[00:02] actually that was softkey (and maybe 20+y); not touchkey; the NOkkia N-810 had the hardkey querty slide; both with 80 column terminals in the shirtpocket. === tucked is now known as disi [00:12] deja-dup fails at restoring my last backup... it hangs always on the same file (some JPG in my ~/Images dir) ... what can I do? [00:20] Ubuntu 18.04.03 Has started to be not nice. the mousepad and the keyboard stops working after the sign in gnome login [00:22] gonna have to access the log files [00:23] libreWorld: Then i have to wait until back from work. Since i cant access the log files and paste it [00:25] Hey folks I am really struggling getting ubuntu to run on windows 10 hyperV, I keep getting stuck on a blank screen at the begining right after installation [00:26] raidghost, got an extra mouse and keyboard? try plugging them in and see if works, would make things easy to get at log files [00:27] libreWorld: Not here. But guess i just wait for the new LTS version [00:28] My girlfriends laptop with 18.04 Says "no wifi card" (broadcom card) but its there. Allways worked. just ubuntu that seems to want to mess with my MOOD [00:29] well bummer [00:29] how do I add DNS forwards? [00:29] libreWorld: So i guess HP just dont have good support for linux [00:30] squeige, so are u saying it doesn't boot after install? is grub loading? [00:30] raidghost: post URL from terminal for> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999 [00:32] Grub loads, I get a purple screen with ubunutu logo then just a black screen with a blinking cursor [00:34] can you hit the esc key when purple screen comes and get to verbose to see boot process? [00:34] one second let me try that [00:34] question is virtual box a better solution to hyperv? [00:35] I haven't used hyperv in so long so no idea of it's state [00:35] virtualbox should be no issues [00:35] same performance? [00:36] always ran good for me and my hardware [00:36] even sets up the display drivers correctly without having to jump thru hoops [00:37] I suspect you are having display issues with hyperv [00:37] I am almost done resintalling ubuntu to try it again [00:38] I suspect the same but not sure... [00:38] jeremy31: what is ubuntu with wayland ? [00:38] That option works to sign in with [00:38] but the "ubuntu" selection does just freeze after sign in [00:38] raidghost: that is an option I don't use [00:38] if you think I am better off with virtualbox Ill switch immediately [00:38] can i remove the ubuntu option [00:38] so it only has ubuntu with wayland? [00:39] I want to learn to write linux scripts so even headless would rock [00:39] like I said, been a long time since I touched hyperV [00:39] lol ok [00:39] well its almost done last attempt [00:39] you would think hyper-v the better solution since its already intergrated with MS>... [00:40] argh [00:40] you verify the iso? [00:40] I did [00:41] ok its booting, hit escape saw all the verbose and got back to blinking cursor yet again [00:41] if I recall the last time I used hyperV, never got the full screen display working [00:42] Ill switch to virtual box.... [00:42] did u see what the last line was? [00:42] too fast [00:42] lol [00:43] any way to pause it? [00:43] ctrl-alt f2 not working either [00:44] not that I know of on boot [00:44] remove stale online ext I think it says [00:45] turning hyper v off... need to reboot switching to virtualbox [00:45] is that what you use? [00:46] yea for windows [00:47] back [00:48] hope the virtualbox goes better [00:57] why does my volume control behave as though there is a 4-bit volume register on my sound device? [00:57] not exaggerating. there are 16 increments from zero to max [00:57] incremental Victory!! .... v18 installed on sda6 with a master grub on sda3 (??) .... both systems boot .... one more to add [00:58] congrats I guess [00:59] is netplan still the plan for upcoming lts? [00:59] oh, I'm very pleased; that was a milestone === oerheks1 is now known as oerheks [00:59] or did it fare about as well as upstart? [01:02] ah I see. when I change it through my keyboard it changes in huge increments but dragging the volume with mouse is fine. can I make the volume keybinds less aggressive? [01:10] figured it out. you have to hold