | Ozi
[17:28] <Ozi> Thanks
[17:28] <Ozi> I'll av a look
[17:33] <fritzroy15> hello, is a restart necessary on ubuntu after changing overcommit_setting and overcommit_ratio?
[17:35] <fritzroy15> i'm looking into fixing an issue with Postgres getting killed off because of memory usage
[17:36] <fritzroy15> the "Kill process or sacrifice child" error
[17:41] <ash_worksi> when someone asks "what flavor of 'find'" -- how do I find that out? The reason it's confusing is because I have often done something like `man read` and not gotten any options like you might see here: http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_man_pages/readh.html
[17:42] <TJ-> ash_worksi: flavour would generally mean POSIX / GNU / Mac and so on
[17:43] <TJ-> ash_worksi:  those affect which options and argument handling to expect
[17:45] <dax> for "read" specifically: it's a bash builtin, if you're using bash you probably want "help read"
[17:45] <fritzroy15> hello, I have the following issue happening on a postgres-11 db: https://gist.github.com/paul-lupu/b89ab1ca3a62be43e115973d02f67977 the instance has 8GB usable memory, so I don't understand how this is happening; the only thing that comes to mind is that the overcommit_memory setting being set to 0 is causing this; any opinion?
[17:46] <ash_worksi> okay, well there have been other times where I'll man something and I'm getting the wrong man
[17:47] <ash_worksi> how can I resolve what command I'm working with to it's actual manual?
[17:47] <ash_worksi> (I  know that sometimes you append a number I guess)
[17:47] <ash_worksi> (but I don't know how to find said number)
[17:48] <ash_worksi> also will `info find` relate specifically to the command executed by `which find` ?
[17:48] <ash_worksi> or can that be somewhat arbitrary (like I just explained with man?)
[17:49] <lenny_lemon> sometimes my system does not want to shutdown or restart... systemctl poweroff.target failed blah blah... restart or reboot same...
[17:50] <lenny_lemon> shutdown now or systemctl start poweroff does not work either...
[17:51] <TJ-> lenny_lemon: which Ubuntu release?
[17:51] <lenny_lemon> ubuntu 16.04
[17:52] <TJ-> ash_worksi:  see "man man-pages" where it explains the section numbers
[17:53] <TJ-> lenny_lemon:  there was a systemd bug causing a race condition on shutdown - not sure if it was present, or fixed, in 16.04 though. However, it might not be systemd causing the fault... possibly some unit it is waiting on isn't stopping
[17:54] <ash_worksi> TJ-: are you sure I'm just not reading the right section rather than the right manual?
[17:54] <lenny_lemon> TJ, tried ps aux | grep suspend and kill that process but did not help...
[17:55] <lenny_lemon> TJ, but I remember I found some command with systemctl and it forced and did shutdown system but cannot find it anymore...
[17:57] <TJ-> ash_worksi: once you know the section numbers, you can do "man <section-number> <name>" e.g. "man printf" vs "man 3 printf"
[17:58] <TJ-> lenny_lemon: journal ought to capture something about it, unless whatever it is happens after journald and file-systems are unmounted
[18:01] <lenny_lemon> TJ, could be systemctl --force reboot ? don't know how to use journal...
[18:03] <lenny_lemon> my system running low space... using cryptswap. how can I remove it and expand partition for system?
[18:03] <lenny_lemon> I think I need to copy home folder right?
[18:04] <lenny_lemon> probably create new user...
[18:31] <bubbely> can someone point me to the correct BIOS settings for aorus z370 5 mobo so i can run ubuntu ?
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> bubbely: whats going on exactly?
[18:32] <bubbely> i havent begun the install yet, i just wanted to know figuring something *might* go wrong :p
[18:32] <bubbely> is it safe to say optimized defaults will work?
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> bubbely: we dont know what you want yet, are you going to singleboot or dualboot?
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> bubbely: The configuration of your bios has little impact to what the operating system can do. The BIOS is there to get the computer started, after that the opersating system takes over
[18:34] <lenny_lemon> bubbely, lenovo?
