 @aptghetto [Calamares can‘t handle command substitutions], @The_LoudSpeaker The good news here is that the issue submitted https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/ttf-mscorefonts-installer has been closed but it won't be available until the next release. The usual caveat of lots of testing etc. will need to apply as well.
 Good grief
 That was the wrong link
 https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1201
[00:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> nice to hear that
[00:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> *read
[00:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, I just looked at https://phab.lubuntu.me/T123#2687 Want me to create a new task?
[00:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] 20.04 Artwork: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T123#2687
[00:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS0169ba6e57be: Added default theme for Xscreensaver.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS0169ba6e57be
[00:09] <wxl> whoa
[00:09] <wxl> arc ladn --onto ubuntu/focal
[00:09] <wxl> (Assuming 'ladn' is the British spelling of 'land'.)
 (Photo, 900x900) https://i.imgur.com/m79SeHy.jpg Something like this is in my skillset.
[00:12] <wxl> beautiful
 On a serious note, maybe the wallpaper that had the logo on it from the last wallpaper competition?
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://i.imgur.com/gaA0t5j.jpg This one?
[00:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSEED3681ea3eb922: Added xscreensaver-gl and xscreensaver-gl-extra] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEED3681ea3eb922
 I just turned off my system and you commit now.
[00:18] <wxl> i've been working on it jeez
 Lite. I am just messing with you.
 Going to sleep now. Bye!
[00:21] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker don't forget you gotta fix meta
[00:21] <wxl> @kc2bez: i really love that one
 It seems like it would be good for SDDM, it isn't too busy and is stylish.
[00:22] <wxl> the centering is probably not good given the location of the login dialog tho
 I am not sure though, the login is off to the left unless you have multiple users.
[00:23] <wxl> try it out and see
 spinning up a vm now.
 wxl: The cfg file is not there in grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate … The job done by it, i.e adding GRUB_THEME to /etc/default/grub should be done automatically by grub-install or grub-mkconfig. I will add it if that doesn't do it.
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker don't forget you gotta fix meta], I know ra.
[00:25] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker fix up the changelog there as suggested.. it should make such questions less necessary XD
 Aaah!!!
 Tomorrow
 (Photo, 1280x661) https://i.imgur.com/663bygN.jpg Needs some tweaking but it isn't bad.
 I should try a smaller resolution too.
 @kc2bez [<reply to image>], Nice wallpaper
[02:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe0b63e8b9e38: Remove uneeded whitespace] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe0b63e8b9e38
 @kc2bez [<reply to image>], actually is pretty decent
 G̶o̶o̶d̶ ̶j̶o̶b̶ ̶D̶a̶n̶,̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶h̶i̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶e̶x̶a̶c̶t̶ ̶i̶m̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶U̶b̶u̶n̶t̶u̶ ̶C̶i̶n̶n̶a̶m̶o̶n̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶j̶e̶c̶t̶
 dont worry
 (Photo, 1101x620) https://i.imgur.com/NPIJ0rt.jpg i will never hire you unless you ask :p
 I'm not worried, you can probably run a wallpaper contest too XD
 we are
 well
 nobody is giving us images via twitter so we just opened an ubuntu discourse thread https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-cinnamon-wallpapers/13291
 Yeah, there ya go. The one I posted was one of the finalists that landed in the eoan release.
 oh
 @kc2bez [<reply to image>], This sddm themes with pictures behave very bad in my old laptop. I always change to one where the username has to be typed
[03:57] <guiverc> current daily 20.04 LTS install (replace partition) reboot, and grub wasn't pretty blue but black white text :(  (BIOS)
[04:03] <guiverc> nice GUI info box saying updates available first boot (post-install) :)
 @guiverc [<guiverc> nice GUI info box saying updates available first boot (post-install) : …], +1
 @kc2bez [<reply to image>], Maybe an aspect ratio problem? Or the logo should be a bit small and at the center.
 what the hell
 this actually exists
 You mean Calamares in Debian? They changed that for Debian 10.
 It looks good for future releases too. https://jonathancarter.org/2019/10/17/calamares-plans-for-debian-11/
 Hello! With reference to this screenshots that looks great https://www.opensourcefeed.org/lubuntu-eon-screenshots/ … Is there any special reason for the blue border around each window in the Lubuntu Arc Openbox theme? My GF have a small laptop and in that one  it is very visible. She always ask me to remove it.