shift when you change the volume. it makes it change half as much [01:26] shibboleth: netplan is already in 18.04 LTS and every subsequent release. netplan is not a replacement for systemd-networkd or NetworkManager. All it is is a configuration utility, and that's all its designed to be. You can easily remove it if desired, or disable its functionality. [01:26] whislock, What is it though?? [01:26] wxb: It's a YAML-based network configuration generator. [01:27] I just upgraded to Ubuntu 19.10 from... 19.04 and it seems that my fonts put chinese at a higher priority than japanese...which makes the wrong versions of certain symbols appear. How do I change this (without making japanese my ui default language) (japanese support works fine already, it's just the wrong version of the font) [01:27] Do some people have concerns about it? [01:27] !netplan | wxb [01:27] wxb: Netplan is a network configuration abstraction renderer which uses YAML descriptions of a network to work with either a NetworkManager or Systemd-networkd "renderer". More information at https://netplan.io/ [01:27] wxb: There are a few very small features that exist in systemd-networkd and NetworkManager that netplan does not yet support. [01:27] thanks Bashing-om :) [01:27] wxb: There are bugs open for two of them. [01:28] hello [01:29] Okay. Is it a big deal though? Sounds kinda regular to me, but I'm likely missing something... It's not like 'Ubuntu drops Unity' earth-shattering news, is it? [01:29] it's change, and people get cranky with change [01:29] I've certainly had my moments :) [01:29] Are other distros adopting it? [01:29] but I certainly had frustrations with /etc/network/interfaces so this one's a lot easier for me to accept :) hehe [01:30] I run ubuntu 19.04 on dell insipron 13 7000 2-in-1. I would like to know how I can make a bug report. I try ubuntu-bug about many issues with hardware but ubuntu-bug need a PID of a program. [01:30] ubuntu-bug can also take a package name or executable name [01:31] sarnold: yes but it's not related to package in particular [01:31] to *a pacjager [01:31] *package [01:31] arff [01:31] hehe, don't worry too much about simple typos, most folks on irc are quite good at reading around them [01:32] the touchpad doesn't work, it doesn't recover from a "suspend to RAM", the touchscreen doesn't work [01:33] Well, that sucks... [01:34] yeah, that's a lot to have go wrong :( [01:34] yes :-( [01:34] It would be more expedient to search for your hardware on a google, and poke in some forums [01:35] Then again, I'm not exactly sure how Ubuntu takes hardware support requests [01:39] on the previous version of dell inspiron linux seems to work. It's a very recent version with a Intel I7 10th gen . Perhaps a driver issue... I tried with fedora and I get exctly tyhe smae problem [01:42] It's a laptop provided by my enterprise. I would make a bug report and get some advice from developper which could confirm the driver issue (or find a solution pehaps) [01:42] is there a bug report system for the kernel ? [01:42] several.. [01:43] It's not an Ubuntu specific problem...and you're probably not the first person to have this problem [01:43] I mean for linux itself [01:43] ubuntu-bug linux will file a bug report in launchpad against the kernel [01:43] bugzilla.kernel.org also exists, but they'll likely want you to test with 'upstream kernels', eg built from git sources [01:43] ok I am ging to do this [01:44] you'll probably need to do both [01:44] linux is almost certainly the right choice for the suspend issues [01:44] I'm less sure of the trackpad and touchscreen [01:44] I don't think I am competent to compile a kernel from scratch [01:46] I could try with a arch or a gentoo the kernel is perhaps more recent [01:46] depending on the machine, it might not be too bad; if you download the sources, run 'make localmodconfig' 'make bzImage modules install' ; 'sudo make install' it'd probably get there [01:51] sarnold are you sure ? I tried to build a LFS and the book learn howt to make a chroot environment with very specific package to build it. I am afraid I will not have the required dependencies in ubuntu. For the touchpad and the touchscreen Aren't the driver be loaded as kernel module ? [01:52] Labu: if you don't usually build software, installing the 'build-essential' metapackage would bring in a large number of other packages needed for building.. it's possible the kernel would require still more, but I don't expect too many [01:53] Hi all, I have my account on ubuntu machine with a strong password. What if anyone get's hold of the hard drive from the machine, can they access my data? [01:54] I'm not sure about the touchpad and touchscreen -- those drivers could live in userspace. libinput does quite a lot of the heavy lifting for those sorts of devices [01:54] ironpillow: did you use full disk encryption or per-user data encryption in the installer? [01:54] sarnold: hey! [01:54] ironpillow: Yes. Unless you have an additional encrypted file system. [01:55] I used the basic installer with LVM option. I don't know if it encrypts full disk or per-user [01:56] ok sarnold, it's tricky... but I don't take a big risk. at wortst it will not compile [01:56] ironpillow: does 'lsblk' show any crypt or luks lines? [01:57] This is a headless ubuntu server installation. So I didn't use the regular GUI [01:57] sarnold: checking [01:57] I think mount | grep -i ecrypt could show you if you used per-user encrypted home dirs, assuming you're logged in with a user account that has such a directory [01:58] lsblk doesn't show any crypt or luks lines [01:59] mount | grep -i ecrypt does show any output [02:00] does? or does not? [02:00] sorry - does not [02:01] vlt: can they also ready root user's files? [02:01] then there is a very good chance that your data is stored entirely unencrypted, and it would be quite trivial for someone who has stolen your computer to get access to the data on it [02:01] ironpillow: Yes. [02:01] vlt: oh no! [02:01] it's pretty easy to reboot with eg "init=/bin/bash" kernel command line parameter and have a fully privileged root shell with no restrictions [02:02] (it's very handy in case you forget your password; sooner or later every linux admin will need this :) [02:02] ironpillow: That’s what full disk encryption is for. [02:02] anyway to encrypt it post installation - I am using LVM [02:03] you could rely on bios drive locking, but that can be circumvented by removing your hard drive controller and replacing it with an unlocked drive controller. not easy but not impossible [02:03] ironpillow: Yes. Just pvmove to an encrypted PV [02:03] ironpillow: Your kernel usually needs to be run from an unencrypted part of the disk, though. [02:04] ironpillow: And you need to have the cryptsetup binary in your initrd.img. [02:04] oh...didn't know about `pvmove`. [02:04] oh so pvmove will only work if cryptsetup binary was in my initrd.img? [02:05] sarnold: I'll check if my bios supports it [02:05] BIOS drive locking doesn't actually secure the information on the disk. [02:05] ironpillow: No, pvmove works independently. [02:05] Just to be clear. [02:06] ironpillow: You need to have cryptsetup *outside* your encrypted system to unlock it, obviously ;) [02:06] yes; full disk encryption is the 'gold standard' here [02:07] Got it. I have to read up on cryptsetup and pvmove [02:07] Thanks all! [02:09] have fun ironpillow :) [02:15] ironpillow, maybe something like this? https://hamy.io/post/0009/how-to-install-luks-encrypted-ubuntu-18.04.x-server-and-enable-remote-unlocking/ you might rely on the IP network in between to be sure not to remotely unlock an "evil clone" though [02:21] i would not want to rely on closed source hw disk controllers for encryption as they store the data encryption key which you unlock with your password and you cant know there is no second "security by obscurity" key hidden in there for third party unlocking [02:23] heck, they aren't even *that* good [02:23] most encrypted hard drive things are just garbage, heh [02:27] Many encrypted hard drive implementations use hard-coded passwords/keys that are common to ALL drives in the product line. [02:28] yeah the horror === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [02:51] de-facto: oh thanks! === ben_r_ is now known as ben_r [03:49] which ubuntu derivative should i use if i want it to be based on debian? [03:49] all ubuntu derivatives are derivatives of debian [03:50] !flavors [03:50] Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours [03:51] i want an ubuntu that uses my bad ass gpu to give me max. eye candy and brain orgasms. [03:51] which one would i use then? [03:52] oerheks, thx [03:52] laptop? desktop? amd? nvidia? intel? none of the above? [03:54] tons of tweaks and themes and eyecandy ... that is why flightsimulator is created [03:54] desktop, amd, intel [03:55] desktop, shouldn't matter much which flavor [03:55] longest tread on ubuntu forum: show us your conky https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865&page=2347 [03:55] professional desktop! [03:55] like coding all day long. [03:55] try the one you like best [03:56] downloading budgie rn [03:56] coding, nice, tiling window manager [03:56] well i code in a vm in windows actually [03:57] only use the linux as a hypervisor [03:57] that works [04:42] [04:48] hello space boy [05:50] I'm having a lot of crackling coming from the qsynth midi synth. It's sometimes worse than other times, and its unpredictable. It's using ALSA and switching to the lowlatency kernel didnt help. Running qsynth as root hangs the system and requires going to a tty to kill qsynth. === fling is now known as swiftshader [07:03] Bluetooth audio pauses for few seconds for a while, is the wifi conflicting with bluetooth in anyway that the transfer is being affected? or is there any config to get the bluetooth transfer with good speed? Some info: driver: rtw_pci, modules: rtw_pci, r8822be.Also I am connected to wifi for internet. Also the upload transfer rate is 26.5 KB/s for the connected bluetooth device, upload transfer drops to 16 B/s when the audio stops. [07:27] ngm: wich ubuntu version and kernel please [07:27] ngm: no basically you might now get the results you expect streaming to a bluetooth device and i think its that the drivers aren't so good, but now it's 2019 so i am not sure what the current status is [07:35] ngm: i might add: you can use something like mplayer to lower the bitrate, that might stop the dropouts [08:20] when i check the lifecycle span of ubuntu 19.04 [08:20] it says its a interim release [08:20] does that mean it will get support for alot of years or only the selection of years in grey https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle [08:20] from what i read its only the grey periood right, so for a production server i should upgrade to 20 [08:20] igeni: its not really reccomended to use non-lts versions for produtcion [08:21] igeni: non-lts releases are supported for 9months [08:21] no lts are versions in interim? [08:21] non-lts. [08:21] yeah [08:21] k [08:22] i can just do a release-upgrade from 19.04 to 20 right [08:22] you can test servers for newer features on them of course, the users choice [08:22] igeni: upgrades always jump to the next number first, 19.04==>19.10==>20.04 etc [08:22] i made this mistake once and didnt pat attention some of my servers where on a very very old ubuntu, noi [08:23] wont happen again haha [08:23] k i will jump to 20 now then, so i dont make that mistake again [08:23] depending on what the users wants, we advice the LTS way [08:23] its a web server [08:24] igeni: 20.04 is not out yet, only the development version atm [08:24] mm ok so i should wait for it to be final, i cant downgrade to 18.04 right [08:25] igeni: ideally you would clean install 18.04 indeed, and wait for the next LTS 20.04 when its out [08:26] clean install woudl suck , already fully made it production ready, igues i can safely wait on 20 to be final and then upgrade it [08:26] i gues that will happen within 9 months [08:27] igeni: your systems, your choice [08:27] april 2020 i read here [08:28] igeni: jumping to 20.04 in april is also not really the LTS way, since 18.04 will jump to 20.04.1 when its out soemwhere in july [08:28] for servers, more stability and more bugs sorted etc [08:29] igeni: so if uptime & stability are important for you, we reccomend following the lts way [08:29] thanks i will do that from now on [08:30] great [08:39] I want to stream local FTP video from my computer to my laptop but when I try I can't skim the video, only watch it linearly while it buffers. I can skim the video on android and ios. I've mounted the drive through