[18:34] <bubbely> honestly i just need to boot into an os that i can view the EFI partition of a SATA harddrive so i can copy the Clover folder to repair my hackintosh build
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> bubbely: Make sure that your BIOS is properly configured to the specifications of your computer
[18:34] <lenny_lemon> make sure you disable secure boot first
[18:35] <bubbely> what format should i format my USB stick to
[18:39] <genii> ESP/EFI partitions are FAT32
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> !usb | bubbely
[18:46] <bubbely> doesnt say if i should format the USB to NTFS/exFat/APFS etc
[18:49] <rigel_> does the first column in /etc/hosts have to be an ip address? or can i put in another domain name to effectively alias it
[18:51] <rigel_> my university provides two domains for a server, ilab.university.local and ilab.university.edu (both only work on campus wifi), but only ilab.university.edu can be reliably resolved into an ip for some reason. can i alias ilab.university.local to ilab.university.edu without having to hardcode an ip address?
[18:51] <bubbely> hi guys i just created a USB bootdrive and attempted to load it but the screen is just black after i chose to boot from it
[18:52] <rigel_> like a column like this: `ilab.university.edu ilab.university.local`, instead of having to do this: `172.xx.xx.xx ilab.university.local`
[18:52] <rigel_> s/column/line/
[18:53] <seere> rigel_: no, you can't do that (AFAIK)
[18:53] <rigel_> then, other than /etc/hosts, is there a way to achieve that for my machine?
[18:54] <bubbely> any ideas?
[18:54] <rigel_> bubbely: does it happen consistently?
[18:55] <bubbely> rigel_: yes atleast 3 times in a row
[18:55] <rigel_> try reformatting the usb drive
[18:55] <bubbely> what drive type?
[18:55] <bubbely> Fat32?
[18:55] <rigel_> or check the integrity of the boot image
[18:57] <tomreyn> !md5
[18:57] <tomreyn> bubbely: ^
[18:58] <tomreyn> also, there's a media test ("check ... for defects" i think) on the boot menu when you boot off it
[18:58] <bubbely> i cant boot into grub though
[18:59] <tomreyn> oh not even that?
[18:59] <tomreyn> which hardware is it, is it booting in uefi or legavcy bios mode?
[18:59] <tomreyn> and which ubuntu version and flavor is this?
[18:59] <seere> rigel_: running dnsmasq providing a cname record could help
[19:01] <bubbely> tomreyn: aorus z370 gaming 5
[19:01] <tomreyn> rigel_: what are you trying to achieve there? do you want other people to be able to find this system via either domain? or do you want to look up names in those domains form the system itself?
[19:01] <bubbely> tomreyn: ubuntu-19.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:02] <bubbely> tomreyn: it isnt detectin the UEFI part of the USB disk
[19:02] <seere> tomreyn: he wrote what he wants some lines above?
[19:03] <fritzroy15> quick question, what are the sysctl.conf settings for overcommit_memory and overcommit_ratio?
[19:03] <tomreyn> seere: not in a way that i could tell these use cases apart
[19:03] <fritzroy15> i can't seem to find them for ubuntu
[19:03] <bubbely> tomreyn: its UEFI
[19:04] <mati> Hi, I have a question regarding GRUB. I've changed the resosution of GRUB ( in /etc/default/grub GRUB_GFXMODE=) from auto to 1920x1080. Before the change, GRUB loaded instantly but with 1080p resolution it loads from bottom to top, if you know what I mean. Is there any way to mitigate/eliminate this and make the loading faster?
[19:04] <seere> tomreyn: ok, for me it looks like "I need someting that acts like a DNS server providing this special CNAME resolution"
[19:04] <tomreyn> bubbely: which cpu, which graphics card?
[19:04] <bubbely> tomreyn: Radeon 5700XT
[19:05] <rigel_> tomreyn: on the ilab server, they provide citrix workspace app thingies. the .ica files try to connect to the .local address, but fail. if i manually edit them to the .edu address (they're the same server/ip), it works. also, i can't ping/curl/nc the .local server, because the lookup fails (but nslookup seems to work, and it's a pain plugging in ip addresses everywhere), so i want my system to look for the
[19:05] <bubbely> tomreyn: Intel Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor
[19:05] <rigel_> .edu everytime it encounters the .local address
[19:05] <lord4163> Wait, what? Running apt dist-upgrade and it starts upgrading the packages without downloading them first?