 @kc2bez [You mean Calamares in Debian? They changed that for Debian 10.], Oh.
 Anyone attending this? https://linuxappsummit.org/
 @HMollerCl ?
 Do we have anyone who can?
 If not, next year
 I can't maybe @N0um3n0
 @glpzzz [Hello! With reference to this screenshots that looks great https://www.opensourc …], Yes, to difirentiate 2 windows titlebar when they are next to each other
[17:08] <The_LoudSpeaker> We might have hit upon a bug of grub here.
[17:08] <The_LoudSpeaker> It actually should look for themes in /usr/share/grub/themes 
[17:10] <The_LoudSpeaker> check for starfield and also check man page
[17:10] <The_LoudSpeaker> but from grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate, we can see that grub-install is also picking them from /boot/grub/themes
 only way to check would be to put lubuntu-grub-theme in rSEED and check for a install from new iso which wil come out.
 Also since xscreensaver-gl and xscreensaver-gl-extra are in rSEED, instructions on how to update meta ploxx.
 @HMollerCl [Yes, to difirentiate 2 windows titlebar when they are next to each other], Can't be more narrow? Or the color less noticiable?
 wxl: D60, updated.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Also since xscreensaver-gl and xscreensaver-gl-extra are in rSEED, instructions …], @tsimonq2 @kc2bez wxl @HMollerCl
 So that once xscreensaver is fixed, I can separately push theme to seed and meta.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Also since xscreensaver-gl and xscreensaver-gl-extra are in rSEED, instructions …], Again, test this with the Pi 4.
 I'm willing to bet that won't work
[17:36] <wxl[m]> <lubot "<The_LoudSpeaker> Also since xsc"> See rMETA README
 @tsimonq2 [Again, test this with the Pi 4.], I don't have a monitor nearby.
[17:37] <wxl[m]> <lubot "<tsimonq2> I'm willing to bet th"> Who cares? It's easily changed. 
 @wxl[m]> <lubot "<The_LoudSpeaker> Also since xsc" [<wxl[m]> <lubot "<The_LoudSpeaker> Also since xsc"> See rMETA README], ack.
 @tsimonq2 [Again, test this with the Pi 4.], Is the 4 different than the 3 in this regard?
 @wxl[m]> <lubot "<tsimonq2> I'm willing to bet th" [<wxl[m]> <lubot "<tsimonq2> I'm willing to bet th"> Who cares? It's easily chang …], I care. We're not knowingly going to introduce regressions.
 @kc2bez [Is the 4 different than the 3 in this regard?], Probably not
 oh you said 4. I thought 3
 I will check on 3 tho
 I did test some of the GL ones and they worked on the 3
 @kc2bez [I did test some of the GL ones and they worked on the 3], did flurry with water preset work?
[17:38] <wxl[m]> I don't think we need to base everything around the Pis. Or anything for that matter. Especially when it is easily changed. 
 Not when Pi 4 is getting a substantial amount of press, and people are expecting it to work
 If it works there, fine, let's do it
 @The_LoudSpeaker [did flurry with water preset work?], I will check.
 However, when we're talking graphics-related packages, we need to be careful
 @kc2bez [I will check.], Thanks!
[17:40] <wxl[m]> This reminds me of the reasons we chose not to focus only on supporting old computers
 The Pi 4 was just released though
[17:41] <wxl[m]> Why cripple things for EVERYONE just to support a few?
 Why not ask for QA to be done prior to deploying changes which might break an entire platform?
 "it can easily be reverted" is a cop out, imo.
[17:42] <wxl[m]> If your intent is to ensure support for the Pi, you better make sure there's a whole boat load of devices available for testers
[17:42] <wxl[m]> No, it can be changed
[17:43] <wxl[m]> Just like if someone wants to put Lubuntu on a Mac.. There's things that aren't perfect out of the box
 I'm saying this QA needs to be done prior to the packages being deployed. If we want to just have a disclaimer or a workaround, fine. We just need some extra QA when talking about ARM devices and graphics.
 Let's not rush this in.
 We have six months to get this fix in.