nautilus and thunar (both used the same method it seems) . Anyone know how I can do this? [09:50] hello [09:51] XD [10:12] hello! guys i have a pandas dataframe with a column with values 0, 1 and 2 so bascially a series like: 1,0,0,0,2,0,1,0,2 etc i would like to get groups/slice of the series where the column start from a 1 and ends with 2, so looking at the example i wrote i should get two groups, (1) 1,0,0,0,2 and the second (2) 1,0,2 [10:12] how can i do that? [10:19] wrong channel, pardon. [10:19] :) [10:46] Hey there. I have an old almost forgotten vm running 16.04, and in order to free up space on a completely filled /boot partition, I may have accidentally nuked all kernels. I tried apt-get install linux-generic which claims that the newest kernel is already installed, but when I run update-grub I don't see any linux kernels in its output, so I'm worried that grub doesn't find any kernels and a reboot would brick it [10:46] any ideas? [10:49] eising check in /boot to see if there are any kernel files [10:50] jeremy31: there are no vmlinuz [10:50] eising: try> sudo apt install --reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r) [10:53] jeremy31: there we go, thanks a lot :) [10:56] The python script in my cronjob is not running. What am i doing wrong? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H7NRX66mk3/ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jBHVFhJT7r/ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/phNFkQFFDQ/ [10:56] now the question is whether I dare restart it, since I've lost access to the vmware console :) [11:07] The python script in my cronjob is not running. What am i doing wrong? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H7NRX66mk3/ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jBHVFhJT7r/ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/phNFkQFFDQ/ [11:07] feannag: dont repeat too often please [11:08] lotuspsychje, i know, thought there was some problem with the network. [11:43] Hiyas all [13:08] Hello. I have an application that relies on libcurl3 but I also have an application that needs php5.6 to run which relies on libcurl4. This causes an issue for both application to co-exist in harmony on my server. Any suggestions or workarounds? [13:11] CryptoManiac: which ubuntu version are you running there? [13:12] There's no supported Ubuntu version which still provides php 5.* packages, so this must be veeery old or using 3rd party packages, or both. i doubt anyone is able to maintain 5.x packages with all security patches. [13:15] ubuntu 18.04 and later should use libcurl4, only 16.04 should use libcurl3 [13:26] CryptoManiac, that ^, but if you want a dog breakfast recipe, you can prepend ibcurl.so.3 to the affected application === Wryhder is now known as Lucas_Gray [13:29] tomreyn: Apologies for the late reply. I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 and I forgot to mention earlier that I'm using 3rd party packages to get php5.6 installed. [13:30] ioria: By prepend you mean I should just make sure the libcurl.so.3 library files are in place? [13:30] nope [13:30] CryptoManiac, as you said one removes the other [13:31] Yes that's right. They can't co-exist. [13:32] CryptoManiac, uless, you install 3, copy somewhere the lib, remove 3 and reinstall 4 [13:32] Ok. Will give that a try [13:32] and finally prepend 3 === jstein_ is now known as jstein [13:40] I came accross this https://dev.to/jake/using-libcurl3-and-libcurl4-on-ubuntu-1804-bionic-184g [13:40] reading it now [13:41] CryptoManiac, maybe that won't work because you don't have a 'real' libcurl.so.3 on bionic; you need to rename libcurl.so.4.5.0 to libcurl.so.3 [13:42] CryptoManiac, rename libcurl.so.4.5.0 off the 3 package , i mean [13:45] hi [13:45] somewhat off-topic: does anybody know how to convert a win10 iso into a usb thumb drive in ubuntu? there is WoeUSB but that crashes with errors [13:49] deadrom: winusb & woeusb are your best bets [13:50] deadrom: you could try a ppa with woeusb, works better then the snap version, use at your own risk cause we dont really reccomend external !ppa [13:51] lotuspsychje: I compiles git from src and *that* wouldn't work. crashes the moment it wants to echo values to /proc/sys/vm [13:53] deadrom: we cant help with the compiled version, ask that to the maintainer [13:53] deadrom: you could try the snap version, but last time i tryed it did not seem very useful [13:55] lotuspsychje: got a ppa address? [13:56] deadrom: use at own risk: http://ppa.launchpad.net/nilarimogard/webupd8/ubuntu/pool/main/w/woeusb/ [13:57] I appreciate the security hint, but at this level of emphasis I have to ask if that particular src is shady in any way [13:58] deadrom: see also snap info woe-usb [14:04] lotuspsychje: snap woeusbgut: "Error opening directory '/proc/sys/vm': Permission denied" [14:04] and that's exactly the issue. it crashes the moment it tries to access the vm files. 18.04LTS. same happens wiht self-compiled git src [14:05] deadrom: vm files? [14:05] cli version same issue. the echo command at line 1677 where it tries to echo a 0 value into the "dirty" params in vm it's all over [14:05] lotuspsychje: /proc/sys/vm/dirty* [14:22] tomreyn and ioria: Thank you very much for your help. I just wanted to let you know that I found something that has been the easiest solution so far to be able to run both libcurl3 and libcurl4 on Unbuntu 18.04. Check out https://launchpad.net/~xapienz/+archive/ubuntu/curl34 [14:22] :-) [14:29] Hi all, I have a strange problem about DNS and my VPN (openvpn). Following some guide I stopped and disabled systemd-resolved.service and I have put "dns=default" in my /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf. All work fine but I have a problem resolving names in my zone work.local. If I try to resolv host.work.local it doesn't work, but if put wok.local in my search in /etc/resolv.conf and try to resolv host it works fine [14:29] lotuspsychje: https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB/issues/267 <- well know issues and some workarounds to address the bugs in the workarounds... [14:54] Can anyone give me any advice or help (Not super savvy on linux) - I have an AMD GPU and use the default drivers built into Xubuntu 18.04.. A game crashed and something has gone wrong. When my PC boots the GPU fans run full speed, I had to manually use pwmconfig and run fancontrol to keep them normalish for now. Another problem persists though, my entire system stutters every few seconds [14:55] I know it's not hardware coz if I live-boot everything is normal [14:56] Install drivers from GPU manufacturer website [15:01] I'll give it a try shvm, although i was hoping it's possible to fix the canonical drivers since they've worked great til that crash === satanist is now known as pcworld1 === pcworld1 is now known as satanist [15:26] Although I'm still using the same keyboard layout, 19.10 broke my accents, I can no longer type ê because the circumflex appears before I can complete with the letter, which gives ^e. What setting is that? [15:29] How did you type it before? There are several different types of input method (dead key, compose key, probably others). [15:30] I kept pressing the ^ key and the letter "e" or "a" meanwhile akk [15:31] My usual layout is "French, eliminate dead keys", which is the one I currently have [15:31] is what I described the dead key method? [15:33] I think so. [15:34] Have you looked in Settings for something Keyboard settings? (Sorry, I don't run a default ubuntu desktop so I can't search here, I'm googling but not finding anything clear.) [15:34] I finally found out a layout that allows me to type ê! Crazy I thought I was using the "no dead key" layout! [15:34] akk thank you :) [15:35] yay! [15:35] Glad you figured it out since I wasn't much help. :) [15:36] You pointed out that it was a layout issue while I thought it wasn't [15:37] That's something, anyway. :) [15:37] I use a compose key and set it by editing a file, so I only know about dead keys theoretically. === PowaBanga_ is now known as PowaBanga [16:31] hello [16:32] hi [16:34] I have an external usb ntfs drive and I'm using ntfs-3g and want to be able to have characters such as ':' in the filenames. AFAIU ntfs-3g already allows this unless the windows_names option is passed, but if I do `mount | grep sdd` it says 'type fuseblk' and lists a few options that don't include windows_names, but I'm still unable to use ':' in the filenames [16:35] the