[19:06] <tomreyn> bubbely: hmm, maybe the graphics card is still too new. you can try booting with !kernelparm amdgpu.dc=0
[19:06] <tomreyn> !kernelparm | bubbely
[19:07] <bubbely> ill try the IGPU
[19:07] <Aktive> hey
[19:07] <bubbely> tomreyn: there should be 2 boot options though right? the UEFI sector and the legacy sector?
[19:08] <Aktive> when my laptop goes to sleep and I log back in. I cant use wifi. Until I shutdown and start again. Restarting will not work. I use Ubuntu LTS 18.04
[19:08] <ioria> fritzroy15, where are or what are ?
[19:08] <tomreyn> bubbely: the mainboard firmware will always only boot in one of the two modes. either its native uefi mode, or, if CSM is configured, in legacy bios mode
[19:08] <Aktive> hey
[19:09] <TJ-> Aktive:  sounds like an ACPI issue
[19:09] <fritzroy15> ioria I mean, to set them up for ubuntu, do you set them as vm.overcommit_memory and vm.overcommit_ratio
[19:09] <fritzroy15> ?
[19:09] <Aktive> Can I change that
[19:09] <ioria> fritzroy15, yes, like 'vm.overcommit_ratio = 50'
[19:10] <fritzroy15> ioria thanks!
[19:10] <ioria> ok
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> Aktive: whats the brand of that computer, and can you pastebin your dmesg for the volunteers please?
[19:10] <TJ-> Aktive: this may help: https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[19:11] <Aktive> Asus
[19:13] <Aktive> https://pastebin.com/GStRKsSY
[19:14] <Aktive> @Tj- I check it out
[19:21] <Aktive> restarting now. Gonna test
[19:21] <Aktive> if it works
[19:33] <ckopn> how to change terminal background color for black with command?
[19:36] <[rg]> does ubiquity work for m.2 drives?
[19:42] <lordcirth_> [rg], should work, it's just a different drive path
[19:42] <akk> ckopn: You'd have to specify which terminal program to get an answer to that question (if any support it; I'm not sure any do).
[19:42] <[rg]> some weird things have happened on dual install, nothing shows up in efi
[19:42] <[rg]> lordcirth_, not sure if I'm up to testing ubiquity
[19:43] <akk> ckopn: Programs can print escape sequences that change the color temporarily, but that's not the same as actually changing the terminal program's background.
[19:43] <[rg]> but it has been pretty bullet proof in the past
[19:43] <KNERD> ckopn: a .0002 second search reveals (if using BASH)  https://www.tecmint.com/customize-bash-colors-terminal-prompt-linux/
[19:43] <Ridley5> hi all
[19:44] <Ridley5> any tool to take a screnshot and zoom to a specific par of the image please ?
[19:44] <lordcirth_> Ridley5, like, screenshot a given part of the screen? The default screenshot program does that
[19:45] <ckopn> I meant the terminal in Ubuntu has dark red backgroud. I want it be black
[19:46] <lordcirth_> ckopn, gnome-terminal? Change colors in it's settings
[19:46] <akk> Ridley5: If you just need it temporarily, xzoom is good, I think there's also xmag.
[19:46] <ckopn> but with command to add this line in script
[19:46] <akk> It doesn't actually take a screenshot (save to file), though, it just shows you the zoomed part.
[19:46] <Ridley5> thank you lord4163, i use Shutter it's very good tool but i need to zoom to a specific area of the image, like this : https://i.imgur.com/dhaORJW.png
[19:47] <Ridley5> lordcirth_:
[19:47] <lordcirth_> Oh, I see. I don't know of anything that does that automatically
[19:47] <lordcirth_> Perhaps a zoom tool and then screenshot?
[19:48] <Ridley5> that is lordcirth_
[19:48] <Ridley5> akk: for a specific area only like this :https://i.imgur.com/dhaORJW.png
[19:49] <KNERD> ckopn: you would put it in your ~/.bash_profile  file
[19:49] <IkoIKo> Bash.org Getting a random quote from bash.org, Please wait..
[19:49] <IkoIKo> Bash.org - #447 Quote: <SSr2> what's pr0n?
[19:49] <Ridley5> yes but i should past the zoomed area on the entire screenshot lordcirth_
[19:49] <akk> Ridley5: Did you read what I wrote? It seems like exactly what you want, unless you're trying to save this image
[19:49] <akk> in which case I'd use gimp, myself, but there are other image editors.
