[18:27] <sdhd-sascha> hello, are the any repos for  "ubuntu-18.04.3-preinstalled-server" for raspberry pi ?
[18:27] <sdhd-sascha> there ?
[19:41] <RoyK> sdhd-sascha: try #raspberrypi
[19:49] <sdhd-sascha> RoyK: well, i found this blog post from ubuntu. With 19.10 there should be a offical ubuntu support for raspberry pi 4. Now i wonder where the source for this project is ?  ... https://ubuntu.com/blog/roadmap-for-official-support-for-the-raspberry-pi-4
[19:53] <RoyK> sdhd-sascha: I'd use 19.10 https://ubuntu.com/download/iot/raspberry-pi
[19:55] <sdhd-sascha> RoyK: thank you. I will have a look. I hope this image is able to boot over network. Currently i have booted Debian-Buster over network with pi4
[19:55] <RoyK> sdhd-sascha: probably better to flash an sd card
[20:00] <sdhd-sascha> RoyK: oh, i already tried this image ... well, then i need to compile u-boot and/or the kernel myself. I also asked at @raspberrypi for the offical source repo... thank you
[20:09] <RoyK> sdhd-sascha: it's in the sources repos
[20:10] <sdhd-sascha> RoyK: awkward ;-) you are right ;-D
[20:23] <RoyK> sdhd-sascha: good luck :)
[21:39] <lopta> Does the installer help if I want to install onto a mirrored pair of SATA disks?
[21:39] <lopta> (md, not ZFS)
[21:41] <tomreyn> should. if you want it more customized, use the alternative installer. if you want it even more customized, use debootstrap.
[21:41] <tomreyn> i'm referring to ubuntu server 18.04.3+
[21:43]  * lopta checks his iso directory
[21:43] <lopta> Is 19.10 out yet?
[21:43] <tomreyn> which year and month is it?
[21:43] <lopta> November 2019
[21:44] <tomreyn> so the year 2019, month 11, hmm
[21:44]  * lopta interprets that as a "yes"
[21:44] <tomreyn> well done!
[21:47] <lopta> Sounds as though you chaps stick fairly rigidly to your release schedule.
[21:49] <lopta> Do I need a text installer to install onto a mirror or is the server installer always text?
[21:50] <tomreyn> lopta: it's always text. and it can create the mirror for you (in fact i think it will want to)
[21:51] <lopta> Thanks, that sounds great.
[21:53] <RoyK> lopta: the "alternate" installer should do fine here - that's the old one. the new one sucks outright
[21:53] <lopta> RoyK: That's handy to know!
[21:54] <RoyK> no idea why they made it - it's flashy, looks good, blablabla, but it stops there
[21:55] <lopta> Is that on a separate .iso?
[21:55] <RoyK> lopta: if I were you, I'd use LVM on top of md as well, but then, people sometimes disagree there
[21:55] <lopta> Ah, found it.
[21:56] <RoyK> goodie
[21:57] <mwhudson> RoyK: do you have specific complaints about the new installer?
[21:58] <RoyK> I just realised it must be right about now it's 25 years since I installed Linux for the first time :D
[21:58] <lopta> I'm an old fart, if that helps.
[21:58] <lopta> ...first installed Linux for a friend from a stack of 5.25" 1200K floppies.
[21:59] <RoyK> mwhudson: I had when I first tried it, and when I tried the v1.1, and then I didn't care, since either I used the alternate installer or just debian
[21:59] <mwhudson> RoyK: ok, well it is hopefully better now
[21:59] <RoyK> mwhudson: I hope so
[21:59] <mwhudson> hmm 21 years since my first install i think
[21:59] <mwhudson> rh5
[22:00] <RoyK> lopta: are you sure?
[22:00] <lopta> RoyK: I'm sure they weren't 1.2M ;-)
[22:00] <RoyK> those 5.25 floppies went out of style in the eightees and the initial linux kernel came out in 1991
[22:01] <lopta> RoyK: I didn't say we were fashionable.
[22:01] <RoyK> mwhudson: so just old buggers hanging around here, then :D
[22:12] <lopta> I haven't done a lot with Linux in the years since that first install.
[22:12] <lopta> ...but I do have an Ubuntu Server box in the office running a utility thing
[22:13] <lopta> ...and I'm about to try it on an actual server.
[22:13] <RoyK> probably works
[22:13] <RoyK> what are the plans for the server? storage or application?
[22:14] <RoyK> or just "misc"? ;)
[22:14] <lopta> RoyK: Short term storage and just to familiarise myself with Ubuntu Server, if possible.
[22:14] <RoyK> ok
[22:15] <RoyK> one advice - if you want to install things like a web server, perhaps nextcloud, something else, do it in a VM if you have sufficient memory
[22:15] <lordcirth_> Or LXC container, they are lighter
[22:15] <RoyK> if something goes wrong in that vm, well, it's just a vm, not a big issue
[22:15]  * lopta nods
[22:15] <RoyK> lordcirth_: same thing, really - but I stick to kvm still
[22:16] <lopta> brb, plugging in a USB flash drive to write the image to.
[22:16] <RoyK> kernel stuff is hard or impossible in lxc
[22:16] <lordcirth_> Yeah, but nextcloud, etc don't need "kernel stuff"
[22:16] <lordcirth_> I do have ip_vs loaded by the host so that HAProxy works in LXC.
[22:18] <RoyK> lordcirth_: I know, perhaps I'm just lazy or that I like to sometimes have different distros or versions installed, and the isolation is still far better on kvm - but hell - both work
[22:18] <lordcirth_> Ubuntu 18.04 containers do run on 16.04 hosts, btw.
[22:19] <lordcirth_> Quite handy at $WORK
[22:21] <RoyK> whatever you fancy :)
[22:21]  * RoyK sticks to kvm
[22:31] <lopta> I suppose I should learn containers too, at some point.
[22:31] <lopta> Probably Ubuntu Server first though.
[22:32] <lopta> ...should be back tomorrow, hopefully.