drive is mounted automatically when I plug it in, so I'm not sure where to look to see if windows_names is being passed and how to prevent it, do you know how to verify/change that? [16:48] Taggnostr, just run 'mount' [16:48] ioria, if I run mount it says it's using fuseblk and windows_names doesn't appear in the list of options, even though it appears to be used [16:49] Taggnostr, just run 'mount' [16:49] Taggnostr, sy, try to umount and remount in another location [16:49] specifying ntfs-3g and different options? [16:50] Taggnostr, mmm, nope plain and simple [16:55] is there supposed to be only 2 workspaces in ubuntu 18.04 by default? [16:55] i thought there were 4. i can switch between them at least with ctrl-alt-up arrow though [16:59] ioria, that worked, thanks! [16:59] ioria, is there any way I can set it as default behavior? [17:00] Taggnostr, maybe disable automount for that device ... [17:01] I was thinking about changing the default automount settings if that's possible [17:02] let me try with org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount false === doug16k_ is now known as doug16k [17:04] I mean, I want it to be automounted, but with the default options used by a plain mount, since apparently when it gets automounted there are some extra options specified that prevent me to copy files that contain ':' or other characters [17:04] Taggnostr, yes, it works but disables 'all' the automounts [17:05] Taggnostr, ah, i see [17:06] Taggnostr, you can try then with gnome-disks [17:08] ioria, ok, I'll check that out, thanks again for the help! [17:08] no problem === dionysus70 is now known as dionysus69 [17:51] will ubuntu work on a pentium 3 800mhz. [17:52] kd4wov-2> uhmmm.... lubuntu only ram ? [17:53] 512 Meg of ram [17:55] the minimum requirements say 128MB https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu [17:56] you're a bit ahead of the absolute minimum cpu too [17:56] this is likely to be outdated. [17:58] OK I will look at it. I have several p3 and p4 machines running xp that I am considering moving to Linux. [17:58] ah right, it suggests going to https://lubuntu.me/ [17:58] these are the last windows machines except 2 win98 machines with a p 233 mhz. [17:59] the problem with pentium 3 is the hardware is insecure, does not receive security support from intel anymore. [17:59] these will become dos machines [18:00] kd4wov-2, p4 is ok, p3 i don't think so [18:00] have you considered replacing ten of those by a single current computer, saving a lot of power alng the way? [18:00] tomreyn does the security update come from the OS? [18:01] hardware security updates only come from hardware manufacturers. [18:02] as far as replacing them, I run dos programing for Motorola radios. it does not ry [18:02] your microcode won't have any of the features that accelerate the workarounds, the kernel will be using the pathological workarounds on an already slow cpu [18:02] firmware (microcode) updates can sometimes be provided by the OS as well, if the hardware manufacturer makes them availble (which is not the case here) [18:02] run on windows [18:03] so what about core2 machines? [18:05] kd4wov-2, what about them ? [18:05] my main machine is a p4 3.8 ghz with 4gig ram running ubuntu studio. [18:06] what are your thoughts about core2 machines [18:06] kd4wov-2, p4 it's not exactly a dual core [18:06] you may want to run this on your systems to get a better idea of their CPU problems: https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker [18:07] it's also available in ubuntu (not the latest version) [18:07] no core2 is the machine after p4 and before core2 duo [18:07] kd4wov-2, and ? [18:08] OK will look at that. [18:08] you will find that all of them have unfixed issues, and those will not be solved in the future. [18:10] better linux than not linux though on those old cpus. at least linux tries to mitigate the issues [18:10] I understand about the unfixed issues [18:10] old windows will happily let meltdown happen [18:11] meltdown is very, very bad [18:11] those issues will not disapperar soon [18:11] yes I remember meltdown. [18:12] has anyone else had issues with unrequested sudden logouts since the rollout of 