[19:49] <KNERD> ckopn: or ~/.bashrc
[19:49] <IkoIKo> Bash.org Getting a random quote from bash.org, Please wait..
[19:49] <IkoIKo> Bash.org - #131 Quote: <hypr> as im on no your so inslurted me
[19:50] <lordcirth_> !offtopic | IkoIKo
[19:50] <ckopn> KNERD: no, I have script for installing my working environment after ubuntu installation
[19:50] <Ridley5> i wanna try xzoom akk thank you
[19:50] <KNERD> ckopn: you said scrip. that is a login script
[19:52] <KNERD> ckopn: you mena you want to make your own script to run when you want?
[19:52] <KNERD> then make your own script file then run it when you want after adding those cmmands in
[19:53] <ckopn> KNERD: no, it is script with interface configuration, with commands like this: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface show-battery-percentage true
[19:54] <Ridley5> i found a tutorial for doing this using Gimp lordcirth_ & akk :)
[19:54] <Ridley5> https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/create-simple-zoomed-effect-screenshots-gimp/
[19:55] <KNERD> ckopn: it's the same thing, they are just passing varibles to the script
[19:56] <flog> bash
[19:58] <KNERD> Anyone know about the usage of these source ISOs?    http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/19.10/release/source/ I  download one  of 4.5GB, and it appears like it is nearly empy after extracting the contens
[20:00] <TJ-> KNERD: the file list that should be found is at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/19.10/release/source/ubuntu-19.10-src-1.list
[20:02] <KNERD> TJ-: i download ubuntu-19.10-src-1.iso that is 4.5GB in size.
[20:02] <aktive> hey
[20:02] <aktive> Im back
[20:02] <KNERD> I am trying to decifer how all it is set up
[20:02] <EldonMcGuinness> Does they gnome based ubuntu still not play well with Bluetooth Headphones? I know you previously had to money with blueman to get it going.
[20:02] <aktive> @TJ- Well I ran the script and it didnt fix it
[20:03] <KNERD> TJ-: okay, i see now.
[20:03] <KNERD> I see the files, thanks
[20:04] <towser> I have a hard drive (external) gparted can't read right because it was originally formatted for mac, how do I reformat it?
[20:04] <TJ-> aktive: that's shame. It points to an issue with the wifi chipset and/or kernel driver. What is the device? Show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk -d ::280 )"
[20:04] <jidar> are the zfs installer options available in the server install iso?
[20:05] <towser> file system is unknown
[20:05] <jidar> towser: you should be able to just delete the partition in that case
[20:05] <Aktive> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gPzmHgTyfp/
[20:06] <towser> done I had to create a partition table then remove all partitons and make a new one, thank you and have a nice day everyone
[20:08] <TJ-> Aktive: which kernel is in use? "uname -r"
[20:08] <Aktive> 5.0.0-32-generic
[20:12] <ahilman> Hello, I'm curious if someone can help me with SSH certificates and expiry...
[20:12] <ahilman> I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 server and I have set up Smallstep CA's utilities to sign and act as the CA...
[20:12] <ahilman> I have made a test certificate with my local machine and it works as expected. That is until I test an expired cert...
[20:12] <ahilman> I see the server logs the certificate as expired, but immediately allows the login to proceed...
[20:12] <ahilman> The user's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file has already been deleted...
[20:12] <ioria> Aktive, have you tried to remove and reload the module (after resume, i mean) ?
[20:12] <ahilman> Any ideas?
[20:12] <ahilman> The whole stack has been restarted
[20:12] <ahilman> What module are you referring to?
[20:13] <Aktive> no. I it doesnt show any networks. If thats what you mean
[20:13] <TJ-> Aktive: This may be the issue: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202563
[20:14] <Aktive> oh I see its new
[20:15] <TJ-> Aktive: I think the issue is "mt76x0e does not currently support suspend/resume. I will work on it soon"
[20:16] <Aktive> oke so someone is working on it ?
[20:17] <Aktive> should I try those patches things ?
[20:17] <Aktive> @TJ-
[20:18] <TJ-> Aktive: unless you're used to working with kernel builds I wouldn't recommend it
[20:19] <Aktive> oke. When he has fixed it. Will that be in my normal software updates ?