[17:44] <wxl[m]> Sure but I'm not holding things back because of that. It's ridiculous
[17:45] <wxl[m]> We need to focus on our bread and butter and worry about getting icing on the cake secondarily
 While your perspective is understandable, if there's a specific concern about a change breaking something, "we can always put it back" isn't the answer.
 You're acting like this must be merged *now*
 lite ra.
 we will test
 As far as I'm concerned, once you verify it's fully functional, you have my green light
[17:47] <wxl[m]> Well if we verify it's not functional, I still see no reason not to proceed
 I totally see a reason then to blacklist those deps on ARM devices
 And then proceed
[17:48] <wxl[m]> Release notes would be more than sufficient to resolve the concern
 A technical fix would be too
[17:49] <wxl[m]> Technically your fix could lead to more confusion since GL hacks would be enabled and they would inexplicably not work
 We'll cross that bridge when we get there
 someone point me again to that xubuntu installation on pi tutorial! I seem to have lost the link.
 nvm got it.
 on T27
[18:00] <kc2bez> Yes, don't forget to sub out for `lubuntu-desktop^ sddm`
 sure.
[18:04] <kc2bez> Flurry water screensaver works on the 3b+ It is not as smooth as my desktop obviously but it seems to be ok. It certainly doesn't crash or anything like that.
 Thanks!
 @glpzzz [Can't be more narrow? Or the color less noticiable? Is the only part I don't lik …], I think you can change the width, I believe is 2 and can be set to 1.
 @HMollerCl [I think you can change the width, I believe is 2 and can be set to 1.], Yes, 1 will be good. I'll try and show when I get home
[19:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] EinarMostad (Einar Mostad) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2697
[19:29] <einarmostad> I have done some digging and thougth it would be clearer to just write what I have found on phabricator...
[19:46] <einarmostad> I am also working my way through the packaging documentation. Some of it is hard to understand, but maybe I'll get it when I have read all of it. I'll come back with more concrete questions then.
 How do I find where is in.ports.ubuntu.com is located?
 Flurry water working on Pi 3b at about 30fps
 ^ @tsimonq2
 There was some trick or something to make lubuntu use less ram on low end devices? Disabling some apps, etc. Anyone has the instructions to that. It's using 463MB idle on my Pi
 @The_LoudSpeaker which version?
 @HMollerCl [@The_LoudSpeaker which version?], Eoan.
 I already disabled shortcuts, runner, clipper and power management
 Rebooting for these changes now
 I would disable: qlipper, lxqt-runner, Compton, snaps, nm-applet (if you don't need printer)
 I was thinking of snaps
 @The_LoudSpeaker [There was some trick or something to make lubuntu use less ram on low end device …], I just see one with 256mb fresh intalled.
 @glpzzz [I just see one with 256mb fresh intalled.], Whaaaaaaatttt? I am well over that here.
 @glpzzz [I just see one with 256mb fresh intalled.], @HMollerCl the guy who broke his system and just fixed. He sent an screenshot to our group
 (Photo, 779x584) https://i.imgur.com/T9MNAp9.jpg Tachan!!!!!!
 The changes I made to disable runner and power management didn't survive. After reboot, both were there but I had also disabled shortcuts and it remained off only.
 @glpzzz [<reply to image>], That's a fresh install? Ggwp!
 Then why I am getting 470 on pi I wonder.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [The changes I made to disable runner and power management didn't survive. After …], Did you dissabled in session? Other things have to be disabled in autostart
 @glpzzz [Did you dissabled in session? Other things have to be disabled in autostart], I did disable in session settings
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Then why I am getting 470 on pi I wonder.], Ha, I can't tell you. Mine is always over 500 but I have LAMP, kiwix, and other stuff
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I did disable in session settings], Then I don't know. That session settings dialog works great for me.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I did disable in session settings], There are two ways to do it: … - stop now (the buttons) … - disable service (on the list) … I'm on the phone, can't explain better
 @glpzzz [There are two ways to do it: … - stop now (the buttons) … - disable service (on the …], Yeah. I did both of that. But now again on 2nd reboot they are disabled lite.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Yeah. I did both of that. But now again on 2nd reboot they are disabled lite.], Ups
[23:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T78: Port Redshift From Gtk To Qt] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T78#2699