19.10? === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [18:18] s3nd1v0g1us: it's not something that's reported here enough for me to remember it. [18:19] it has since ceased. i logged in via a shell and updated-upgraded any/everything. but it was frequent before that. [18:19] it would log me out for no reason [18:19] so, apparently, updates help. [18:19] maybe we should all install them regularly? [18:20] next you'll be recommending frequent backups... [18:25] doug16k: https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/ [18:27] this is about how lubuntu does not / no longer consider support of older hardware a primary goal [18:28] ah, yeah I got that feeling when I couldn't find any mention of system requirements at https://lubuntu.me/ [18:28] in the manual search I mean [18:32] maybe folks in #lubuntu canprovide minimum system requirements [18:41] I dont understand all this behind just a DE. why maintain a separate distro for a DE when you can very well just install DE like an app. [18:42] shvm, it's not so simple [18:45] shvm, and it's not an 'app'; it's is a set of several packages with dependencies , links , and config files [18:46] anyone here compared lubuntu's resource usage compared to the stock ubuntu with LXQT installed from repository? I'm curious [18:46] @ior [18:47] ioria: You're one fine motivated individual my friend! [18:47] thank you [18:52] I am curious anyone use a jabber client or xmpp client? [18:53] no polls please, what's your actual question? [18:53] hm, so i have a usb drive spitting errors ... is there anyway to block the bad sectors or whatever on them? gparted can't even successfully create a parition formatted as ext4 [18:53] What is the error? [18:53] gparted said something about bad I/O when trying to create a new parition with ext4 [18:54] I had a similar problem related to power issues on the USB port. [18:54] The drive might be dead. Does it work on another machine? [18:54] The port might also be the issue. [18:54] "error input/output error during read on dev/sda" [18:55] does anyone here run ubuntu on a XPS 15? [18:55] its actually a 2.5" ssd in a usb-c enclosure ... and the drive started failing when it was setup as an internal drive (out of the enclosure) on an older laptop so now i'm seeing if i can repair it on my new laptop using this usb-c enclosure [18:55] can you check the drive by dropping it in a machine. [18:56] it didn't work in the first machine ... but it *seems* like it's localized to particular sectors or whatever the ssd equivalent is [18:56] rocky: the drive is probable dead. Try a different drive. [18:56] pizzaiolo: no polls please, instead ask the specific question [18:56] because gparted's partitioning works for a while but finally pukes out [18:57] tomreyn the specific question would be what said user's experience was [18:57] karx: the drive is definitely not *dead* ... i'm trying to figure out if it's recoverable or there's too much dmg [18:57] i also figured there was some way to mark sectors (or ssd equiv) as "bad" so they wouldn't interfere [18:58] rocky have you tried to make it a ntfs [18:58] ext4 and ntfs both [18:58] you may want to try spinright [18:59] pizzaiolo: Dell XPS 15 is a product series with many different models. but this doesn't seem like an ubuntu support question, maybe #ubuntu-offtopic is a better place, or ##linux [18:59] what's spinright? and keep in mind this is a ssd, it doesn't "spin" [18:59] grc.com [19:00] oh... "spinrite" [19:00] tomreyn alright then [19:00] ssd's have trim plus they automatically keep bad sectors away AFAIK. Your drive may be failing [19:01] shvm: yep, i'm just trying to figure out if its beyond redemption yet is all [19:02] kd4wov-2: we don't usually recommend windows utilities here, especially when there are better euqivalents on ubuntu (gddrescue) [19:02] !smart | rocky [19:02] rocky: smart is Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology, a monitoring system for hard drives. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools [19:03] ohhh sweet, that should help, thanks! [19:03] i also am in the process of running "badblocks" on it, but i'm not sure marks the blocks as bad or merely identifies the bad blocks [19:03] man page doesn't seem clear on that point [19:04]