[20:25] <TJ-> Aktive:  looks like that module is being actively developed... as in, a work in progress. Since kernel v4.0 there have been 56 commits to it. So, I'd think testing with the v5.3 kernel might be worth it, which you can get via the HardWare Enablement stack
[20:25] <TJ-> !hwe | Aktive
[20:25] <ioria> Aktive, can you try this : go to sleep ;  sudo modprobe -r mt76x0e mt76xx ; sleep 1; sudo modprobe mt76x0e mt76xx
[20:32] <de-facto> How can I enable displaying the desktop background picture on Gnome Shell expose?
[20:39] <zzlatev> hey guys, can you help me with something? I want to open .torrent files with transmission controler which is not installed on ubuntu.
[20:40] <ioria> de-facto, you can find some options in gnome-tweak -> appearance -> background -> adjesment
[20:40] <ioria> *adjestment
[20:47] <OerHeks>  transmission controler??
[20:48] <de-facto> ioria, yes background image is choosen there, yet expose is just gray :/
[20:48] <de-facto> probably gnome is broken again with some upgrade
[20:53] <Aktive> hey
[20:55] <Aktive> im back
[20:56] <Aktive> @iora a few minutes
[20:56] <Aktive> I am reading the explenation
[21:08] <aktive> hey Im back
[21:14] <aktive> @TJ- I installed the HWE and rebooted and updated but still the problem s there
[21:15] <aktive> @ioria I did the commands I goth this
[21:15] <aktive> modprobe: FATAL: Module mt76xx not found.
[21:15] <aktive> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'mt76x0e': Operation not permitted
[21:16] <sarnold> check dmesg
[21:22] <aktive_> I tried the hwe thing. I ded apt update and upgrade
[21:22] <aktive_> but still
[21:23] <aktive> *i
[21:36] <JordiGH> snapd is eating my CPU. How can I see what it's doing?
[21:36] <tiox> Is there a fairly detailed "Idiot's guide" on signing a Ubuntu installation with SecureBoot?
[21:38] <bprompt> JordiGH:  you can try running htop or just "top"
[21:39] <JordiGH> Uhm, that just tells me it's eating CPU.
[21:39] <JordiGH> I want to know why.
[21:39] <Aktive> what filesystem is my usb stick suppose to be when copying linux files and folders ?
[21:40] <Aktive> ext4 right ?
[21:40] <akk> Aktive: Any format linux understands, which is lots of them.
[21:41] <Aktive> you know what happend? I copied project folders to the usb, which was ext4 and then the files, .py files were empty
[21:41] <Aktive> I have no idea
[21:41] <Aktive> I got so angry
[21:41] <JordiGH> Let's see what happens if we tell systemd to restart snapd.
[21:42] <Aktive> When i was about to use the project files I saw theyre empty
[21:42] <Aktive> no warning nothing
[21:52] <lordcirth_> Aktive, that doesn't sound like a filesystem problem
[21:52] <lordcirth_> Aktive, what did you use to copy them? Did you safely eject/sync the USB?
[21:52] <Aktive> copy and paste
[21:53] <Aktive> and mostly yes
[21:53] <lordcirth_> "mostly"?
[21:53] <Aktive> most of the time I ejected it safely
[21:53] <lordcirth_> What matters is whether you ejected it safely when you copied those files on.
[21:54] <Aktive> I will pay better attiontion next time. a lot of strange things happend
[21:55] <Aktive> attention
[22:06] <jayjo> I have an Apple Keyboard A1314 that is not connecting successfully to my ubuntu machine via bluetooth. Currently on Ubuntu 19.10, but I've had issues before
[22:06] <jayjo> I can see in bluetootctl that it just keeps connecting a reconnecting
[22:07] <jayjo> Connected: yes Connected: no Connected: yes Connected: no
[22:28] <banisterfiend> hi there, anyone here have experience with dual booting on a thinkpad?
[22:29] <Aktive> whats the matter ?
[22:33] <flog> banisterfiend: i've got dualbooting on my thinkpad t495. Never really boot into windows but I have the option.
[22:36] <jayjo> any ideas how I can further debug the bluetooth problem?
[22:37] <de-facto> where can i set the background for gnome expose?
[22:38] <de-facto> ... in Ubuntu 18.04
[22:38] <OerHeks> jayjo, all guides say it is simple, just..
[22:38] <OerHeks> if you get that 6 digit pin code, type that on the apple keyboard, not your current
[22:38] <de-facto> ah it was Blyr extension going buggy, ok nevermind
[22:39] <OerHeks> if this does not work, try this manually pairing https://medium.com/@sysadminhelp/pairing-apple-magic-keyboard-2-with-kubuntu-18-04-also-applies-to-ubuntu-31c5bdb6fb76
[22:47] <jayjo> OerHeks I've done that, followed those guide and attempted the manual pair too.  Still no luck. In the past once it syncs it seems to be ok for a while, but I cant even see what's failing
[22:51] <akk> banisterfiend: On my thinkpad I hardly ever have a need for windows, so I installed windows in virtualbox.
[22:51] <akk> oops, gone
[23:08] <yohomer> Hi all. Working on a multi-boot system, looking for some collaboration.
[23:08] <yohomer> Following the community/MultiOSBoot article
[23:09] <yohomer> all partitioned, with volumes on the MBR extended partition, and Win7 installed.
[23:11] <yohomer> Sadly, the 9.0.4-server iso hangs up on the (second?) language prompt.
[23:12] <yohomer> It seems that getting Grub1 into it's dedicated primary partition would be a very useful tool, aside from a full installer.
[23:13] <sarnold> yohomer: what's 9.0.4?
[23:13] <yohomer> Current installers have a trouble with my MBR managed SSD disk[s] under a Gigabyte BIOS which supports uefi; it seems.
[23:14] <yohomer> sarnold: ubuntu server version
[23:14] <sarnold> yohomer: do you mean ubuntu 9.04? is there any particular reason why you're installing ten year old software?
[23:14] <yohomer> recommended by the MultiOSBoot article for use of Grub1 for this particular purpose.
[23:14] <yohomer> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiOSBoot
[23:15] <yohomer> It's quite possible, even hopeful, that there's a better/easier more current method for multi-boot (not dual)
[23:16] <rangergord> Hi. I made the mistake of installing mailx the other day, and now I'm trying to remove it. If I use apt remove, I'm told I can't remove it becaues it's a virtual package. I can't find out what package it's coming from. "apt-cache depends mailx" doesn't list anything but <mailx>.  "apt-file find mailx" doesn't list a single package that includes /usr/bin/mailx (I don't understand how). How did this thing get installed?
[23:17] <rangergord> This is on ubuntu 16.04
[23:17] <genii> yohomer: I currently have a USB stick which boots 27 versions of *buntu ISO live images, which is not hard to set up in GRUB2. You can also use GRUB to present PXE option to boot over the network, or even from a server somewhere out on the internet with iPXE
[23:17] <akk> yohomer: grub1 predated UEFI -- is there a reason to believe it's been updated to work on modern machines?
[23:18] <akk> Admittedly grub1 was better at multi-boot than grub2, but that's something we have to put up with.
[23:19] <yohomer> My SSD disk is not UEFI partitioned.
[23:20] <genii> yohomer: You can also set GRUB up to boot a hard drive image and then keep multiple ones of those on a single partition
[23:20] <sarnold> rangergord: dpkg -S `which mail` may help -- or ls -l /etc/alternatives/mail or similar
[23:20] <rangergord> I found it, was in mailutils. thx
[23:21] <genii> !info grub-imageboot | yohomer
[23:21] <yohomer> genii: I'm starting with a Win7 installation; don't have a GRUB installed yet ;-} ... but do have a 100MB primary partition available and dedicated to that function
[23:22] <akk> yohomer: It will likely be a lot easier to get help if you stick to fairly current versions instead of 10-year-old ones that nobody has any more.
[23:23] <yohomer> is this article obsolete then? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiOSBoot
[23:23] <genii> yohomer: akk is correct that the documentation you are using is very sadly out of date
[23:23] <genii> Yes, it is pretty much obsolete
[23:24] <yohomer> Do you know of a replacement strategy document for multi-boot (onto an existing Win7 platform) ?
[23:25] <genii> yohomer: Don't worry about multibooting from Windows. The real work is done by GRUB and whichever linux you use to run update-grub with
[23:25] <akk> Usually, if you just run installers, grub2 will find existing linux installs and include them, though the boot menu may not be entirely ideal or put them in the best order
[23:25] <akk> but you can fiddle with that after everything's up and running.
[23:25] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Hi
[23:25] <genii> GRUB will find your Windows install and just add it to the list of operating systems you have available
[23:26] <yohomer> I've done all the partioning.
[23:26] <UndefinedIsNotAF> how i can install Fedora inside Ubuntu? Thanks
[23:26] <genii> !xnest | UndefinedIsNotAF
[23:26] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Except VirtualBox, Vmware workstation.
[23:26] <akk> (plan on devoting way too much frustrating time if you're picky about what the grub menu actually shows, the order, the look of it, etc.)
[23:26] <genii> hm
[23:26] <yohomer> I can try the current iso install again however.
[23:26] <UndefinedIsNotAF> genii: xnest is the name of a software?
[23:27] <genii> UndefinedIsNotAF: xnest used to be a package available which you could install other linux versions into but run them on the same desktop
[23:27] <genii> UndefinedIsNotAF: It seems it may have been removed
[23:27] <sarnold> UndefinedIsNotAF: if you just need userspace you could use an lxd instance, something like: lxc launch images:fedora/31/amd64 f31   -- https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/getting-started-cli/
[23:27] <libreWorld> I like KVM/VirtManager for virtual machine tinkering
[23:28] <genii> The other alternative is xephyr
[23:28] <sarnold> UndefinedIsNotAF: but if you want a vm, virt-manager is a good starting point
[23:28] <libreWorld> ubuntu has wiki page on virtmanager
[23:29] <yohomer> While I'm here, ... any shoutouts for a recommended GUI "desktop" on ubuntu? Are they still called window managers?
[23:30] <libreWorld> that is such a personal preference
[23:30]  * yohomer been keypoking since CP/M
[23:30] <rangergord> yohomer: everyone has their favorite. I like MATE, it's pretty traditional (read: Windowsy).
[23:30] <rangergord> move the toolbar to the bottom :P
[23:31] <rangergord> what's CP/M?
[23:31] <libreWorld> I like the toolbar at top
[23:31] <yohomer> libreWorld: understood .... I'm just asking for personal preferences, not recommendations ;-} You're all off the hook on liability here.
[23:32] <libreWorld> I prefer gnome for a full blown desktop and than awesome wm for minimal
[23:32] <yohomer> rangergord: before DOS
[23:33] <libreWorld> i3-gaps seems pretty popular
[23:33] <yohomer> perfect response with the full v. minimal. Thank you!
[23:33] <libreWorld> :)
[23:34] <rangergord> libreWorld: never heard of that. Why couldn't they just contribute upstream to make gaps a configurable option?
[23:34] <libreWorld> I dunno, I never messed with it so don't know much about the project
[23:34] <UndefinedIsNotAF> genii: sarnold thanks
[23:35] <akk> yohomer: Desktops are actually different from window managers -- it's possible to run a window manager without the extra desktop parts (I do, but I wouldn't recommend it for someone new to Linux).
[23:36] <yohomer> I'm comfortable in linux CLI (terminal) .... minimum exposure to it's mouse dependent desktop variants
[23:37] <rangergord> yohomer: did you not use computers in the past 20 years? :)
[23:37]  * yohomer former OS/2 dedicate
[23:38] <yohomer> it might seem that way ;-} ....
[23:40] <yohomer> I hung on to OS/2 way too long; concurrent with Debian servers (terminal) and minimum Win exposure for the kids etc.
[23:40] <sarnold> UndefinedIsNotAF: you're welcome, have fun :)
[23:42] <yohomer> Now that the kids are old and moved on, I have to upgrade the formerly humming deb7 server, and face the imminent end of service for win7 (and I won't go to 10+)
[23:42] <libreWorld> going the zfs install route?
[23:44] <yohomer> never heard of it .... will investigate; thanks
[23:44] <libreWorld> it's experimental option available
[23:44] <libreWorld> available in the installer that is
[23:45] <yohomer> but going to need to get ubuntu installed here on multi-boot first ;-}
[23:45] <yohomer> I have used sshfs before
[23:45] <libreWorld> it will be a piece of cake
[23:46] <yohomer> the ubiquitous 'it'
[23:46] <libreWorld> seems like u can install ubuntu on a rock if ya wanted to
[23:47] <yohomer> well, I'm going to divert my attention and go try again; thanks
[23:52] <yohomer> thinking over the last 20 years, .... I had a Motorola Photon smartphone which fit in my shirtpocket and had a slide out querty hardkey pad and terminal app suitable for remote server admin over secure vpn.